My thought exactly as I was reading the article. If he’s looking for a family atmosphere, and is already a Buckeye fan, this sounds promising. Let’s not let $ screw this up.
By all accounts the Brotherhood is real and very much family. If that's really what he's looking for, this bodes well for the Bucks.
Don't be naive and kid yourself. He's looking for bags of NIL cash. Gone are the days of commitments based on the brotherhood. Or players committing because they grew up fans of a school. Whoever is the highest bidder, that's where he'll end up.
Well, I won't downvote your opinion but I'm also not being naive. I really do believe the brotherhood is real. His reason for citing that as a factor? I'm not inclined to say. I'll just take it at face value and be hopeful. Go Bucks!
I was about 100 miles south of Bradenton last week, saw some IMG gear while out. Who’s bringing all these kids in to play high school football there? The school advertises as an elite athlete developer?
Gotta say the last year or so has sapped most of my interest in recruiting. It’s hard to maintain interest when commits who were commits for so long suddenly aren’t commits just before signing day and crystal balls get shattered by a pile of NIL cash in the final weeks. Whether you’re fine with the situation or not, it doesn’t seem like a good way to spend one’s fan time.
Bingo, recruiting is nothing to get excited about anymore. It has to be even more frustrating for coaching staffs. And even after signing day it is a day to day coddling to keep a player in the fold. This free agency is worse than the pros since there is no contracts involved and I hope it doesn't go there next.
I wonder what types of conversations are happening. On top of an already big deal, does say, 100K, more or less, move the needle in one school’s favor?
I never followed recruiting too closely. I got swept up in the TG saga and that was enough for me. I’ll follow the NIL drama from afar, just because I’m interested and a overall college football fan. But yeah, I can see how NIL has zapped the fun recruiting. Sure, this was going on before, but not at this level.
I have to admit this aspect you've brought up is making me take a few steps backwards on my recruiting interests. UFM said this NIL would be a game changer, and he was glad to retire when he did. I have a feeling these piles of cash you referred to will continue to affect OSU's recruiting bc the powers that be at OSU refuse to evolve.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
I've found myself getting far less excited when a top recruit says he has high interest in Ohio State. I'm not letting myself get stressed out over recruiting anymore.
I'm not seeing too much of a difference. OSU will still be a top 5 destination. We have our own NIL collectives. There is always the chance of a last minute flip for or against. I'd rather not have the guy chasing the money. Give me a 3-4 star with a chip on his shoulder.
'm not seeing too much of a difference. OSU will still be a top 5 destination. We have our own NIL collectives. There is always the chance of a last minute flip for or against. I'd rather not have the guy chasing the money. Give me a 3-4 star with a chip on his shoulder
All the 5-stars, i.e. best recruits in the nation will want cash for commitment. If you want to win a natty, 5-stars are essential. So what do we do here? Even high rated 4 stars will want cash. if we're going to build classes on lower rated 4-stars and 3-stars, then we need to be okay not competing for natty's.
We are the difference is we are a top 4 or 5 but we are used as a bargaining chip to raise the stakes like an auction. I want more or I will go to OSU even though they know he wants a pay day the chance of missing out still looms or even another team may raise the anti. I feel to stay even with the others we need to play along or miss out.
Ohio State cannot realistically expect to be nationally relevant building a team entirely of 3 and 4-star players who are far less talented. That turns us into Iowa (which we don't want). The standards here are the standards and in order to continue meeting them you need to pull your head out of your ass and get these top recruits in here, by any means necessary. If they're content with turning into an Iowa because they don't want to play the NIL game with recruits then just kill the program for good. It's not worth investing in mediocre football year after year because Ohio State won't take recruiting and NIL seriously anymore.
If the likes of Iowa and Northwestern have better NIL than we do every single fucking person involved with this program needs to answer for that and explain it. That's completely unacceptable for a program like Ohio State with all the resources they have at their disposal. If they truly value how much revenue this program brings into athletics (which they absolutely do) they'll get their damn shit together in regards to NIL. Stop trying to be fucking compliant with the NCAA when nobody else is. It's not benefiting OSU in any way. I get not liking the idea of paying $10 million in cash up front to a HS junior or senior who has yet to play a down of college ball for you (especially if that hyped player turns out to be the next D.J. Uiagalelei). Trust me, I don't care much for that either but that's the reality of recruiting now. If programs like NW and Iowa (which are content with being mid-major level and have been for years) are more willing to play ball with that than Ohio State is (with all the resources at their disposal) that's completely unacceptable.
