Agreed. Damn never should called a TO under 10sec it just sets up the D. I just don't understand Holtmann thinking. Then you come out of a TO with that crap. Good effort sad management at the end. SMH
Getting used to losing to good teams close. Glad my expectations have been reduced. A lot easier watching games when I don't think the Bucks will win, especially after being up big during the game.
Tough to be a Buckeye right now. 2 losses to the #1 team in the country in 6 days, both featuring key player injuries, bad officiating and late game bed shitting for our boys. Was hoping to ease the pain tonight…. Alcohol, anyone?
Their coach put both of them in that situation out of timeouts. Like you know you're going to get pressed and trapped. Why intentionally (which they did) have Sueing go to the corner and get trapped?And then if you're trapped, you have a timeout to save your team. Use it. That last part is more on Sueing. The pressure was not so immense he needed to just blindly throw a pass without using his pivot, and calling TO if needed.
And then final play, was maybe the worst drawn up play ever by Holtmann. So Thornton is just running the play his coach told him to do, which is force it back to Sensabaugh.
When instead Thornton had 2 steps on his man, and could have just blown by Edey and get a layup or get fouled.
Why do our opponents make late game offense look so easy, and we make it look so hard?
I mean even McNeils 3 was a busted play, where the initial action to get it to Sueing didn't work.
I wish I could be as bad as Holtmann is at his job & still make millions , dude is a fraud of a Head coach & its sad OSU fans have to put up with this bs
Yeah not sure what he was thinking. They always go to cover the guy that threw it in as he’s the easiest outlet. He should have known that would be taken away. He needed to try to dribble out of it and if worst comes to worst then call the timeout you have.
I could be wrong but I think Diebler draws up the out of a timeout play. Whoever did it down the stretch it was not good. I am a big fan of the Coach and staff but that was not good. Also, double teaming Edey did not with the whole game as Purdue knocked down their open 3’s. Should have played Edey straight up and if he made tough baby hooks over Okpara, then so be it. Offensive boards for Purdue and leaving shooters wide open to bang home 3’s sank us. Too bad! Okpara played a lot of minutes and gained some great experience! The team overall played well but not well enough. Go Bucks!!
That last inounds play sums up Holtmann in succinct visualization...when he's gone, I will start caring about OSU basketball...he is the Baker Mayfield of coaching...serviceable but will never win....too bad...nice guy
Holtman is a pitiful in game coach; what a shit play after a timeout.
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
I try to avoid being a Holtmann basher, and I still don't think he should be fired or something silly, but I have said again and again he is a terrible last minute coach, and that fact remains. He constantly puts the team in terrible situations, and draws up plays that have no chance of working. While the opponent gets wide open shots.
Holtmann isn't going to lead this team anywhere if he can't even coach up the basics of basketball..full court press is middle school shit..it's pretty alarming when you're coaching D1 CBB and your teams looks likes a 7 year old rec team against the press..to end the game the way they did with once again another hilariously bad drawn up play is just another reoccurring theme on this team and coaching staff...what a waste of an amazing effort from the players.
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
To be fair it's a lot easier to call a game with a 7'4" giant in the post, especially when the other teams only big man that has true experience goes down almost immediately.
I noticed something else too...when he grabbed that rebound off the free throw attempt he had sensabaugh standing right there for an open three, and he just stood there with the ball and was waving him away...that was weird
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
Sure looked like Holtman wanted them to shoot the three ball; they weren’t looking down low
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
How can you logically justify that from a statistical perspective? The two from Edey has such a higher probability of working relative to the kick out 3.
They were wide open because we doubled Edey. We can’t play Edey straight up With Okpara. He’s 7’4, close to 300 lbs. Okpara is 200 lbs soaking wet. So we either double to prevent high probability 2’s from Edey that will run us out of the building, or trap and hope we can contest 3s that have a lower probability of beating us. There’s no win-win here. It’s pick your poison, and the plan seemed to be to limit the human giant and hope they don’t hit 7 threes
That final play, Thornton has to take that ball to the basket. I don't care if King Kong Edey picks him up down there, but Thornton has to go downhill. Give a hesitation dribble, act like you're going to pull it back out, but go downhill. That ball, in the hands of the point guard, has to go to the basket.
That final play, Thornton has to take that ball to the basket. I don't care if King Kong Edey picks him up down there,
This! You gotta find a way to drive to the basket and the two guys standing around on the perimeter in the same spot should have been driving to the hoop with him. Awful way to close that game out.
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Exactly. It really could have been that simple of a basketball play. Pick n roll out of the timeout and have Thornton attack and make a read. We had a great ball screen and had them spread out. It was all we needed.
But I am convinced based on the way Thornton robotically doubled back (when he had a wide open lane) and forced it to Sensabaugh, that was the play as designed and he was just doing what was drawn up. Just seems unlikely if Thornton was given the freedom to come off the screen and take what the defense gives him, that he would have made that choice right there.
He just did what his coach wanted him to do. Which, sure, maybe sometimes you gotta make a read and just do your own thing. But 100%, that was the play drawn up. Brice sets the screen, and Bruce throws back to him. Just stupid.
Purdue's offense is so simple. 4 out, 1 in. A lot of open shots by spacing the floor. So simple, but so effective. Doesn't even require elite athleticism. Just movement and ball reversal.
We literally look like a high school team trying to break a press this season. I don’t think Purdue has pressed anybody all season - the scouting report is out. They have to get this fixed because teams are going to continue to press them.
All you Holtman haters out there need to know it wasn’t Holtman that turned the ball over at the end, instead he gave the ball to his most experienced player and he made a bad pass. you guys need to ease off the ledge and support the TEAM
I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.
