While that shot should not have technically counted, there was a missed foul prior to the shot that should have been called setting up OSU to at least tie the score I believe. The entire game was a refereeing crapshow.
Players need to play better and Holtmann needs to get a clue. What coach constantly tells his players, "We need a stop here guys"? What a genius idea coach, glad you figured it out since nobody else knew that. Go coach a grade school team since you add nothing at the college level.
Sueing needs to step up and lead by example on the floor. Most of the time he plays like he could give two shits and then there are times he plays like an All Big 10 player.
Sueing needs to step up and lead by example on the floor. Most of the time he plays like he could give two shits and then there are times he plays like an All Big 10 player.
this right here...it's hard to believe he's been in the program for SIX YEARS now, and still hasn't figured it out.
I don't like the sounds of those remarks. This is TOSU, no excuses. A team is the reflection of the coaching staff, so the coach builds the character, not a loss. They aren't playing well enough, but more importantly, they aren't playing smart enough. Good strategy will win games with the talent level of this team, and Holtmann has been out-coached quite a bit this season. Especially the last 4 games. They have been sloppy with the ball at times, and need to clean that up. Get those rebounds too. A few more second-chance shots would be nice, so gotta get those rebounds. They must get these issues figured out real soon, or it could be a very long rest of the season.
Here's the problem....you've got your best freshman class in years, your best transfer portal haul to date, the conference is down (don't tell me it's a great conference, only 2 teams are currently ranked) and yet here we are AGAIN. You're starting to see OSU left out of the brackets too...namely Jerry Palm's latest which doesn't even have OSU as a First Four Out level team.
It's just not getting better. Hell, it's getting worse.
Once again Shookster has it right. The conference is way down and this was Holtmann's chance to sneak in ahead of the crowd. WRONG! He has them right where they always are at this point. Staggering and looking lost. At this point I regretfully say I want them to totally collapse towards the bottom and let Gene Smith have to make a decision to go all in or fold em up. Sueing's best step forward is his spot on the bench.
In Big Ten play, Holtmann has lost to teams that ultimately won 15 or fewer games at the following rate:
2018-19: 3 losses (Rutgers, NW, Illinois)
2019-20: 2 losses (Minn x2)
2020-21: 3 losses (NW, Minn, MSU)
2021-22: 3 losses (Maryland, Nebraska, PSU)
Between 2006 and 2016, Matta lost to 3 such teams TOTAL. 2008 Iowa and Michigan and 2010 at Michigan when ET was out with his hurt back. He also had one such loss with his first squad and two with his awful final team.
The last time pre-Holtmann OSU lost to 3 Big Ten teams that failed to win 15 games was 1994-95 during the dark days under Ayers. (Even the horrendous 1997 and 1998 teams managed to go 2-2 and 1-2 against such teams).
Holtmann is 28-11 against Big Ten teams that fail to win more than 15 games. Matta went 58-6 against such teams.
This isn't a 2022-23 team issue. This is a Holtmann issue. His teams are underprepared and uninspired against teams that should be relatively easy wins. This year's loss against Minnesota will certainly be another tally. The Maryland loss could wind up as one as well.
Part of me says, what do you expect them to say. The other part of me just rolls my eyes. Bottom line in life, no matter what the arena, winners get it done more often than not, and losers talk about it. How is blowing another close game a step forward lol
You wanna know why you are losing close games, you aren't getting to the foul line and getting easy points, in conference play OSU has attempted 85 free throws while the opponent has attempted 111. That is an average of four per game. Only Sueing has been to the foul line more than 20 times in conference games.
Thornton is in a bad shooting slump, making 31% from the floor in league play, Sensabaugh had just four assists with 13 turnovers in league play, Zed has two assists and nine turnovers,
Sensabaugh and McNeil are shooting a combined 50% from three, taking about half the shots, they need to exploit this part of the game especially if they are not getting to the foul line.
