Who is projected to take JSN? I would think his stock took a serious dive this year.He needs a good showing at the combine, otherwise he may go second round.
Harrison is a rare gem. You can teach a person how to play, but you can't teach size and speed. When Harrison shows out at the combine, I would expect his profile to skyrocket and be a first round lock, maybe even top 10.
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I feel like the argument you made for Harrison applies to JSN only in a slightly different way. While Harrison has the measurables and will likely test very well at the combine, he really doesn't have the film to back up where he will very likely get picked. Size and speed wise he's a home run, but he never took over a game 1 time, and highly drafted pass rushers normally have at least 1 game like that in their career where the film leaps off the page and justifies the draft pick.
With JSN, he has NOTHING BUT a reel of film that is insane catch after insane catch then a bunch of catches that would be routine when thrown to anyone else (except maybe Harrison Jr.) but he turns into monumental gains. JSN has soooooo much footage like that, but the injury is for sure a concern.
To me, both arguments for both players are the same... but... different...
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wow stant.. have you ever played football before? JSN was WR3 in 2021 and outperformed Wilson and Olave whom both are up for rookie of the year awards with over 1,000 yard seasons. That alone makes him a first round pick.
You can't teach a guy to play when you are already at this level... You either have it by now or you don't, that's a ridiculous take. You can however teach speed. I had a workout with the Toronto Argonauts back in 95 as a TE at 6-5 and 270. I ran a 4.97 40 and had never trained for the 40... I just got in a football stance and took off. A couple years later in 98 (when I actually had an agent and a facility to train in) I was trained by a sprinter/decathlon athlete that played in the NFL too. We trained so many different things that I had never even heard of and I got my 40 time down to 4.7 at 265.
Granted Harrison is a really good player with unbelievable athletic skills so he is going to go probably mid round 2 based on his body of work. With that being said if he runs a 4.4 at the combine he will most certainly get into the 1st round, but Al Davis died what 11-12 years ago so he's not getting a top 10 pick for running fast but he will be a 1st rounder.
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1. Stroud: Lock to be in the top ten, I might be as comfortable to say a lock within the top 5 and obviously a VERY strong chance to be a top 3 pick. CJ's ticket is punched
2. JSN: I mean c'mon, the tape is there, the talent can't be denied. Keep in mind, had JSN been healthy this year he would've been the reason that MHJr is the WR2 instead of the breakout player of the year. Only question for me is the hamstring injury... and that's kind of two fold, one it's just the nature of soft-tissue injuries in general... We've seen it before, a player can come on and become a star and never ever have any significant injury history, they "tweak" a hamstring one time and then all of a sudden they have chronic hamstring problems. The other part of that is no one really knows how bad the injury ever was at any point because of the nature of how coach Day handles that type of thing, so it could just be water under the bridge and he may never have another hamstring problem again. Still... JSN is a first round pick, I think for me personally the ? on the hamstring front pushes him in that 15-20 range, but it wouldn't shock me to see a GM look at his film and make him the #1 WR off the board inside the top 10.
3. PJJ: Love me some PJJ, love him solidly in the first round, really feel comfortable with him as one of the first 3 OL off the board, likely in that post 15/pre 31 spot, likely somewhere in the 20's I think. His versatility is going to make him too good to pass up after pick 20.
4. Harrison: Personally I do feel like production matters, but I'm also not a NFL scout... and I had no idea Sam Hubbard would be as good as he is, so if Harrison went to the NFL and produced at a high level it's not like it would be some massive paradigm shift, there's precedence for it. Personally I don't like him earlier than the 3rd round, but his measurables are outstanding and my guess is he'll put on a show at the combine and be a pretty safe bet to get taken in the 2nd round.
5. Dawand Jones: While he'll be a bit of a project in the NFL, you can't deny the size and athleticism of Dawand Jones. Lock for the second round for me, some GM/scouting department is going to see how huge he is and what he can do physically and fall in love with him. Again, another likely candidate to make a huge splash at the combine.
6. Luke Wypler: Just a solid ass football player, Wypler was rock solid at Ohio State, I took no issue with his play, I feel like I can't even recall a jacked up snap in his time in Columbus. Position hampers him a touch, I like Wypler solidly in the 3rd round.
7. Hickman: UDFA for me... Just never saw consistently high enough level play in every game to make him draftable, but I think as a UDFA he could make a roster. Safety is also VERY deep this year.
