You know you’re right, I call it the January swoon. But it’s not a swoon at all - it’s the big ten conference schedule. I don’t even watch the games anymore. No fun
They are too busy trying to convince us that Holtmann is WAY better than Matta. Just wait until Holtmann gets a team like the '86 Celtics to play a college schedule. He could easily make the Sweet 16 with Bird, McHale, and Parish.
Where are the Holtmann supporters? Defend your coach after these dismal performances! I've heard all your nonsensical excuses for three years and counting!
Plenty to criticize all around, but Holtman wasn’t the one missing all those layups and close shots. And how many times did they leave the rat faced kid open on the pick and roll even after repeatedly being told to stop over helping. Plenty of blame for both the staff and players tonight. No energy, lack of hustle, and poor shooting won’t win many games.
Have you all had enough of this shit yet? I stopped going to the games , stopped watching them on TV …no need to get my blood pressure up over Holtmann’s shitshow…it’s not going to get any better folks!!
Oldtimers will remember that Eldon Miller was fired immediately after a shocking loss to a Minnesota team that had been reduced to 6 scholarship players. Just sayin'.
I was a student when Coach Miller was the coach. My brother was staff at the university and part-time student. Jimmy Crum called for Eldon to be let go on his news broadcast. Weaselly little sawed off old fucker - wasn’t his place to editorialize regardless of his feelings. Don’t make yourself the news.
When they had a news conference my brother went down to the arena and went in. Some low level guy said this is for press only - my brother was a full sized guy and told him to stick it up his ass. Then he yelled at Jimmy Crum and said “ this is my university and my coach and a horse’s ass like you wouldn’t even have a job in this town without Ohio State.” Then he turned around and stomped out.
Jimmy Crum can still go fuck himself even if he’s dead.
I too was sick of Jimmy Crum after railed on Gary Williams for leaving OSU to coach at his alma mater Maryland. This was right after OSU had canned Earle.
Ain't gonna get it done shooting 38% and giving the ball away...pretty poor performance..I don't know how holtman can recruit like he does and lose like he does..
Seriously folks …I dont know where this Holtmann can recruit shit comes from, yeah he’s had some guys come through that have been alright but nothing like WOW FACTOR superstars ..or future NBA legends…damn if this is the only reason we are keeping this clown we are seriously screwed…back the brinks up and get Jent home ..if that don’t work overpay Billy Donovan in….this current mess is not OSU basketball!!
Not saying he brings in NBA superstars, that's not what he is getting paid to do, he's getting paid to win college basketball games, and signing top talent helps, he has had top classes the past few years..not saying he's another coach K.. but he is bringing in some talented young men
Refs absolutely screwed the Bucks at the end, but that doesn’t take away from a clown running amok in Columbus stealing millions of dollars from this university.
Man that was all ball on the block, but what a fckin ugly game - dog days of winter are here. Coaches Mic'd up sucked at first, but was really telling in crunch time.
Financially, that doesn't have to be the case - the contract was extended in years but the buyout is still an extremely reasonable $2.5 million; that's absolutely feasible for Ohio State (and their $200 million plus annual revenues for athletics ) to just pay if they want to.
We were 15 point favorites? Man I need to start betting on this team, particularly when it plays in January…..
nice call at the end there zebra, really fouled the crap out of him didn’t we? Really hard to root for this team. Zero chemistry zero leadership. Is it football season yet?
Not much to say other than Chris Holtman continues to fail and at this point we are heading to the NIT. Losing at home as a 15 point favorite to a 6 and 8 team is just Embarrassing. I will continue to cheer this team on but we have zero coach. Go Bucks
Stop being such a hater. You're so negative. You're not a real fan. Why do you even watch the games?
Any other tired rebuttals I can insert here?
I, along with countless others have been sounding the alarm on Holtmann for 2-3 years, but we have been shouted down time and time again. We're headed for a Thad-level exodus at the end of this season...
I stand with you, I have been shouted down, downvoted and disrespected by Holtmann homers, as I have been sounding the alarm from day one…this was the worst hire in the history of OSU basketball….have you noticed here of late though the support for Holtmann has become a trickle …it’s a damn shame we have burn the program to the ground and start over again, but Gene should of done that 3 years ago!!
Yep. 3 years ago I posted about how his teams tended to limp to the finish line and performed poorly in the NCAA. 2 years ago I thought his contract should not have been renewed. I can't tell you how many times people would say he's a good coach, a great representative of the school... yes, he is all those things but those are BASELINE requirements of the job. You are hired to WIN games. I was so against the extension because you've painted yourself in a corner with his buyout.
I think there is a good chance that Gene Smith ends up as the B1G Commissioner. Should that happen, a NEW AD may end up pulling the trigger and parting ways with Holtmann. Now, that preassumes they fall apart as a team which feels like what is happening. IF they can find a way to right the ship then all bets are off. The problem they have is the next 7 games have 5 road games and the 2 home ones are against Iowa and #18 Wisconsin. There is a real possibility of losing several up to ALL of those games. Only UM has a worse over all record.
I don’t understand why Texas would be interested…he was mediocre while coaching in the mid majors….nothing on his resume warranted being hired at on of college basketballs winningest programs…The Ohio State University…Chris Holtmann is a bum!!
I don’t know why Texas would be interested either brother, but I’m just holding out hope some dumb program hires him away because Gene won’t fire his ass
They beat literally no one in the non conference and have 2 good conference wins but I had them at .500 or 11-9 in B10 before tonight's dumpster fire. I am hard pressed to see how they finish above .500 with their schedule at this point. 9-11 with a blah resume isn't getting them in.
As predictable as Holtmann teams start well in conference, and January swoon, they will win a bunch of games you didn't expect in February, and then turn around and lose again in March. It his cycle at this point. Hard to argue otherwise.
That was a clean block at the end. That gets called correctly and we win the game in overtime. But Minnesota played harder and they outplayed us all night and you could say they deserved the win.
Can’t say I came away impressed with Holtmann and our coaches in the all access stuff.
We can whine about the call at the end, but why are they down for the whole game against the worst team in the conference in the first place? This is the type of game that will make a lot of fans tune out for the rest of the season. I will still watch occasionally but I am now completely apathetic.
Why are they down the whole game? Poor coaching, constantly getting beat off of the dribble, poor shot selection and not being able to finish around the rim.
As bad as it sounds, I'm kind of hoping he comes back down to earth a little, so he doesn't leave. Team would be stacked next year, but Holtmann is still the coach.
Maybe this team hits above 15 regular season wins, but I'd be shocked if they hit 20. I'd love to be wrong though
I don’t think there are any excuses about this one. The All Access made this worse. Holtmann wanted to play with pace and his players can’t execute. He had a half time speech about ball and player movement and the first possession second half was a one pass McNeil iso? As a coach, if his players don’t listen to him, then something is wrong. Also, his defensive coach may as well be a cardboard cutout - zero added benefit while we allow 50% shooting to a bottom big ten team. This was an abject failure by all parties. Also in 4 minute timeouts, repeating the same 2 items in different tones and cadences, doesn’t really count as coaching in my book.
