Boom, that is what it is. If they ain't with us, fuck 'em. No disrespect to the guy, but if he goes to Nebraska, he was never serious about his career.
I said in almost 20 years. Obviously reading my post wasn’t clear to you. The loss of Raiola sucks but it is what it is. Stop with the excuses, it is what it is and move on. We will be fine.
So you deliberately added the word "almost" to exclude that second championship. Nice troll move. Is "almost" literally just 19 years? Is it 18? Or is it even 15?
In the past 19 years since you want to specifically exclude our second championship the count of titles is as follows (not including ones won but vacated due to NCAA violations)
Of all those schools only Ohio State and Georgia have a shot this year at winning another. Florida just played in a December 18th bowl game and got destroyed 33-3.
Only Bama, USC, and Clemson are playing in a New Years 6 bowl game this year outside of Ohio State and Georgia. Ohio State, if it is able to beat Georgia, would become the first program to win all of the NYD bowls.
Note that teams like Oklahoma, Notre Dame, ttun, Penn State are nowhere to be found on that list. And only Bama and Clemson have more appearances in the CFP than Ohio State.
Despite our challenges I will take where we are as program.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Speaking of national championships. Two 3-star Ohio State QBs have won national titles in the last 10 years. One in the 2014 season and one in 2019. 3-star guys. One of them was the first overall pick in the draft. Put that into perspective, and let sink in. I think TOSU will be just fine with their recent 4-star QBs on roster and the South Dakota kid. Wish Raiola well and good luck. TOSU will be fine without him.
Regardless, Burrow was an under the radar 3-star when being recruited out of high school who proceeded to win a National Championship and Heisman while at LSU. It’s a fact that he played several years at Ohio State before graduation then transfer to LSU. Burrow won that title at LSU (and might not have won it if some replay officials gave a certain game away to Clemson) and no one claims otherwise. How is that embarrassing?
The point was that sometimes players are either under ranked or developed later, and they can become championship calibre without the 5-stars.
Time and change will surely show how firm thy friendship, O HI O.
Troy was a product of fantastic player development by Joe Daniels at the time. His first couple of years as the starter we saw exactly why he was a 3-star recruit (he could barely throw an accurate screen pass in his early seasons and threw the ball way too hard). In 2006 so much about his game changed for the better.
No. Only if he chooses Nebraska, as the other commenter stated. Any team that has aspirations of competing for a national championship needs to have at least 3-4 elite starters. Nebraska will not have that during the next 3-5 years. After all, it is a team sport. Just look at Caleb Williams. And he’s at USC.
Losing Raiola sucks, no way around it. But if there is a position where Day has proven himself, it’s at QB. Any intelligent, highly rated QB would be silly to not have OSU high on their list.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
There is still time to recover so I guess there is that silver lining. It’s worth a punt to reach out to Davis but I can’t imagine he would want to come here after the staff went with Raiola over him. I doubt that sat well with him. Hopefully we get Montgomery in 2025.
That's some serious Monday Morning QBing. At the time Ewers was the #1 prospect in HS and recognized as the top QB prospect since the Fields/Lawrence year. I'm not sure Allar was even a 4-star at the time.
The staff also had no clue at the time that Ewers would re-classify at the last second, which screwed a lot up. Let's be honest that no staff was turning down the #1 overall recruit for a 3-star QB. Just how things go sometimes.
I mean Ewers was the straight up better prospect hands down. Can't really blame Day and Co. for going for the more talented kid (regardless of him not sticking around for more than a year).
We do, but, when a coach can't see greatness, then, greatness walks out the front door, heads south to Louisiana, wins a natty, heisman and every other award known to mankind all the while letting everyone know he's from Ohio.
dude, you're nuts. seriously. lol. burrow walked on to a new team, missed spring with his new team, learned an entirely new offense in less than 5 weeks, went 10-3 in the toughest conference in the country, won the Fiesta Bowl and was named MVP of that bowl in his first year. Yeah, that's not great. Oh, and he didn't lose his job. Meyer was too pig-headed to recognize burrow's greatness because burrow wasn't his recruit.
Haskins was Day's guy. He was completely ill-suited to run the type of offense that Meyer wanted to run (heavy RPO and QB run) due to his limited mobility. The only QB in that room going into 2018 that was actually Urban's guy was Martell.
all the while letting everyone know he's from Ohio.
Well that last part has a lot to do with the fact that currently he's playing for an Ohio-based NFL team and is being hailed as a "hometown hero" there. If Burrow had been drafted by any non-Ohio NFL franchise people wouldn't care as much about his Ohio roots. His Ohio roots get talked about often because Cincinnati is 2 and a half hours away from where he grew up. That actually has little to do with Ohio State.
You can say what you want about not saying he doesn’t want competition but that’s pretty clear what happened here. We land a top guy from 2023 this week and have the top guy from 2025 on campus this weekend.
How is that pretty clear? Do you have info you would like to share where he said he wasn’t happy with being over recruited? It sucks he decommited but we can recover.
Word from his camp were that they has recent issues with Day. We got a top 23 recruit this week and are courting the top guy from 25. Pretty clear to me.
Recent issues with Day doesn’t make it any more clear on what those issues were. Maybe they were upset that Day won’t bring in an offensive coordinator who will call plays on offense. Maybe they have issues with Day being 1-2 against Michigan. Doesn’t seem pretty clear at all.
Those issues are just as probably as your issue. We already had a commitment from a 23 QB who flipped to Florida State so that wasn’t an issue. For class of 25, we were already recruiting several QBs hard including Ryan Montgomery. So, no it isn’t Clear like you seem to make it out to be.
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If you want insight into this mods maturity go back and read his comment on this site regarding Butch Jones. He commented that a D1 head coach looks like the type of guy who sniffs his fingers after scratching his ass. Instead of being banned he continues as a mod and bans others.
Apply for the job since you seem to know all about how it should be done. Then YOU get to deal with all the ass hats trying to pick a fight - like yourself, for example.
I'd argue its much more likely the other way. Everyone thought Lincoln Kienholz was protection from Brown or McCord transferring, and it was probably because they knew Raiola was already out, and it just took until today for us to find out..