Dude. This guy is a troll..he shows up at the end of every game and posts some stupid assisne comment 95% of the time..do you know me?? I'm sorry I don't think so...don't presume and tell me what to with my life. Cool? I can comment back on anything I want to. Get a grip on life? I'm upset after watching my team lose in a pathetic way..again..are you perfect?
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
It's Holtmann's responsibility to teach about breaking the press. Players made the same mistakes over and over again. It's on the coach and the coaching staff.
Why do we always try to break a press with only 2 players? And why do we never get the ball to the middle with a diagonal pass?
Go back and watch the time when we last pressed Purdue in the backcourt and they broke the press easily with 4 players, with good spacing and passing the ball. Good adjustment on their part. Instead we are trying a bounce pass in tight quarters with the passer trapped in the corner. Makes no sense.
Ding ding we have a winner. That was out of a timeout too. So you know Holtmann had the team around him, and a whiteboard, and said OK here comes the press "let's do this..." And the this was apparently have just Sueing and someone else on the other side, make no screens or cuts and just have Sueing fend his man off to receive a pass in the coffin corner. The one place you don't want to inbound the ball against a press. And if you do, then there has to be a specific reason and action available to get out of it. Throwing it back to the inbounder is going to get stolen 9 times out of 10, which we all learned in 7th grade basketball.
So the ultimate mistake is for Sueing to own too. Such a lazy and really unforced pass. He had the ball for hardly 2 seconds, never even tried to pivot or dribble free, and they weren't really trying to steal the ball from him. But Holtmann drew the play up that said, yeah, let's drop it in the corner and then hope they foul us, apparently.
I was wondering where the Holtmann apologists were. Like how are you OK with a team that regularly blows double digit leads? How are you OK with a team that is terrible at closing out the half and end of the game? How are you OK with a team that crumbles to tight defense and full court presses? These aren’t new issues. Why do these issues still exist and why has there been no improvement? I guess insert “This is fine” fire meme…
It's college basketball. It's a game of runs. So blowing double digit leads is fairly meaningless. A better number would be losing a 20 pt lead, if we are talking about truly blowing it. But I am 100% not OK with the end of the halves issue. Which I put 80-90% on Holtmann and 10-20% on player execution. He is a terrible late half / late game coach. There is a ton of data to back that up.
I think most apologists have hopped off post-game loss threads. There’s so much vitriol without any sort of logic after a loss. I swear some people must’ve tuned in for the last 3 mins. #1 team in the country comes in with their 7’4 big man and we go up 12 by playing him with our VETERAN junior center. Veteran junior center goes down and we still hang with 7’4 big man even though we put a freshmen (who has played less than 20 mins per game) in to guard him for 35 mins. 7’4 Edey basically runs a dump and dish offense and Purdue gets hot from 3. Regardless if logic would say that we should be down by 18 at this point after losing our starting center and leader, we manage to take a last minute lead only to have our 5th year senior make a terrible pass on a press. Oh and that last play, it’s been run 3 times now. 1st against Rutgers and Bryce pressed and was blocked. 2nd against UNC and we took the lead, because Bryce learned and took a jumper and 3rd tonight and BT didn’t run through the handoff. When the games on the line, it’s in the stud freshmen’s hands. Players gotta execute. I swear, if half this thread would stop frusterposting after every loss and watch a win once in awhile they would see how bright the future is with this group. But just can’t see the forest through the trees. Holtmann blows a lead = worst coach ever. Holtmann plays #1 team close without pivotal starter = worst coach ever. Holtmann wins = 10 comments and a “good game.” Well played everyone.
A lot of truth in there, but the end of game situations are winning time. Usually out of timeouts, where the coach has just had the team around him to give instructions. These situations routinely go poorly for the Buckeyes under Holtmann. So that's really the bigger problem.
And OSU was the slight favorite tonight, so I don't really think we should have a bunch of fear of Purdue coming in here as the big bad #1 team.
Was he any better at the end of games when he had NBA players: KBD, Jae'Sean Tate, EJ Liddell, Duane Washington? No? Did we ever get to a Sweet 16 with any of these guys ? No? Did we ever win a Big Ten title? Was his best year with Thad's guys?
The insanity of these Buckeye "fans" after a close loss.. keep in-mind this was to a very good Purdue team, in expecting perfection, is just draining.
These idiots live too vicariously through the lens of OSU sports, and probably are failures in life. Otherwise, I have no explanation how people can be so angry with a coach who has had a good tenure, and definitely coached a good game, tonight. Either the players execute, or learn from it.
This is the best group of players that Holtmann can call his own, and they are waaaay ahead of schedule given their youth,
But the FACT is that holt has never won ANYTHING! No conference titles, no conference tournaments! Zero zilch nadda! It’s not ONE lose. It’s the same BS issues EVERY YEAR! I don’t get how people act like it’s ONE LOSE! It’s an accumulation of 6 YEARS!!!!!! The ONLY thing that has gotten better is his recruiting. Thus why he got his extension. Unfortunately it won’t help him much IF he continues his 1-6 year trend. I really hope I’m wrong
We just played a top 5 team to a one possession game without Key for the entire game. Understand nobody likes losing when you have two TOs in 40 seconds but how is that not getting better performance? This team already is easily better than the last 2 or 3.
The “fans” who hate Holtmann are always going to pile on after a game like this. I love Holtmann but I also think that valid criticism is fine. I may criticize Coach if I think it is warranted but I will never tear him down or hate on him. I don’t think that that is positive. The team played hard tonight without Zed and that definitely hurt. There were some freshman mistakes that we all knew would happen at some point. I’m a fan of Justice but damn he is prone to being lazy with the ball and he sure as hell made a lazy ass pass to end the game. I do not see this team winning the BIG but I think they can be in the conversation. This team will be dancing at the end of the year. This program will continue to recruit big time talent. The Purdue loss sucked but big picture, this team and program is just fine! Let’s Go Bucks!!