I love LJ but everyone knows that he's nearing retirement. He's 70+ years old. You really think he has that much coaching left in him? Given all the recent failures we've had recruiting the D-line I think to a certain degree his uncertain longevity here is impacting that and the fact is we can't let it continue to impact us if we ever want to see the defense improve.
At some point this argument about retirement age will be true but it’s been talked about for atleast 5 years now. LJ is a smart dude so I’m sure he’ll know when he’s done and how it should be handled. Btw, the “heir apparent” at ol miss hasn’t brought in any dude we’d even want and he’s recruiting southern kids at a southern school. Careful what you wish for.
LJ is at a point in his career where if his age is starting to affect his ability to coach effectively then he needs to hang it up (though Ohio State will never force him to do that against his will obviously). And I'd argue to a certain extent it is. Player development on the D-line has not been as good here since Chase Young left. Harrison never developed into the player he was hyped to be when we recruited him and the D-line the last couple of years has had a bad tendency to get pushed around at the los against better teams (and they haven't done a great job of recruiting the interior D-line). It's a far cry now from where it was during the Bosa and Chase Young eras.
I know it’s standard language to say that the relationship is the most important thing in someone’s recruitment. However, I’d be willing to bet NIL is the single most significant factor, at least for the highly rated players.
If Ohio State isn't willing to compete with the likes of Michigan State for top recruits because of NIL they need to take a hard look in the mirror because that means they're not committed to keeping this program on top. Pull your heads out of your asses and get these kids here. We can't afford to keep missing on them.
The NCAA is a fucking joke and has been for a long, long time. These programs are handing out millions of dollars like money grows on trees. Wait, according to the Fed, it does! LOL. But seriously, expecting these 17-18 year old kids to be able to handle that kind of money with maturity and humility, and get a great return on that investment is laughable. It's like gambling with FTX. It will create serious locker room issues. It will tear programs apart. Not every 5-star athlete pans out. Some of these kids will transfer 2-3 times. I realize that college football generates a lot of cash for universities. I get it. But offering $10+ million to a high schooler? It's just BAT SHIT CRAZY. I cannot believe they signed this into law and don't have any guardrails or oversight on this.
Listen the schools and the Ncaa have nothing to do with NIL at least thats how it was designed it's between the player and whoever is offering the bag of cash and before you get down on the NCAA remember they were always against this perversion of amateurism on one hand you want the NCAA to disappear then you you want it to control things it was never designed to control ...make up your EFFING minds....
"Listen the schools have nothing to do with NIL at least thats how it was designed it's between the player and whoever is offering the bag of cash." Does anyone really believe that the schools are oblivious regarding NIL? Does anyone really believe GA, Bama, Miami are pulling in 5 stars simply because the NIL is negotiating with the athletes and the coaches stray clear? For Sale: Lake front property smack in the middle of the Gobi Desert.
I keep wondering when I read about these offers we are putting out why are we about the 20 or 30th school that has already offered and always behind Bama etc? I realize that being among the first few that offer does not guarantee anything but I would like to see us be among the first instead of way down the list. Are we slow to evaluate?
Offering a recruit means the school is willing to invest time and money from the recruiting budget into that player. That’s not a small decision. OSU prefers to offer ones that will show interest back by coming for a visit or a camp. OSU coaches prefer to see a player in person while some schools just go by 24/7 film. Now add in the fact that there are literally thousands of recruits. They can only focus on so many at a time.
