Your record of picking QB's is not very accomplished, lol The only reason it goes to Fall Camp is to keep Brown happy, McCord is the more polished QB and has been in the system 2 full yrs!
I'm gonna watch it play out... Sometimes polished doesn't equate to who gives you a better chance to win.... Leadership, instinct, athleticism comes into play as well.
I would think that Brown has a at least a 50% shot to be named QB1. He has similar arm talent to Kyle but has a few more intangibles when it comes to pulling it down and making magic happen.
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Maybe we should let them play this one out. IMO, this one is not a spring competition it is a two plus year tournament and they will be on top of each other making sure that the production of the position is where it needs to be for the team.
And here we go. It's not going to be the Hatfield's vs. the McCoy's on the 11W comment boards till next season, it's gonna be the Brown's vs. the McCord's. And it's going to be SO annoying. McCord is Super Marv's HS QB. He's a Sophomore going into his Jr. season. He's got a year more in the OSU program than Brown. I firmly believe that he's earned the starting job. That said, I 100% trust Day and Hartline's judgement and so should we all. Let us not repeat a Stroud vs. McCord or Jones vs. Barrett soap opera. We'll be just fine with any of these QB's, including Lincoln. Whomever it is just needs to bring it and lead the team and WIN.
Your name says it all.. Stanley Jackson. Just based on that --a former OSU QB who was known more for completions to the that other team-- you should probably refrain from posting.
Who are you to say what either has earned? When do they earn something? When they play in front of fans in the fall? These two guys are going through practice, going through film study, they are going to class. Just because they haven't played a ton of meaningful snaps on gameday has nothing to do with whether they have earned the starting job. I am sure their teammates have a completely different opinion than you do of whether they have earned anything.
I have to disagree respectfully. You do not simply "earn" the spot just because you've been here longer sitting on the bench. I am a firm believer you don't lose your spot due to injury. Just as much as I believe you eat what you kill. It's time for these guys to get out there and hunt. The feeding will happen starting September 2nd for the one who supplied the kill.
Spoken like a true redneck. Not saying you are one.. but that's something Uncle Jethro would say, while trying to equate the great sport of hunting with a high powered rifle, to the sport of football.
They haven't just been "sitting on the bench". They have been practicing, studying film, going to class, hitting the weight room, and building a rapport with their teammates. You are not the arbiter of what it means to "earn" the starting spot.
Yep, arguing over who should start when none of us know anything about these two other than some high school tape. That being said, looking forward to the Spring Game. The QB competition will be good for the program.
Girding for the 11W commenter debate! The two even look alike in the picture! There is a lot of water to flow under that bridge though before a decision can be made. Anxious to see the results at Spring practice. But those results should shape who starts for the Buckeyes, not stars or anything else. I trust the coaches to make the right choice but I will read every comment you all post! With C. J.'s announcement, and I could not be supportive for him to succeed, let the competition begin!!
If your opponent knocks you on your ass, honor the game and RESPECT him. But Gentlemen, no bastard ever won a football game by getting knocked on his ass. You won it by knocking the other poor dumb bastard on his ass and making HIM respect You!!
"His to lose" because he was QB2 last year which means he was already ahead of Brown in the pecking order. This is why the term "his to lose" was invented.
Talented room for sure, plus all seem to be competitive, genuinely good kids Interesting to see how it plays out, either way, the Buckeyes are going to be in good hands.
Given his extra year learning the playbook and his prior chemistry with Marv I’d be pretty shocked if McCord doesn’t win the job. Best case scenario is he plays like a first round pick and Brown only has to wait a year for his shot.
Kienholz isn't enrolling until the summer. As much as I like him he doesn't have a realistic chance of being the opening day starter in 2023 (he's just going to be WAY too far behind the other two guys in terms of learning the offense).
From a fan's perspective, I like years like this when there is a true QB battle occurring. Makes things like spring practices, the spring game, and fall camp a little more interesting to watch and follow.
Apples and oranges. Haskins and Burrow were the same year so the loser knew he had to leave. If Brown loses to McCord he very plausibly only has to wait a single season (Day hasn’t had a fourth year QB since JT Barrett, as they all become first round draft picks)
Stroud competed with both McCord and Jack Miller for the starting job in 2021. So not entirely true. He wasn't named the starter for 2021 until a few weeks before the season opener.