Who's everyone? All of you youngsters on here? I happen to think that Lincoln Kienholz is going to be a tremendous talent barring a major set-back but that can happen to anyone (Raiola)
I can guarantee you, Judgement Day won't be rigged
I agree, I would also love to see our guys bring in Mabrey Mettauer, Quick reactions, plays at the highest level of Texas football, and is 6'5" runs angry!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
People on here think he decomitted because we overrecruited or that he weighed to much to play QB here or that he wasn’t a dual threat. A lot of sour grapes in here.
Agreed. Just don’t appear on national TV being dominated in any facets of the game. Demonstrate that we can hang w Georgia and all will be forgiven. Beating them is icing on the cake.
In today's world, I wonder how long he would have stuck with us. If you are the nation's #1 recruit, are you really going to sit behind some guys for a couple of years? Or even one year? If he does opt for Nebraska since his uncle is a coach there, he's probably guaranteed to start right away. Here? Not so much.
It's kind of hard to get excited about recruits anymore. Between decommitting before signing and transferring before you even learn their jersey numbers, what's the point?
And Day needs to get over his aversion to the portal. Free agency is here, and if you aren't partaking in it, you are foolish. Go out and get the most talented guys you can find no matter the avenue, and the best guy plays. Period. We might be able to replace this loss with a transfer QB next year.
Agreed about the portal. Michigan was just awarded the Joe Moore award for the second straight year for the best OL in college football. Now they are bringing in two talented offensive tackles from Arizona State and Stanford respectively, and the top-rated player in the portal in a LB from Nebraska. We can't run the ball with our own non-portal recruits, how's that working out?
This is why it's hard to follow or get excited about recruiting. All it takes is one change or one commit that another recruit doesn't like and they gone. I agree with all who have said that best of luck to him but we move on by moving on. He don't wanna be a Buckeye that's on him let him go try his luck learning from someone else. I feel like if whoever starts next year balls out then we may see some high rated flip happen.
Have to wonder about NIL money influence here. I think recruiting rankings in general don't mean anything because a school can come along and offer more money. Not sure it is worth paying attention to who is on the team until August 1st. Call me no longer interested in following recruitng.
I don't think you can expect a young man who is only Sophomore to know what they want. Especially in this day and age. I say just wish him well, wherever he ends up. I wouldn't mind seeing hm end up at Nebraska, but can they afford him? High School star ratings don't mean anything anyway... (Tate Martell). And the Buckeyes will have an outstanding QB in there. I trust Coach Day and the rest of the team to make that happen. Good luck Dylan, wherever you land.
With the portal now in play any quarterback is fair game and would be interested in Ohio State, with Ryan Day as the quarterback whisperer.
I may not get this exactly right but we had a mess on our hands at QB when Urban was leaving. Tate Martel was on the roster, as well as Matt Baldwin and Emory Jones was a commit (until he wasn't). Danny Clark was floating around there somewhere.
Justin Field shows up in the portal - Tate takes his ball and leaves, Jones pen runs out of ink and it is just Fields and Baldwin until Chug shows up. After that Day lands Stroud, McCord and Browne. I know Day wants 4 scholarship quarterbacks but with the portal and NIL, 3 maybe the new normal.
So it sucks to have this QB opening and the potential leader (on the field and in recruiting) but things have a way of working out.
Craig Krenzel won a National Championship and probably wasn't even considered a three star. Troy Smith won a Heisman and competed in the National Championship. He was recruited as an Athlete and projected to play corner back on defense. Urban Meyer didn't even want to offer Joe Burrow. Players play, stars hold out and protect their draft status. Let's just get a competitor who wants to be a Buckeye!
+1... Troy actually was a ST returner for a short time. Tress has no clue where to play him until... CK might be the worst throwing QB to have won a NC. He was the leading the rusher in the NC. Losing this guy will sting for a but but Day and The Bucks will be fine.
I loved Krenzel but we'd never be able to win a Natty with a QB like him under center now. The game has changed too much. The closest comparison to Krenzel nowadays is probably Stetson Bennett and he was a Heisman candidate this year (something that Krenzel never came close to being in his two years as the starter at Ohio State).
Not to sound like a stupid or naive question, but is Raiola completely out of the picture? Nothing has been said if he is still considering OSU, but wants to reevaluate all options
I’d be shocked if they truly land a huge name at this point. NIL structure doesn’t get built in a day. Point is it will not be ready by the time this closes. Go for 2025 and bite the bullet on this class
Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday
Here's something to think about and put into perspective: Two 3-star QBs from TOSU won national titles since 2014. One in 2014 and one in 2019. 3-star guys. One was chosen first overall in the draft. I think TOSU will be just fine and dandy with their 4-star guys on roster and with the 4-star South Dakota kid.
NIL started just 18 months ago, the 2024 class signs in 14 months. Somehow other schools have been able to get NIL “structure” in 18 months, but you don’t think 14 months is doable for the 2024 class?
Yes but do we even know if OSU was going to jump on the NIL train when the legal case closed? Like when the clock officially started on NIL, all I’ve been reading is that OSU didn’t want to get their toes in the water because they wanted to take the high road. So if Gene was scene last week asking the coffers for money, that’s usually a bad sign that there is an infrastructure even implemented
Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday
A lot of those schools had NIL infrastructure for decades…way before it was known as NIL. They didn’t just create them from the ground up in 18 months.
This is a PERFECT opportunity for the university that trademarked “THE” to sue the pants off this kid, his parents, and whatever university OBVIOUSLY dumped a truckload of cash on his front doorstep. Oh, and before anyone gets their danders up about suing kids, let’s remember that you can sue anyone for anything. Secondly, let’s remember that there is SOLID case precedent for suing ANYONE for tortious interference in business relationships. And make no mistake, OSU was IN a business relationship with this kid (and Ewers) and they made a business commitment to OSU. It’s the freaking Wild West out there with NIL and the transfer portal, and it’s going to take the same level of legal presence setting lawsuits that gave us NIL to at least put some sort of guidelines in place to prevent this BS.
