You have at least figured out how to make your potential greyed out comments still effective by using a GIF. At least until there is an upgrade to the 11W comment software.
Cause - I’m just impressed that someone else on here knows who Mr French is ! Here’s the million dollar question, do you know the actor’s real name without googling it ?
I suspect Hartline will call plays with Ryan Day in his ear giving suggestions and vetoing so that Day can also veto defensive play calls based on situation
Hartline will participate in the game planning with Day but there is no way that Hartline will be given the ability to call plays. We had an experienced OC who wasn’t allowed to call the plays…no way a first timer is doing it.
I suspect Day continues to call plays while Hartline learns and when Day is comfortable with Brian he turns it over. Not a fail to keep a highly coveted coaching prospect in house at little cost. Not to mention he's your best recruiter.
One of OUR own climbing that ladder!! Congrats Coach Hartline!! GO BUCKS!!…..With that red banner alert I thought they were finally doing the right thing and canning that bum Holtmann!!
I agree. Great position coach, great recruiter, but no coordinator experience. Can’t compare him to replace Kevin Wilson. In Ryan Day we trust, I suppose.
He’s stepping into a position where all the pieces are already in place, players, coaches, assistants, analyst, playbook etc. He will have all the support he needs, should be no concern. Hope he gets involved in O-line recruiting and encourages the QB to run when needed.
I think I side with moderately optimistic (is that a thing?). Hartline is a young mind with relentless determination. His expedited rise up the ladder is not by happenstance and I believe we would be unruly to think he hasn't been analyzing play calling since he stepped foot in the program. Although, somewhat parallel to Coombs' situation logistically, I think Hartline is ahead of where he was at the time in football intelligence to the respective side of the football.
If Day decides to ease transition of play calling duties over to Hartline, I hope he follows through on his plans/intentions without diversion. We know Day has mentioned the idea, which EV touched on here https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/01/136617/kirk-herbstreit-says-ryan-day-is-considering-giving-up-offensive-playcalling-duties, and his past methodologies have been running their course. The defense needs more oversight, especially during games to improve adjustments (ie. for one, loss at home to Oregon via not adjusting to the SAME running play from their offense).
Home versus Youngstown State, Western Kentucky, and Maryland are great opportunities to let the reins go close to entirety. Additionally, at Purdue, and Rutgers should support this trend. Obviously any game TOSU is ahead comfortably will also support this.
Point being I think it's time for him to let go a certain percentage of play calling responsibilities and I hope he follows through on whatever word he gives on the matter. I got to chat with Hartline in the weightroom when I was enrolled and he was calm and kind in his demeanor but you could tell he had the look in his eyes that he would end anybody who threatened him or his loved ones. Ted Rx.
Commodore, I hear what you are saying, caution is always wise, but I am somewhat optimistic. Coombs actually struggled at times as a position coach, especially Bradley Roby's last year when we got torched by MSU in the Big Ten championship game and then Clemson in the Orange Bowl. I attribute a lot of Coombs's success to working under Chris Ash, a legit secondary coach. Also, Coombs was legitimately the defensive coordinator when he took over. He was on his own, whereas we all know that Day is going to be there to help/micromanage Hartline. I think we can continue to expect an elite passing offensive and great receiver play. The main question for me is how the run game will develop, which has been lackluster to non-existent in big games the last few years.
This is my exact thought. OSU is not a place to learn/ cut your teeth at coordinator. I know this may be more of a title than anything as I don’t ever see Coach Day giving up the call sheet.
Cautiously optimistic. We don't need another Kerry Coombs.
I look at it somewhat similarly.
Maybe Coombs would have been a good defensive coordinator if he had cut his teeth doing that some place else than at Ohio State? I don't think he (or Day) fully grasped the reality that Ohio State always has a big target on its back -- Every opposing offensive coordinator will show no mercy whatsoever if they feel that Ohio State has a weakness tactically or strategically. A win is a career highlight on their resume.