Over 5 minutes without a basket against a terrible Gopher team,yes that was a clean block at the end but honestly OSU didn't desrve to win play so half hearted. Not sure if the team has locker room issues or not but they are clearly not buying in.
As always I’m just no longer surprised by another completely uninspiring effort! Same thing, never changes. At least I’m not wasting any emotional capital on this team.
This team is MUCH too talented to be in this position - as of right now we would probably MISS the Dance. Totally unacceptable. I really WANT to believe in Holtmann - but after a pathetic effort like tonight - I think it's time for Gene to start looking around for a new coach - yes, we got robbed on the clean block by Thornton - but we really deserved to lose tonight - that team WANTED the game more than we did - and we can't use Key not playing as an excuse - where do we go from here? The Holtmann January swoon - it happens EVERY year - the question is this team tough enough to turn it around? We shall see ...
I don’t want to hear they are young. Every team in college hoops is young these days.
Holtmann looks defeated. Team looks disinterested. Fanbase is lost. Never winning a conference title or getting anywhere in the tournament with holtmann as coach.
Done with holtmann and for what it’s worth the refs selling this game away was what this team gets for playing like garbage against a bottom tier big ten team
This is a repeated showcase that Holtmann cannot avoid losing to multiple inferior teams each year in conference play. That means no conference titles so long as this guy is at the helm.
You can tell a lot by body language and the body language just doesn’t look good to me. I’m no longer a Holtmann guy. It’s a shame because he seems to be a really standup guy the kids who play here seem to have good character and there have been infrequent incidents off court seemingly. We aren’t getting what we are paying Holtmann to do and that’s compete for big ten titles
Lets have the usual excuses from the Holtmann supporters. If Gene Smith had any stones he would pull the plug on this loser and let Diebler take over for the rest of the year. Yes, he is totally unproven but he could not be possibly any worse than Holtmann and may even provide a spark to this team. His dad was a great high school coach and bring him in to provide some backup guidance. He may not be up for it but just a thought. Might just as well start over for this year as the ncaa chances took a horrible hit tonight.
That was about as bad as it can get. They either bounce back quickly or it's going to get ugly/ier. No excuse for what happened tonight. Terrible offense, defense and coaching all around.
Sueing is poison. Always has been. And Holtmann deserves everything he gets for not knowing that, after seeing him up close for going on four years. Insanity.
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
The bad part about it is it's so predictable. The old saying "the ball always seems to find the weak spot at the most inopportune times". Sueing shouldn't be anywhere near the court ever inside of three minutes in either half. Naturally, he falls flat on his back and lets the guy get to the rim with Likekele left on an island in no man's land. Him and Key can do some things in pressure situations that I thought weren't humanly possible, but then I remember I've lived through the likes of Musa Jallow, Justin Ahrens, Meechie Johnson, and Seth Towns recently and have seen it all before. At least they didn't play 40 minutes a game like Sueing and regardless were never even close to Sueing quality in boneheadedness. He's in a class all by himself. Holtmann's loyalty and love for Justice Sueing will be the very thing that gets him fired at the end of this season.
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
Sueing plays good defense, he deserves credit for that. I've said it all year, he needs to know his limitations on offense. He is not "the man", he is an "other" player. Play good defense, set some good screens, and take the easy shots when presented. When he shoots too much, Texas Tech is an exception, it's not a good sign for the Bucks.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
I like our coach and I think he turns it around this year yet. I say this because I’ve never seen the stress and look on his face like I did in the late stages of the game. I bet he changes his approach.
If you had a D1 son deciding between Ben Johnson or Chris Holtmann, it's not even close. Johnson provides instruction, Holtmann just states the obvious. The mic'ed up coaches showed how clueless Holtmann is at game-time coaching. Cannot diagram a play, cannot make any adjustments and is 99% rah rah. Get that bum out of here.
The worst part was that FS1 All Access split screen with the coaches for the entire game. I thought I was on the wrong channel and kept looking for other Fox stations for the real telecast. I had to turn the volume all the way down five minutes into the game and pretend I wasn't looking at Chris Holtmann and a 1-4 Coach from Minnesota I don't even no the name of still. I tune in to watch Ohio State basketball not look at and listen to Chris Holtmann. If I wanted to do that, I'd go to one of his overpriced clinics he probably holds in the offseason for unsuspecting suckers.. hahahah
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
2023 started with a shanked field goal, and nothing has gone right since. At least the Women’s team is taking care of business. As far as Holtmann goes, I like the guy. I just wish he won more. And considering that’s his whole job, maybe it’s time to move on. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t see it happening.
Those Holtmann apologists never show up during a loss to defend their coach they will post nonsensical excuses about why they played poorly about how bad the Holtmann haters are. Got rid of Thad Matta for this bum. Karma killed OSU basketball getting this guy.
Happy to say I’m right here and eating crow. The all access was exposing. Although same can be said about half this thread after any win. I don’t particularly care about Holtmann’s job, but rather the programs sustainability. I would argue that half of this thread puts a rubber stamp of approval on how the browns manage coaching instead of letting some semblance of development before a firing.
You will get no downvotes from me. Nothing wrong with defending a coach and then finally coming to terms with the fact he ain’t it. That was me with Thad at the very end.
I really dont get the fans' love for Key. He is too short to guard any legit big man inside. He offers no presence and teams can get to rim at will against this team. He has trouble locating the ball when it comes off the rim. He is decent hustle guy that is a bench player.
This team has very little upside to win multiple games in the dance.
I would rather see Holtmann play all the young guys 30 minutes a game. Thornton, Sensabaugh, Gayle, Okpara. Sueing as the other starter. Have Key, McNeil and Holden sub in. Likelele and Brown offer zero offensive value so there is little need to give either very many minutes.
Looking at the stats, I'm reminded of the article that said we're not shooting enough threes. Maybe that's true.
Another thing I noticed, is that Thornton kept stopping his dribble on his drives to the basket. I thought that kid Cooper #55 outplayed Thornton at times, was physical with Thornton, and quite frankly that should never happen to a kid with Thornton's ability. Thornton wasn't aggressive enough and he's a much better player than is Cooper.
No idea how people are still defending Holtmann. I have always liked him but he's got no schematic advantage of any kind, he's a horrible strategic coach and his players appear to be disinterested. Which is to say nothing of the fact that we are in year 6 and have yet to advance beyond the round of 32 or even sniff a B1G title. Oh, and we have completely wasted several years with 1st round NBA talent. If a team with Liddel and Washington couldn't win, why would expect this year to be different? We literally have one year with a guy like Sensabaugh, probably our best talent in years, and we are fucking 10-6 and just lost to the worst team in the league - at home. This should be unacceptable and I would love to a hear a cogent argument as to why Holtmann deserves another 1/2/3 years.