Lol, the "business relationship" would be established once the Letter of Intent has been returned to the school. Right now everything is in the negotiation phase.
And if you never want a high level recruit to sign with OSU again then sure, sue kids for changing their minds before they sign on the dotted line.
Everyone seems to be caught up on 4-Star, 5-Star stuff. Justin Zwich was a 5-Star. How did that pan out? We need players who love to play the game, not players who love to be a football player. There is a difference. The Raiola kid didn’t want to be a Buckeye, doesn’t understand what it means to be a Buckeye, don’t need that. We need gritty hard nosed Ohio players who want to make things happen instead of letting things happen and most importantly WANT to be a Buckeye.
Dont get caught up in the recruiting rankings and hype of recruiting. Many 4 star recruits end up being better than their 5 star counterparts. Great QBs have an "it" factor, they welcome pressure and excel when it matters the most. For example, a kid out of Athens, OH was ranked the 298th player by ESPN 300 and graded an 80 which is 4 star level. He went on to win the heisman, NC, and is now starting QB for the Bengals and took them to a Super Bowl. Relax everyone, I think the Buckeyes may have just that in Brown and he is waiting his turn....
With the offense Ohio State is running now and the receiver recruits were getting, is a 5 star #1-2 ranked guy going to make a bigger difference than a 4 star #3-10 ranked recruit? Is a bigger concern higher ranked offensive linemen keeping the quarterback upright?
Also, from kids perspective looking at their long-term future, avoiding competition makes sense. When you look at the NFL Draft and see guys like Lance, Allen, Wentz being drafted high from no name schools, getting as much time on the field early to show out is way better for them then battling it out and sitting around waiting a few seasons.
I wasn’t a big fan of Raiola after seeing him play against the cornerback from Arizona Lockhart team. I think Day needs a duel quarterback to open up the offense. I would like for them to bring up Air Noland since they had time to evaluate him since they were recruiting Thurman. Raiola leaving is not a big deal since Brown and McCord are still here. The future is still bright and now quarterback recruiting is now turning into Christmas
This will probably sound like coach speak, but the way for everyone to forget about those who "tuck tail and run" from the program is the following:
Have great coaches...
Get great players...
Have a great organization...
JUST WIN BABY!!!
The late, great Al Davis' philosophy on all such matters. Great players need not necessarily be what Scout, ESPN-U, or some other eggheaded BS chart website and service. Great players are developed here, regardless of their website ratings!
We have great coaches. We have great players, regardless of their website ratings.
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY. is a GREAT institution!
JUST WIN, OR DIE TRYING. Everything else will fall into place.
I mean it's not like the Mailman hasn't way outplayed his original recruiting rankings by now (he was a Heisman finalist this year for crying out loud). It happens. That DOESN'T mean you can roll the dice on every single walk-on QB having the same success he had. 95% of the time that doesn't happen and it's just a foolish risk to take (especially at a program like Ohio State). The last time we started a walk-on QB was Joe Bauserman's three starts to open the year in 2011 and we saw how that turned out.
Not to mention Stetson's path to becoming the full-time starter at Georgia was a very interesting one with a lot of twists and turns. In 2018 Fields was their prized 5-star recruit at QB but wasn't starting over Jake Fromm and was unhappy about that so he transferred here (and we all know the rest). In 2020 after Fromm left former Ohio State recruit D'Wan Mathis opened the year as the starter for Georgia and got benched for Stetson only for Stetson himself to be benched for Mathis and JT Daniels on two separate occasions later in the season (I remember because we were regularly clowning the Bulldogs for how much of a mess their QB room was at the time and how losing Fields hurt them significantly at that position). Last year the plan opening the year was never for Bennett to start. Daniels opened the year as the starter but missed games due to injury which opened the door for Stetson to reclaim the job (which led him to where he is now).
I refuse to worry about a qb that wasn’t possibly starting til likely 2025. Let Nebraska fight everyone off to keep him for 2-3 years. Bring me ones that only want to be buckeyes!
I wish we were as concerned with recruiting offensive lineman and corners as we are quarterbacks. Give me a great offensive line and a stout, attacking, shut down defense and the Buckeyes can even beat TTUN and win a natty with a just a "good" quarterback.
They literally chased okunlola til this past week even tho he never visited. Anything more than that is a B felony I think. Even ttun is chasing qb’s. It’s kind of a position most teams usually need.
Totally sad story. Apparently Dad is having a midlife crisis and the young QB isn't an actual intelligent human being capable of making an important personal choice. Nebraska was great 30 years ago son so they will be great again next year and don't forget THIS is not about you !
Sad, move on. We can watch this pathetic train wreck from a distance. I will always feel sorry for this young man who was robbed by his Dad.
95% of walk-on QBs tend to turn out to be more like Joe Bauserman than Stetson Bennett. Bennett's rise is not exactly an answer to Ohio State's future at the QB position (which isn't going to come from a walk-on). Georgia more than anything got lucky with Bennett (and it was a process for him to become the player he is now, his first year starting at Georgia in 2020 he wasn't very good). Considering Day's offense is very QB-driven that's not a position he's ever going to take lightly on the recruiting trail.
Forget 5-star, or even 4-star. We need a LEGIT dual threat with serious leadership attributes. Period, end of story. We are in a 2 year big game slide because we are zero for 2 on those qualifications. There is nothing inherently wrong with having a future Sunday qb on the roster, but understand that 'future sunday' does NOT directly translate to college big game success.
This exactly. Fields and Barrett were leaders and tough as nails. Haskins and Stroud, not at all. In the NFL, the tough guys who are winning are, for the most part, dual-threat guys: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Herbert, Hurts.... And in college, the big time guys who are leading their teams to great things are also dual-threat guys: Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Max Duggan, JJ McCarthy, Cam Rising,....
I'm not shedding a tear about losing a pocket passer who wouldn't have been on the field for 2-3 years.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Dual threat is a class by itself. All of them qb’s you mentioned came from different offensive types and most of them threw the ball ALOT. Mahomes was Texas tech air raid. Herbert was Oregon under a disciple of chip Kelley. Hurts had zero nfl chances til he went to Oklahoma under pass happy Lincoln Riley. Same for Williams. Saban changed his offense to fit tua and young types. Duggan is playing for another air raid guy. Long story short most if not all wanted and did pass a lot! They just had that extra running gear at times as well. So it fits that the right guy would shine in days offense but you gotta find the right guy. Not the system like most think.