This is where I'm hopeful-but-somewhat wary of Hartline being the OC: On the bright side, there's the fact that he's probably the best young position coach in all of college football. On the darker side, he will need to show that he can play chess against (and continually outwit) multiple seasoned defensive coordinators.
What I hope happens is that Hartline already understands this and becomes a great manager, instead of an instant hero. Leverage the wisdom on hand (e.g. Day, Frye, Alford and every other veteran coach) before diving into the deep side of the pool.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
And the next step in Ohio Stte's progress moving forward. Hartline hasn't yet done the OC job but Hartline is proven winner and I would place a Big Bet on him to succeed beyond expectations in this new role. A Great Day for Ohio State Football!
If Garrett Riley can win the Broyles award calling plays at this stage of his career I am confident Hartline can crush it. He has played at the highest level, he knows when someone is overmatched and how to exploit that.
As much as people will complain about his lack of experience calling plays this is the right move. Keeping him on staff is essential.
As much as people are angry with the defensive coaches right now I don't see any of them going anywhere (unless LJ retires that is). The next coaching staff move should be to replace Parker Fleming with a real ST coordinator who also coaches a position group (and has recruiting responsibilities).
For all we know, Day and Hartline have been preparing for this day for quite awhile. Day has Hartline's back in case there are hiccups along the way. Hartline is a smart guy and has probably been studying up regularly on the theory and practice of utilizing the run game along with his own specialty. I consider this a Home Run move! Never bet against Hartline, he is a proven winner.
I know the love fest for Hartline but he has never been anything but one part of the offense and thats recruiting and coaching receivers. I wish him well and hope for the best but I also hope this is not a repeat of Kerry Coombs who failed but at least ran an entire team even though it was a high school team. OMO which means little I don't like the direction of our football program.
I'd love to see the old high button shoe on 3rd or 4th and 1. Couldn't be much worse than what we saw in a few games this year, dontcha think? Maybe we would've gotten a few more first downs against Northwestern. Lol.
You’re right I do disagree with people that disagree with me. Feel better now? I think the program is doing well. They just hired the best offensive position coach in all of college football to be OC. Why is that a bad direction to go whether it works out well or not?
Every hire has the potential to be great or horrible or did I miss the ones that are stamped can’t miss? Even past success isn’t a guaranteed success at a new place. Clemson just hired Garrett Riley. Are they getting the great OC or the one that putbupb7 points against Georgia? Who knows
No not at all but Days track record has not been strong in hires to many bad ones if you go by the BOARD. Walton and Knowles on the hot seat after just one season from many on here. Coombs enough said I like Frye but like Knowles and Walton playing with the cards dealt to them and the o line was not much better than before he got here last year. Recruiting had an uptick though and so far this year too. Fleming's position another questionable move most don't care for on the board. Hartline has been near perfect as one can get recruiting and coaching wide receivers this next gig better work out or maybe the top is the issue many question his play calling and for him to give it up if he does tells us something.
Unclutch your pearls people, this is a textbook case of a Win, Win for our Buckeye’s.
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
A missed FG from a NC. We are not far off. I like Day and i like this hire. I am choosing to be optimistic and excited about this team moving forward. Its pretty fun
Agreed A.buck. I am very vocal about Day’s refusal to develop and stick with a running game unless the backs are gaining 6+ yards a carry from the start. That’s an easy fix that just takes a willingness to change and fortitude to stick with it. Other than that I wouldn’t want any other coach in the country.
I have to think he had some hand in the offense all along. I've seen him on the sideline in serious discussions with other positions so I'm thinking he was involved overall.
Exactly. He was passing game coordinator. I also believe that all of the offensive staff meet each week for game planning. So Day, Wilson, Hartline, Frye, and Alford would have all been in the game planning meetings each week. It's not like route running is the only thing he knows
Exactly this, plus he was WR and we need to be able to run the ball, half me believes that’s part of Day’s reluctancy to run the ball cause he was a QB and wants to sling it all over the yard, I think it was a logical hire and needed to be done eventually to keep him on staff, hopefully he does great and keeps the offense humming.