Absolutely correct. I wasn't alone though in feeling that early on it was a foregone conclusion. I believe even before being named the starter Stroud was very high up the betting list for Heisman.
After seeing this ticket, I reevaluated the situation and have faith that this is a solid bet. It seems risky, but besides Oklahoma, the top powerhouses in college football are all breaking in new starters. Ohio State has arguably the best receivers in college football, three starters returning on a strong offensive line, and a quarterback-friendly offense. I say it’s time to empty the wallet!
After looking over a number of odds from various sportsbooks, C.J. Stroud is the consensus top Ohio State player on the board but is given anywhere from top ten odds at 20/1 to being barely in the top 15 at 33/1.
Burrow had been at OSU a year longer (2015 class vs 2016 for Haskins). But I agree the loser was not going to stay at OSU another year. Burrow especially had already graduated and had been at OSU three years. Haskins was a stallion who was anxious to get out the gates and we were lucky to have had him sit for two years. He was coming off the comeback win vs TUn when JT went down and Burrow was healing from the hand injury. So, the deck ended up being stacked against Burrow at OSU by the time their QB competition began.
These two have an amazing opportunity to push each other, build, and support, embrace the moment. Qb2 is always one play away from Qb1, and a one and done with big numbers would set Brown up to start 24.
I am not privy to observe Ohio st practices. I’m sure the coaching staff will play the guy who gives Ohio st the best chance to win in 2023. My personal prediction and the one I am pulling for is McCord. Time will tell.
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I'm going to take the Jim Tressel line of commenting -- I feel that these QBs are excellent Buckeye Athletes, with great talent and greater potential. And in so knowing this, I feel that Buckeye Nation will be proud of these young men, in the classroom, on the field, and most especially? In 312 days, 4 hours and change in Ann Arbor, Michigan!
These guys are teammates for kreis sakes. There will be nothing but professionalism and good gamesmanship between two emboldened competitors who are seeking to achieve the top of the mountain at a top 5 football program. For you all that want to see drama and animosity during this competition, you will be sorely mistaken
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If McCarthy plays lights out next season he'll be gone after that (he wasn't eligible to declare after this year anyways since he's only a true sophomore). Ohio State develops their QBs quickly into first round talents, that's why they don't stick around for very long. If McCord/Brown are here for three more years that's not a good sign because that probably means they've been slow to develop (the last starting QB who was here for more than 2 years was J.T. Barrett and we all know what his limitations were as a player and that he likely didn't have much of a future in the NFL).
I don't really care about their NFL careers or who projects to the NFL. Stetson Bennett played QB at UGA the past 2 seasons and the Dawgs have to nattys to show for it. Even if he was the consummate "game manager" or had a good defense is beside the point. When the Buckeyes have won NCs, they have done so with experienced QBs. Even Cardale Jones had been around for a while and shocked Urbs when he decided to come back in 2015. My point is....I don't care if a guy is here for 6 years and is playing TTUN at the age of 30. What I do care about is someone who can calmly move the chains and score TDs in the red zone regardless as to whether he is a true NFL prospect ......or not.
Stetson Bennett was not a good QB a couple years ago (do you know how many times he's been benched and yanked in and out of the starting lineup during his career at Georgia)? He didn't truly start to take the next step as a player until towards the end of last season when J.T. Daniels got hurt. If that's the kind of trajectory you want to see for McCord just so he'll be here for three years he won't even last that long because Ohio State fans will run him out of here for sucking long before that (this fanbase doesn't tolerate bad QB play or growing pains at any kind at the position, just ask Steve Bellisari). If McCord lives up to his 5-star billing and plays at a high level at most we're probably going to get 2 years out of him (and to me that's ideal because it means that Ohio State is continuing to develop QBs at a high level which in turn will make Ohio State a more attractive destination for the top HS QBs going forward). I'm glad we're well past the days now where we no longer had to hope that Terrelle Pryor would finally develop into a capable passer every season because our coaching staff at the time had no fucking clue how to develop him.
Wasn’t McCarthy seriously interested in OSU when McCord committed to the Buckeyes, which then led McCarthy to decide on Michigan? Thought I read that somewhere.
McCarthy would not have been a good fit in Day's offense. He's just too inconsistent throwing the ball downfield and we don't run the ball as well as Michigan does (which has benefited JJ tremendously).