You nailed it. I don't have ANYTHING against CJ, he seems like a REALLY good kid, in nearly every measurable way. He also seems like he'll live a life of value. Having stated ALL of that, we won't even remember his name 5 years from now in conjunction with buckeye football. Cold? maybe. Cruel? you could argue that. But that's just the way it is.
Considering Ohio State fans still remember guys like Steve Bellisari and Joe Bauserman for how notoriously bad they were here and for being the gold standard of what NOT to be as an Ohio State QB I highly doubt that. Despite the 0-2 record against Michigan CJ is always going to have a legacy of his own here (and if Ohio State shocks people in the playoff somehow that legacy will grow).
Bauserman and Bellisari are NOT widely known or discussed, so there's that. There's no legacy for CJ, unless you count piling up wins against Big 10 also rans. Which is your right, of course.
Bauserman and Bellisari are NOT widely known or discussed, so there's that.
Ummmm, Bauserman is literally a meme amongst our fanbase for terrible QB play (see the infamous Joe Bauserman passing chart). So this is completely untrue. He was so terrible (despite only starting 3 games in 2011 and appearing in 5) that his name will never be forgotten by Ohio State fans because of that.
I would give his 5 star qb ass back in a second for 2 4 star offensive tackles. We better have a dual threat qb next year cause he may be running for his life. With Day and this offense we will find as many qbs. As we need. We need to find oline, and dline help although I will acknowledge we got a few good dlinemen in this coming class Cornerback and running back are another position I would worry about before qb
It's a crapshoot these days on whether these kids will actually attend the school they've committed to. The commitment means zilch. The Bucks will do a lot more than survive. Poor Coach Day is getting blamed by some, for everything negative, real, or perceived. Careful of what you wish for and stop all the damn moaning. So many dumbasses on here that wouldn't know a football from a turd. 45-5
5 Stars don’t mean a damn thing if he’s not developed properly. Ryan Day and Corey Dennis develop QB’s as well as anyone. Bring them a 3 star guy, and watch him turn into a “5 star guy” when they are done with him.
I find it funny how we have so many here know what these kids will do and who starts before they get to OSU. Many great high school players have failed and maybe just as many not highly recruited players went past expectations. Another is this qb situation I am upset about this as most here. Another quirky thing we bring up is players in the MidWest don't get their due in rankings well what about a player from S. Dakota how many of these experts have seen him play. Lastly about qb's which is a waste of time and ink next years starting qb will be who the staff feels can win and lead the team not who we think it will or should be. However this will be asked a million times and there will be no answer until the Spring or later so why do we need to know now. Good luck about the o line starters we may have some that are not even on the team yet.
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Go hard after Davis. It would be nice to land a five-star that SCUM really wants. In addition, take the Ohio guy, Montgomery, in 2025.
But will Davis accept? I think there's too much ground to make up
give em an extra $500,000
There’s a reason he hasn’t committed yet. And Michigan fans are worried, which is a good thing lol.
Agreed and that’s my question below.
#FuckEm
thats how you move forward
Over it
Boom, that is what it is. If they ain't with us, fuck 'em. No disrespect to the guy, but if he goes to Nebraska, he was never serious about his career.
Because he chooses Nebraska or another school over Ohio State he isn’t serious about his career? Really?
He definitely does not care about winning national championships if he picks Nebraska, a program that has not been relevant since the 1990s.
In fairness, we have only won 1 national championship in almost 20 years.
We have 2 in exactly 20 years. Isn’t that clear?
I said in almost 20 years. Obviously reading my post wasn’t clear to you. The loss of Raiola sucks but it is what it is. Stop with the excuses, it is what it is and move on. We will be fine.
So you deliberately added the word "almost" to exclude that second championship. Nice troll move. Is "almost" literally just 19 years? Is it 18? Or is it even 15?
In the past 19 years since you want to specifically exclude our second championship the count of titles is as follows (not including ones won but vacated due to NCAA violations)
Alabama - 6
LSU - 3
Clemson - 2
Florida - 2
Ohio State, USC, Georgia, Florida State, Auburn, Texas - 1
Of all those schools only Ohio State and Georgia have a shot this year at winning another. Florida just played in a December 18th bowl game and got destroyed 33-3.
Only Bama, USC, and Clemson are playing in a New Years 6 bowl game this year outside of Ohio State and Georgia. Ohio State, if it is able to beat Georgia, would become the first program to win all of the NYD bowls.
Note that teams like Oklahoma, Notre Dame, ttun, Penn State are nowhere to be found on that list. And only Bama and Clemson have more appearances in the CFP than Ohio State.
Despite our challenges I will take where we are as program.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Speaking of national championships. Two 3-star Ohio State QBs have won national titles in the last 10 years. One in the 2014 season and one in 2019. 3-star guys. One of them was the first overall pick in the draft. Put that into perspective, and let sink in. I think TOSU will be just fine with their recent 4-star QBs on roster and the South Dakota kid. Wish Raiola well and good luck. TOSU will be fine without him.
Sorry, Burrow won a national championship at LSU. To stake claim to his championship is embarrassing.
Regardless, Burrow was an under the radar 3-star when being recruited out of high school who proceeded to win a National Championship and Heisman while at LSU. It’s a fact that he played several years at Ohio State before graduation then transfer to LSU. Burrow won that title at LSU (and might not have won it if some replay officials gave a certain game away to Clemson) and no one claims otherwise. How is that embarrassing?
The point was that sometimes players are either under ranked or developed later, and they can become championship calibre without the 5-stars.
Time and change will surely show how firm thy friendship, O HI O.
Burrow was a 4 star
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
Troy Smith was a 3-star.
I'd take a Troy right about now.
Fuck Michigan
Troy was a product of fantastic player development by Joe Daniels at the time. His first couple of years as the starter we saw exactly why he was a 3-star recruit (he could barely throw an accurate screen pass in his early seasons and threw the ball way too hard). In 2006 so much about his game changed for the better.