You’re not wrong. But me no thinks he’ll actually be calling plays this year. More likely learning the ropes from Day for a season or two before taking over. And in the meantime we get to reap the rewards of him recruiting a few offensive linemen and running backs.
Well I’d guess due to lack of experience, and outside exposure in part. Also does he go up in the booth; meaning no more one on one w WRs. I hope he kills it and obviously we want to keep him on staff, but look no further than Coombs; great position coach/terrible DC.
At the end of the day no one posting here really knows if he’s qualified or not, since we’re not in the meeting rooms where they discuss scheme and playbook. If Day is willing to make this move then he must feel he’s ready. (Or, in Machiavellian fashion, he knows he’s NOT ready and wants to keep play calling duties for himself.)
LFG! Im not sure why the majority seemed to think Frye was going to be the choice over Hartline..Congratulations on a long overdue promotion! I hope he kills it.
Yeah but he didn't call plays, the main job for an offensive coordinator. He had the title but not the actual job. If we are comparing resumes as a position coach Hartline is the best in the country, while Justin Frye is an elite coach imo... If we had to pick a coach to keep its Hartline, and this promotion is how you guarantee that.
I thought he would make Frye and Hartline Co-Coordinators given OSU’s proclivity for such an arrangement. One could focus on game planning and play calling responsibilities while the other manages day to day responsibilities.
On one hand, anything to keep Hartline on staff is fine by me. On the other hand, he has no playcalling experience.
This move tells me two things.
1) Day wasn't ready to hand the reins of the offense over and step into the CEO role. He will still be very involved with playcalling and maybe even the primary placaller still considering Hartline's lack of experience playcalling.
2) To me, this feels like a grooming Hartline to be the next head coach move. Not that any NFL team is currently banging on Day's door to hire him, but I think that day will come and right now they think Hartline is the guy.
I am not sure number 2 would be a plan. I do not think you expect your head coach to go anywhere and have a backup just in case. I could be wrong though but generally you get a guy who brings in their own guys.
If Day leaves for whatever reason Fickell will absolutely be the first guy they call given that he's much more established as a HC right now (depending on what he does at Wisconsin of course).
1) Day wasn't ready to hand the reins of the offense over and step into the CEO role. He will still be very involved with playcalling and maybe even the primary placaller still considering Hartline's lack of experience playcalling.
This seems to be a common train of thought...that Day isn't ready to turn the keys over hence why he promoted Hartline. While I agree that it could be possible, the exact opposite could also be possible.
Day mentioned giving up play calling prior to promoting Hartline. Therefore one could say that he knows Hartline is ready, has been working at preparing himself to be the OC and Day feels he is ready.
The funny thing is, not a single one of us knows what happens in the Woody. Who knows how much Hartline has been involved in the offense and to what degree? Not a single person here.
I believe this is a great move by Day (someone I am still not 100% sold on) and am excited to see our offense as well as how this impacts recruiting
Congrats Ryan, you are a Buckeye through and through!
Since he's the o coordinator now does that leave a opening for the wr coach position? Didn't know if the wr position coach counts against the 10 we are allowed to have or if he is keeping that job as well.
He'll probably do both. Wilson had both OC and TE room last several years. Keenan Bailey will probably help with both. He helped in the TE room this past season while he was the assistant WR coach.
In the event they do look around for a new WR coach, they should at least give Smooth Jazz/Kenny G a look. Two years now in the SEC and coached Treylon Burks (first round, pick 18, 2022 draft) in his final year. Recruiting could be a question as he's landed some 4 stars but no 5 stars yet (though getting 5 stars to Ohio State is probably easier than Arkansas).
Surprised it wasn't Frye, at least as Co-OCs. Like the move. Hopefully Day turns over play calling...everything will still go through his headset so I'd imagine he could veto anything he didn't like.
Exactly. It's completely different from Coombs where Day was hoping he'd be the head coach of the defense and Day wouldn't have to focus on it. Now he can veto both and since he was the play caller on offense before, he can help Hartline out more if needed.
Right. I was mostly concerned about the OLine going in. Just look at the UGA game. A friend already mentioned next season [w/who’s leaving] and I automatically thought, I’m not too concerned.
That’s fair. And I thought that too. But I also thought what if 5, 19, and even 10 were given snaps in some of those games. Would we have found something then? Couldn’t have hurt for a series or two.
I'm a bit concerned with his recruiting. Not much to show for his first year. I realize that most recruiting involves a multi-year commitment to developing relationships, so we'll have to wait and see how he does, but he can't have another year like this one, or he's not the guy.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
I think Day would have gone Frye here had the OL been going into next year with more stability. I bet Day and Frye had a conversation and probably both agreed that it might be better for Frye to focus on developing the OL this year and reevaluate after the year about his position on the staff(play calling). I bet he's going to have some sort of say though.
I assume Day weighed that factor. My guess is Day also realized Hartline has ambitions and "loyal Buckeye" or not, he was probably nearing the end of the period where he'd be satisfied being only a position coach.
Is it possible that he is so darn good at coaching the WR room that he is doing it in sleep and adding OC responsibilities will have little impact on the WR room. How many people do you know that do their jobs so effortlessly that they make it look easy? Suspect that is where Day is at with Hartline.
Daybis going to end up in the NFL at some point. He's been responsible for the development of Burrow, Haskins Fields and Stroud. At some point the NFL offers will be too much to turn down
Hartline has been uber successful at everything he does from OSU receiver to NFL receiver to running gas stations and drive-thru's and coaching. Day knows he going to kill it as OC.
Some guys just have "it" and Hartline seems to be one of those. What's the old saying? " Ths best make it look easy"?
That's Hartline. He's arguably been the best position coach of any position in college right off the bat in the last 4-5yrs.
Great move by Day promoting him
People bring up “NFL offers that Day can’t turn down” but elite HCs at blue blood programs make more than most NFL HCs do. In fact, Day’s current salary at $9.5mil/year (not including bonuses) tops all but 3 NFL coaches (McVay = $15mil, Belichick = $12.5, and Carroll = $11mil) and is the same as Shanahan’s. All are proven, SB winners with 10+ years experience; McVay being the only outlier with 7. The rest of the active HCs with that resume currently make less than Day (Harbaugh = $9mil, Tomlin & Reid = $8mil). Looking past the top12 salaries it’s $4-$5mil, waaay less than Day makes.
Additionally, tOSU wouldn’t hesitate to drop $12 mil to keep Day around if he gets us over the hump and brings home a NC (or multiple). What NFL team is going to drop that kind of money? Especially with Meyer’s disastrous stint in the NFL as a cautionary reminder to many owners. Day going to the NFL will happen because he wants to prove himself at the highest level, not because he will “get an offer he can’t refuse”. IMO he won’t be ready to move on before accomplishing all off his goals at the collegiate level, which include winning at least 1 NC trophy. Only if college FB becomes such a toxic cest pool that it overshadows his passion for coaching his players do I see him leaving earlier, but at the same time he might consider himself a quitter or a failure if he does. Ultimately it’s going to be up to him and when he feels that he has accomplished all he can and has nothing left to prove, not because the NFL comes calling.
IIRC Hartline was very unhappy about the QB change from Boeckman to Pryor in 2008 because it completely neutered the passing game and made the receivers less involved in the offense. I think he'll definitely value establishing the run but he is very much a pass-first guy (and with the receivers we have why wouldn't he be).
I remember that offense and overall I think Tressel made the right call. Was it 07 or 08 when OSU got completely destroyed by So Cal in LA? That was the beginning of the Pryor era from what I recall.
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That was 2008. Pryor wasn't here in 2007. Tressel made the switch because our offensive line was really bad at the time and Boeckman was a statue in the pocket who had a tendency to fold under pressure so they used Pryor's mobility and ability to extend plays to mask the poor O-line play. The problem was Pryor was inaccurate as shit throwing the ball that season and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (hence why they went back to Boeckman in the bowl game to jump start the passing game).
I'd doubt it. His NFL experience, and experience as our WR coach in an NFL offense with NFL WR talent would probably override his few years in a Tressel offense.
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I don’t think it works like that in every case. Kind of like o line coach OC’s. People think that means more running, like o linemen don’t pass block lol good OC’s know you need both and more importantly, day knows that and he’s still HC.
I think you guys are worried about the wrong thing. Until proven differently, it could impact RB recruiting. It would be easy for a guy like Harbaugh (or anyone, frankly) to tell a recruit to look before he leaps before committing to Ohio State. Day, for all of his talk about balance, was a pass first HC with Stroud as his QB. Sure, it showed he was playing to his team's strengths, but again, a guy like Harbaugh will say "good luck....a HC who loves the pass and a new OC who made his bones as a WR recruiter and developer." Like I say, I am not worried about WR recruiting, but even with a presumably stocked RB room next year, I think future RB recruitment bears watching closely.
RB recruiting has already taken a hit. I'm not talking about recruiting, talking about developing the room since Hartline will be focusing on a game plan each week.
In fairness, I haven't called plays in college since 2014 when EA stopped making NCAA football but I really feel like my NFL play calling skills will translate well.
Besides, no OC was ever OC before they got it for the first time. One could fairly argue that Ohio State is not the place to get started in that role but we're talking Brian Freaking Hartline here. Dude has the Midas touch.
This had to happen. Do anything to keep Hartline for as long as we can. Clearly Day is going to be calling the plays. Nice situation for Hartline to be mentored by Day in this role, and I have no doubt (clearly the guy is driven, detail-oriented, and smart) he'll develop into a great playcaller eventually. The only drawback is the direct WR coaching, which I'd hope Hartline still has a hand in since he won't be calling plays. It would be ideal if he has the title OC/WR coach, and we hire someone else on the defensive side of the ball.
1) I wonder what it means for play calling. I think Day is serious about turning over responsibilities but he also called a gem against UGA so who knows.
2) Great for Hartline. This is a guy working his way up the ranks at his alma mater. What a story. Ohio Guy, great player, solid NFL career, now making a name for himself at the place that started it all.
3) Does Brian Hartline now get weaponized and recruit ALL offensive players? If so.....oh boy.
4) I am leaning heavily towards this being some sort of coach in waiting scenario. Day seems like the long haul answer, but if hypothetically he were to walk away from football for any reason, is there a guy now on the staff more ingrained in Columbus than BH? Not sure.
I love this move. This isn't the Coombs thing. This is a young, up and coming coach who has been better every year he's done his job.
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Point 3 is interesting...given the recruiting chops that Bailey also has, now having just TEs, you'd think he'd be able to help out on the WR front as well, freeing Hartline up to oversee all of the offense.
Not that he can’t but Bailey was recruiting kids to someone else’s room, in this case Hartline. I would expect it to be harder to recruit to a position room when it is solely your room.
I'd be interested to see how many, if any, influence Hartline may have had on the Georgia gameplan? Knowing Wilson was on his way out the door, did they allow the gameplan to be influenced at all by Hartline?
I'm not saying it wasn't Day calling plays..but maybe Hartline had a hand in it also.. nobody knows, but I do know that I saw next to no bubble screens that game!
I love the recruiting possibilities! One reason it hurt so badly when Fickell left was because NO ONE loved OSU more than he does, and it has shown in recruiting. It's another reason someone should have reached out to Laurinitis before he jumped on board with his best friend. I think Hartline could recruit any position he wants.
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I also think it is possible that it was more of a retention move and the actual function of the staff may not change that much. They have always discussed that everyone had input into play calling etc...Once Frye completes his second year he may get co-coordinator status with Day giving up play calling. I seriously doubt he gives up play calling at this point...
Coombs was a roughly 60-year-old position coach who had never been a play-caller once in his career prior to being hired here as DC. Hartline in contrast is a young up and comer who is rising through the coaching ranks quickly with his recruiting prowess and ability to develop players. I think this is much more likely to turn out like Luke Fickell than Kerry Coombs.