I mean, considering we've barely seen him thus far it's a little early to tell. I'm more than confident that he fits more of the mold of what Day prefers in a QB than JJ does (which was part of why Day chose him). Our offense is a pass-first offense which is not McCarthy's strong suit as a QB (he's not the type of QB who thrives throwing the ball 40-50 times a game). I've watched enough of JJ's game to know that he would not be thriving in our offense the way he's currently thriving at Michigan.
Yes , the issue was Mccarthy was an extremely raw & somewhat mediocre passer & Day wanted Mccord who was definitely more developed , cant blame Day tbh , Mccarthy hasnt proven he is functional college passer whatsoever
By Bet is Devin Brown , many felt he should of been the #1 QB or #2 QB in the 2022 recruiting cycle & On3 went as far as to give him the 5 Star Bump , imo , he has better intangibles than Mccord from potentially perspective & I still worry about Mccord’s wonky throwing motion that hopefully is fixed by next season
It will be interesting, have to think the Oline being in a less than ideal place will factor in. Super excited for it, and all the offensive skill players and possibilities, but it will only go as far as the guys up front allow it to. That’s the single biggest thing I’m worried about. Matt Jones coming back is absolutely huge, replacing 4 O-line would have been brutal.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
I’m not sure what time it is, but Xichigan still sucks
I just want to see a good battle with a clear winner and a viable backup ready to play if needed. My early prediction is McCord gets the first crack at it but brown makes it interesting.
Rewatching that Akron game, McCord ran the offense well and that int wasn’t necessary his fault. He did tend to float the ball a bit too much and didn’t hit guys in stride. Also looked like he stares down his receivers a bit, so hopefully some of those things are ironed out.
Devin is 6'3" and only 210 whereas Tim was like 240-250 during his playing days (he was basically built like a LB). I'm not seeing that comparison (and hopefully Devin has better mechanics throwing the ball than Tebow did).
Just as important as who starts at qb will be who starts on the oline. If OSU can't protect QB whoever has best ability to escape will eventually be the starter. 2 games before ND hopefully everything gets settled by then.
It's a good thing the Buckeyes first three games are against very beatable teams. Good for breaking in a new QB and possibly platooning both for comparisons. We've got Indiana, Y town State and Western Kentucky. After that, Notre Dame in South Bend. Very good season beginning for the offense and defense to work out some kinks. The Irish game will be difficult.
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The best passer should win the job. McCord is probably the best choice. Both are so important. Never forget, our last National championship was delivered by our third string guy. It's been far too long ago.
It's honestly difficult to say who would have the lead going into the season... McCord is the presumed leader, but I don't think the way Day allowed him to run the offense in garbage time really showed anything as far as what he would be able to do in the offense.
I think this one will come down to fall camp, I just hope Day doesn't get cute and try and take it down to the minute before kickoff week 1, that's a Harbaugh move. Once the clear front runner has separated himself, declare it, make him the guy and rally the team around him.
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I’ll be glad to see some play on the field in the spring game and practice clips to actually see what they look like. Basing any opinion off of their 2-3 year old high school tape is about as helpful as judging them off of how they stand on the sidelines.
McCord and Brown will battle but experience (as little as it may be) will be what propels Kyle as the starter imho. I think it will be a close race, though.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
TOSU is in a great situation for replacing Stroud. McCord, after a few years of development, will light it up similar to what Joe Brrr did at LSU. And what a luxury to have Devin, the next QB up, in case Kyle can't go, and ready to take McCord's place when Kyle turns pro. GO BUCKS
A close competition for the QB job should make both McCord and Brown better. I have no idea as to who the better QB is, but I do know that Coach Day has done well in choosing the right fit for his offense. With either one, we should put another elite passing offense on the field in 2023.
I think right now McCord has the edge due to being in the system for 2 years, plus being the primary backup getting snaps in games and even starting a game.
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
Hope the competition brings out the best in these guys. I think this day and age these types of competitions have to essentially go until late in fall camp so you can keep the second stringer on the roster. Obviously if one guy is head and shoulders above the other you don't lead one of them on, but I don't see a scenario where that will be the case here.
My money is on McCord, but honestly that is only due to having one more year in the system and his possible good connection with Marvin. Could go either way and I'll be happy with whoever Day decides on. Say what you will about Day, but his track record on getting QB's to produce for him is excellent.