11 Strong.
No. Only if he chooses Nebraska, as the other commenter stated. Any team that has aspirations of competing for a national championship needs to have at least 3-4 elite starters. Nebraska will not have that during the next 3-5 years. After all, it is a team sport. Just look at Caleb Williams. And he’s at USC.
Yoda888
You never know how these things turn out.
Losing out on Raiola might allow us to get Davis keeping him away from ttun. Davis may end up being better.
If he's all arm talent with no wheels, then, I'm a bit relieved he moved on because that'll only get you so far. Hoping Day is, too, but I doubt it.
Besides, we have a 2023 commit with wheels and I'm hoping either DB or KMc got an extra gear in them.
Losing Raiola sucks, no way around it. But if there is a position where Day has proven himself, it’s at QB. Any intelligent, highly rated QB would be silly to not have OSU high on their list.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
Justin Fields’ mentor even said that Ryan Day was one of the best at developing QBs..
Offer Jack Germaine He’s probably undersized, not highly recruited or thought of but he wins and won’t go away. Just like his dad.
There is still time to recover so I guess there is that silver lining. It’s worth a punt to reach out to Davis but I can’t imagine he would want to come here after the staff went with Raiola over him. I doubt that sat well with him. Hopefully we get Montgomery in 2025.
The ole hits keep coming.
Doesn't Ohio produce QB's worth a damn anymore?
Well sadly we could have had one but he's at Penn State.
Instead we go after kids that aren't really committed here even after they say they're coming here.
Going after the mighty Quinn ruined it for Ohio State. Day and company should have pursued the Ohio kid first.
That's some serious Monday Morning QBing. At the time Ewers was the #1 prospect in HS and recognized as the top QB prospect since the Fields/Lawrence year. I'm not sure Allar was even a 4-star at the time.
The staff also had no clue at the time that Ewers would re-classify at the last second, which screwed a lot up. Let's be honest that no staff was turning down the #1 overall recruit for a 3-star QB. Just how things go sometimes.
I mean Ewers was the straight up better prospect hands down. Can't really blame Day and Co. for going for the more talented kid (regardless of him not sticking around for more than a year).
11 Strong.
Ryan Montgomery?
It seems that 99 percent of Ohio high school coaches are incapable of developing top notch quarterbacks.
We do, but, when a coach can't see greatness, then, greatness walks out the front door, heads south to Louisiana, wins a natty, heisman and every other award known to mankind all the while letting everyone know he's from Ohio.
What a bad take. Burrow got hurt and lost the job to a guy that was a top 20 draft pick. He also wasn’t that great his first year at LSU.
Stating it any other way is revisionist history, at best.
dude, you're nuts. seriously. lol. burrow walked on to a new team, missed spring with his new team, learned an entirely new offense in less than 5 weeks, went 10-3 in the toughest conference in the country, won the Fiesta Bowl and was named MVP of that bowl in his first year. Yeah, that's not great. Oh, and he didn't lose his job. Meyer was too pig-headed to recognize burrow's greatness because burrow wasn't his recruit.
Yeah, and as bad as his WRs were, it's incredible he made it to 10 wins that year.
How wasn't Burrow his recruit?
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Burrow was Tom Herman's guy. Herman was his lead recruiter. From what I read, Herman had to convince Meyer he was good enough to be at OSU.
Haskins was Meyer's guy.
Haskins was Day's guy. He was completely ill-suited to run the type of offense that Meyer wanted to run (heavy RPO and QB run) due to his limited mobility. The only QB in that room going into 2018 that was actually Urban's guy was Martell.
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Well that last part has a lot to do with the fact that currently he's playing for an Ohio-based NFL team and is being hailed as a "hometown hero" there. If Burrow had been drafted by any non-Ohio NFL franchise people wouldn't care as much about his Ohio roots. His Ohio roots get talked about often because Cincinnati is 2 and a half hours away from where he grew up. That actually has little to do with Ohio State.
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You ain’t getting Davis after they shunned him and now he is all in on TTUN.
You can say what you want about not saying he doesn’t want competition but that’s pretty clear what happened here. We land a top guy from 2023 this week and have the top guy from 2025 on campus this weekend.
How is that pretty clear? Do you have info you would like to share where he said he wasn’t happy with being over recruited? It sucks he decommited but we can recover.
Word from his camp were that they has recent issues with Day. We got a top 23 recruit this week and are courting the top guy from 25. Pretty clear to me.
Recent issues with Day doesn’t make it any more clear on what those issues were. Maybe they were upset that Day won’t bring in an offensive coordinator who will call plays on offense. Maybe they have issues with Day being 1-2 against Michigan. Doesn’t seem pretty clear at all.
Those seem like your issues.
Those issues are just as probably as your issue. We already had a commitment from a 23 QB who flipped to Florida State so that wasn’t an issue. For class of 25, we were already recruiting several QBs hard including Ryan Montgomery. So, no it isn’t Clear like you seem to make it out to be.
It’s clear to me. Maybe not to you. Go argue with someone else.
Enjoy your theory.
I ain't messin with you tonight.
Mods should be expected to comport themselves with a higher maturity level than this. If you want to put forth claims/accusations without sources, don’t get butthurt when someone questions your claims or has a different opinion.
Indiana is just Ohio West
If you want insight into this mods maturity go back and read his comment on this site regarding Butch Jones. He commented that a D1 head coach looks like the type of guy who sniffs his fingers after scratching his ass. Instead of being banned he continues as a mod and bans others.
Apply for the job since you seem to know all about how it should be done. Then YOU get to deal with all the ass hats trying to pick a fight - like yourself, for example.
I'd argue its much more likely the other way. Everyone thought Lincoln Kienholz was protection from Brown or McCord transferring, and it was probably because they knew Raiola was already out, and it just took until today for us to find out..
Go Bucks!!!