As the NIL becomes even more and more ridiculous, we will not be talking about "recruit x has OSU in their top 5" anymore. We'll be hearing about the "deal" they got. National signing day, early signing day, etc will be a thing of the past. I read this morning about a Florida QB commit that decommited from Miami because he agreed to "a four year $13 million NIL deal with Florida." And now that deal has evidently "fallen through" and he looking to sue Florida. I mean WTF. $13 million for a 4 year deal?? That's four million MORE than Lamar Jackson's making in the NFL! Lamar's four year deal was $9,471,648. I'm sure other rookie QB contracts are similar, and this is an unproven HS QB. There's a BIG JUMP from HS to college, then college to NFL. These numbers are just ABSURD. Colleges just have to stop playing this game. It's a total waste of money. "Oh, you want us to put together an NIL deal for you? Sorry, we don't do that here. When you prove yourself on the field, you can make money off your NIL."
And now that deal has evidently "fallen through" and he looking to sue Florida.
That deal fell through because Florida was dishonest with him about it. As far as I'm concerned the more that kind of stuff happens with the southern schools the better. It means that even their NIL pool has limitations. The best thing we can hope for if Ohio State is too stubborn to adapt to NIL is for other schools to bungle their upfront NIL promises to recruits so badly like Florida did that the NCAA has no choice but to get involved and start actually regulating that.
TOSU in his top 2, yet you look at his 247 Sports profile, there are five teams listed, with MSU and Oklahoma the only teams listed as WARM under INTEREST. This seems to be a trend. GO BUCKS
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By all accounts the Brotherhood is real and very much family. If that's really what he's looking for, this bodes well for the Bucks.
My thought exactly as I was reading the article. If he’s looking for a family atmosphere, and is already a Buckeye fan, this sounds promising. Let’s not let $ screw this up.
Don't be naive and kid yourself. He's looking for bags of NIL cash. Gone are the days of commitments based on the brotherhood. Or players committing because they grew up fans of a school. Whoever is the highest bidder, that's where he'll end up.
You do realize hartline recruited his kids without the bag right…. So maybe some kids are still different.
Hartline's appeal is pro ready WR's at the next level. Ohio State has lost a step at some of those positions. That does have an impact.
We literally had multiple players in this class prove that wrong to different degrees. It’s getting harder but still possible
Well, I won't downvote your opinion but I'm also not being naive. I really do believe the brotherhood is real. His reason for citing that as a factor? I'm not inclined to say. I'll just take it at face value and be hopeful. Go Bucks!
The talent IMG puts on the field every year... Pretty amazing.
Let's keep building those trenches!
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I was about 100 miles south of Bradenton last week, saw some IMG gear while out. Who’s bringing all these kids in to play high school football there? The school advertises as an elite athlete developer?
I believe it started as a tennis and golf school then expanded from there.
Gotta say the last year or so has sapped most of my interest in recruiting. It’s hard to maintain interest when commits who were commits for so long suddenly aren’t commits just before signing day and crystal balls get shattered by a pile of NIL cash in the final weeks. Whether you’re fine with the situation or not, it doesn’t seem like a good way to spend one’s fan time.
Bingo, recruiting is nothing to get excited about anymore. It has to be even more frustrating for coaching staffs. And even after signing day it is a day to day coddling to keep a player in the fold. This free agency is worse than the pros since there is no contracts involved and I hope it doesn't go there next.
I wonder what types of conversations are happening. On top of an already big deal, does say, 100K, more or less, move the needle in one school’s favor?
I never followed recruiting too closely. I got swept up in the TG saga and that was enough for me. I’ll follow the NIL drama from afar, just because I’m interested and a overall college football fan. But yeah, I can see how NIL has zapped the fun recruiting. Sure, this was going on before, but not at this level.
I season my simple food with hunger
I have to admit this aspect you've brought up is making me take a few steps backwards on my recruiting interests. UFM said this NIL would be a game changer, and he was glad to retire when he did. I have a feeling these piles of cash you referred to will continue to affect OSU's recruiting bc the powers that be at OSU refuse to evolve.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
I've found myself getting far less excited when a top recruit says he has high interest in Ohio State. I'm not letting myself get stressed out over recruiting anymore.
Even when they verbal it means nothing!
I'm not seeing too much of a difference. OSU will still be a top 5 destination. We have our own NIL collectives. There is always the chance of a last minute flip for or against. I'd rather not have the guy chasing the money. Give me a 3-4 star with a chip on his shoulder.