I think beating Michigan so often has made you forget what the rivalry means. I remember the '90s perhaps you don't. Go tell any Michigan friends you have about Stroud's stats and watch them laugh at you. Lets just keep getting statistically good QBs who keep losing to Michigan and never again win the B1G since you seem to be okay with that.
Mods on this site are so fragile. They'll censor comments that don't even break any rules and ban you for calling them out on it.
I'm not gonna lie, I've definitely had my questions about Stroud's leadership and willingness to take contact at times throughout the past two seasons, but to say all our recent failures are on him is a bit harsh. He wasn't responsible for some of the worst defenses in Ohio State history and the complete decimation of the running back room to injury. I struggle to see how JT Barrett or Cardale Jones could have overcome these deficiencies on their own.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
Here we go with the "but muh defense" argument, so sick of it. 27 points against Michigan the first time, then 23 the next year. Stroud responsible for exactly zero points in the second half this year. That's garbage. Please tell me how many big games in college football you've seen over the last decade where the winner only scored 27 points or less? Even if the defense was better, those offensive performances don't get the job done. The offense sucked balls in those games and he's the leader of the offense, threw two picks at end. Maybe if he remembered how legs work before the last game of his career we wouldn't be having this conversation. Every single time I'll pick the guy with half those stats that does what's necessary to win over the guy who refused to run the ball when needed. Look what happened when he figured out how legs operate, best game of his career.
Mods on this site are so fragile. They'll censor comments that don't even break any rules and ban you for calling them out on it.
Guess who also had zero national titles, Ill give you a hint, you have your username after him. And before you say well he was on the team for that title, guess what he didnt play that season and had zero impact on us winning it
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
National title is last on the list for a reason. Braxton also had an undefeated season in which he probably would have won a title if our dumb ass athletic director took a bowl ban when everyone told him he should have. How many times did Braxton bean Michigan?
Mods on this site are so fragile. They'll censor comments that don't even break any rules and ban you for calling them out on it.
C'mon Brax, you can't lay that blame on Stroud. He accounted for 85 touchdowns. 85! I kind of think our defense and injuries had something to do with those losses. There are 10 other guys on offense and 11 more on defense that played a wee part in those outcomes.
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I like what these guys are saying. I don't care which one of them wins the job, but I don't think they are starting even. It's KM's job and DB will have to take it. Maybe he will.
I also think the loser will transfer because they both want to start somewhere.
Considering McCord has an extra year in the system if Brown overtakes him for the job by spring I think definitely is a sign of good things to come for Devin.
For my money, the guy who gets the ball out fastest - with accuracy- is guy you want against better competition. I frankly don’t have a preference.
I remember early fields and most of Barrett’s career screaming “throw the damn ball”. Oh wait , that was Urbs , not me.
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Time to settle in for a long qb competition. This one probably goes through fall camp.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Your record of picking QB's is not very accomplished, lol The only reason it goes to Fall Camp is to keep Brown happy, McCord is the more polished QB and has been in the system 2 full yrs!
I'm gonna watch it play out... Sometimes polished doesn't equate to who gives you a better chance to win.... Leadership, instinct, athleticism comes into play as well.
CBus love
I would think that Brown has a at least a 50% shot to be named QB1. He has similar arm talent to Kyle but has a few more intangibles when it comes to pulling it down and making magic happen.
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Maybe we should let them play this one out. IMO, this one is not a spring competition it is a two plus year tournament and they will be on top of each other making sure that the production of the position is where it needs to be for the team.
TJ1
Gonna be really tough to replace the talent equivalent to CJ. He was an awesome leader.
People said the same thing when we needed to replace Justin. There’s a reason we are the #2 best odds to win next CFP.
And here we go. It's not going to be the Hatfield's vs. the McCoy's on the 11W comment boards till next season, it's gonna be the Brown's vs. the McCord's. And it's going to be SO annoying. McCord is Super Marv's HS QB. He's a Sophomore going into his Jr. season. He's got a year more in the OSU program than Brown. I firmly believe that he's earned the starting job. That said, I 100% trust Day and Hartline's judgement and so should we all. Let us not repeat a Stroud vs. McCord or Jones vs. Barrett soap opera. We'll be just fine with any of these QB's, including Lincoln. Whomever it is just needs to bring it and lead the team and WIN.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
McCord hasn’t earned anything. Neither has Brown.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
This coming from a guy who said Burrow had a rag arm and belonged at a MAC School, You better sit this one out Champ!