8. Cam Brown: UDFA at best for me.
9. Taron Vincent: Tough one here. While TV never quite hit his true potential at Ohio State and never did become that game destroying DT that he was projected to be, he did quietly put together some good film and showed the capacity to be a fairly solid rotational piece for a NFL DL. Also doesn't hurt that he has a NFL legacy with his dad. I think he gets looks at some point after the 5th round, feel pretty confident he'll get drafted late.
10. Tanner McCallister: Not sure if I'm off my rocker here but I like McCallister as early as the 4th round... Hell if it's a team with a loaded roster that can afford to take a flyer late in the 3rd, I don't hate it. I knew NOTHING about this kid before he showed up at Ohio State (I don't make a habit of watching much Big 12 football), but I was fairly sure that Jim Knowles bringing one of the guys that was featured in his previous top 5 defense couldn't be a bad thing. McCallister showed great ball skills, he's a sound tackler, I mean... I like his tools, like the skillset. I think a fourth round pick here is a steal for a safety you can put into the rotation and develop slowly and maybe have a Jordan Fuller type of rise.
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1. Wypler had a stretch of bad snaps his first starting season, a couple mistakes, but I don’t recall one from this past season.
2. I agree with your comments on Hickman and Brown. I just don’t see them being drafted. Their tapes feature as many not so great plays as good plays IMO. Hickman is a safety the size of a small LB that is often seemingly afraid of contact (see MI game). That being said, certainly hopeful for both.
3. Dawand Jones - NFL scouts are gonna love him and I can see him flirting with round 1.
4. Harrison is the enigma of this OSU class and maybe the entire draft. He played well this year, popped many times during his OSU run, but just lacked consistency. Will NFL coaches fall in love and feel they can get that consistency enough to move him up draft boards?
From what I remember seeing Harrison was utilized a lot more to set edges and was a lot better against the run than his counterparts but maybe I’m just misremembering.
Harrison may not go early round one but his measurables still get him there. ttun had a DE with less stats than Harrison went in the first round.big mobile humans are coveted by gm’s. Plus they often draft measurables over stats.Harrison has the size to play in 4-3 or 3-4 in the NFL. 6 6 280 with a 4.5 is a slam dunk imo.
1. Stroud... top 5 pick and should be QB1 but they will go with bama guy and CJ will make them pay for it in the long run. I think he goes to Houston at #2
2. JSN.... His injury kept him from being a top 5 pick and has too many people questioning him going in the 1st round. I think the guys in Houston will get it right and take JSN at 12 to match in up with CJ kind of like Burrow and Chase with the bungles.
3. PJJ.... He is maybe the top OT in football and the Bears need a LT to protect Justin... I think that they trade down to carolina who needs a QB desperately enough to give them a ton for the top pick and then da Bears can take PJJ at #7. if not they can make a trade with Washington and get a starter and several picks for the #16 pick where they can most likely pick up PJJ.
4. Harrison... I think he is a mid 2nd round pick unless he runs a 44 at the combine and then hes a 1st rounder. Hell even if he runs a 4.5 he will probably get in 20-32. Didn't quite pan out like the mob wanted to but he was a solid player for us and I wam glad he is a Buckeye.
5. Jones... man this guy is going to be a beast and I hope its with the Browns. he needs to slim down to 330 and he will be able to move like a blind side tackle should. He will still be able to be a road grader and destroy players in the run game. I guess it all depends on how the OT's move in the first round. The draft is funny, you will get a run on players and they slide up from rd 2 because gms get scared they wont be there. I say round 2 to the Browns because we are going to get Payne in FA this offseason. We can trade wills to Miami so he can protect his left handed QB Tua Tagovailoa at RT like he should have been playing all along.
6. Wypler.. I think Luke goes in the early second round because he is as solid as they come and last year the ratbirds used a 1st rounder to take Linderbaum from Iowa and he led the OL like a champ. The center is the 2nd most important offensive player on the field next to the qb and Luke is a consistent cerebral player that will excel at C in the nfl.
7. Cam Brown... He had too many injuries to warrant talk of day one or two, but his athleticism and speed should get him drafted by round 5 or 6. if he puts up crazy combine numbers then he might sneak into round 4 possibly late 3.
8. Hickman has the skillset to make it in the league, but wasn't consistent enough to get drafted in the first 4 rounds. I think he goes in round 5 somewhere. He will fit someone's system and make us proud.