The first four losses were at least to teams that will almost certainly make the Dance - the last two losses are NOT good - Maryland is a bubble team at best - Minnesota won't even make the NIT - we were very fortunate to beat Rutgers otherwise we would be 1-4 right now in B1G - if we don't turn things around quickly this could very easily end up being an NIT team - and maybe THAT will finally wake Gene up and be the impetus for him to pull the trigger and turn the program over to someone else
That game was so embarrassing viewing it from the Fox Sports One miked up sideline. Anyone else think Holtman sounded like he had no idea how to coach and the Minnesota coach was actually calling set plays and drawing things up on a dry erase board during timeouts. It was so different between the two. One looked like a coach - the other looked like a deer in head lights. Also - during our own timeout - Holtman called no play in the timeout and the team looked clueless coming out of the time out and got a terrible shot off. I am done with this guy. He is clueless. Has no in-game skill sets. He spent more time scratching his head and saying - let’s go - vice doing anything worthwhile during the timeouts. This Fox Sports One view of the game should give reason to anyone who just gives it to Gene Smith to say - watch this and tell me why on earth we are paying this guy so much to do this!
You’re absolutely right. So many games have proven that Holtman has no in-game coaching credentials. All he knows how to call is ISO. That’s it. He can’t coach. And we are paying him how much!!!
It’ll be interesting to see if there is a large drop in attendance if this continues. Holtmann will have to go hand out free meal coupons at Cane’s again to try and get butts in seats.
At the end of close games seems like Sueing is the good, bad & ugly. His falling down tonight in the last 8 seconds of the game allowing his man to get to the basket relying on Thornton to block the last shot of the game (yes, it was a clean block, but the dude should have never gotten to the hoop). Sueing's t.o. against Purdue in the last 25 seconds, his brain fart in the last few seconds against MI last year etc.
"We're going to give the ball to dumb-ass and grind meat"--Woody Hayes
When Gayle was in he was bad tonight imo. Took an ill advised shot you could see Holtmanns reaction to and ran a guy over Earl Cambell style going to the bucket. He was going with his best guys in a tight game and Gayle wasn't it tonight imo. But honestly no one else was either
Good thing we signed Holtmann to a 3 year, $3.5mm/year contract extension last spring. All that means is they're less likely to get rid of him because of the higher buyout. Just awful!
Realistically, with the transfer portal if you fire him this year, the team is decimated for at least four years akin to what happened to IU when Kelvin Sampson got canned. As a Holtmann apologist, this game made me eat crow. He doesn’t seem to coach in-game, his defensive coach is completely disengaged and his players don’t listen to him, but if you fire him mid season you lose the young kids who may not have bought in and the recruiting class goes to shit. I’d rather be middling for two years, get rid of him thoughtfully, than set the program back 4-6 years, and this group will be even more miserable than they already are.
@costinjr- they don't listen to him I agree. I said in the in game thread it was funny watching the timeouts where in one instance literally no one was looking at him or paying any attention.
Remember how having Suing back and healthy for this year was going to make all the difference. It seems that is what some supporters of Holtmann said before the season started. Well, he is back and what a difference. The losing continues and it is a new way every game. The only constant is worst coach in the Big 10. Holtmann.
Why does so many posts say how he is a good recruiter???? Ok this years class has/will have quality to play near the top of the league. Other class that I call good was Liddell's. But EJ was the only one that stuck. The rest of the classes in his 6 years are not ones that will get you to the top of the conference. His best year was his first with Thad's kids. Not ready to bail on him yet but this is not going anywhere.
I'm in the same boat, especially because if this is true then it's just even more of an indictment on his poor coaching. And the fact that he hasn't gotten a SINGLE competent big man in 6 years is inexcusable. Watching these undersized teams year after year is getting tiring.
Bad shooting nights happen to every team, but these guys looked flat from the opening jump. The offense seemed to regress to the first two weeks of the season, when they were leaning on talent alone to get through those first three cupcakes. Unorganized, lifeless basketball lacking in creativity. The frustration of the players was visible and the whole thing was ugly to watch. I didn't see any sense of urgency from the bench at any point.
And yes, that was a clean block at the end, a bad call to top of a number of them tonight. But we shouldn't have been in the position and we absolutely deserved to lose. Just awful.
I called for an end to this turd-fest era 2 years ago. Nice to see some of you finally coming around. Let Holtmann finish the season and then can his ass.
I solved my basketball worries. After that last good Matta team with Lighty and Diebler that played hard and sound basketball, I just accepted that we are a football school and if basketball is good, that’s nice, and if not well then I read a book or watch a movie and get ready for spring training baseball. It’s one of the better life decisions I made in the last decade. Do you think they really care at Kentucky or Kansas that their football teams started 5-0 and ended 7-6. They don’t care because those are BASKETBALL schools. We don’t need to care about Holtmann because we are a FOOTBALL school.
No reason not to be excellent at both. Only reason it happens is because it’s tolerated. Stop going to the games. Empty seats and lost $$$ will bring change.
Dear Chief, Well there is a reason not to be excellent at both - because we are a football school. I will wait silently over here humming the Final Jeopardy theme while you identify the schools that are great at football and basketball. Like a unicorn or a dodo, you can't find one. And strike that, it's not about just being great. It's about the narrative around your school. Kentucky and Duke and North Carolina and Kansas are basketball schools. Nobody disputes that - they have earned it over a generation or more. Alabama and Georgia and Clemson and Ohio State are football schools. Do all of these schools have good to great teams in other sports on a regular or semi-regular basis - yes, sort of. Does anybody in the sports universe sit around and wonder how the Alabama basketball team is going to do next year. Not one. Is everybody wondering what Saban is going to do after missing the CFP this season - yeah, millions do. And why do they do that? Because Alabama is a football school, and so is the Ohio State University.
I am going to choose NOT to hang my basketball hat on 1960-1962. We laugh our asses off at ttun because their last undisputed national championship was in 1948. Pointing to 1960 and thumping our chest is equally pointless. And does it FEEL like we have the 12th best basketball program of all time? Whatever that means I'm not feeling it.
I will stand by my point that we are a football school. Because we are.
Only thing that will get Coach fired is if this years freshman bolt the program and next years class starts decommitting. What a shame what’s going on here!
I posted after last game. No urgency, intensity, or on court leadership. Same today. Who is to blame? Half court defense stepped it up with 5 to go, played aggressive, saw a chance to win. Where was it the other 35 minutes. Who is to blame? I have been critical of Holtman, but the players also need to step it up. Play to win instead of trying to get theirs
Not getting easier at Rutgers and then at Nebraska. Then home vs Iowa and then at Illinois and at Indiana. All winnable but this team just lost at home to Minnesota.
OSU could realistically lose the next five games or four of the five.
The second top 5 recruiting class is still in HS. Up until recently his recruiting has been sub par if you want to compete for league titles. I took 5 years to get a good class together. Most of upperclassmen is transfers. His inability to get better players in here before now has hurt, especially a big man.