N High St. was my playground
All the 5-stars, i.e. best recruits in the nation will want cash for commitment. If you want to win a natty, 5-stars are essential. So what do we do here? Even high rated 4 stars will want cash. if we're going to build classes on lower rated 4-stars and 3-stars, then we need to be okay not competing for natty's.
When in Rome...
We are the difference is we are a top 4 or 5 but we are used as a bargaining chip to raise the stakes like an auction. I want more or I will go to OSU even though they know he wants a pay day the chance of missing out still looms or even another team may raise the anti. I feel to stay even with the others we need to play along or miss out.
Denny
Ohio State cannot realistically expect to be nationally relevant building a team entirely of 3 and 4-star players who are far less talented. That turns us into Iowa (which we don't want). The standards here are the standards and in order to continue meeting them you need to pull your head out of your ass and get these top recruits in here, by any means necessary. If they're content with turning into an Iowa because they don't want to play the NIL game with recruits then just kill the program for good. It's not worth investing in mediocre football year after year because Ohio State won't take recruiting and NIL seriously anymore.
11 Strong.
It is possible that Iowa has a better nil program than we do. I would not want to believe it but feel like we are really,really far behind in nil.
If the likes of Iowa and Northwestern have better NIL than we do every single fucking person involved with this program needs to answer for that and explain it. That's completely unacceptable for a program like Ohio State with all the resources they have at their disposal. If they truly value how much revenue this program brings into athletics (which they absolutely do) they'll get their damn shit together in regards to NIL. Stop trying to be fucking compliant with the NCAA when nobody else is. It's not benefiting OSU in any way. I get not liking the idea of paying $10 million in cash up front to a HS junior or senior who has yet to play a down of college ball for you (especially if that hyped player turns out to be the next D.J. Uiagalelei). Trust me, I don't care much for that either but that's the reality of recruiting now. If programs like NW and Iowa (which are content with being mid-major level and have been for years) are more willing to play ball with that than Ohio State is (with all the resources at their disposal) that's completely unacceptable.
11 Strong.
Lots more like this. Lots.
Please don't miss on this one, PLEASE!
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
I want to see “BOOMS” on the defensive side.
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
Give Larry Johnson his retirement papers.
Seriously? Recruits STILL see LJ as the GOAT. And you say: "give him his retirement papers"? You probably never played a single down of football, huh?
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I love LJ but everyone knows that he's nearing retirement. He's 70+ years old. You really think he has that much coaching left in him? Given all the recent failures we've had recruiting the D-line I think to a certain degree his uncertain longevity here is impacting that and the fact is we can't let it continue to impact us if we ever want to see the defense improve.
11 Strong.
At some point this argument about retirement age will be true but it’s been talked about for atleast 5 years now. LJ is a smart dude so I’m sure he’ll know when he’s done and how it should be handled. Btw, the “heir apparent” at ol miss hasn’t brought in any dude we’d even want and he’s recruiting southern kids at a southern school. Careful what you wish for.
LJ is at a point in his career where if his age is starting to affect his ability to coach effectively then he needs to hang it up (though Ohio State will never force him to do that against his will obviously). And I'd argue to a certain extent it is. Player development on the D-line has not been as good here since Chase Young left. Harrison never developed into the player he was hyped to be when we recruited him and the D-line the last couple of years has had a bad tendency to get pushed around at the los against better teams (and they haven't done a great job of recruiting the interior D-line). It's a far cry now from where it was during the Bosa and Chase Young eras.
11 Strong.
Good leverage for as tall as he is. Please sign him.
I know it’s standard language to say that the relationship is the most important thing in someone’s recruitment. However, I’d be willing to bet NIL is the single most significant factor, at least for the highly rated players.
I season my simple food with hunger
Cool, we made the top 2 for every other DE last cycle too and none of them are on the team.
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Over it
We ought to beat out Oklahoma and msu till bama or Georgia offer
Wouldn’t count in that, Oklahoma and MSU are both offering upfront money to sign.