Our game winning shot play calls (UNC, Purdue, at Rutgers) aren't even getting the ball inside of the 3-point arc. Brice taking that shot against Rutgers wasn't a one-off. Holtmann doesn't have a screen play that gets an open look. I just watched Purdue and MSU execute down the stretch this afternoon and the contrast in late game sets Izzo and Painter generate vs. those Holtmann (doesn't) generate are startling.
Even back when Duane Washington was here, our game winning attempts were always a desperation 1:1 drive or a forced 3.
- Against UNC, The play was to get Sensabaugh the ball going down hill and get into the lane for a pull up. He hit about a 12 footer with 3 seconds left to put us up 2.
- Against Purdue, the play was for Brice to come off a screen with the anticipation that Edey would collapse which he did. Brice would have the option to take the 3 or drive for a pull up. Thornton after dribbling left, turned and dribbled toward Sensabaugh bringing his defender with him which blew everything up. Bruce didn't execute correctly. Sensabaugh also didn't execute correctly as he didn't wait for Okpara to get to him with the screen, so the screen didn't occur as wide as it was supposed to, again bringing the defenders closer together.
- Against Rutgers, Holtmann chose to put the ball in his best players hands instead of calling a TO and allowing the defense to set. We had run two sets for Key late in the game after time outs and he missed both of them from each block. He was yelling at Brice to drive the ball to get fouled or go to his pull up. Brice made the choice to take a 26 footer, not the coaches.
Dont know what you are referring to against UNC. The play was drawn up for Sensabaugh, he hit the go ahead shot with 2.1.
Purdue was a disaster. As stated, it was poor execution, not poor design.
Most coaches in the country at the end of a tie game will put the ball in the hands of their best playmaker/player and let them go. The reasoning is you want to take the last shot with about 3 seconds left so you have a chance for a rebound, but the other team has no time if you miss. If you try to run a play to get a shot with 3 seconds and the defense defends your first option, you end up with a bad shot or no shot at all. Fair enough if you don't like it, but thats what the vast majority of coaches in college and the NBA will do.
Purdue was a disaster. As stated, it was poor execution, not poor design.
I really don’t know who was at fault for it, but obviously something didn’t go right or someone wasn’t in the right spot. The Purdue end of game was catastrophic. You had two Buckeye players on the three point arc away from Sueing, who was being doubled. Someone has to go get the ball from him or Sueing should have never picked up his dribble at the top of the arc, and actually could have moved towards the basket. Just very dumb basketball IQ.
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In the mic'd up game we saw many times where the players were disengaged in the huddle during time outs, too bad we don't have video and audio to see if the players were really paying attention to what was being called in the huddle. We don't know if it was poor play design, bad execution or great defense that blew up the play on the court.
If you try to run a play to get a shot with 3 seconds and the defense defends your first option, you end up with a bad shot or no shot at all.
Funny, because Matt Painter and Tom Izzo both managed to execute great plays in only a few seconds yesterday with the game on the line in their final possession. Purdue converted for the lead, MSU missed a 3 but had a decent look for only 1.8 seconds remaining. Running a play doesn't preclude you from getting the ball in the hands of the best player - it simply generates a likely open look for that player.
Purdue was losing and didn't hold for the last shot. They ran a play for their best player who is a big who requires the ball to be passed to him in the post and can't run isolation.
MSU was running a designed play that they ( and every team practices) for late game situations with 1,3, 5 seconds left and the full court to travel.
I'll say it again since it seems it wasn't understood. When the score is tied, you want to take the last shot at a very specific time that gives you a chance to get a put back, but doesn't give the other team enough time to score in case you miss (roughly with 3-4 seconds left). IF you run a play for the person you want to take that shot and the defense takes it away, you now only have a few seconds to get off a shot and its typically not a good one. This is why most coaches when in the situation of a tie game, will isolate their best player because its easier to control when the shot will be taken and guarantee that you have your best player taking that shot.
Fair enough you disagree. Doesn't mean there is one solution and that either is wrong.