Please.. just stop.
Your name says it all.. Stanley Jackson. Just based on that --a former OSU QB who was known more for completions to the that other team-- you should probably refrain from posting.
Who are you to say what either has earned? When do they earn something? When they play in front of fans in the fall? These two guys are going through practice, going through film study, they are going to class. Just because they haven't played a ton of meaningful snaps on gameday has nothing to do with whether they have earned the starting job. I am sure their teammates have a completely different opinion than you do of whether they have earned anything.
Alls well that ends well
I have to disagree respectfully. You do not simply "earn" the spot just because you've been here longer sitting on the bench. I am a firm believer you don't lose your spot due to injury. Just as much as I believe you eat what you kill. It's time for these guys to get out there and hunt. The feeding will happen starting September 2nd for the one who supplied the kill.
Give violence a chance
Spoken like a true redneck. Not saying you are one.. but that's something Uncle Jethro would say, while trying to equate the great sport of hunting with a high powered rifle, to the sport of football.
They haven't just been "sitting on the bench". They have been practicing, studying film, going to class, hitting the weight room, and building a rapport with their teammates. You are not the arbiter of what it means to "earn" the starting spot.
Alls well that ends well
Yep, arguing over who should start when none of us know anything about these two other than some high school tape. That being said, looking forward to the Spring Game. The QB competition will be good for the program.
All Coach Day promises is an opportunity to compete. Let's play hard and work hard every day. Go Buckeyes.
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Girding for the 11W commenter debate! The two even look alike in the picture! There is a lot of water to flow under that bridge though before a decision can be made. Anxious to see the results at Spring practice. But those results should shape who starts for the Buckeyes, not stars or anything else. I trust the coaches to make the right choice but I will read every comment you all post! With C. J.'s announcement, and I could not be supportive for him to succeed, let the competition begin!!
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Alls well that ends well
so it begins
Definitely McCords job to lose.
Why is that, because he's been her an extra year? Means nothing.
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Not saying it's McCords job to lose but an extra year when the talent is close/equal does mean something.
This is such an ignorant comment. An entire extra year of S&C and learning the playbook is huge in CFB.
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"His to lose" because he was QB2 last year which means he was already ahead of Brown in the pecking order. This is why the term "his to lose" was invented.
Talented room for sure, plus all seem to be competitive, genuinely good kids Interesting to see how it plays out, either way, the Buckeyes are going to be in good hands.
Given his extra year learning the playbook and his prior chemistry with Marv I’d be pretty shocked if McCord doesn’t win the job. Best case scenario is he plays like a first round pick and Brown only has to wait a year for his shot.
Kleinholz!
... and that means two things
I would like to see a keinholtz package similar to when martell was here. Those were some cool packages by day.
We may need those packages... Just don't see McCord as a runner.
CBus love
Kienholz isn't enrolling until the summer. As much as I like him he doesn't have a realistic chance of being the opening day starter in 2023 (he's just going to be WAY too far behind the other two guys in terms of learning the offense).
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From a fan's perspective, I like years like this when there is a true QB battle occurring. Makes things like spring practices, the spring game, and fall camp a little more interesting to watch and follow.
As long as it's not handled the way the 2015 QB battle was handled. Day's going to be in hot water if he lets it get that out of hand.
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Confident Day will play the best guy
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Just get me to spring workouts, I'll go from there.
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Enough talk.
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After several years, I can't believe I am asking this.....
Yea, but can he run?
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I feel a Burrow (Brown) vs Haskins (McCord) similarity brewing
Apples and oranges. Haskins and Burrow were the same year so the loser knew he had to leave. If Brown loses to McCord he very plausibly only has to wait a single season (Day hasn’t had a fourth year QB since JT Barrett, as they all become first round draft picks)
Fair point. It's the most recent true QB competition since though.
Stroud competed with both McCord and Jack Miller for the starting job in 2021. So not entirely true. He wasn't named the starter for 2021 until a few weeks before the season opener.