Fuzz this is not the same as football. Matta got Oden and Conley when IU was in the dumps between coaches. His other class was all Ohio guys. Typically if OH HS basketball is good. So is osu. We’ve never recruited out of state well except for one or two players per class
I'm not part of the fire-the-bum contingent, but with each game, I'm one step closer. The steps are getting bigger too. I've only held out because his last two recruiting classes have been very good, despite not getting a big man. But from a tactical viewpoint, he is average.
Not comparing it to football...go back and write down every recruit Holt has brought in since he arrived here. I look at that list of players, some who never panned out, some left left early, and some that were good, but you think about how their abilities as players and I feel his first issue has been recruiting a player good enough to give him a chance to play for league titles. This years freshmen, yes they are good and should compete in years to come. And yes he has a nice class coming in next year. Still not sold on his ability to coach at this level either.
What a fitting photo on the lead up Sensabaugh taking a contested shot! As he shot 32% 8-21 from the floor again for 2 straight games Seuing was a little worse at 31% 4-15 from the floor. Holtman needs to peel some paint off the locker room and tell these super stars that contested shots are BAD SHOTS!!
Please,please Gene Smith before you retire. Dump Holtmann. Buckeye basketball can be relevant again with the a good coach to lead it. I want to see a team that is solid in fundamentals and has a real game plan and desire to win. If you have those things it can make up for not having a team of 5 star talent. OSU will never beat the blue bloods for talent but the talent it has now will get the job done with a coach that knows his shit. Holtmann is really outclassed and should be back at a lower level coaching. This team is floundering again as all his teams do in January. It is the time of year when the cupcakes are gone and it is all Big 10 teams and REAL coaching and tactics are needed to win. So what if we lose some of these guys in transfer. It may happen anyways the direction the team is headed. Get this boat going the right direction because it is taking on water now.
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Terrible call at the end, but pathetic this was even a game. Holtmann January continues.
You know you’re right, I call it the January swoon. But it’s not a swoon at all - it’s the big ten conference schedule. I don’t even watch the games anymore. No fun
The Cleveland Indians used to always have a June swoon back in the 60s and 70s. It happened like clockwork. Holtmann is my new Indians.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
They are too busy trying to convince us that Holtmann is WAY better than Matta. Just wait until Holtmann gets a team like the '86 Celtics to play a college schedule. He could easily make the Sweet 16 with Bird, McHale, and Parish.
Robert M
Its the Guardians now. Read a book once in awhile...
N High St. was my playground
It wasn't in the 60's & 70's...
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Not to realy fans, it will NEVER be the Guardians
Sani
I'd contend that the Indians 60's & 70's (and 80's) swoons weren't limited to June.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
Holtmann is a loser and it’s hilarious and sad/pathetic that people on here keep defending him. Fire his worthless ass, Gene.
I don't always finish my sentences but when I do
Gene just gave this guy A CONTRACT EXTENSION
Where are the Holtmann supporters? Defend your coach after these dismal performances! I've heard all your nonsensical excuses for three years and counting!
BuckeyeYankee
Plenty to criticize all around, but Holtman wasn’t the one missing all those layups and close shots. And how many times did they leave the rat faced kid open on the pick and roll even after repeatedly being told to stop over helping. Plenty of blame for both the staff and players tonight. No energy, lack of hustle, and poor shooting won’t win many games.
Indiana is just Ohio West
Did you listen to what Holtmann said during timeouts and halftime? He provides NO strategy. Anybody can do what he does.
No energy, and lack of hustle is a reflection on the head coach. Nice guy but Holtman ain't it...
“Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.” - Will Rogers
When the Buckeyes really need a special play to execute in dire situations, we look completely unprepared, uninformed………uncoached
Wow, there’s some serious down voting going on in here
That split screen and coverage inside the OSU timeouts and half time didn't do anything to convince me of Holtmann's coaching prowess. Just wow, SMH
Shit show. Holtmann isn’t it
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
Holtmann!
TBDSNITL: The best damn screen name in the land!
Have you all had enough of this shit yet? I stopped going to the games , stopped watching them on TV …no need to get my blood pressure up over Holtmann’s shitshow…it’s not going to get any better folks!!
NWObuckeye
Oldtimers will remember that Eldon Miller was fired immediately after a shocking loss to a Minnesota team that had been reduced to 6 scholarship players. Just sayin'.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Gene would never do it.
Gene was standing right in front of our section for the final minute. zero emotion or disappointment on his face.
Gene Smith is professional enough to know not to show displeasure for his teams, I would hope.
wb5
His checks still get deposited directly.
I was a student when Coach Miller was the coach. My brother was staff at the university and part-time student. Jimmy Crum called for Eldon to be let go on his news broadcast. Weaselly little sawed off old fucker - wasn’t his place to editorialize regardless of his feelings. Don’t make yourself the news.
When they had a news conference my brother went down to the arena and went in. Some low level guy said this is for press only - my brother was a full sized guy and told him to stick it up his ass. Then he yelled at Jimmy Crum and said “ this is my university and my coach and a horse’s ass like you wouldn’t even have a job in this town without Ohio State.” Then he turned around and stomped out.
Jimmy Crum can still go fuck himself even if he’s dead.
Michael
I enjoyed that story
Rlc
Good post.
I too was sick of Jimmy Crum after railed on Gary Williams for leaving OSU to coach at his alma mater Maryland. This was right after OSU had canned Earle.
get over yourself, Jimmy
Well Jimmy was right
Ain't gonna get it done shooting 38% and giving the ball away...pretty poor performance..I don't know how holtman can recruit like he does and lose like he does..
Bad call when it was all ball but an even worse effort/coaching performance tonight. That was pathetic and embarrassing to watch
Seriously folks …I dont know where this Holtmann can recruit shit comes from, yeah he’s had some guys come through that have been alright but nothing like WOW FACTOR superstars ..or future NBA legends…damn if this is the only reason we are keeping this clown we are seriously screwed…back the brinks up and get Jent home ..if that don’t work overpay Billy Donovan in….this current mess is not OSU basketball!!
NWObuckeye
Jent has the personality of a dish rag. Fuck that.
Not saying he brings in NBA superstars, that's not what he is getting paid to do, he's getting paid to win college basketball games, and signing top talent helps, he has had top classes the past few years..not saying he's another coach K.. but he is bringing in some talented young men
Drop a bag and go get Calipari when Kentucky fires him after this year.
Ohio Against the World
…….and listen to.
Because he's a good recruiter and a below average coach. I think 6 years is enough time for us to see that. Look at all the talent he's wasted.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
I hope that incoming guys and recruits do not start to waiver on their commitments. I don’t know just the coaches did tonight to help the team win.
24-64 (37.5%) FGM-FGA (PCT.)
The Holtmann era is done!
Brad
Should've been done after 2021 if we're being honest
Absolutely. There is no doubt he can recruit talent. But he can't do anything with it as a TEAM!
Refs absolutely screwed the Bucks at the end, but that doesn’t take away from a clown running amok in Columbus stealing millions of dollars from this university.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
It wasn’t just at the end of the game, the refs did a lot of screwing!