If Ohio State isn't willing to compete with the likes of Michigan State for top recruits because of NIL they need to take a hard look in the mirror because that means they're not committed to keeping this program on top. Pull your heads out of your asses and get these kids here. We can't afford to keep missing on them.
11 Strong.
So......who's offering the most money for him?
I can't believe that that's what I have to wonder about now in recruiting. I absolutely hate this shit.
BOATS and HOES.
Agreed. I'm all on board with NIL as it was originally intended. But cash for commitment is bullshit. The NCAA is content doing nothing about it.
Yepp.. really making college football less interesting that's for sure..
The NCAA is a fucking joke and has been for a long, long time. These programs are handing out millions of dollars like money grows on trees. Wait, according to the Fed, it does! LOL. But seriously, expecting these 17-18 year old kids to be able to handle that kind of money with maturity and humility, and get a great return on that investment is laughable. It's like gambling with FTX. It will create serious locker room issues. It will tear programs apart. Not every 5-star athlete pans out. Some of these kids will transfer 2-3 times. I realize that college football generates a lot of cash for universities. I get it. But offering $10+ million to a high schooler? It's just BAT SHIT CRAZY. I cannot believe they signed this into law and don't have any guardrails or oversight on this.
BOATS and HOES.
A 9-0 Supreme Court ruling tends to blunt the desire to have restrictions or guardrails.
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
Listen the schools and the Ncaa have nothing to do with NIL at least thats how it was designed it's between the player and whoever is offering the bag of cash and before you get down on the NCAA remember they were always against this perversion of amateurism on one hand you want the NCAA to disappear then you you want it to control things it was never designed to control ...make up your EFFING minds....
Let's get both Stone and Jackson so they can form a wall on the defensive line and we can call it Stone(wall) Jackson.
"Listen the schools have nothing to do with NIL at least thats how it was designed it's between the player and whoever is offering the bag of cash." Does anyone really believe that the schools are oblivious regarding NIL? Does anyone really believe GA, Bama, Miami are pulling in 5 stars simply because the NIL is negotiating with the athletes and the coaches stray clear? For Sale: Lake front property smack in the middle of the Gobi Desert.
I keep wondering when I read about these offers we are putting out why are we about the 20 or 30th school that has already offered and always behind Bama etc? I realize that being among the first few that offer does not guarantee anything but I would like to see us be among the first instead of way down the list. Are we slow to evaluate?
Offering a recruit means the school is willing to invest time and money from the recruiting budget into that player. That’s not a small decision. OSU prefers to offer ones that will show interest back by coming for a visit or a camp. OSU coaches prefer to see a player in person while some schools just go by 24/7 film. Now add in the fact that there are literally thousands of recruits. They can only focus on so many at a time.
As the NIL becomes even more and more ridiculous, we will not be talking about "recruit x has OSU in their top 5" anymore. We'll be hearing about the "deal" they got. National signing day, early signing day, etc will be a thing of the past. I read this morning about a Florida QB commit that decommited from Miami because he agreed to "a four year $13 million NIL deal with Florida." And now that deal has evidently "fallen through" and he looking to sue Florida. I mean WTF. $13 million for a 4 year deal?? That's four million MORE than Lamar Jackson's making in the NFL! Lamar's four year deal was $9,471,648. I'm sure other rookie QB contracts are similar, and this is an unproven HS QB. There's a BIG JUMP from HS to college, then college to NFL. These numbers are just ABSURD. Colleges just have to stop playing this game. It's a total waste of money. "Oh, you want us to put together an NIL deal for you? Sorry, we don't do that here. When you prove yourself on the field, you can make money off your NIL."
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
That deal fell through because Florida was dishonest with him about it. As far as I'm concerned the more that kind of stuff happens with the southern schools the better. It means that even their NIL pool has limitations. The best thing we can hope for if Ohio State is too stubborn to adapt to NIL is for other schools to bungle their upfront NIL promises to recruits so badly like Florida did that the NCAA has no choice but to get involved and start actually regulating that.
11 Strong.
TOSU in his top 2, yet you look at his 247 Sports profile, there are five teams listed, with MSU and Oklahoma the only teams listed as WARM under INTEREST. This seems to be a trend. GO BUCKS