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Absolutely correct. I wasn't alone though in feeling that early on it was a foregone conclusion. I believe even before being named the starter Stroud was very high up the betting list for Heisman.
USAToday article June 11, 2021
https://buckeyeswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/11/ohio-state-football-cj-stroud-smart-bet-for-2021-heisman-buckeyes/
Burrow had been at OSU a year longer (2015 class vs 2016 for Haskins). But I agree the loser was not going to stay at OSU another year. Burrow especially had already graduated and had been at OSU three years. Haskins was a stallion who was anxious to get out the gates and we were lucky to have had him sit for two years. He was coming off the comeback win vs TUn when JT went down and Burrow was healing from the hand injury. So, the deck ended up being stacked against Burrow at OSU by the time their QB competition began.
Spring game here I come.
These two have an amazing opportunity to push each other, build, and support, embrace the moment. Qb2 is always one play away from Qb1, and a one and done with big numbers would set Brown up to start 24.
Long live the brotherhood
I am not privy to observe Ohio st practices. I’m sure the coaching staff will play the guy who gives Ohio st the best chance to win in 2023. My personal prediction and the one I am pulling for is McCord. Time will tell.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
I'm going to take the Jim Tressel line of commenting -- I feel that these QBs are excellent Buckeye Athletes, with great talent and greater potential. And in so knowing this, I feel that Buckeye Nation will be proud of these young men, in the classroom, on the field, and most especially? In 312 days, 4 hours and change in Ann Arbor, Michigan!
So on and so forth…
I feel more assured that there will not be a OSU qb in the portal for the upcoming season.
In Ryan Day We Trust
These guys are teammates for kreis sakes. There will be nothing but professionalism and good gamesmanship between two emboldened competitors who are seeking to achieve the top of the mountain at a top 5 football program. For you all that want to see drama and animosity during this competition, you will be sorely mistaken
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It would be great if we could get a 3 year starter. Stinking qb for scum will stay 3 more years to pester us.
If McCarthy plays lights out next season he'll be gone after that (he wasn't eligible to declare after this year anyways since he's only a true sophomore). Ohio State develops their QBs quickly into first round talents, that's why they don't stick around for very long. If McCord/Brown are here for three more years that's not a good sign because that probably means they've been slow to develop (the last starting QB who was here for more than 2 years was J.T. Barrett and we all know what his limitations were as a player and that he likely didn't have much of a future in the NFL).
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I don't really care about their NFL careers or who projects to the NFL. Stetson Bennett played QB at UGA the past 2 seasons and the Dawgs have to nattys to show for it. Even if he was the consummate "game manager" or had a good defense is beside the point. When the Buckeyes have won NCs, they have done so with experienced QBs. Even Cardale Jones had been around for a while and shocked Urbs when he decided to come back in 2015. My point is....I don't care if a guy is here for 6 years and is playing TTUN at the age of 30. What I do care about is someone who can calmly move the chains and score TDs in the red zone regardless as to whether he is a true NFL prospect ......or not.
Stetson Bennett was not a good QB a couple years ago (do you know how many times he's been benched and yanked in and out of the starting lineup during his career at Georgia)? He didn't truly start to take the next step as a player until towards the end of last season when J.T. Daniels got hurt. If that's the kind of trajectory you want to see for McCord just so he'll be here for three years he won't even last that long because Ohio State fans will run him out of here for sucking long before that (this fanbase doesn't tolerate bad QB play or growing pains at any kind at the position, just ask Steve Bellisari). If McCord lives up to his 5-star billing and plays at a high level at most we're probably going to get 2 years out of him (and to me that's ideal because it means that Ohio State is continuing to develop QBs at a high level which in turn will make Ohio State a more attractive destination for the top HS QBs going forward). I'm glad we're well past the days now where we no longer had to hope that Terrelle Pryor would finally develop into a capable passer every season because our coaching staff at the time had no fucking clue how to develop him.
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Wasn’t McCarthy seriously interested in OSU when McCord committed to the Buckeyes, which then led McCarthy to decide on Michigan? Thought I read that somewhere.
From what I remember, both had offers. McCarthy called the staff to commit, they said hold on. A few weeks later they took McCord’s commitment.
Yes, McCarthy really wanted to come to Columbus. But Day chose McCord over McCarthy, so McCarthy looked elsewhere.