All I’m saying is Holtmann’s last possession isn’t working for him. We’ve got 3 examples from this year alone. It was no different when he had Washington Jr. forcing a drive (at NW was one example) or Liddell settling for a long jumper up top after 1:1.
Whether tied or down, Holtmann doesn’t have sets that are generating game-winning quality shot looks for the Bucks.
Lebron James has something like a 12% success rate when attempting a game winning or game tying shot in the last 5 seconds of a game. He and his coaches must really suck.
There have been plenty of successful last second plays under Holtmann. Some the players made, some they missed (Washington had a play run for him where he missed a layup, then a few games latter same play he made the layup). Just because a player missed the shot or didn't execute it properly doesn't mean it wasn't a good play.
Well, Sueing or Sensabaugh will never be mistaken for LeBron. And just because LeBron takes those stupid dribble-dribble-dribble-dribble, fake drive, jump back off balance three and makes some of them doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for a college coach to watch his players do it. This isn’t the NBA.
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
Sensabaugh only 13 TO's in six Big Ten games is actually not all that bad, considering how much he handles the ball, drives to the bucket. Low assist numbers because he's now the #1 scoring option and isn't looking to pass unless stopped.
Losing in OT is actually TWO steps forward. Losing in regulation is ONE step forward. That's because it's a "Quality" loss, and the games just mean more!
Oops! Sorry, I must have gotten lost on my way to the SEC and ended up here.
. “As far as a player-led locker room, it’s our responsibility to make sure that guys are able to move on, able to continue to push and make sure that we’re continuing to get better so that when it comes down to those final possessions, we’ll see growth in the games to come.”
ok, good someone is taking responsibility. Ok Justice, you and Zed then are not doing your jobs leadership wise. What are you going to do about it and secondly, do you have the clout in the locker room to do anything about it??
I'm done with Holtmann. He is not developing a team worthy of OSU and what it could/should be. One-and-Done players are a reality of the game now. While Holtmann can recruit them, the system he puts them in is sub-par. Time for change.
Alcohol will not solve any of your problems, but then again, neither will milk or water.
Thornton also has only 6 AST to go with 6 TOs. Sueing has 10 TOs and only 17 boards (Brice also has 10 TOs but 33 boards).
I would like to see Holden take Ice's time and play closer to 30/game, Gayle should take some of McNeill's minutes and the offense needs to either push in transition or get Thornton going to the basket more where he can dish. 1.5 AST per game for the PG playing 30 minutes seems absurd, he should be at least twice that. As a team you've got 31 AST and 40 TOs in the last 4 games, which is atrocious.
Blah Blah Blah.....he's laughing all the way to the bank! I'll never attend another game until improvements are made for both basketball and football teams.
To those that say Holtmann can’t coach…I know you are wiser than those sports writers that rank him higher and AD’s that pursue him. So grateful to have your wisdom after every game. To those that compare coaches and eras, remember the times are different. There are more Big Ten teams now. More travel. More games closer together. It’s not as easy to just compare wins and loses when you’re working with 18-21 year old young men. Hoping we can support them all in the coming games instead of excited to be critical at every move or perceived mishap.
Coaches get paid a lot of money. Players who are under the tutelage of said coach have a job to do on and off the court. Holtmann seems to recruit pretty good kids so I give him credit for that. But he also gets paid to win games. He struggles mightily in that sense. I don’t think this is shocking information. As far as the players, they either buy into what the coach is telling them or they don’t. If they buy into it, I think you’d see better results on the floor, especially at the end of these games. When the team (including the guy in charge, Holtmann) appears to lose several games in similar fashion, they don’t learn from their previous mistakes. There’s a disconnect somewhere.
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
To those that say Holtmann can’t coach…I know you are wiser than those sports writers that rank him higher and AD’s that pursue him. So grateful to have your wisdom after every game. To those that compare coaches and eras, remember the times are different. There are more Big Ten teams now. More travel. More games closer together. It’s not as easy to just compare wins and loses when you’re working with 18-21 year old young men. Hoping we can support them all in the coming games instead of excited to be critical at every move or perceived mishap.