Typical BS ending under Holtmann. I just can't get excited about Ohio State basketball as long as he's here. This crap just keeps happening. Ohio State absolutely had to have this game to win the Big Ten, and it pissed it away late. I mean, the last 3 total possessions could not have gone any worse. So another year without a Big Ten title. Ohio State is not a moral victory program.
OSU played fairly well most of the game but didn't take care of the ball at the end. Key going down is tough,Okpara is ok defensively but he is too thin and very limited on offense.
It's hard when you starting center is out with a sprained shoulder. The coach was forced to play Okpara. He did a decent job on Edey. The continuing problem are the OSU guards being unable to handle the press. This game should have been won. It's another inexcusable loss just like UNC.
I wish the media would ask Holtmann why he had Thornton on the bench for like 10 minutes straight in the 2nd half. He didnt get back into the game until 2 minutes left. He is the leader and ball handler and should have been the one receiving the inbounds pass at the end.
A lot of good points made here. On a positive note I love Okpara. Solid on both sides of the ball. Seems to always be in the right place. Only gonna get better too. Deserves more minutes IMO.
Agree. He did a decent job on Edey, far better than Key would have. And he didnt look like the moment was too big for him. They need his height and size when they get into games with big inside guys.
Remember that article a few weeks ago about the Buckeyes (Holtmann) snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? This was a classic example. Do they NOT practice how to handle the trap/press? WTF am I watching here?
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Holtmann has to be the worst defensive adjuster in Ohio State coaching history. Purdue made 13 3’s. And majority of those makes was bc he kept doubling Edney. And Edney just kept passing it out to an open 3 point shooter. They ran that play over and over again. Even the last play they ran was that pass out back to an open 3point shooter. It’s highway robbery that he gets paid so much and this is the result. He got beat by them running the same offensive play. Play Edney straight up. We can account for 2’s, we have plenty of firepower. But to allow them to repeatedly shoot open 3’s. Is inexcusable you get paid too much to get beat by one play over and over again. This is not Gardner Webb. This awe shucks we gave it the old college try press conference afterwards is not for us in Columbus. We deserve better. Do better Holtmann.
We'll be a real dangerous 7 or 8 seed at this point. I say that with a straight face. The metrics will say we are way better than our record in the end, because we've coughed up 2 huge resume wins by choking them away in the final seconds. And there's no reason to think we won't do that a few more times before the year is out.
Players played well, played tough until the final minute of each half. Coaches need to up their game. There is so much talent and heart on this team, but do not put the ball in Sueing's hands in the last minute of each half. The other 38 minutes he is fine and a good scorer and rebounder. After 5 years this is what it is.
How do you throw the ball away without making them foul you. Terrible. It was like a 4th grade cyo player breaking the press. Make a play for god sakes.
To me that speaks to effort. On the inbounds Sueing and (not sure who the other player was) throws the ball and the other Buckeye has to be closer in that case to take the pass. The third defender for Purdue comes over to steal the pass. The Buck player was sooo late to reacting to the pass. Just boneheaded on that play.
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I loved the effort tonight. Brice is a monster, Felix stepped up and did well, and McNeil took advantage when he got a look, especially at the end. Sueing was pretty good, too, but I wish he would have used that timeout there when he was trapped in the corner. This team continues to look absolutely baffled by the concept of breaking a full-court press, a problem I will lay at the feet of the coaching staff.
And credit to Purdue. They were a bit sloppy with the basketball, but their outside shooting brought them back when they were in trouble and won them the game. Also: props to my young seat neighbor, a Purdue fan who has himself a well-proportioned girlfriend. Good job, dude.
I like our team overall. When I was looking at the schedule in October I thought we'd be lucky to keep Purdue within ten tonight. That we should have won the damn thing is a credit to our players. Just wish we could have that last 28 seconds back. Awful, awful finish tonight.
Too many of you are giving up on coach H too soon! If we get a good draw in the big dance and are healthy, and catch some breaks and so forth, we could win one game again and advance to the round of 32 before being bounced out. Don't give up hope!
Have you actually watched Holtmann coach close games for the past 4 years? Same story: choke against the full court press. Horrible plays designed out of timeouts. Poor player rotations.
WTF is the wrong with you? Are we talking about the same Holtmann…? Terrible hire, terrible fit , terrible cosch anyone who is ok with this is part of the problem!
If he didn't call the TO, and we played straight-up and lost on a contested shot, these moron fans would be up-in-arms, regardless.
It doesn't matter how well he coached, or how good the players showed for a game; if we don't win, they all suck. That's the mentality of these Buckeye-ultras. They are flat-out crazy.
I’d maybe sleep it off then and come back in March. Doubt the team makes a big run at a B1G championship, but they might make noise in the NCAA. These FRESHMEN are really good and only 1 should be leaving and we have a top 5 class next year. Future is bright. Enjoy the ride.
No, I would want Izzo to coach this team at least he wouldn't blow this many leads like Holtmann. Izzo has been to eight Final Fours so I know he is great with clock and game management unlike Holtmann. Izzo knows how to beat a press. Holtmann cannot even get to a Sweet 16. Painter should thank his lucky stars he has Holtmann coaching against him.
I dunno, this group seems like they’d be pretty mad if a northwestern team came in here and beat us. Probably a lot of words for how bad coach Izzo is.
You whiners are clueless. NONE of the whiners have mentioned THE biggest negative in this game. HOW in the hell did Ohio State only lose by ONE point when Purdue scored 21 more points on 3-Pointers than Ohio State did???
It was stupid to keep double teaming Edey. Giving that many wide open looks down the stretch was ridiculous. Even fouling Edey a couple times and making him shoot free throws would have been better.