Who's everyone? All of you youngsters on here? I happen to think that Lincoln Kienholz is going to be a tremendous talent barring a major set-back but that can happen to anyone (Raiola)
I can guarantee you, Judgement Day won't be rigged
I agree, I would also love to see our guys bring in Mabrey Mettauer, Quick reactions, plays at the highest level of Texas football, and is 6'5" runs angry!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
He reminds me of Clemson's QB DJ. A little on the hefty side but can throw. So not too upset he decommiteed.
I bet you wouldn’t have said you wished he would decommit a week ago. Talked about sour grapes.
Many assume he’s going to Nebraska due to family ties. Have these people considered Ohio State lost a commit for other, merit based reasons?
People on here think he decomitted because we overrecruited or that he weighed to much to play QB here or that he wasn’t a dual threat. A lot of sour grapes in here.
Yes, it’s because Ohio State sucks.
You have a lot of opinions on this. Go have a drink.
Dylan Who?
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Dylan my phone for a new QB!
Beat Georgia or at least play like a playoff team. Perilous times. Need to hang onto B1G #2 power ranking.
Robert M
Agreed. Just don’t appear on national TV being dominated in any facets of the game. Demonstrate that we can hang w Georgia and all will be forgiven. Beating them is icing on the cake.
Yoda888
In today's world, I wonder how long he would have stuck with us. If you are the nation's #1 recruit, are you really going to sit behind some guys for a couple of years? Or even one year? If he does opt for Nebraska since his uncle is a coach there, he's probably guaranteed to start right away. Here? Not so much.
It's kind of hard to get excited about recruits anymore. Between decommitting before signing and transferring before you even learn their jersey numbers, what's the point?
And Day needs to get over his aversion to the portal. Free agency is here, and if you aren't partaking in it, you are foolish. Go out and get the most talented guys you can find no matter the avenue, and the best guy plays. Period. We might be able to replace this loss with a transfer QB next year.
True story: I served ribs to John Cooper.
Agreed about the portal. Michigan was just awarded the Joe Moore award for the second straight year for the best OL in college football. Now they are bringing in two talented offensive tackles from Arizona State and Stanford respectively, and the top-rated player in the portal in a LB from Nebraska. We can't run the ball with our own non-portal recruits, how's that working out?
OSUAlumInAZ
If Jadyn Davis is all TTUN, then why hasn’t he committed yet?
It’s not like he can’t just change his mind….
This is why it's hard to follow or get excited about recruiting. All it takes is one change or one commit that another recruit doesn't like and they gone. I agree with all who have said that best of luck to him but we move on by moving on. He don't wanna be a Buckeye that's on him let him go try his luck learning from someone else. I feel like if whoever starts next year balls out then we may see some high rated flip happen.
If McCord and Brown are the real deals, I think we can skate by this. As long as we land top 5* in the 2025 class. Only 1 about can play.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Anytime day has lost one he has quickly zeroed in on another one and got them. No reason to think this time will be different.
Bye Quinn, I mean Dylan
QB room still looks good to me..... I have a feeling it will work out in the Buckeye's favor.
CBus love
Have to wonder about NIL money influence here. I think recruiting rankings in general don't mean anything because a school can come along and offer more money. Not sure it is worth paying attention to who is on the team until August 1st. Call me no longer interested in following recruitng.
JBuckI
Just like I said when he committed, here comes Quinn Ewers II - and, now we have it.
Good for you. Give yourself a cookie.
We giving out cookies?My wife says we can't have any and they're all for stupid everyone else.
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Those cookie eaters are all soft.
I don't think you can expect a young man who is only Sophomore to know what they want. Especially in this day and age. I say just wish him well, wherever he ends up. I wouldn't mind seeing hm end up at Nebraska, but can they afford him? High School star ratings don't mean anything anyway... (Tate Martell). And the Buckeyes will have an outstanding QB in there. I trust Coach Day and the rest of the team to make that happen. Good luck Dylan, wherever you land.
Maverick
With the portal now in play any quarterback is fair game and would be interested in Ohio State, with Ryan Day as the quarterback whisperer.
I may not get this exactly right but we had a mess on our hands at QB when Urban was leaving. Tate Martel was on the roster, as well as Matt Baldwin and Emory Jones was a commit (until he wasn't). Danny Clark was floating around there somewhere.
Justin Field shows up in the portal - Tate takes his ball and leaves, Jones pen runs out of ink and it is just Fields and Baldwin until Chug shows up. After that Day lands Stroud, McCord and Browne. I know Day wants 4 scholarship quarterbacks but with the portal and NIL, 3 maybe the new normal.
So it sucks to have this QB opening and the potential leader (on the field and in recruiting) but things have a way of working out.
Go Bucks!
Beat Jawja
Craig Krenzel won a National Championship and probably wasn't even considered a three star. Troy Smith won a Heisman and competed in the National Championship. He was recruited as an Athlete and projected to play corner back on defense. Urban Meyer didn't even want to offer Joe Burrow. Players play, stars hold out and protect their draft status. Let's just get a competitor who wants to be a Buckeye!
otis68
+1... Troy actually was a ST returner for a short time. Tress has no clue where to play him until... CK might be the worst throwing QB to have won a NC. He was the leading the rusher in the NC. Losing this guy will sting for a but but Day and The Bucks will be fine.
I loved Krenzel but we'd never be able to win a Natty with a QB like him under center now. The game has changed too much. The closest comparison to Krenzel nowadays is probably Stetson Bennett and he was a Heisman candidate this year (something that Krenzel never came close to being in his two years as the starter at Ohio State).
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Not to sound like a stupid or naive question, but is Raiola completely out of the picture? Nothing has been said if he is still considering OSU, but wants to reevaluate all options
His Dad went to Nebraska, his uncle currently coaches there and speculation today was he's singing with "another b10 team"... and then this...
Moments after Raiola’s news went public, Nebraska coach Matt Rhule tweeted an Undertaker meme, hinting that something big is coming to Lincoln.
I think we all know where this is headed..
Go Bucks!!!!
He's also been showing love to TCU.
Fuck Michigan
It’s like thinking you’re pregnant but really just late. Can’t be sad over something that never happened.
Michael
Yeah, it’s just like that …
Yeah, except this is a bad outcome. Finding out your not pregnant is awesome. Losing a commit sucks balls.