Not that this is the right thread for it but Holtmann absolutely needs to be under the microscope after last night. Everything about that performance was completely unacceptable.
I think Hartline can do it. I am just surprised he was picked with a lack of experience. That said, Day is back there with him alot so he knows the guy. Wait and see but Hartline is a great coach and this seems a natural next step for him.
I think this will be primarily Day’s offense. He’ll let Hartline take the reins but I think he’ll have a hand in all of it. At least for a few games. I bet we see more hartline fingerprints as the season goes along though. I’m excited but cautiously optimistic
I think this is the right move from a schematic standpoint. Most of us want Day to be the overseer of the entire team, and having Hartline designated as in charge of offensive play calling is a step in the right direction. Promote from within and these guys are more likely to stay around longer. Also Say and Knowles can get their heads together on defensive planning as well.
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I think this makes sense BECAUSE Day is still on staff and will support Hartline. Being that Hartline doesn't have play calling experience you'd wonder if Ohio State could get the cream of the crop in that department... but I don't think Day will hang Hartline out to dry and will mold him into a great play-caller (eventually). I am excited about what this looks like in the future!
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I was somewhat apprehensive when he was named WR coach at the time because of his lack of experience. I feel foolish now. I'm a little uncertain about this promotion also, but I know I would be totally foolish to underestimate him again.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Not to mention his astounding success on the recruiting trail! He'll have to win over some RBs who will be hearing in their ear "BH is pass game only, you'll never get the ball" but he can easily handle that type of negative recruiting blather.
Well deserved, he's definitely earned the opportunity. Also, Day should feel great about getting to groom and eventually transition play calling to Hart at some point vs. bringing in another major play caller.
There should be no definitive timeline on when that would need to happen, either. Dfinitely want to be careful about nurturing Day's continued growth as HC (which he undoubtedly needs in certain areas) while not immediately pulling the #1 asset/value add he brings to the table - his play calling ability.
He's been stuck in the middle now for a while where his play calling has seen a slight decline, likely due to his need to spend more time during games focusing on game management, situational readiness, and the mess on defense - all of which he needs to spend even more time on in the future. So play calling has to be something he gives up if he truly wants to become an elite HC - but be careful about how he does it, because play calling is what got Ryan Day the job in the first place and what he is a master at.
Not a fan of this. Not a fan of someone learning to do something for the first time at Ohio State. We saw how that worked out with Kerry Coombs. We're seeing how thins is working out with Ryan Day. Also, we're already too much of a pass happy team. Now, we'll completely abandon the running game.
This was another poor decision by Ryan Day. He just can't get it right.
Go ahead and down vote away. But you'll see in time, this was not the right decision. Should've let Harline go to Cincinnati and hired an OC with experience. Ryan couldn't give up his precious recruiter of 5-star WR's.
Why don’t you respond to his argument rather than attack his credibility? He is spot on. I would have given Hartline a significant pay raise and given him a title bump like assistant offensive coordinator. What some don’t understand is an OC is more likely to be hired away over a WR coach. Remember when we did this with Ed Wariner because we didn’t want to lose a good OL Coach? Meanwhile, Bama hires ex coaches for OC’s. There are several reasons the SEC keeps coming out on top. Staff hiring decisions is but one of them.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Everyone deserves the right to their own opinion here. I was ok with your 1st two paragraphs, but your last comment is beyond mind-boggling. That's MY opinion.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
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Hartline was a great receivers coach. Very well deserved promotion. OSU has been killing it with WR recruiting under his tenure. Maybe Wilson moved on in order to open a seat for Hartline? Anyway, obviously, from a Michigan perspective, I hope the different changes are destabilizing and not helpful. Because, with the exception of the two Michigan games, OSU has been killing it offensively, including your bowl games.
Right now, the only thing I see setting you back potentially is your defense. You can score 40 points a game, but can you keep a good offense (Georgia, Michigan, etc.,) below 40 points a game?