9. Vincent.... Man I kept waiting for him to explode off the screen and dominate and it only happened in little spurts. He is a solid guy that could have a 5+ year career, but he needs to really kick ass in the shrine bowl to enhance his draft status. I say late 5th round pick
10. McCallister... He is a coach on the field and older than most nfl rookies so he could be able to absord the playbook and learn the system a bit faster than normal. He's a great athlete and hsi coaches will vouch for him all Day Long! I think round six suits him and he becomes a starter in the first 6 weeks of the season
11. Ruggles.... damn it man the kick!!! the kick!!!! ok after getting that out of my system, I feel like his body of work deserves a draft pick. maybe not until the 7th round but he could slide in and get scooped up in the 6th.
12. Cage... if he balls out in the Shrine bowl I think he could be #12 in the Buckeye draft class of 23. Look to see him in the 7th round and maybe get the last pick and get to enjoy the Mr. Irrelevant festivities in Newport Beach for the week!!
UDFA's... Mitch Rossi, Bradley Robinson
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I think JSN is going to climb up the draft boards as we get further away from the season and people start thinking of him. I also think Harrison will climb after the combine. I could see us with 5 or 6 first round picks.
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Someone is going to take Dawand in the first. Can't teach his size and he has good athleticism.
Nike said he is the biggest jersey they had to make last year for college or NFL..
LOL. Dawand was PFF’s #1 graded pass blocker at any OLine position in ALL of college football this past season. He allowed ZERO sacks on 419 snaps. I hate to throw the “I” word around, but this “Dawand is a run blocker only” take is nonsense. If anything, his run blocking needs more work than his passblocking.
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I realized I’m biased as hell, but I just don’t see how people are going to look at the film and talk themselves into either Levis or Young being better than CJ. I saw a mock today that had CJ going at 10. I laughed.
Everybody wants to find "the new Josh Allen" (bigger quarterback who wasn't especially consistent in college), which explains the hype for Levis and to some extent for Anthony Richardson.
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Hope all these guys get drafted and go make Buckeye Nation proud
I still cant believe they let Zach Harrison play as much as he did over the younger studs we have. Not a difference maker in the slightest.
You clearly didn’t watch any games
OH...
Stats dont tell the whole story as to why he got the snaps he did.
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
Who is projected to take JSN? I would think his stock took a serious dive this year.He needs a good showing at the combine, otherwise he may go second round.
Harrison is a rare gem. You can teach a person how to play, but you can't teach size and speed. When Harrison shows out at the combine, I would expect his profile to skyrocket and be a first round lock, maybe even top 10.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
What?
I feel like the argument you made for Harrison applies to JSN only in a slightly different way. While Harrison has the measurables and will likely test very well at the combine, he really doesn't have the film to back up where he will very likely get picked. Size and speed wise he's a home run, but he never took over a game 1 time, and highly drafted pass rushers normally have at least 1 game like that in their career where the film leaps off the page and justifies the draft pick.
With JSN, he has NOTHING BUT a reel of film that is insane catch after insane catch then a bunch of catches that would be routine when thrown to anyone else (except maybe Harrison Jr.) but he turns into monumental gains. JSN has soooooo much footage like that, but the injury is for sure a concern.
To me, both arguments for both players are the same... but... different...
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Rashan Gary. Certain teams will like Harrison for measureables only. JSN has way too much good film to pass on, in my opinion.
#walkaway
wow stant.. have you ever played football before? JSN was WR3 in 2021 and outperformed Wilson and Olave whom both are up for rookie of the year awards with over 1,000 yard seasons. That alone makes him a first round pick.
You can't teach a guy to play when you are already at this level... You either have it by now or you don't, that's a ridiculous take. You can however teach speed. I had a workout with the Toronto Argonauts back in 95 as a TE at 6-5 and 270. I ran a 4.97 40 and had never trained for the 40... I just got in a football stance and took off. A couple years later in 98 (when I actually had an agent and a facility to train in) I was trained by a sprinter/decathlon athlete that played in the NFL too. We trained so many different things that I had never even heard of and I got my 40 time down to 4.7 at 265.
Granted Harrison is a really good player with unbelievable athletic skills so he is going to go probably mid round 2 based on his body of work. With that being said if he runs a 4.4 at the combine he will most certainly get into the 1st round, but Al Davis died what 11-12 years ago so he's not getting a top 10 pick for running fast but he will be a 1st rounder.
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
So for me it breaks down like this:
1. Stroud: Lock to be in the top ten, I might be as comfortable to say a lock within the top 5 and obviously a VERY strong chance to be a top 3 pick. CJ's ticket is punched
2. JSN: I mean c'mon, the tape is there, the talent can't be denied. Keep in mind, had JSN been healthy this year he would've been the reason that MHJr is the WR2 instead of the breakout player of the year. Only question for me is the hamstring injury... and that's kind of two fold, one it's just the nature of soft-tissue injuries in general... We've seen it before, a player can come on and become a star and never ever have any significant injury history, they "tweak" a hamstring one time and then all of a sudden they have chronic hamstring problems. The other part of that is no one really knows how bad the injury ever was at any point because of the nature of how coach Day handles that type of thing, so it could just be water under the bridge and he may never have another hamstring problem again. Still... JSN is a first round pick, I think for me personally the ? on the hamstring front pushes him in that 15-20 range, but it wouldn't shock me to see a GM look at his film and make him the #1 WR off the board inside the top 10.
3. PJJ: Love me some PJJ, love him solidly in the first round, really feel comfortable with him as one of the first 3 OL off the board, likely in that post 15/pre 31 spot, likely somewhere in the 20's I think. His versatility is going to make him too good to pass up after pick 20.
4. Harrison: Personally I do feel like production matters, but I'm also not a NFL scout... and I had no idea Sam Hubbard would be as good as he is, so if Harrison went to the NFL and produced at a high level it's not like it would be some massive paradigm shift, there's precedence for it. Personally I don't like him earlier than the 3rd round, but his measurables are outstanding and my guess is he'll put on a show at the combine and be a pretty safe bet to get taken in the 2nd round.
5. Dawand Jones: While he'll be a bit of a project in the NFL, you can't deny the size and athleticism of Dawand Jones. Lock for the second round for me, some GM/scouting department is going to see how huge he is and what he can do physically and fall in love with him. Again, another likely candidate to make a huge splash at the combine.
6. Luke Wypler: Just a solid ass football player, Wypler was rock solid at Ohio State, I took no issue with his play, I feel like I can't even recall a jacked up snap in his time in Columbus. Position hampers him a touch, I like Wypler solidly in the 3rd round.
7. Hickman: UDFA for me... Just never saw consistently high enough level play in every game to make him draftable, but I think as a UDFA he could make a roster. Safety is also VERY deep this year.
8. Cam Brown: UDFA at best for me.
9. Taron Vincent: Tough one here. While TV never quite hit his true potential at Ohio State and never did become that game destroying DT that he was projected to be, he did quietly put together some good film and showed the capacity to be a fairly solid rotational piece for a NFL DL. Also doesn't hurt that he has a NFL legacy with his dad. I think he gets looks at some point after the 5th round, feel pretty confident he'll get drafted late.
10. Tanner McCallister: Not sure if I'm off my rocker here but I like McCallister as early as the 4th round... Hell if it's a team with a loaded roster that can afford to take a flyer late in the 3rd, I don't hate it. I knew NOTHING about this kid before he showed up at Ohio State (I don't make a habit of watching much Big 12 football), but I was fairly sure that Jim Knowles bringing one of the guys that was featured in his previous top 5 defense couldn't be a bad thing. McCallister showed great ball skills, he's a sound tackler, I mean... I like his tools, like the skillset. I think a fourth round pick here is a steal for a safety you can put into the rotation and develop slowly and maybe have a Jordan Fuller type of rise.
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I agree with most of your assessment, Eddie.
Couple comments:
1. Wypler had a stretch of bad snaps his first starting season, a couple mistakes, but I don’t recall one from this past season.
2. I agree with your comments on Hickman and Brown. I just don’t see them being drafted. Their tapes feature as many not so great plays as good plays IMO. Hickman is a safety the size of a small LB that is often seemingly afraid of contact (see MI game). That being said, certainly hopeful for both.
3. Dawand Jones - NFL scouts are gonna love him and I can see him flirting with round 1.
4. Harrison is the enigma of this OSU class and maybe the entire draft. He played well this year, popped many times during his OSU run, but just lacked consistency. Will NFL coaches fall in love and feel they can get that consistency enough to move him up draft boards?
Enigma is perfect for Harrison. Sacks on back-to-back plays to finish off Maryland. Only 1.5 sacks the rest of the season?
From what I remember seeing Harrison was utilized a lot more to set edges and was a lot better against the run than his counterparts but maybe I’m just misremembering.
Harrison may not go early round one but his measurables still get him there. ttun had a DE with less stats than Harrison went in the first round.big mobile humans are coveted by gm’s. Plus they often draft measurables over stats.Harrison has the size to play in 4-3 or 3-4 in the NFL. 6 6 280 with a 4.5 is a slam dunk imo.
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Hickman is a projected 3rd/4th rounder , lets stop this nonsense
Just one man's opinion. Personally? I do not see it, but that's just my take.
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looks good Eddie here's my take:
1. Stroud... top 5 pick and should be QB1 but they will go with bama guy and CJ will make them pay for it in the long run. I think he goes to Houston at #2
2. JSN.... His injury kept him from being a top 5 pick and has too many people questioning him going in the 1st round. I think the guys in Houston will get it right and take JSN at 12 to match in up with CJ kind of like Burrow and Chase with the bungles.
3. PJJ.... He is maybe the top OT in football and the Bears need a LT to protect Justin... I think that they trade down to carolina who needs a QB desperately enough to give them a ton for the top pick and then da Bears can take PJJ at #7. if not they can make a trade with Washington and get a starter and several picks for the #16 pick where they can most likely pick up PJJ.
4. Harrison... I think he is a mid 2nd round pick unless he runs a 44 at the combine and then hes a 1st rounder. Hell even if he runs a 4.5 he will probably get in 20-32. Didn't quite pan out like the mob wanted to but he was a solid player for us and I wam glad he is a Buckeye.
5. Jones... man this guy is going to be a beast and I hope its with the Browns. he needs to slim down to 330 and he will be able to move like a blind side tackle should. He will still be able to be a road grader and destroy players in the run game. I guess it all depends on how the OT's move in the first round. The draft is funny, you will get a run on players and they slide up from rd 2 because gms get scared they wont be there. I say round 2 to the Browns because we are going to get Payne in FA this offseason. We can trade wills to Miami so he can protect his left handed QB Tua Tagovailoa at RT like he should have been playing all along.
6. Wypler.. I think Luke goes in the early second round because he is as solid as they come and last year the ratbirds used a 1st rounder to take Linderbaum from Iowa and he led the OL like a champ. The center is the 2nd most important offensive player on the field next to the qb and Luke is a consistent cerebral player that will excel at C in the nfl.
7. Cam Brown... He had too many injuries to warrant talk of day one or two, but his athleticism and speed should get him drafted by round 5 or 6. if he puts up crazy combine numbers then he might sneak into round 4 possibly late 3.
8. Hickman has the skillset to make it in the league, but wasn't consistent enough to get drafted in the first 4 rounds. I think he goes in round 5 somewhere. He will fit someone's system and make us proud.
9. Vincent.... Man I kept waiting for him to explode off the screen and dominate and it only happened in little spurts. He is a solid guy that could have a 5+ year career, but he needs to really kick ass in the shrine bowl to enhance his draft status. I say late 5th round pick
10. McCallister... He is a coach on the field and older than most nfl rookies so he could be able to absord the playbook and learn the system a bit faster than normal. He's a great athlete and hsi coaches will vouch for him all Day Long! I think round six suits him and he becomes a starter in the first 6 weeks of the season
11. Ruggles.... damn it man the kick!!! the kick!!!! ok after getting that out of my system, I feel like his body of work deserves a draft pick. maybe not until the 7th round but he could slide in and get scooped up in the 6th.
12. Cage... if he balls out in the Shrine bowl I think he could be #12 in the Buckeye draft class of 23. Look to see him in the 7th round and maybe get the last pick and get to enjoy the Mr. Irrelevant festivities in Newport Beach for the week!!
UDFA's... Mitch Rossi, Bradley Robinson
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
I think JSN is going to climb up the draft boards as we get further away from the season and people start thinking of him. I also think Harrison will climb after the combine. I could see us with 5 or 6 first round picks.
"I'm not going to lie. We're anxious to be a part of a matchup like that. It's two states that love the game of football." -Jim Tressel
My Browns are in need of some D-linemen depth, and there's some Buckeyes that should be available in Rounds 2-3.
Someone is going to take Dawand in the first. Can't teach his size and he has good athleticism.
Nike said he is the biggest jersey they had to make last year for college or NFL..
He is unplayable in any scheme where tackles of have to move …. Love Dawand but he is exclusively a power running scheme player
LOL. Dawand was PFF’s #1 graded pass blocker at any OLine position in ALL of college football this past season. He allowed ZERO sacks on 419 snaps. I hate to throw the “I” word around, but this “Dawand is a run blocker only” take is nonsense. If anything, his run blocking needs more work than his passblocking.
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I realized I’m biased as hell, but I just don’t see how people are going to look at the film and talk themselves into either Levis or Young being better than CJ. I saw a mock today that had CJ going at 10. I laughed.
Everybody wants to find "the new Josh Allen" (bigger quarterback who wasn't especially consistent in college), which explains the hype for Levis and to some extent for Anthony Richardson.
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Ruggles is not an NFL kicker. He can’t kick off. NFL kickers kick it into the cheap seats. You don’t just create leg strength