Been in his corner for long time I can list the positives but the reality is look at the results . End of game coaching has been below average at best . We play so much isolation ball it based on score yourself off the bounce . We set zero screens and sadly it’s one of his better teams . There is more too list but it’s already been mention the time has come for change . There so hard to watch I only do it out of loyalty but we’re just wasting time 6 years is enough.
Teams that play iso ball or high screen roll sets for the first 39:50 of a game aren't going to suddenly start moving around off the ball or running through a series of screens the last 10 seconds of a game and do it well.
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The players need to play better and the coaches need to coach better. Holtmann needs to figure it out and quick.
So what you're saying is that, aside from coaching and playing, we're in pretty good shape? :P
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Good news! We can only go up in the standings. Probably……
That should have been their 2nd loss to the Scarlet Knights. If you can't beat Rutgers in the Big 10, who are you going to beat?
JI row end 78
Rutgers is currently in 2 nd place in the B1G….
Steve Pikiell (sp?) has done a tremendous job in New Jersey
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Yeah! But why look up stats that won't fit your narrative.
Meanwhile, Maryland is 1-3 in their last 4 games. Any guesses to what team was their one win?
While that shot should not have technically counted, there was a missed foul prior to the shot that should have been called setting up OSU to at least tie the score I believe. The entire game was a refereeing crapshow.
the Rutgers game was a 'step forward'? Surely you jest...
GO BUCKEYES!
1-2 sucks!
So great to see us finally take that "step forward" under Holtmann!
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
I guess we are already at the point where Ohio State men’s basketball is counting moral victories. How the mighty have fallen.
OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!
we countin' moral victories now - to unranked opponents?
Players need to play better and Holtmann needs to get a clue. What coach constantly tells his players, "We need a stop here guys"? What a genius idea coach, glad you figured it out since nobody else knew that. Go coach a grade school team since you add nothing at the college level.
Sueing needs to step up and lead by example on the floor. Most of the time he plays like he could give two shits and then there are times he plays like an All Big 10 player.
this right here...it's hard to believe he's been in the program for SIX YEARS now, and still hasn't figured it out.
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
To be fair, sueing has been in the program for 4 years. He’s been in college for 6 (2 years at Cal). Should be more consistent though.
you are correct, sir, thank you for the clarification
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
His performance in Hawaii tells us he is capable of much more. Bring that passion and fight every day, young man.
Played his ass off for his home fans.
And more than once.
Enough said.
The four-game losing streak isn't a "test" just for the players...take some responsibility, Holtmann.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Holtmannnnn is a sad excuse for a winning coach in a major conference!!
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I don't like the sounds of those remarks. This is TOSU, no excuses. A team is the reflection of the coaching staff, so the coach builds the character, not a loss. They aren't playing well enough, but more importantly, they aren't playing smart enough. Good strategy will win games with the talent level of this team, and Holtmann has been out-coached quite a bit this season. Especially the last 4 games. They have been sloppy with the ball at times, and need to clean that up. Get those rebounds too. A few more second-chance shots would be nice, so gotta get those rebounds. They must get these issues figured out real soon, or it could be a very long rest of the season.
Here's the problem....you've got your best freshman class in years, your best transfer portal haul to date, the conference is down (don't tell me it's a great conference, only 2 teams are currently ranked) and yet here we are AGAIN. You're starting to see OSU left out of the brackets too...namely Jerry Palm's latest which doesn't even have OSU as a First Four Out level team.
It's just not getting better. Hell, it's getting worse.
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Once again Shookster has it right. The conference is way down and this was Holtmann's chance to sneak in ahead of the crowd. WRONG! He has them right where they always are at this point. Staggering and looking lost. At this point I regretfully say I want them to totally collapse towards the bottom and let Gene Smith have to make a decision to go all in or fold em up. Sueing's best step forward is his spot on the bench.