Not if you really want to have a child............ Like everything else, it really just depends on where you are at in your life.
I can guarantee you, Judgement Day won't be rigged
A QB named "Air". How appropriate...
Wonder if he’s related to 11W member Airbuckeye?
I'll check in to that after I finish my cookie.
I’d be shocked if they truly land a huge name at this point. NIL structure doesn’t get built in a day. Point is it will not be ready by the time this closes. Go for 2025 and bite the bullet on this class
Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday
We have over a year with this class.
Here's something to think about and put into perspective: Two 3-star QBs from TOSU won national titles since 2014. One in 2014 and one in 2019. 3-star guys. One was chosen first overall in the draft. I think TOSU will be just fine and dandy with their 4-star guys on roster and with the 4-star South Dakota kid.
Wasn't McCord a 5 star?
Bobcat66
NIL started just 18 months ago, the 2024 class signs in 14 months. Somehow other schools have been able to get NIL “structure” in 18 months, but you don’t think 14 months is doable for the 2024 class?
Shatinkycat1
Yes but do we even know if OSU was going to jump on the NIL train when the legal case closed? Like when the clock officially started on NIL, all I’ve been reading is that OSU didn’t want to get their toes in the water because they wanted to take the high road. So if Gene was scene last week asking the coffers for money, that’s usually a bad sign that there is an infrastructure even implemented
Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday
A lot of those schools had NIL infrastructure for decades…way before it was known as NIL. They didn’t just create them from the ground up in 18 months.
This is a PERFECT opportunity for the university that trademarked “THE” to sue the pants off this kid, his parents, and whatever university OBVIOUSLY dumped a truckload of cash on his front doorstep. Oh, and before anyone gets their danders up about suing kids, let’s remember that you can sue anyone for anything. Secondly, let’s remember that there is SOLID case precedent for suing ANYONE for tortious interference in business relationships. And make no mistake, OSU was IN a business relationship with this kid (and Ewers) and they made a business commitment to OSU. It’s the freaking Wild West out there with NIL and the transfer portal, and it’s going to take the same level of legal presence setting lawsuits that gave us NIL to at least put some sort of guidelines in place to prevent this BS.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
He's just a kid, bro. His skull isn't even completely fused.
Lol, the "business relationship" would be established once the Letter of Intent has been returned to the school. Right now everything is in the negotiation phase.
And if you never want a high level recruit to sign with OSU again then sure, sue kids for changing their minds before they sign on the dotted line.
Everyone seems to be caught up on 4-Star, 5-Star stuff. Justin Zwich was a 5-Star. How did that pan out? We need players who love to play the game, not players who love to be a football player. There is a difference. The Raiola kid didn’t want to be a Buckeye, doesn’t understand what it means to be a Buckeye, don’t need that. We need gritty hard nosed Ohio players who want to make things happen instead of letting things happen and most importantly WANT to be a Buckeye.
DC
Dont get caught up in the recruiting rankings and hype of recruiting. Many 4 star recruits end up being better than their 5 star counterparts. Great QBs have an "it" factor, they welcome pressure and excel when it matters the most. For example, a kid out of Athens, OH was ranked the 298th player by ESPN 300 and graded an 80 which is 4 star level. He went on to win the heisman, NC, and is now starting QB for the Bengals and took them to a Super Bowl. Relax everyone, I think the Buckeyes may have just that in Brown and he is waiting his turn....
CBus love
A 5th year senior will be great for the next coach.Meanwhile the current coach gets fired before that 5 year development kicks in.
With the offense Ohio State is running now and the receiver recruits were getting, is a 5 star #1-2 ranked guy going to make a bigger difference than a 4 star #3-10 ranked recruit? Is a bigger concern higher ranked offensive linemen keeping the quarterback upright?
Also, from kids perspective looking at their long-term future, avoiding competition makes sense. When you look at the NFL Draft and see guys like Lance, Allen, Wentz being drafted high from no name schools, getting as much time on the field early to show out is way better for them then battling it out and sitting around waiting a few seasons.
I wasn’t a big fan of Raiola after seeing him play against the cornerback from Arizona Lockhart team. I think Day needs a duel quarterback to open up the offense. I would like for them to bring up Air Noland since they had time to evaluate him since they were recruiting Thurman. Raiola leaving is not a big deal since Brown and McCord are still here. The future is still bright and now quarterback recruiting is now turning into Christmas
Eric Toliver
I trust Day and the staff and I don't care how good this kid is, if his OL is average, he's average.
OSUAlumInAZ
This will probably sound like coach speak, but the way for everyone to forget about those who "tuck tail and run" from the program is the following:
The late, great Al Davis' philosophy on all such matters. Great players need not necessarily be what Scout, ESPN-U, or some other eggheaded BS chart website and service. Great players are developed here, regardless of their website ratings!
We have great coaches.
We have great players, regardless of their website ratings.
THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY. is a GREAT institution!
JUST WIN, OR DIE TRYING. Everything else will fall into place.
In other news, Georgia will compete for back to back national titles with former walk on QB Stetson Bennet.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
I mean it's not like the Mailman hasn't way outplayed his original recruiting rankings by now (he was a Heisman finalist this year for crying out loud). It happens. That DOESN'T mean you can roll the dice on every single walk-on QB having the same success he had. 95% of the time that doesn't happen and it's just a foolish risk to take (especially at a program like Ohio State). The last time we started a walk-on QB was Joe Bauserman's three starts to open the year in 2011 and we saw how that turned out.
Not to mention Stetson's path to becoming the full-time starter at Georgia was a very interesting one with a lot of twists and turns. In 2018 Fields was their prized 5-star recruit at QB but wasn't starting over Jake Fromm and was unhappy about that so he transferred here (and we all know the rest). In 2020 after Fromm left former Ohio State recruit D'Wan Mathis opened the year as the starter for Georgia and got benched for Stetson only for Stetson himself to be benched for Mathis and JT Daniels on two separate occasions later in the season (I remember because we were regularly clowning the Bulldogs for how much of a mess their QB room was at the time and how losing Fields hurt them significantly at that position). Last year the plan opening the year was never for Bennett to start. Daniels opened the year as the starter but missed games due to injury which opened the door for Stetson to reclaim the job (which led him to where he is now).