McCarthy would not have been a good fit in Day's offense. He's just too inconsistent throwing the ball downfield and we don't run the ball as well as Michigan does (which has benefited JJ tremendously).
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Has McCord proven he is a good fit? TBD
I mean, considering we've barely seen him thus far it's a little early to tell. I'm more than confident that he fits more of the mold of what Day prefers in a QB than JJ does (which was part of why Day chose him). Our offense is a pass-first offense which is not McCarthy's strong suit as a QB (he's not the type of QB who thrives throwing the ball 40-50 times a game). I've watched enough of JJ's game to know that he would not be thriving in our offense the way he's currently thriving at Michigan.
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Has McCord proven he is a good fit? TBD
Yes , the issue was Mccarthy was an extremely raw & somewhat mediocre passer & Day wanted Mccord who was definitely more developed , cant blame Day tbh , Mccarthy hasnt proven he is functional college passer whatsoever
Gonna be a tight competition. How about best mullet for the tie breaker?
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Do we have a 26 yr old walk on in the competition??
Shane Falco from the Replacements?
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By Bet is Devin Brown , many felt he should of been the #1 QB or #2 QB in the 2022 recruiting cycle & On3 went as far as to give him the 5 Star Bump , imo , he has better intangibles than Mccord from potentially perspective & I still worry about Mccord’s wonky throwing motion that hopefully is fixed by next season
What happened to Ewers? Did I miss something?
It will be interesting, have to think the Oline being in a less than ideal place will factor in. Super excited for it, and all the offensive skill players and possibilities, but it will only go as far as the guys up front allow it to. That’s the single biggest thing I’m worried about. Matt Jones coming back is absolutely huge, replacing 4 O-line would have been brutal.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
I’m not sure what time it is, but Xichigan still sucks
We're just going to implement the A11 offense to keep both happy
I just want to see a good battle with a clear winner and a viable backup ready to play if needed. My early prediction is McCord gets the first crack at it but brown makes it interesting.
Raiola is going to win it.lmbo.
Lol. Even if he were still committed he wouldn't be here until 2024.
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Rewatching that Akron game, McCord ran the offense well and that int wasn’t necessary his fault. He did tend to float the ball a bit too much and didn’t hit guys in stride. Also looked like he stares down his receivers a bit, so hopefully some of those things are ironed out.
I think it's a good sign he looked as good as he did as a true freshmen
Devin Brown = Tim Tebow. McCord will start and we'll win the Natty, but Devin will play.
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Devin is 6'3" and only 210 whereas Tim was like 240-250 during his playing days (he was basically built like a LB). I'm not seeing that comparison (and hopefully Devin has better mechanics throwing the ball than Tebow did).
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They play nothing alike ….. Devin Brown can actually throw the ball
Just as important as who starts at qb will be who starts on the oline. If OSU can't protect QB whoever has best ability to escape will eventually be the starter. 2 games before ND hopefully everything gets settled by then.
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It's a good thing the Buckeyes first three games are against very beatable teams. Good for breaking in a new QB and possibly platooning both for comparisons. We've got Indiana, Y town State and Western Kentucky. After that, Notre Dame in South Bend. Very good season beginning for the offense and defense to work out some kinks. The Irish game will be difficult.
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Yes our schedule shapes up nicely for our next QB that will be household name by seasons end
I would be much more worried if we were opening the season at Notre Dame. Thankfully that's not the case.
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The best passer should win the job. McCord is probably the best choice. Both are so important. Never forget, our last National championship was delivered by our third string guy. It's been far too long ago.
It's honestly difficult to say who would have the lead going into the season... McCord is the presumed leader, but I don't think the way Day allowed him to run the offense in garbage time really showed anything as far as what he would be able to do in the offense.
I think this one will come down to fall camp, I just hope Day doesn't get cute and try and take it down to the minute before kickoff week 1, that's a Harbaugh move. Once the clear front runner has separated himself, declare it, make him the guy and rally the team around him.
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I’ll be glad to see some play on the field in the spring game and practice clips to actually see what they look like. Basing any opinion off of their 2-3 year old high school tape is about as helpful as judging them off of how they stand on the sidelines.
McCord and Brown will battle but experience (as little as it may be) will be what propels Kyle as the starter imho. I think it will be a close race, though.
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I think McCord will be the starter with Brown having some chances to come in for running situations in the red zone.