Holtmann has to go. Terrible in game coach
Man that was all ball on the block, but what a fckin ugly game - dog days of winter are here. Coaches Mic'd up sucked at first, but was really telling in crunch time.
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
Holtmann is truly dry as a popcorn fart in the huddle. It's a wonder our guys don't sneak in a catnap during the media TOs.
They don’t respect him, at ALL.
What month is it again?
Holtmann has a major problem right now. He's lost a lot of the fan base, and probably a couple of players as well.
If there are any leaders on this team, now is the time for those leaders to rally everybody and not give up.
Holtman was in over his head the day he was hired essentially meaning he was a bad hire and that falls directly on Gene Smith.
GO BUCKS
Gene Smith gave him a three year extension. This guy could be here for six years.
BuckeyeYankee
Financially, that doesn't have to be the case - the contract was extended in years but the buyout is still an extremely reasonable $2.5 million; that's absolutely feasible for Ohio State (and their $200 million plus annual revenues for athletics ) to just pay if they want to.
No wonder Meechie left OSU for South Carolina... he'd had enough of Hopeless Holtmann.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Sueing did that, once.
Embarrassing
You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink
We were 15 point favorites? Man I need to start betting on this team, particularly when it plays in January…..
nice call at the end there zebra, really fouled the crap out of him didn’t we? Really hard to root for this team. Zero chemistry zero leadership. Is it football season yet?
Tough to build chemistry when the coaching staff has half the roster as transfers every year.
Make even more $$$ if you bet against them in March.
Robert M
Yes it was a clean block but Ohio state should have never been in game at home vs the worst team in the conference.
Next 4 of 5 on the road. Holtmann nice guy. Good recruiter but this just is unacceptable.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Exactly
This is just awful. I don't get it. So disappointed in this team right now.
Win, Lose, or Tie...I'm a Buckeye until I die!
Just another choke job by Holtman n' crew.
go buckeyes...
1-2 sucks!
Not much to say other than Chris Holtman continues to fail and at this point we are heading to the NIT. Losing at home as a 15 point favorite to a 6 and 8 team is just Embarrassing. I will continue to cheer this team on but we have zero coach. Go Bucks
Go Bucks
The worst part of tonight was how bad the defense was against a bad shooting team at home.
Gee, where have we heard that defense is the problem?
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Chris Holtmann ladies and gentlemen. We tried to tell ya.
Take the Texas job and get the hell out of Columbus my god
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Stop being such a hater. You're so negative. You're not a real fan. Why do you even watch the games?
Any other tired rebuttals I can insert here?
I, along with countless others have been sounding the alarm on Holtmann for 2-3 years, but we have been shouted down time and time again. We're headed for a Thad-level exodus at the end of this season...
Thought you were being serious for a second my dude hahaha
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Lol, sorry. On my phone and can't get italics to work for me...
I stand with you, I have been shouted down, downvoted and disrespected by Holtmann homers, as I have been sounding the alarm from day one…this was the worst hire in the history of OSU basketball….have you noticed here of late though the support for Holtmann has become a trickle …it’s a damn shame we have burn the program to the ground and start over again, but Gene should of done that 3 years ago!!
NWObuckeye
Yep. 3 years ago I posted about how his teams tended to limp to the finish line and performed poorly in the NCAA. 2 years ago I thought his contract should not have been renewed. I can't tell you how many times people would say he's a good coach, a great representative of the school... yes, he is all those things but those are BASELINE requirements of the job. You are hired to WIN games. I was so against the extension because you've painted yourself in a corner with his buyout.
I think there is a good chance that Gene Smith ends up as the B1G Commissioner. Should that happen, a NEW AD may end up pulling the trigger and parting ways with Holtmann. Now, that preassumes they fall apart as a team which feels like what is happening. IF they can find a way to right the ship then all bets are off. The problem they have is the next 7 games have 5 road games and the 2 home ones are against Iowa and #18 Wisconsin. There is a real possibility of losing several up to ALL of those games. Only UM has a worse over all record.
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
Just wait till he gets "his guys".
/s
Robert M
I don’t understand why Texas would be interested…he was mediocre while coaching in the mid majors….nothing on his resume warranted being hired at on of college basketballs winningest programs…The Ohio State University…Chris Holtmann is a bum!!
NWObuckeye
I don’t know why Texas would be interested either brother, but I’m just holding out hope some dumb program hires him away because Gene won’t fire his ass
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
How anybody at this point can justify Holtman still being the coach at tOSU is ridiculous.
GO BUCKS
Anyone still think this team makes it past the first weekend of the tourney (or at this point maybe they’ll miss it)?
They aren’t making the tournament
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
They beat literally no one in the non conference and have 2 good conference wins but I had them at .500 or 11-9 in B10 before tonight's dumpster fire. I am hard pressed to see how they finish above .500 with their schedule at this point. 9-11 with a blah resume isn't getting them in.
As predictable as Holtmann teams start well in conference, and January swoon, they will win a bunch of games you didn't expect in February, and then turn around and lose again in March. It his cycle at this point. Hard to argue otherwise.
Their only “good win” should’ve been a loss - the conference even admitted it. Oddly still a top-20 team on KenPom.
They should make the Big Ten tournament!
That was a clean block at the end. That gets called correctly and we win the game in overtime. But Minnesota played harder and they outplayed us all night and you could say they deserved the win.
Can’t say I came away impressed with Holtmann and our coaches in the all access stuff.
Texas needs a new coach, guessing TOSU does too! Pitiful performance. 3 losses in a row?
Awful display.
What keeps this guy around??! How and why was his contract extended? The John Cooper of Buckeye hoops!!
http://URLWoody 1
John Cooper at least won the Big 10 a few times!
This is an insult to John Cooper. Cooper lost to Michigan but won pretty much every other game. Not the same, at all.
EddieG
Team looked good against Purdue, playing without Key…then look like road kill against two teams they should beat.
We can whine about the call at the end, but why are they down for the whole game against the worst team in the conference in the first place? This is the type of game that will make a lot of fans tune out for the rest of the season. I will still watch occasionally but I am now completely apathetic.
Yep
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
@Rutgers next. That should be good.
Why are they down the whole game? Poor coaching, constantly getting beat off of the dribble, poor shot selection and not being able to finish around the rim.
Complete waste of a one and done season with Sensabaugh. This team will be lucky to win 15 games
LOL!
The way Sensabaugh has looked recently, we might need to temper those 1 & done expectations lmao
As bad as it sounds, I'm kind of hoping he comes back down to earth a little, so he doesn't leave. Team would be stacked next year, but Holtmann is still the coach.
Maybe this team hits above 15 regular season wins, but I'd be shocked if they hit 20. I'd love to be wrong though
Well that was horrifying
Urban Warfare
Well, it was nice to have Sensabaugh for a season bc he's gonna be gone after this year. I know I would be if I were him...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
All aboard the excuse train....
I don’t think there are any excuses about this one. The All Access made this worse. Holtmann wanted to play with pace and his players can’t execute. He had a half time speech about ball and player movement and the first possession second half was a one pass McNeil iso? As a coach, if his players don’t listen to him, then something is wrong. Also, his defensive coach may as well be a cardboard cutout - zero added benefit while we allow 50% shooting to a bottom big ten team. This was an abject failure by all parties. Also in 4 minute timeouts, repeating the same 2 items in different tones and cadences, doesn’t really count as coaching in my book.
Holtmann has no energy and this team plays with no energy…..wonder if there’s a connection there
O-H...I-O!
Over 5 minutes without a basket against a terrible Gopher team,yes that was a clean block at the end but honestly OSU didn't desrve to win play so half hearted. Not sure if the team has locker room issues or not but they are clearly not buying in.
Raider85
As always I’m just no longer surprised by another completely uninspiring effort! Same thing, never changes. At least I’m not wasting any emotional capital on this team.
jNowie
This team is MUCH too talented to be in this position - as of right now we would probably MISS the Dance. Totally unacceptable. I really WANT to believe in Holtmann - but after a pathetic effort like tonight - I think it's time for Gene to start looking around for a new coach - yes, we got robbed on the clean block by Thornton - but we really deserved to lose tonight - that team WANTED the game more than we did - and we can't use Key not playing as an excuse - where do we go from here? The Holtmann January swoon - it happens EVERY year - the question is this team tough enough to turn it around? We shall see ...
plsSJbuckeye
I don’t want to hear they are young. Every team in college hoops is young these days.
Holtmann looks defeated. Team looks disinterested. Fanbase is lost. Never winning a conference title or getting anywhere in the tournament with holtmann as coach.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
If you are not young you are likely on your 3rd college team.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Outplayed at home by a sub-.500 team that was 0-4 in the conference. That's pathetic.
If the refs called the last few seconds of the Rutger game correctly, we would be 1-4 in conference play.
Ended up a pretty close game between two bottom feeders.
BobnTX
Done with holtmann and for what it’s worth the refs selling this game away was what this team gets for playing like garbage against a bottom tier big ten team
"Ice! It's in my veins!" - D'Angelo Russell
This is bigger than tonight.
This is a repeated showcase that Holtmann cannot avoid losing to multiple inferior teams each year in conference play. That means no conference titles so long as this guy is at the helm.
The experiment is over.
You can tell a lot by body language and the body language just doesn’t look good to me. I’m no longer a Holtmann guy. It’s a shame because he seems to be a really standup guy the kids who play here seem to have good character and there have been infrequent incidents off court seemingly. We aren’t getting what we are paying Holtmann to do and that’s compete for big ten titles
Lets have the usual excuses from the Holtmann supporters. If Gene Smith had any stones he would pull the plug on this loser and let Diebler take over for the rest of the year. Yes, he is totally unproven but he could not be possibly any worse than Holtmann and may even provide a spark to this team. His dad was a great high school coach and bring him in to provide some backup guidance. He may not be up for it but just a thought. Might just as well start over for this year as the ncaa chances took a horrible hit tonight.
That was about as bad as it can get. They either bounce back quickly or it's going to get ugly/ier. No excuse for what happened tonight. Terrible offense, defense and coaching all around.
JWilly3
“Turn out the lights, the party’s over”.
Sueing is poison. Always has been. And Holtmann deserves everything he gets for not knowing that, after seeing him up close for going on four years. Insanity.
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
Sueing has been a sixth year senior and he has no ball handling skills after four years of playing time.
BuckeyeYankee
The bad part about it is it's so predictable. The old saying "the ball always seems to find the weak spot at the most inopportune times". Sueing shouldn't be anywhere near the court ever inside of three minutes in either half. Naturally, he falls flat on his back and lets the guy get to the rim with Likekele left on an island in no man's land. Him and Key can do some things in pressure situations that I thought weren't humanly possible, but then I remember I've lived through the likes of Musa Jallow, Justin Ahrens, Meechie Johnson, and Seth Towns recently and have seen it all before. At least they didn't play 40 minutes a game like Sueing and regardless were never even close to Sueing quality in boneheadedness. He's in a class all by himself. Holtmann's loyalty and love for Justice Sueing will be the very thing that gets him fired at the end of this season.
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
Sueing plays good defense, he deserves credit for that. I've said it all year, he needs to know his limitations on offense. He is not "the man", he is an "other" player. Play good defense, set some good screens, and take the easy shots when presented. When he shoots too much, Texas Tech is an exception, it's not a good sign for the Bucks.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
I like our coach and I think he turns it around this year yet. I say this because I’ve never seen the stress and look on his face like I did in the late stages of the game. I bet he changes his approach.
Fire Kevin Warren
If you had a D1 son deciding between Ben Johnson or Chris Holtmann, it's not even close. Johnson provides instruction, Holtmann just states the obvious. The mic'ed up coaches showed how clueless Holtmann is at game-time coaching. Cannot diagram a play, cannot make any adjustments and is 99% rah rah. Get that bum out of here.
The worst part was that FS1 All Access split screen with the coaches for the entire game. I thought I was on the wrong channel and kept looking for other Fox stations for the real telecast. I had to turn the volume all the way down five minutes into the game and pretend I wasn't looking at Chris Holtmann and a 1-4 Coach from Minnesota I don't even no the name of still. I tune in to watch Ohio State basketball not look at and listen to Chris Holtmann. If I wanted to do that, I'd go to one of his overpriced clinics he probably holds in the offseason for unsuspecting suckers.. hahahah
- Bobby Boucher is the best Foosball QB since Joe Mantegna -
He hasn't changed to date and there is no reason to think he will now.
Laughable
I don't always finish my sentences but when I do
2023 started with a shanked field goal, and nothing has gone right since. At least the Women’s team is taking care of business. As far as Holtmann goes, I like the guy. I just wish he won more. And considering that’s his whole job, maybe it’s time to move on. I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t see it happening.
Do the Holtmann apologists even dare to try and spin this? I’m genuinely curious…
Key was playing hurt, and when Minnesota plays hard, they are a really good team
LOL
Those Holtmann apologists never show up during a loss to defend their coach they will post nonsensical excuses about why they played poorly about how bad the Holtmann haters are. Got rid of Thad Matta for this bum. Karma killed OSU basketball getting this guy.
BuckeyeYankee
Happy to say I’m right here and eating crow. The all access was exposing. Although same can be said about half this thread after any win. I don’t particularly care about Holtmann’s job, but rather the programs sustainability. I would argue that half of this thread puts a rubber stamp of approval on how the browns manage coaching instead of letting some semblance of development before a firing.
Let me hang on to something before the DVs come
You will get no downvotes from me. Nothing wrong with defending a coach and then finally coming to terms with the fact he ain’t it. That was me with Thad at the very end.
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Shook - you’ve always been reasonable around this topic.
I really dont get the fans' love for Key. He is too short to guard any legit big man inside. He offers no presence and teams can get to rim at will against this team. He has trouble locating the ball when it comes off the rim. He is decent hustle guy that is a bench player.
This team has very little upside to win multiple games in the dance.
I would rather see Holtmann play all the young guys 30 minutes a game. Thornton, Sensabaugh, Gayle, Okpara. Sueing as the other starter. Have Key, McNeil and Holden sub in. Likelele and Brown offer zero offensive value so there is little need to give either very many minutes.
Benchwarmer
Does Holtmann make it to March?
Gene isn’t firing him. He’s going to give him a pass and doesn’t care one bit.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
If he loses next 7 I think he’s gone. You have Diebler as a stable interim.
Don’t like to pile on but that was bad. No offensive movement, D is always leaving a 3 pt shooter wide open. That was very poor.
Thad ran the Circle Jerk Offense, now Holtmann runs the Cluster Fuck Defense.
Looking at the stats, I'm reminded of the article that said we're not shooting enough threes. Maybe that's true.
Another thing I noticed, is that Thornton kept stopping his dribble on his drives to the basket. I thought that kid Cooper #55 outplayed Thornton at times, was physical with Thornton, and quite frankly that should never happen to a kid with Thornton's ability. Thornton wasn't aggressive enough and he's a much better player than is Cooper.
Same mistakes being made that have been made with every other holtmann team. They haven’t fixed anything in 6 seasons under him.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
No idea how people are still defending Holtmann. I have always liked him but he's got no schematic advantage of any kind, he's a horrible strategic coach and his players appear to be disinterested. Which is to say nothing of the fact that we are in year 6 and have yet to advance beyond the round of 32 or even sniff a B1G title. Oh, and we have completely wasted several years with 1st round NBA talent. If a team with Liddel and Washington couldn't win, why would expect this year to be different? We literally have one year with a guy like Sensabaugh, probably our best talent in years, and we are fucking 10-6 and just lost to the worst team in the league - at home. This should be unacceptable and I would love to a hear a cogent argument as to why Holtmann deserves another 1/2/3 years.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
The first four losses were at least to teams that will almost certainly make the Dance - the last two losses are NOT good - Maryland is a bubble team at best - Minnesota won't even make the NIT - we were very fortunate to beat Rutgers otherwise we would be 1-4 right now in B1G - if we don't turn things around quickly this could very easily end up being an NIT team - and maybe THAT will finally wake Gene up and be the impetus for him to pull the trigger and turn the program over to someone else
plsSJbuckeye
That game was so embarrassing viewing it from the Fox Sports One miked up sideline. Anyone else think Holtman sounded like he had no idea how to coach and the Minnesota coach was actually calling set plays and drawing things up on a dry erase board during timeouts. It was so different between the two. One looked like a coach - the other looked like a deer in head lights. Also - during our own timeout - Holtman called no play in the timeout and the team looked clueless coming out of the time out and got a terrible shot off. I am done with this guy. He is clueless. Has no in-game skill sets. He spent more time scratching his head and saying - let’s go - vice doing anything worthwhile during the timeouts. This Fox Sports One view of the game should give reason to anyone who just gives it to Gene Smith to say - watch this and tell me why on earth we are paying this guy so much to do this!
Lance-Uppercut
This same thing happened against Nebraska last year and he received an extension. Makes no sense.
You’re absolutely right. So many games have proven that Holtman has no in-game coaching credentials. All he knows how to call is ISO. That’s it. He can’t coach. And we are paying him how much!!!
Lance-Uppercut
Gene is riding a bump-free, gravy-train to retirement. The end.
I don't know a lot about basketball but I know this ain't good.
Maybe the first time I've ever thought that it truly was time to move on from a coach?
It's 2023 and you're still calling him JTT?
What a circus.
Minnesota offense looked so good and OSU looked horrible they look lost out there horrible.
HB
The coaches Mic'd up didn't do Holtmann any favors
He certainly didnt inspire confidence that he knows what he is doing.
Benchwarmer
It’ll be interesting to see if there is a large drop in attendance if this continues. Holtmann will have to go hand out free meal coupons at Cane’s again to try and get butts in seats.
At the end of close games seems like Sueing is the good, bad & ugly. His falling down tonight in the last 8 seconds of the game allowing his man to get to the basket relying on Thornton to block the last shot of the game (yes, it was a clean block, but the dude should have never gotten to the hoop). Sueing's t.o. against Purdue in the last 25 seconds, his brain fart in the last few seconds against MI last year etc.
"We're going to give the ball to dumb-ass and grind meat"--Woody Hayes
Lets not forget his behind the back pass he pulled against MSU two years ago that let MSU get a damn near game winning WIDE OPEN fastbreak
Word of advice coach, never allow yourself to be miked again if you can help it, made you look even worse.
Sani
Yup!!! Pretty sad listening to this guy “coach” during timeouts. He offered absolutely nothing.
Lance-Uppercut
He hardly even played Roddy Gayle I just don't get his thinking they look unorganized it's hard to watch.
HB
I don’t think it mattered who played tonight. IT just wasn’t there. Coaching sucked, players sucked, refs sucked and so did the weather!
When Gayle was in he was bad tonight imo. Took an ill advised shot you could see Holtmanns reaction to and ran a guy over Earl Cambell style going to the bucket. He was going with his best guys in a tight game and Gayle wasn't it tonight imo. But honestly no one else was either
Holtmann ain’t it, dudes. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out of town Chris!
OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!
5 Assists.
Who says Holtmann's teams don't run any sort of structured offense?
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
How much longer can Holtmann possibly last?
EddieG
Good thing we signed Holtmann to a 3 year, $3.5mm/year contract extension last spring. All that means is they're less likely to get rid of him because of the higher buyout. Just awful!
tommyb
Realistically, with the transfer portal if you fire him this year, the team is decimated for at least four years akin to what happened to IU when Kelvin Sampson got canned. As a Holtmann apologist, this game made me eat crow. He doesn’t seem to coach in-game, his defensive coach is completely disengaged and his players don’t listen to him, but if you fire him mid season you lose the young kids who may not have bought in and the recruiting class goes to shit. I’d rather be middling for two years, get rid of him thoughtfully, than set the program back 4-6 years, and this group will be even more miserable than they already are.
@costinjr- they don't listen to him I agree. I said in the in game thread it was funny watching the timeouts where in one instance literally no one was looking at him or paying any attention.
Holtmann should change his name to Garcia's Bitch! Seriously, HOW to you leave their BEST player all alone at the top of the key the WHOLE game??
Remember how having Suing back and healthy for this year was going to make all the difference. It seems that is what some supporters of Holtmann said before the season started. Well, he is back and what a difference. The losing continues and it is a new way every game. The only constant is worst coach in the Big 10. Holtmann.
I seen him make one foul shot..other than that he couldn't buy a bucket..
Holtmann says all game long...."Common guys", "we need a stop here", "you gotta play thru it", "Let's go"
That's a cheerleader not a coach.
Fat Lady is warming up.
Why does so many posts say how he is a good recruiter???? Ok this years class has/will have quality to play near the top of the league. Other class that I call good was Liddell's. But EJ was the only one that stuck. The rest of the classes in his 6 years are not ones that will get you to the top of the conference. His best year was his first with Thad's kids. Not ready to bail on him yet but this is not going anywhere.
He has two top 5 national recruiting classes back to back
I'm in the same boat, especially because if this is true then it's just even more of an indictment on his poor coaching. And the fact that he hasn't gotten a SINGLE competent big man in 6 years is inexcusable. Watching these undersized teams year after year is getting tiring.
Duane Washington, EJ Lidell, Malika Branham and Brice Sensabaugh would like a word with you. Most schools don't have ANY players drafted in decades..
Proverbs 14:15
The simple believe anything, but the prudent give thought to their steps.
Obviously we didn't play well, especially Brice, but it's still fucking bullshit that the refs just handed them the game in so many crucial instances.
Brady Hoke-like.
GO lady buckeyes.
Bad shooting nights happen to every team, but these guys looked flat from the opening jump. The offense seemed to regress to the first two weeks of the season, when they were leaning on talent alone to get through those first three cupcakes. Unorganized, lifeless basketball lacking in creativity. The frustration of the players was visible and the whole thing was ugly to watch. I didn't see any sense of urgency from the bench at any point.
And yes, that was a clean block at the end, a bad call to top of a number of them tonight. But we shouldn't have been in the position and we absolutely deserved to lose. Just awful.
Bottom-dweller beats Holtmann-coached Buckeyes. News at 11.
I called for an end to this turd-fest era 2 years ago. Nice to see some of you finally coming around. Let Holtmann finish the season and then can his ass.
I solved my basketball worries. After that last good Matta team with Lighty and Diebler that played hard and sound basketball, I just accepted that we are a football school and if basketball is good, that’s nice, and if not well then I read a book or watch a movie and get ready for spring training baseball. It’s one of the better life decisions I made in the last decade. Do you think they really care at Kentucky or Kansas that their football teams started 5-0 and ended 7-6. They don’t care because those are BASKETBALL schools. We don’t need to care about Holtmann because we are a FOOTBALL school.
Michael
No reason not to be excellent at both. Only reason it happens is because it’s tolerated. Stop going to the games. Empty seats and lost $$$ will bring change.
Indiana is just Ohio West
Dear Chief, Well there is a reason not to be excellent at both - because we are a football school. I will wait silently over here humming the Final Jeopardy theme while you identify the schools that are great at football and basketball. Like a unicorn or a dodo, you can't find one. And strike that, it's not about just being great. It's about the narrative around your school. Kentucky and Duke and North Carolina and Kansas are basketball schools. Nobody disputes that - they have earned it over a generation or more. Alabama and Georgia and Clemson and Ohio State are football schools. Do all of these schools have good to great teams in other sports on a regular or semi-regular basis - yes, sort of. Does anybody in the sports universe sit around and wonder how the Alabama basketball team is going to do next year. Not one. Is everybody wondering what Saban is going to do after missing the CFP this season - yeah, millions do. And why do they do that? Because Alabama is a football school, and so is the Ohio State University.
Michael
Ohio State has the 12th best basketball program all time.
That has nothing to do with whether we’ve won 8 NCs in football or zero or 25 synchronized swimming championships or zero.
I am going to choose NOT to hang my basketball hat on 1960-1962. We laugh our asses off at ttun because their last undisputed national championship was in 1948. Pointing to 1960 and thumping our chest is equally pointless. And does it FEEL like we have the 12th best basketball program of all time? Whatever that means I'm not feeling it.
I will stand by my point that we are a football school. Because we are.
Michael
Matta used to say it but now it’s happening to Holtmann.
”his asshole is tightening up.”
Michael
Only thing that will get Coach fired is if this years freshman bolt the program and next years class starts decommitting. What a shame what’s going on here!
I posted after last game. No urgency, intensity, or on court leadership. Same today. Who is to blame? Half court defense stepped it up with 5 to go, played aggressive, saw a chance to win. Where was it the other 35 minutes. Who is to blame? I have been critical of Holtman, but the players also need to step it up. Play to win instead of trying to get theirs
John
Not getting easier at Rutgers and then at Nebraska. Then home vs Iowa and then at Illinois and at Indiana. All winnable but this team just lost at home to Minnesota.
OSU could realistically lose the next five games or four of the five.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
With Holtmann and his lack of leadership, every game is losable.
Official attendance: 11,202. Looks like the players are not the only ones not excited about the game.
Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.
No way in hell 11,000 were in that building. No way.
The second top 5 recruiting class is still in HS. Up until recently his recruiting has been sub par if you want to compete for league titles. I took 5 years to get a good class together. Most of upperclassmen is transfers. His inability to get better players in here before now has hurt, especially a big man.
Fuzz this is not the same as football. Matta got Oden and Conley when IU was in the dumps between coaches. His other class was all Ohio guys. Typically if OH HS basketball is good. So is osu. We’ve never recruited out of state well except for one or two players per class
I'm not part of the fire-the-bum contingent, but with each game, I'm one step closer. The steps are getting bigger too. I've only held out because his last two recruiting classes have been very good, despite not getting a big man. But from a tactical viewpoint, he is average.
OSUAlumInAZ
Not comparing it to football...go back and write down every recruit Holt has brought in since he arrived here. I look at that list of players, some who never panned out, some left left early, and some that were good, but you think about how their abilities as players and I feel his first issue has been recruiting a player good enough to give him a chance to play for league titles. This years freshmen, yes they are good and should compete in years to come. And yes he has a nice class coming in next year. Still not sold on his ability to coach at this level either.
Any basketball coaches in the portal by chance?
About the same quality of most of the football players in the portal!
What a fitting photo on the lead up Sensabaugh taking a contested shot! As he shot 32% 8-21 from the floor again for 2 straight games Seuing was a little worse at 31% 4-15 from the floor. Holtman needs to peel some paint off the locker room and tell these super stars that contested shots are BAD SHOTS!!
Sueing misses NUMEROUS shots inside THREE FEET, EVERY game.
Where are all the Holtmann stans at today? This team sucks.
Ohio Against the World
Holtmann gonna Holtmann.... different year, same results.
Please,please Gene Smith before you retire. Dump Holtmann. Buckeye basketball can be relevant again with the a good coach to lead it. I want to see a team that is solid in fundamentals and has a real game plan and desire to win. If you have those things it can make up for not having a team of 5 star talent. OSU will never beat the blue bloods for talent but the talent it has now will get the job done with a coach that knows his shit. Holtmann is really outclassed and should be back at a lower level coaching. This team is floundering again as all his teams do in January. It is the time of year when the cupcakes are gone and it is all Big 10 teams and REAL coaching and tactics are needed to win. So what if we lose some of these guys in transfer. It may happen anyways the direction the team is headed. Get this boat going the right direction because it is taking on water now.