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If it weren't toxic enough around here, now we have a moderator trolling....?
Sadly, I see what you see.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
I refuse to worry about a qb that wasn’t possibly starting til likely 2025. Let Nebraska fight everyone off to keep him for 2-3 years. Bring me ones that only want to be buckeyes!
I wish we were as concerned with recruiting offensive lineman and corners as we are quarterbacks. Give me a great offensive line and a stout, attacking, shut down defense and the Buckeyes can even beat TTUN and win a natty with a just a "good" quarterback.
ernie
They literally chased okunlola til this past week even tho he never visited. Anything more than that is a B felony I think. Even ttun is chasing qb’s. It’s kind of a position most teams usually need.
Totally sad story. Apparently Dad is having a midlife crisis and the young QB isn't an actual intelligent human being capable of making an important personal choice. Nebraska was great 30 years ago son so they will be great again next year and don't forget THIS is not about you !
Sad, move on. We can watch this pathetic train wreck from a distance. I will always feel sorry for this young man who was robbed by his Dad.
Osu will be fine. Hell wasn’t Stetson Bennett a walk on? Like some of you said. A lot of the players that have had a great college career are 3 stars.
Doug
95% of walk-on QBs tend to turn out to be more like Joe Bauserman than Stetson Bennett. Bennett's rise is not exactly an answer to Ohio State's future at the QB position (which isn't going to come from a walk-on). Georgia more than anything got lucky with Bennett (and it was a process for him to become the player he is now, his first year starting at Georgia in 2020 he wasn't very good). Considering Day's offense is very QB-driven that's not a position he's ever going to take lightly on the recruiting trail.
11 Strong.
Forget 5-star, or even 4-star. We need a LEGIT dual threat with serious leadership attributes. Period, end of story. We are in a 2 year big game slide because we are zero for 2 on those qualifications. There is nothing inherently wrong with having a future Sunday qb on the roster, but understand that 'future sunday' does NOT directly translate to college big game success.
O-H
This exactly. Fields and Barrett were leaders and tough as nails. Haskins and Stroud, not at all. In the NFL, the tough guys who are winning are, for the most part, dual-threat guys: Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Herbert, Hurts.... And in college, the big time guys who are leading their teams to great things are also dual-threat guys: Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Max Duggan, JJ McCarthy, Cam Rising,....
I'm not shedding a tear about losing a pocket passer who wouldn't have been on the field for 2-3 years.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Dual threat is a class by itself. All of them qb’s you mentioned came from different offensive types and most of them threw the ball ALOT. Mahomes was Texas tech air raid. Herbert was Oregon under a disciple of chip Kelley. Hurts had zero nfl chances til he went to Oklahoma under pass happy Lincoln Riley. Same for Williams. Saban changed his offense to fit tua and young types. Duggan is playing for another air raid guy. Long story short most if not all wanted and did pass a lot! They just had that extra running gear at times as well. So it fits that the right guy would shine in days offense but you gotta find the right guy. Not the system like most think.
You nailed it. I don't have ANYTHING against CJ, he seems like a REALLY good kid, in nearly every measurable way. He also seems like he'll live a life of value. Having stated ALL of that, we won't even remember his name 5 years from now in conjunction with buckeye football. Cold? maybe. Cruel? you could argue that. But that's just the way it is.
O-H
Considering Ohio State fans still remember guys like Steve Bellisari and Joe Bauserman for how notoriously bad they were here and for being the gold standard of what NOT to be as an Ohio State QB I highly doubt that. Despite the 0-2 record against Michigan CJ is always going to have a legacy of his own here (and if Ohio State shocks people in the playoff somehow that legacy will grow).
11 Strong.
Bauserman and Bellisari are NOT widely known or discussed, so there's that. There's no legacy for CJ, unless you count piling up wins against Big 10 also rans. Which is your right, of course.
O-H
Ummmm, Bauserman is literally a meme amongst our fanbase for terrible QB play (see the infamous Joe Bauserman passing chart). So this is completely untrue. He was so terrible (despite only starting 3 games in 2011 and appearing in 5) that his name will never be forgotten by Ohio State fans because of that.
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Would be more disappointed if it was any position other than QB. Can only play one at time we aren't hurting for good QB recruits.
I would give his 5 star qb ass back in a second for 2 4 star offensive tackles. We better have a dual threat qb next year cause he may be running for his life. With Day and this offense we will find as many qbs. As we need. We need to find oline, and dline help although I will acknowledge we got a few good dlinemen in this coming class Cornerback and running back are another position I would worry about before qb
It's a crapshoot these days on whether these kids will actually attend the school they've committed to. The commitment means zilch. The Bucks will do a lot more than survive. Poor Coach Day is getting blamed by some, for everything negative, real, or perceived. Careful of what you wish for and stop all the damn moaning. So many dumbasses on here that wouldn't know a football from a turd. 45-5
Schichata
5 Stars don’t mean a damn thing if he’s not developed properly. Ryan Day and Corey Dennis develop QB’s as well as anyone. Bring them a 3 star guy, and watch him turn into a “5 star guy” when they are done with him.
I find it funny how we have so many here know what these kids will do and who starts before they get to OSU. Many great high school players have failed and maybe just as many not highly recruited players went past expectations. Another is this qb situation I am upset about this as most here. Another quirky thing we bring up is players in the MidWest don't get their due in rankings well what about a player from S. Dakota how many of these experts have seen him play. Lastly about qb's which is a waste of time and ink next years starting qb will be who the staff feels can win and lead the team not who we think it will or should be. However this will be asked a million times and there will be no answer until the Spring or later so why do we need to know now. Good luck about the o line starters we may have some that are not even on the team yet.
Denny
SOME people believe this is the beginning of the end ! I do not I think we will get better and be the team that people respect and fear !
Coachthl68
Two things,
I have tremendous confidence in Ryan Day the QB development process.
I hope we go after Mabrey Mettauer as stated earlier, 6'5" quick reactions/decisions at the highest level of Texas football. Runs angry!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk