Thanks, I appreciate you giving your perspective. 

I don’t mean this as an attack on you but can you see how this comment could be a slippery slope.

The idea that one should be able to dress, act or otherwise conduct themselves in any way they wish and have nothing but good consequences is silly.

would you say that about a pedestrian who was struck by a driver looking at their phone?

would you say that about a an overweight kid who gets bullied at school?

would you say it about a football player  who suffers a life threatening injury.

One could say all those results could be expected, but for whatever reason, those victims would rarely if ever be seen as bringing on the action.  Clearly I’m taking it beyond your context but if someone is lawfully doing something that isn’t harming anyone else, any negative comments should be saved solely for the actors behaving poorly.  Or at least that’s my opinion.  Hopefully no offense taken, I generally think your comments add well to the discussions here.

Should and will aren’t always the same.  These are young kids who have and are being held on a pedestal by an inordinate number of people, many of whom are setting their expectations at the moon.  Once they’ve been brushed aside by one party, you can understand why the may mot make the most logical choice when it pertains to that same party.

I can’t say I understand the distinctions in duties bw the Jack and a DE, but with that said, that sounds like a good idea due to the limited opportunities there will be for our younger lbs.

I won’t say it wasn’t his best but not by far, and there’s an argument Tom had a better year with him.

Year      School         Conf     Class    Pos    G    Cmp     Att    Pct    Yds    Y/A    AY/A     TD    Int    Rate
*2014   Ohio State   Big Ten   FR       QB    12    203      314   64.6 2834   9.0       9.8      34.   10  169.8

*2017 Ohio State     Big Ten   SR       QB    14    240      371   64.7 3053   8.2       9.0      35     9    160

And even if he’s not, which he will, he would still be on here telling us why he’s not.

First off, lighten up, Francis

Only of us has been using all caps, so may want to reconsider that one.
And please stop using “literally.”  I’ll be nice and not presume you’re of a really younger generation that seem to use it as a filler, but nonetheless, you’re not using it correctly.

The point of naming the source of the poll is it is the same source for the poll you initially cited in trying to prove a point.  And aside from the date range, uses the exact same scoring factors.   So you believe that scoring system means something for one measurement but not another?

And no, the 10 year stat doesn’t prove your point of us not getting the benefit of the doubt.  You correctly did the math and demonstrated we have a preseason ranking of 3.4.  Do you know what are final ranking average was over that same period of time?  I’ll give you a hint, it was higher on average that thought we were better than we turned out.
 

But I do agree, it’s a nice day and this is a futile exercise, and I’m now being childish by wanting the last word.  I will try to stay off for awhile, but no guarantee.  I just loathe the narrative your pushing b/c I hate how our fanbase is labeled as whiners, so it’s hard for me to brush off comments that promote it.

It’s not a yahoo poll, it’s from cfn, the same source as the poll Chase used and you cited.  And uses basically the same measurements.  
ranking system for finishing ap poll:  Take all the AP final rankings and use our simple scoring system – the AP national champion in each season gets 25 points, the No. 2 team 24, No. 3 23, and so on down to the bottom.

Ranking system for preseason poll: CFN devised a scoring system giving every AP-ranked preseason No. 1 team from 1950 to 2022 25 points, the No. 2 team 24, No. 3 23, and so on down to the bottom of the top 20 in the early years, and then it became the top 25 later on

You can write what you want about our rankings but overall, it’s not true.  This is from Ohiostatebuckeyes.com. Preseason ranking between the 2013-22 seasons, Ohio State has earned rankings of No. 2, 5, 1, 6, 2, 5, 5, 2, 4 and 2.  So half the time, we started off in the top 2.  But go ahead and call the lying statistics as well, might as well make up a cute name since you don’t have any facts to support.

We may just have different ideas of what benefit of the doubt means but to me, preseason ranking is a pretty good indicator.  That being how good they think you’ll be before they ever see you play.  If I’m reading this right, according to this story we’re number 2 since 1950 in preseason rankings, so while many like to play the part of always being disrespected, this metric clearly says otherwise.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/ap-poll-time-preseason-top-063114855.html

I like to picture my Jesus on a horse, with a lance.

Not sure they should get the benefit of the doubt given how the school and da handled the Mazi Smith matter.

He played well in some big games too (uga, Utah, and the ‘21 ttun I would argue as well.)  The fact is, all qbs have some issues.  To compare him to perfection is just silly as well as disingenuous unless you’re going to compare all to this mythological flawless qb.

This guy thinks Trent Dilfer is one of the greats. 

This comment is not part of an analogy. 
 

I learned something new today.  There actually are people who like Spider-Man 3.   I never heard that before. 

Not all, there were enough to create 2+ threads on the matter with a fair number saying it was 50/50.  People can talk themselves into believing anything.

I agree with you, but how much complaining was there the year before about too much rotating?  I know there is the proverbial happy middle ground, but finding that may be harder than it seems.

I get especially worried with the lbs since not only is their a lack of rotation, you’ve only got 2 spots to fill instead of 3.

In support of your first point, from the article on Zen the other day:

“The games are easier. The games are a lot easier,” Michalski said. “When I get in the game, it could be it's the fourth quarter or whatever it is, Toledo third quarter and the guys that we're playing against are a little more, a little less morale to play. But I think it's definitely a big difference blocking our guys in good-on-good.”

Everyone is free to think and guess what they  like but if all this continued talking it up as a more and more likely possibility brings back the vitriol comments about he doesn’t care or has no guts or whatever other tired narratives can be thought of, it will be your own doing and ultimately a statement about your own character.

I stand corrected, and am honestly glad to hear so.

I think I’ve read. Both on here.  They have made clear they won’t do upfront, but there have also been comments that the collectives don’t have nearly the funds of other schools.

Time will tell but I don’t think this sentiment is correct.  One, I think the big funders of these have wealth that myself, possibly you, and most of the population don’t get a full grasp of.  The type of people who spend 6 figures on a party or a night playing poker, the way John Q throws a kegger .  So I don’t think ‘losing’ that much on a recruit that doesnt pan out  gives them a second thought.  And secondly, they’re the same types as us who are, possibly clinically,addicted to their college team.  So it’s fun for them, it makes them feel more a part of the team, and I suppose in some ways that’s true.  I think if anything, it could have the opposite effect.  It could make them spend more.  We shall see but I just don’t see it that way.

Since stating clearly demonstrates your prescient abilities, any hints on the winning numbers for tonight?

Doesn’t seem any different than the whining we do.

66, since you recall last year, you’ll also recall that focusing on the top 3 did not pan out.  So while you call working on more recruits lazy, many believe it is adapting from a strategy that did not leave us in the best position.

Does headbutting count as blocking?
 

(Fwiw, Gee is one of my favorites on the team and this an attempt at light humor, not a knock)