In Big Ten play, Holtmann has lost to teams that ultimately won 15 or fewer games at the following rate:
2018-19: 3 losses (Rutgers, NW, Illinois)
2019-20: 2 losses (Minn x2)
2020-21: 3 losses (NW, Minn, MSU)
2021-22: 3 losses (Maryland, Nebraska, PSU)
Between 2006 and 2016, Matta lost to 3 such teams TOTAL. 2008 Iowa and Michigan and 2010 at Michigan when ET was out with his hurt back. He also had one such loss with his first squad and two with his awful final team.
The last time pre-Holtmann OSU lost to 3 Big Ten teams that failed to win 15 games was 1994-95 during the dark days under Ayers. (Even the horrendous 1997 and 1998 teams managed to go 2-2 and 1-2 against such teams).
Holtmann is 28-11 against Big Ten teams that fail to win more than 15 games. Matta went 58-6 against such teams.
This isn't a 2022-23 team issue. This is a Holtmann issue. His teams are underprepared and uninspired against teams that should be relatively easy wins. This year's loss against Minnesota will certainly be another tally. The Maryland loss could wind up as one as well.
Part of me says, what do you expect them to say. The other part of me just rolls my eyes. Bottom line in life, no matter what the arena, winners get it done more often than not, and losers talk about it. How is blowing another close game a step forward lol
You wanna know why you are losing close games, you aren't getting to the foul line and getting easy points, in conference play OSU has attempted 85 free throws while the opponent has attempted 111. That is an average of four per game. Only Sueing has been to the foul line more than 20 times in conference games.
Thornton is in a bad shooting slump, making 31% from the floor in league play, Sensabaugh had just four assists with 13 turnovers in league play, Zed has two assists and nine turnovers,
Sensabaugh and McNeil are shooting a combined 50% from three, taking about half the shots, they need to exploit this part of the game especially if they are not getting to the foul line.
Our game winning shot play calls (UNC, Purdue, at Rutgers) aren't even getting the ball inside of the 3-point arc. Brice taking that shot against Rutgers wasn't a one-off. Holtmann doesn't have a screen play that gets an open look. I just watched Purdue and MSU execute down the stretch this afternoon and the contrast in late game sets Izzo and Painter generate vs. those Holtmann (doesn't) generate are startling.
Even back when Duane Washington was here, our game winning attempts were always a desperation 1:1 drive or a forced 3.
What are you talking about?
- Against UNC, The play was to get Sensabaugh the ball going down hill and get into the lane for a pull up. He hit about a 12 footer with 3 seconds left to put us up 2.
- Against Purdue, the play was for Brice to come off a screen with the anticipation that Edey would collapse which he did. Brice would have the option to take the 3 or drive for a pull up. Thornton after dribbling left, turned and dribbled toward Sensabaugh bringing his defender with him which blew everything up. Bruce didn't execute correctly. Sensabaugh also didn't execute correctly as he didn't wait for Okpara to get to him with the screen, so the screen didn't occur as wide as it was supposed to, again bringing the defenders closer together.
- Against Rutgers, Holtmann chose to put the ball in his best players hands instead of calling a TO and allowing the defense to set. We had run two sets for Key late in the game after time outs and he missed both of them from each block. He was yelling at Brice to drive the ball to get fouled or go to his pull up. Brice made the choice to take a 26 footer, not the coaches.
UNC - I’m talking about the play that led to Key getting the ball in the corner beyond the 3 point arc.
Purdue - that play was a disaster
Rutgers - 1:1 is not a play
Watch Izzo and you’ll see the difference
Dont know what you are referring to against UNC. The play was drawn up for Sensabaugh, he hit the go ahead shot with 2.1.
Purdue was a disaster. As stated, it was poor execution, not poor design.
Most coaches in the country at the end of a tie game will put the ball in the hands of their best playmaker/player and let them go. The reasoning is you want to take the last shot with about 3 seconds left so you have a chance for a rebound, but the other team has no time if you miss. If you try to run a play to get a shot with 3 seconds and the defense defends your first option, you end up with a bad shot or no shot at all. Fair enough if you don't like it, but thats what the vast majority of coaches in college and the NBA will do.
I really don’t know who was at fault for it, but obviously something didn’t go right or someone wasn’t in the right spot. The Purdue end of game was catastrophic. You had two Buckeye players on the three point arc away from Sueing, who was being doubled. Someone has to go get the ball from him or Sueing should have never picked up his dribble at the top of the arc, and actually could have moved towards the basket. Just very dumb basketball IQ.
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
In the mic'd up game we saw many times where the players were disengaged in the huddle during time outs, too bad we don't have video and audio to see if the players were really paying attention to what was being called in the huddle. We don't know if it was poor play design, bad execution or great defense that blew up the play on the court.
Funny, because Matt Painter and Tom Izzo both managed to execute great plays in only a few seconds yesterday with the game on the line in their final possession. Purdue converted for the lead, MSU missed a 3 but had a decent look for only 1.8 seconds remaining. Running a play doesn't preclude you from getting the ball in the hands of the best player - it simply generates a likely open look for that player.
Purdue was losing and didn't hold for the last shot. They ran a play for their best player who is a big who requires the ball to be passed to him in the post and can't run isolation.
MSU was running a designed play that they ( and every team practices) for late game situations with 1,3, 5 seconds left and the full court to travel.
I'll say it again since it seems it wasn't understood. When the score is tied, you want to take the last shot at a very specific time that gives you a chance to get a put back, but doesn't give the other team enough time to score in case you miss (roughly with 3-4 seconds left). IF you run a play for the person you want to take that shot and the defense takes it away, you now only have a few seconds to get off a shot and its typically not a good one. This is why most coaches when in the situation of a tie game, will isolate their best player because its easier to control when the shot will be taken and guarantee that you have your best player taking that shot.
Fair enough you disagree. Doesn't mean there is one solution and that either is wrong.
All I’m saying is Holtmann’s last possession isn’t working for him. We’ve got 3 examples from this year alone. It was no different when he had Washington Jr. forcing a drive (at NW was one example) or Liddell settling for a long jumper up top after 1:1.
Whether tied or down, Holtmann doesn’t have sets that are generating game-winning quality shot looks for the Bucks.
Lebron James has something like a 12% success rate when attempting a game winning or game tying shot in the last 5 seconds of a game. He and his coaches must really suck.
There have been plenty of successful last second plays under Holtmann. Some the players made, some they missed (Washington had a play run for him where he missed a layup, then a few games latter same play he made the layup). Just because a player missed the shot or didn't execute it properly doesn't mean it wasn't a good play.
Just listen to Holtmann in the Minny game. Never has a coach said so much with absolutely zero substance. He is a nice guy but a terrible leader.
Well, Sueing or Sensabaugh will never be mistaken for LeBron. And just because LeBron takes those stupid dribble-dribble-dribble-dribble, fake drive, jump back off balance three and makes some of them doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for a college coach to watch his players do it. This isn’t the NBA.
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
Holtmann hasn't read the book yet.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Sensabaugh only 13 TO's in six Big Ten games is actually not all that bad, considering how much he handles the ball, drives to the bucket. Low assist numbers because he's now the #1 scoring option and isn't looking to pass unless stopped.
Sani
so if losing in OT was a step forward, would losing in regulation have been a step backward?
Losing in OT is actually TWO steps forward. Losing in regulation is ONE step forward. That's because it's a "Quality" loss, and the games just mean more!
Oops! Sorry, I must have gotten lost on my way to the SEC and ended up here.
. “As far as a player-led locker room, it’s our responsibility to make sure that guys are able to move on, able to continue to push and make sure that we’re continuing to get better so that when it comes down to those final possessions, we’ll see growth in the games to come.”
ok, good someone is taking responsibility. Ok Justice, you and Zed then are not doing your jobs leadership wise. What are you going to do about it and secondly, do you have the clout in the locker room to do anything about it??
All talk
Yeah yeah yeah we know the hatred you have for him. And you call yourself a fan
Yeah. You still always read my thoughts here and always post a senseless reply.
Actually, it is WELL documented.
Incongruous. Now look it up.
I'm done with Holtmann. He is not developing a team worthy of OSU and what it could/should be. One-and-Done players are a reality of the game now. While Holtmann can recruit them, the system he puts them in is sub-par. Time for change.
Alcohol will not solve any of your problems, but then again, neither will milk or water.
I know it's trivial, but when answering questions Holtman uses "UM" a lot.
"We're going to give the ball to dumb-ass and grind meat"--Woody Hayes
Holtmann and Matta used "um"s more than any coach I've heard in years.........
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
It is trivial. A lot of people do it
BTW coach.......Sueing isn't a PG...Please use Gayle Jr. more....and get Holden more game time.........your rotation stinks also.......
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
2-pt shooting percentage last 4 games:
Thornton also has only 6 AST to go with 6 TOs. Sueing has 10 TOs and only 17 boards (Brice also has 10 TOs but 33 boards).
I would like to see Holden take Ice's time and play closer to 30/game, Gayle should take some of McNeill's minutes and the offense needs to either push in transition or get Thornton going to the basket more where he can dish. 1.5 AST per game for the PG playing 30 minutes seems absurd, he should be at least twice that. As a team you've got 31 AST and 40 TOs in the last 4 games, which is atrocious.
OSU team ratio this season is 1.1-1.
Fifty players in all of NCAA basketball have a 3-1 ratio or higher, I'd settle for 2.928843-1.
Sani
Please may the next Chris Holtmann article state that he was fired.
Blah Blah Blah.....he's laughing all the way to the bank! I'll never attend another game until improvements are made for both basketball and football teams.
Holtmann
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
Problem is, he believes he’s worth every penny.
To those that say Holtmann can’t coach…I know you are wiser than those sports writers that rank him higher and AD’s that pursue him. So grateful to have your wisdom after every game. To those that compare coaches and eras, remember the times are different. There are more Big Ten teams now. More travel. More games closer together. It’s not as easy to just compare wins and loses when you’re working with 18-21 year old young men. Hoping we can support them all in the coming games instead of excited to be critical at every move or perceived mishap.
Coaches get paid a lot of money. Players who are under the tutelage of said coach have a job to do on and off the court. Holtmann seems to recruit pretty good kids so I give him credit for that. But he also gets paid to win games. He struggles mightily in that sense. I don’t think this is shocking information. As far as the players, they either buy into what the coach is telling them or they don’t. If they buy into it, I think you’d see better results on the floor, especially at the end of these games. When the team (including the guy in charge, Holtmann) appears to lose several games in similar fashion, they don’t learn from their previous mistakes. There’s a disconnect somewhere.
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
To those that say Holtmann can’t coach…I know you are wiser than those sports writers that rank him higher and AD’s that pursue him. So grateful to have your wisdom after every game. To those that compare coaches and eras, remember the times are different. There are more Big Ten teams now. More travel. More games closer together. It’s not as easy to just compare wins and loses when you’re working with 18-21 year old young men. Hoping we can support them all in the coming games instead of excited to be critical at every move or perceived mishap.
I honestly don't care. Hopefully we get firmly on track in 11 months and correct our crazy slump.
Oops / Sorry. Thought I was replying about Harbaugh.
Been in his corner for long time I can list the positives but the reality is look at the results . End of game coaching has been below average at best . We play so much isolation ball it based on score yourself off the bounce . We set zero screens and sadly it’s one of his better teams . There is more too list but it’s already been mention the time has come for change . There so hard to watch I only do it out of loyalty but we’re just wasting time 6 years is enough.
Teams that play iso ball or high screen roll sets for the first 39:50 of a game aren't going to suddenly start moving around off the ball or running through a series of screens the last 10 seconds of a game and do it well.