On top of terrible coaching and execution down the stretch, we are awful under 4TO going into half every game under Holtmann, 5 years of the same shit, blowing leads, poor shots/sets, lapses on D and TOs. Just so frustrating seeing Holtmann waste a talented roster yet again.
Watching the replay of the last play, and Okpara sets a decent pick for Sensabaugh but still gets pushed backwards, and then for some reason Thornton dribbles towards Brice which brings Thornton's defender into Sensabaugh's space. Thornton needed to stay wide and just pass to Brice at the 3 pt line. Brice was going to get an open look at 3 if Thornton stays wide or he could dribble-drive on Edey.
Sueing and McNeill are hanging behind the 3 pt line, so I'm guessing Brice was going to curl and then take Edey one on one, which makes sense because Edey is slow as shit. There's nobody else in the lane and it would have worked if Thornton plays it right, but he sort of tripped and lost the handle on the ball right before the pass, which caused him to take a couple steps towards Brice to recover. And by that time, the guy that Okpara picked is also back in the scrum. Didn't like it when I watched it live, but I'm OK with the play design because it gets Brice one on one with a defender and going to the hoop and Edey, while really tall, can't move that well.
I coached middle school basketball, so I could at the very least draw up a press breaker since that is something most kids work on starting in 6th grade. And I would certainly be able to draw up a play to at least get a shot off wIth 10 seconds left.
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90% if you are Fckibg idiots!!! Go away. Nobody needs all the complaining and btching and moaning. Go root for another team!!!!!! This team played their asses off and came up short against the number one team in the country and you all won’t to just whine like a two year old!!
Predictable. Yeah, this team could be tough and plays well through most of the game against good opponents only to cough it up at the end. This is number 2 this year. Other years it’s been the same. Sure other teams suffer the same, once in a great while. But I’d like to know if it happens to any other program on a regular basis as it has under Holtmann at Ohio State.
Clean up the small mistakes. Holtmann's tactics leave so much to be desired. It's a miracle I still have a full head of hair. Sounds like our football coaching!
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Agreed. Damn never should called a TO under 10sec it just sets up the D. I just don't understand Holtmann thinking. Then you come out of a TO with that crap. Good effort sad management at the end. SMH
That’s a dumbass take. Don’t call a TO and don’t score and Sht hits the fan as to why a time out wasn’t called
Getting used to losing to good teams close. Glad my expectations have been reduced. A lot easier watching games when I don't think the Bucks will win, especially after being up big during the game.
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After looking at the Box Score I'm just in disbelief, except it was expected. That last play was what? Throw it 1 and Done and hope?
Watching football and basketball gift away games to #1s in the same week was rough
And both player execution and coaching game plan (out coaches) choking the last 30 seconds of both games.
Tough to be a Buckeye right now. 2 losses to the #1 team in the country in 6 days, both featuring key player injuries, bad officiating and late game bed shitting for our boys. Was hoping to ease the pain tonight…. Alcohol, anyone?
Had them then holtman choked it away again with his terrible in bounds call. It's definitely January expect many more letdown this month
Too soon for this feeling again
Sueing with the massive L
Massive T
Two horrible decisions down the stretch by two typically reliable ball handlers in Sueing and Thornton
Their coach put both of them in that situation out of timeouts. Like you know you're going to get pressed and trapped. Why intentionally (which they did) have Sueing go to the corner and get trapped?And then if you're trapped, you have a timeout to save your team. Use it. That last part is more on Sueing. The pressure was not so immense he needed to just blindly throw a pass without using his pivot, and calling TO if needed.
And then final play, was maybe the worst drawn up play ever by Holtmann. So Thornton is just running the play his coach told him to do, which is force it back to Sensabaugh.
When instead Thornton had 2 steps on his man, and could have just blown by Edey and get a layup or get fouled.
Why do our opponents make late game offense look so easy, and we make it look so hard?
I mean even McNeils 3 was a busted play, where the initial action to get it to Sueing didn't work.
Sueing makes some bone headed turnovers at the worst times.
I wish I could be as bad as Holtmann is at his job & still make millions , dude is a fraud of a Head coach & its sad OSU fans have to put up with this bs
Well, at least you're as bad...
Move along
Says a know nothing nobody
Ohio State has to be cursed, right? DAMN IT!
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
What a bullshit turnover by Sueing at the end! 6 year senior and he’s that careless with the ball in that situation. The one thing you couldn’t do!
Yeah not sure what he was thinking. They always go to cover the guy that threw it in as he’s the easiest outlet. He should have known that would be taken away. He needed to try to dribble out of it and if worst comes to worst then call the timeout you have.
Exactly, Raiderred! That turnover was absolutely inexcusable.
Win, Lose, or Tie...I'm a Buckeye until I die!
Can always count on Holtmann to absolutely choke away a lead late.
So frustrating because this team can be so good and has the potential to be great.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Choked against North Carolina and now Purdue. His staff needs to learn the Heimlich maneuver and be ready. /s
Not sure there a worse out of timeout coach than Chris Holtmann... he will continue to cost ohio state multiple games a year with his shitty coaching
I could be wrong but I think Diebler draws up the out of a timeout play. Whoever did it down the stretch it was not good. I am a big fan of the Coach and staff but that was not good. Also, double teaming Edey did not with the whole game as Purdue knocked down their open 3’s. Should have played Edey straight up and if he made tough baby hooks over Okpara, then so be it. Offensive boards for Purdue and leaving shooters wide open to bang home 3’s sank us. Too bad! Okpara played a lot of minutes and gained some great experience! The team overall played well but not well enough. Go Bucks!!
Who else feels like they’ve seen this movie before…
Feels like it’s been on a loop for about 5 years…
That last inounds play sums up Holtmann in succinct visualization...when he's gone, I will start caring about OSU basketball...he is the Baker Mayfield of coaching...serviceable but will never win....too bad...nice guy
Kevgobucks
Tired of seeing them give games away because they can’t handle a damn press.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
It’s ridiculous to watch, honestly. Breaking the press should be textbook at this level
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Don't watch
Holtmann is one of the worst in game coaches I have ever seen.