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TOSU is in a great situation for replacing Stroud. McCord, after a few years of development, will light it up similar to what Joe Brrr did at LSU. And what a luxury to have Devin, the next QB up, in case Kyle can't go, and ready to take McCord's place when Kyle turns pro. GO BUCKS
A close competition for the QB job should make both McCord and Brown better. I have no idea as to who the better QB is, but I do know that Coach Day has done well in choosing the right fit for his offense. With either one, we should put another elite passing offense on the field in 2023.
I think right now McCord has the edge due to being in the system for 2 years, plus being the primary backup getting snaps in games and even starting a game.
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Hope the competition brings out the best in these guys. I think this day and age these types of competitions have to essentially go until late in fall camp so you can keep the second stringer on the roster. Obviously if one guy is head and shoulders above the other you don't lead one of them on, but I don't see a scenario where that will be the case here.
My money is on McCord, but honestly that is only due to having one more year in the system and his possible good connection with Marvin. Could go either way and I'll be happy with whoever Day decides on. Say what you will about Day, but his track record on getting QB's to produce for him is excellent.
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^^^^^ this is why I can’t stand most fans. The entitlement sickens me to the core.
I think beating Michigan so often has made you forget what the rivalry means. I remember the '90s perhaps you don't. Go tell any Michigan friends you have about Stroud's stats and watch them laugh at you. Lets just keep getting statistically good QBs who keep losing to Michigan and never again win the B1G since you seem to be okay with that.
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I'm not gonna lie, I've definitely had my questions about Stroud's leadership and willingness to take contact at times throughout the past two seasons, but to say all our recent failures are on him is a bit harsh. He wasn't responsible for some of the worst defenses in Ohio State history and the complete decimation of the running back room to injury. I struggle to see how JT Barrett or Cardale Jones could have overcome these deficiencies on their own.
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Here we go with the "but muh defense" argument, so sick of it. 27 points against Michigan the first time, then 23 the next year. Stroud responsible for exactly zero points in the second half this year. That's garbage. Please tell me how many big games in college football you've seen over the last decade where the winner only scored 27 points or less? Even if the defense was better, those offensive performances don't get the job done. The offense sucked balls in those games and he's the leader of the offense, threw two picks at end. Maybe if he remembered how legs work before the last game of his career we wouldn't be having this conversation. Every single time I'll pick the guy with half those stats that does what's necessary to win over the guy who refused to run the ball when needed. Look what happened when he figured out how legs operate, best game of his career.
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Guess who also had zero national titles, Ill give you a hint, you have your username after him. And before you say well he was on the team for that title, guess what he didnt play that season and had zero impact on us winning it
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
National title is last on the list for a reason. Braxton also had an undefeated season in which he probably would have won a title if our dumb ass athletic director took a bowl ban when everyone told him he should have. How many times did Braxton bean Michigan?
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C'mon Brax, you can't lay that blame on Stroud. He accounted for 85 touchdowns. 85! I kind of think our defense and injuries had something to do with those losses. There are 10 other guys on offense and 11 more on defense that played a wee part in those outcomes.
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I like what these guys are saying. I don't care which one of them wins the job, but I don't think they are starting even. It's KM's job and DB will have to take it. Maybe he will.
I also think the loser will transfer because they both want to start somewhere.
But what do I know? Lol
Considering McCord has an extra year in the system if Brown overtakes him for the job by spring I think definitely is a sign of good things to come for Devin.
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For my money, the guy who gets the ball out fastest - with accuracy- is guy you want against better competition. I frankly don’t have a preference.
I remember early fields and most of Barrett’s career screaming “throw the damn ball”. Oh wait , that was Urbs , not me.
My money is on McCord, who is the buckeyes 3rd highest rated QB recruit ever behind Ewers and Pryor.
Don’t forget that walk on QB Mason Maggs shred his black stripe well before Devin did this year…
Well, one benefit of Stroud NOT running much is that he never got too banged up. Normally, you expect your starting QB to miss some time.
McCord did a fine job, starting and winning a game when he was just a freshman. He looks solid, in a Roman Gabriel, Kenny Anderson sort of way.
Open competition, may the best man win, but I feel very comfortable with the guys coming up.
I'm looking forward to improvement in our running game, which will benefit whichever quarterback is playing.
When is the spring game??