Second double digit blown lead against a #1 team in the last week.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Holtman is a pitiful in game coach; what a shit play after a timeout.
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
I try to avoid being a Holtmann basher, and I still don't think he should be fired or something silly, but I have said again and again he is a terrible last minute coach, and that fact remains. He constantly puts the team in terrible situations, and draws up plays that have no chance of working. While the opponent gets wide open shots.
I agree with all of that except where you mentioned he draws up plays. Not sure anything he draws up out of any timeout could be considered a play.
Another choke job at the end, a stable of the Holtmann era.
Holtmann isn't going to lead this team anywhere if he can't even coach up the basics of basketball..full court press is middle school shit..it's pretty alarming when you're coaching D1 CBB and your teams looks likes a 7 year old rec team against the press..to end the game the way they did with once again another hilariously bad drawn up play is just another reoccurring theme on this team and coaching staff...what a waste of an amazing effort from the players.
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
New name for him, Heimlich Holtmann.
Matt Painter on the other hand…
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Purdue’s offense was a beautiful thing to watch. The double screens for wide open shots. Nice coaching!! Too bad it was against us.
To be fair it's a lot easier to call a game with a 7'4" giant in the post, especially when the other teams only big man that has true experience goes down almost immediately.
Absotively!
Sueing wanted nothing to with taking that foul and shooting the free throws. He was 5 feet from me and you could see the panic in his eyes
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
I noticed something else too...when he grabbed that rebound off the free throw attempt he had sensabaugh standing right there for an open three, and he just stood there with the ball and was waving him away...that was weird
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
Sure looked like Holtman wanted them to shoot the three ball; they weren’t looking down low
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Who else is getting tired of sports lately? Been a rough week.
Win, Lose, or Tie...I'm a Buckeye until I die!
How many times is Purdue going to hit a 3 to beat us. Damn.
MrBuck24
As long as holtmann is coaching here?
Bed officially shit.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
They never did guard the 3. Let Edey have his. Doubling off him was just not smart
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
How can you logically justify that from a statistical perspective? The two from Edey has such a higher probability of working relative to the kick out 3.
I thought Ice should have doubled Edey when he made that hook after the McNeill 3, but he just left Okpara there one v one.
The threes from Purdue got them back in the game and in the end were the reason they won on the offensive end. And those threes were wide open.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
They were wide open because we doubled Edey. We can’t play Edey straight up With Okpara. He’s 7’4, close to 300 lbs. Okpara is 200 lbs soaking wet. So we either double to prevent high probability 2’s from Edey that will run us out of the building, or trap and hope we can contest 3s that have a lower probability of beating us. There’s no win-win here. It’s pick your poison, and the plan seemed to be to limit the human giant and hope they don’t hit 7 threes
That final play, Thornton has to take that ball to the basket. I don't care if King Kong Edey picks him up down there, but Thornton has to go downhill. Give a hesitation dribble, act like you're going to pull it back out, but go downhill. That ball, in the hands of the point guard, has to go to the basket.
This! You gotta find a way to drive to the basket and the two guys standing around on the perimeter in the same spot should have been driving to the hoop with him. Awful way to close that game out.
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Edey comes at him., Okpara with the flush
Ronny P Buckeye
Thank you! This guy gets it
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Exactly. It really could have been that simple of a basketball play. Pick n roll out of the timeout and have Thornton attack and make a read. We had a great ball screen and had them spread out. It was all we needed.
But I am convinced based on the way Thornton robotically doubled back (when he had a wide open lane) and forced it to Sensabaugh, that was the play as designed and he was just doing what was drawn up. Just seems unlikely if Thornton was given the freedom to come off the screen and take what the defense gives him, that he would have made that choice right there.
He just did what his coach wanted him to do. Which, sure, maybe sometimes you gotta make a read and just do your own thing. But 100%, that was the play drawn up. Brice sets the screen, and Bruce throws back to him. Just stupid.
I agree 6 seconds left they should have drove it to the basketball
HB
Gus ,you are jinxy.
Along with The.
Buck50
Sueing does bone head stuff or is just nonchalant at times
Watching live, Purdue’s offense flows beautifully and ours is just dudes hitting ridiculously tough shots.
Holtmann is such a bad in game coach it hurts
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Purdue's offense is so simple. 4 out, 1 in. A lot of open shots by spacing the floor. So simple, but so effective. Doesn't even require elite athleticism. Just movement and ball reversal.
Exactly. The four outside shooters Purdue has don’t exude any supreme athletic skills but they follow the offense to a tee.
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We literally look like a high school team trying to break a press this season. I don’t think Purdue has pressed anybody all season - the scouting report is out. They have to get this fixed because teams are going to continue to press them.
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
All you Holtman haters out there need to know it wasn’t Holtman that turned the ball over at the end, instead he gave the ball to his most experienced player and he made a bad pass. you guys need to ease off the ledge and support the TEAM
I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.
Well it is holtmann who should be teaching his team how to beat a trap and press.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
I’ve heard that comes in year 7 of his coaching plan
Says the resident coaching expert
Come now....you know logic doesn't work with the 11W geniuses.
Bro you show up for one comment at the end of every game..You're a phoney. Kick rocks with that small dick energy
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
Really dude, arguing with a fan, your like 70% of the messages on this, full of negativity, get a grip on life and SUPPORT the TEAM
I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.
Dude. This guy is a troll..he shows up at the end of every game and posts some stupid assisne comment 95% of the time..do you know me?? I'm sorry I don't think so...don't presume and tell me what to with my life. Cool? I can comment back on anything I want to. Get a grip on life? I'm upset after watching my team lose in a pathetic way..again..are you perfect?
"Its gonna be cold, its gonna be grey, and its going to last you the rest of your life!".
It's Holtmann's responsibility to teach about breaking the press. Players made the same mistakes over and over again. It's on the coach and the coaching staff.
BuckeyeYankee
Why do we always try to break a press with only 2 players? And why do we never get the ball to the middle with a diagonal pass?
Go back and watch the time when we last pressed Purdue in the backcourt and they broke the press easily with 4 players, with good spacing and passing the ball. Good adjustment on their part. Instead we are trying a bounce pass in tight quarters with the passer trapped in the corner. Makes no sense.
Ding ding we have a winner. That was out of a timeout too. So you know Holtmann had the team around him, and a whiteboard, and said OK here comes the press "let's do this..." And the this was apparently have just Sueing and someone else on the other side, make no screens or cuts and just have Sueing fend his man off to receive a pass in the coffin corner. The one place you don't want to inbound the ball against a press. And if you do, then there has to be a specific reason and action available to get out of it. Throwing it back to the inbounder is going to get stolen 9 times out of 10, which we all learned in 7th grade basketball.
So the ultimate mistake is for Sueing to own too. Such a lazy and really unforced pass. He had the ball for hardly 2 seconds, never even tried to pivot or dribble free, and they weren't really trying to steal the ball from him. But Holtmann drew the play up that said, yeah, let's drop it in the corner and then hope they foul us, apparently.
I was wondering where the Holtmann apologists were. Like how are you OK with a team that regularly blows double digit leads? How are you OK with a team that is terrible at closing out the half and end of the game? How are you OK with a team that crumbles to tight defense and full court presses? These aren’t new issues. Why do these issues still exist and why has there been no improvement? I guess insert “This is fine” fire meme…
It's college basketball. It's a game of runs. So blowing double digit leads is fairly meaningless. A better number would be losing a 20 pt lead, if we are talking about truly blowing it. But I am 100% not OK with the end of the halves issue. Which I put 80-90% on Holtmann and 10-20% on player execution. He is a terrible late half / late game coach. There is a ton of data to back that up.
I don’t think that the Holtmann haters like you very much.
I think most apologists have hopped off post-game loss threads. There’s so much vitriol without any sort of logic after a loss. I swear some people must’ve tuned in for the last 3 mins. #1 team in the country comes in with their 7’4 big man and we go up 12 by playing him with our VETERAN junior center. Veteran junior center goes down and we still hang with 7’4 big man even though we put a freshmen (who has played less than 20 mins per game) in to guard him for 35 mins. 7’4 Edey basically runs a dump and dish offense and Purdue gets hot from 3. Regardless if logic would say that we should be down by 18 at this point after losing our starting center and leader, we manage to take a last minute lead only to have our 5th year senior make a terrible pass on a press. Oh and that last play, it’s been run 3 times now. 1st against Rutgers and Bryce pressed and was blocked. 2nd against UNC and we took the lead, because Bryce learned and took a jumper and 3rd tonight and BT didn’t run through the handoff. When the games on the line, it’s in the stud freshmen’s hands. Players gotta execute. I swear, if half this thread would stop frusterposting after every loss and watch a win once in awhile they would see how bright the future is with this group. But just can’t see the forest through the trees. Holtmann blows a lead = worst coach ever. Holtmann plays #1 team close without pivotal starter = worst coach ever. Holtmann wins = 10 comments and a “good game.” Well played everyone.
A lot of truth in there, but the end of game situations are winning time. Usually out of timeouts, where the coach has just had the team around him to give instructions. These situations routinely go poorly for the Buckeyes under Holtmann. So that's really the bigger problem.
And OSU was the slight favorite tonight, so I don't really think we should have a bunch of fear of Purdue coming in here as the big bad #1 team.
I would argue recency bias. There have been times where it goes our way, but the emotive response isn’t as strong as when it doesn’t.
and I agree when we have the full roster, but you can’t not discount the game when Key is out for 3/4 of it.
Was he any better at the end of games when he had NBA players: KBD, Jae'Sean Tate, EJ Liddell, Duane Washington? No? Did we ever get to a Sweet 16 with any of these guys ? No? Did we ever win a Big Ten title? Was his best year with Thad's guys?
I'm with you, Costinjr.
The insanity of these Buckeye "fans" after a close loss.. keep in-mind this was to a very good Purdue team, in expecting perfection, is just draining.
These idiots live too vicariously through the lens of OSU sports, and probably are failures in life. Otherwise, I have no explanation how people can be so angry with a coach who has had a good tenure, and definitely coached a good game, tonight. Either the players execute, or learn from it.
This is the best group of players that Holtmann can call his own, and they are waaaay ahead of schedule given their youth,
But the FACT is that holt has never won ANYTHING! No conference titles, no conference tournaments! Zero zilch nadda! It’s not ONE lose. It’s the same BS issues EVERY YEAR! I don’t get how people act like it’s ONE LOSE! It’s an accumulation of 6 YEARS!!!!!! The ONLY thing that has gotten better is his recruiting. Thus why he got his extension. Unfortunately it won’t help him much IF he continues his 1-6 year trend. I really hope I’m wrong
I’m with ya but it’s “loss” not “lose”
It’s a shame that getting better at recruiting doesn’t have any correlation to future performance…
We just played a top 5 team to a one possession game without Key for the entire game. Understand nobody likes losing when you have two TOs in 40 seconds but how is that not getting better performance? This team already is easily better than the last 2 or 3.
The “fans” who hate Holtmann are always going to pile on after a game like this. I love Holtmann but I also think that valid criticism is fine. I may criticize Coach if I think it is warranted but I will never tear him down or hate on him. I don’t think that that is positive. The team played hard tonight without Zed and that definitely hurt. There were some freshman mistakes that we all knew would happen at some point. I’m a fan of Justice but damn he is prone to being lazy with the ball and he sure as hell made a lazy ass pass to end the game. I do not see this team winning the BIG but I think they can be in the conversation. This team will be dancing at the end of the year. This program will continue to recruit big time talent. The Purdue loss sucked but big picture, this team and program is just fine! Let’s Go Bucks!!
And that is how you finish 4th in the big ten
4th? It's been a hot minute since we finished 4th in the B1G. I'd be pretty happy with that.
I think my middle school team was better-drilled at breaking a fullcourt press than this OSU team is.
Appreciate the effort but the trap defense killed this team again on an inbound pass. This gets old. You’d think they’d learn by now
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Typical BS ending under Holtmann. I just can't get excited about Ohio State basketball as long as he's here. This crap just keeps happening. Ohio State absolutely had to have this game to win the Big Ten, and it pissed it away late. I mean, the last 3 total possessions could not have gone any worse. So another year without a Big Ten title. Ohio State is not a moral victory program.
Unfortunately a select few are more than happy with it………
Great game, horrible last ten seconds...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
More of the same. The gift that keeps on giving.
Terrible last possession, not really sure what they were trying to do. The turnover the 2nd to last possession can't happen, just poor spacing.
Okpara played pretty good but showed he's got a lot of growth to go and with Key injured he might be playing big minutes for a while.
JWilly3
Nobody finds a way better than Ohio State to lose games.
Gregory
But don't forget Ohio State is elite in offensive efficiency!
We were rooting for Justice when what we really needed was a Loyer.
Nicely done
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When their basketball careers end, they could open up the law firm of “Loyer & Sueing”. It would market itself!
OSU played fairly well most of the game but didn't take care of the ball at the end. Key going down is tough,Okpara is ok defensively but he is too thin and very limited on offense.
Raider85
It's hard when you starting center is out with a sprained shoulder. The coach was forced to play Okpara. He did a decent job on Edey. The continuing problem are the OSU guards being unable to handle the press. This game should have been won. It's another inexcusable loss just like UNC.
BuckeyeYankee
Not in a good way.....just saying.
I wish the media would ask Holtmann why he had Thornton on the bench for like 10 minutes straight in the 2nd half. He didnt get back into the game until 2 minutes left. He is the leader and ball handler and should have been the one receiving the inbounds pass at the end.
Benchwarmer
Chris Holtmann is fucking stupid and overpaid
A lot of good points made here. On a positive note I love Okpara. Solid on both sides of the ball. Seems to always be in the right place. Only gonna get better too. Deserves more minutes IMO.
Agree. He did a decent job on Edey, far better than Key would have. And he didnt look like the moment was too big for him. They need his height and size when they get into games with big inside guys.
Benchwarmer
Remember that article a few weeks ago about the Buckeyes (Holtmann) snatching defeat from the jaws of victory? This was a classic example. Do they NOT practice how to handle the trap/press? WTF am I watching here?
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Sueing totally blew it by panicking instead of worst case call the timeout
This is also true. How the hell did he fold like a bad poker hand? Mind boggling at times
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Holtmann will never get this program to a great level. Better players know he is clueless and a choker-here come the transfers.
Holtmann has to be the worst defensive adjuster in Ohio State coaching history. Purdue made 13 3’s. And majority of those makes was bc he kept doubling Edney. And Edney just kept passing it out to an open 3 point shooter. They ran that play over and over again. Even the last play they ran was that pass out back to an open 3point shooter. It’s highway robbery that he gets paid so much and this is the result. He got beat by them running the same offensive play. Play Edney straight up. We can account for 2’s, we have plenty of firepower. But to allow them to repeatedly shoot open 3’s. Is inexcusable you get paid too much to get beat by one play over and over again. This is not Gardner Webb. This awe shucks we gave it the old college try press conference afterwards is not for us in Columbus. We deserve better. Do better Holtmann.
R Holt
Boy this team looks good. Get off the ledge guys. More shit press handling but I like the ceiling this team has.
We'll be a real dangerous 7 or 8 seed at this point. I say that with a straight face. The metrics will say we are way better than our record in the end, because we've coughed up 2 huge resume wins by choking them away in the final seconds. And there's no reason to think we won't do that a few more times before the year is out.
I think we look like a 3 4 5 seed and have multiple scorers for the first time in a while, and will be a tough out in March. These freshmen are legit.
Best talent in 5 years. But bad coaching late in games is always in play. OSU is the type of team that chokes away a tournament game to a mid major.
Benchwarmer
Players played well, played tough until the final minute of each half. Coaches need to up their game. There is so much talent and heart on this team, but do not put the ball in Sueing's hands in the last minute of each half. The other 38 minutes he is fine and a good scorer and rebounder. After 5 years this is what it is.
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How do you throw the ball away without making them foul you. Terrible. It was like a 4th grade cyo player breaking the press. Make a play for god sakes.
JJ
To me that speaks to effort. On the inbounds Sueing and (not sure who the other player was) throws the ball and the other Buckeye has to be closer in that case to take the pass. The third defender for Purdue comes over to steal the pass. The Buck player was sooo late to reacting to the pass. Just boneheaded on that play.
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I loved the effort tonight. Brice is a monster, Felix stepped up and did well, and McNeil took advantage when he got a look, especially at the end. Sueing was pretty good, too, but I wish he would have used that timeout there when he was trapped in the corner. This team continues to look absolutely baffled by the concept of breaking a full-court press, a problem I will lay at the feet of the coaching staff.
And credit to Purdue. They were a bit sloppy with the basketball, but their outside shooting brought them back when they were in trouble and won them the game. Also: props to my young seat neighbor, a Purdue fan who has himself a well-proportioned girlfriend. Good job, dude.
I like our team overall. When I was looking at the schedule in October I thought we'd be lucky to keep Purdue within ten tonight. That we should have won the damn thing is a credit to our players. Just wish we could have that last 28 seconds back. Awful, awful finish tonight.
Too many of you are giving up on coach H too soon! If we get a good draw in the big dance and are healthy, and catch some breaks and so forth, we could win one game again and advance to the round of 32 before being bounced out. Don't give up hope!
Go coach H!
Have you actually watched Holtmann coach close games for the past 4 years? Same story: choke against the full court press. Horrible plays designed out of timeouts. Poor player rotations.
Benchwarmer
This guy reads entire omments like he watches basketball games.
WTF is the wrong with you? Are we talking about the same Holtmann…? Terrible hire, terrible fit , terrible cosch anyone who is ok with this is part of the problem!
NWObuckeye
I didn't like the timeout either but the coach didn't make the lazy pass
If he didn't call the TO, and we played straight-up and lost on a contested shot, these moron fans would be up-in-arms, regardless.
It doesn't matter how well he coached, or how good the players showed for a game; if we don't win, they all suck. That's the mentality of these Buckeye-ultras. They are flat-out crazy.
My god, this crew would want Izzo fired this year.
izzo never makes the coaching blunders Holtmann does. His teams always break the press. His teams have great set plays out of timeouts.
Benchwarmer
Some of us are tired of 4th or 5th place B10 finishes and first weekend NCAA exits.
I’d maybe sleep it off then and come back in March. Doubt the team makes a big run at a B1G championship, but they might make noise in the NCAA. These FRESHMEN are really good and only 1 should be leaving and we have a top 5 class next year. Future is bright. Enjoy the ride.
No, I would want Izzo to coach this team at least he wouldn't blow this many leads like Holtmann. Izzo has been to eight Final Fours so I know he is great with clock and game management unlike Holtmann. Izzo knows how to beat a press. Holtmann cannot even get to a Sweet 16. Painter should thank his lucky stars he has Holtmann coaching against him.
BuckeyeYankee
I dunno, this group seems like they’d be pretty mad if a northwestern team came in here and beat us. Probably a lot of words for how bad coach Izzo is.
This University makes too much money to always "come up short!"
says shorty
says shorty
You whiners are clueless. NONE of the whiners have mentioned THE biggest negative in this game. HOW in the hell did Ohio State only lose by ONE point when Purdue scored 21 more points on 3-Pointers than Ohio State did???
It was stupid to keep double teaming Edey. Giving that many wide open looks down the stretch was ridiculous. Even fouling Edey a couple times and making him shoot free throws would have been better.
Benchwarmer
On top of terrible coaching and execution down the stretch, we are awful under 4TO going into half every game under Holtmann, 5 years of the same shit, blowing leads, poor shots/sets, lapses on D and TOs. Just so frustrating seeing Holtmann waste a talented roster yet again.
Silver Bullets
Watching the replay of the last play, and Okpara sets a decent pick for Sensabaugh but still gets pushed backwards, and then for some reason Thornton dribbles towards Brice which brings Thornton's defender into Sensabaugh's space. Thornton needed to stay wide and just pass to Brice at the 3 pt line. Brice was going to get an open look at 3 if Thornton stays wide or he could dribble-drive on Edey.
Sueing and McNeill are hanging behind the 3 pt line, so I'm guessing Brice was going to curl and then take Edey one on one, which makes sense because Edey is slow as shit. There's nobody else in the lane and it would have worked if Thornton plays it right, but he sort of tripped and lost the handle on the ball right before the pass, which caused him to take a couple steps towards Brice to recover. And by that time, the guy that Okpara picked is also back in the scrum. Didn't like it when I watched it live, but I'm OK with the play design because it gets Brice one on one with a defender and going to the hoop and Edey, while really tall, can't move that well.
Okpara 30 minutes and only 2 fouls, that's good.
Good analysis and I think it really just came down to execution, like you said.
Can we just let Day and Holtmann continue to recruit, but hire a coach for each sport who can handle x’s and o’s under pressure?
"Who do you think you are?!?!...I am!!" -Pete Weber, bowling legend and dominator of the English language
And who would those coaches be? Someone like YOU?? ROFL
I coached middle school basketball, so I could at the very least draw up a press breaker since that is something most kids work on starting in 6th grade. And I would certainly be able to draw up a play to at least get a shot off wIth 10 seconds left.
"Who do you think you are?!?!...I am!!" -Pete Weber, bowling legend and dominator of the English language
Call Jay Wright out of retirement and bring in Urban
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90% if you are Fckibg idiots!!! Go away. Nobody needs all the complaining and btching and moaning. Go root for another team!!!!!! This team played their asses off and came up short against the number one team in the country and you all won’t to just whine like a two year old!!
Dude you cheer for penn State. You’re a troll and everyone on this board knows it. It’s the reason every post you make disappears with downvotes.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
WE
ARE
PENN
STATE
Make you feel better?
More Torture !!! That's all.
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
Predictable. Yeah, this team could be tough and plays well through most of the game against good opponents only to cough it up at the end. This is number 2 this year. Other years it’s been the same. Sure other teams suffer the same, once in a great while. But I’d like to know if it happens to any other program on a regular basis as it has under Holtmann at Ohio State.
Gregory
Oh no. That doesn't happen anywhere else. Just here. Fire Holtmann and shut the program down.
This team is going to be dangerous come March if they can fix the little mistakes they're making this is a really good team
HB
Clean up the small mistakes. Holtmann's tactics leave so much to be desired. It's a miracle I still have a full head of hair. Sounds like our football coaching!
OSUAlumInAZ
Let's hope we learn more from a loss than a win
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