Appreciate your concern, but you should be worrying more about the destabilizing effects of the departure of Biff Poggi. He seemed to really juice things up and goose the coaching staff at TTUN in a positive way for the last two years . He was coaching the coaches, including Harbaugh. Would be curious to hear your take on that.
I am not concerned about OSU, but obviously more hoping things are destabilized at OSU. But yeah, there are too many things up in the air at Michigan, and they've got their own "destabilizing" to deal with. Biff Poggi will certainly be missed. One obvious effect: Eyabie Okie went into the portal. Michigan will miss him at DE. As for Poggi's affect on the coaching staff, that remains to be seen.
Of course, the main destabilizing factor is the circus with Jim Harbaugh and whether he goes to the NFL or stays at Michigan. I really hope this gets figured out quickly, and strongly prefer that he stays. Scuttlebutt here is that his agent is using this as leverage for a better contract at Michigan. We shall see.
So far, OSU continues to kill it with recruiting, and Michigan is definitely behind. The one area I feel good about is the OL, and actually JJ McCarthy and the RB group. But Michigan is not doing it with WR recruiting. And there are some other holes too. We're all adjusting to the reality of NIL.
At what point does the administration tire of Harbaugh's constant restlessness? The Full Ride guys on ESPNU were speculating that they might tell him to move on...
As someone who lives in the mitten state anytime local radio is on, mostly the huge show it’s constant chatter about Harbaugh for the past week. Chris Balas, some other former Michigan players and I think even John U. Bacon was on at one point. Really seems to be driving sports radio around here. Even over the lions trying to push into the playoffs.
Big fan of this move. Anybody who thought Day was going to throw his hands up and walk away from the offense was kidding themselves. He will be heavily involved in the game planning, and I am certain Hartline has been leading up to this moment.
Hartline preaches blocking for the WRs, and has been in an NFL environment. He knows the keys to success and I hope he can implement them for our Buckeyes
Frye will be a HC at some point. He has said he wanted the Indiana job in the past. This feels like a long term play for OSU in case Day makes the NFL jump
Hartline is a (rapidly) rising star. Then, why not let him rise and shine at OSU? This promotion may buy us another 2-3 years of Hartline at OSU. He is too good not to get a chance to be HC eventually.
" It is not yet clear whether Day will be delegating play-calling responsibilities to Hartline, though Day told ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit before the Peach Bowl that he was considering giving up play-calling duties."
IMHO...Day cost us a shot at a national title because of his bonehead play calling in that last 28 seconds of the Peach Bowl.......Hartline is the NEW offensive coordinator so give him the respect and leeway he deserves. This is an OUTSTANDING promotion and appears Lucky Geno finally got one right.........
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there alot of grumbling about him being a receivers coach with no experience when he started? He's proven himself more than capable in the past, why not now?
This will certainly keep him here at least for another year or two. He deserves this promotion. His recruiting has been off the charts. His player development has been off the charts. I believe he was the passing game coordinator in name last year, which indicates he was involved in game-planning. The next logical step for him is to either call plays or give direct input on game day. We'll see if Ryan gives up play-calling duties and delegates which is what a CEO does. The timing of this is interesting with CJ, Paris, Dawand and Luke going to the NFL. Replacing those guys will be extremely difficult. However, if this works out and we win the Big Ten, beat M, and go back to the playoff, a move could be made for Hartline to become an Associate Head Coach to warrant an even greater raise of another $500K or more. It's great to see our very own rise up the ranks and do great things here. His future is very bright.
The next 2-3 years will be interesting in that Hartline and Fickell could be auditioning to be the next head coach here, depending on if Ryan gets irritated with the college football landscape and goes to the NFL OR if he loses to M 1 or 2 more times.
I like the move. It does have some risk to it but there's probably more risk to not do it.
Probably important for Day to continue calling plays for one more season to help transition Hartline into the OC role and not give him too much too soon.
Hartline was coached as a player by Tressel and has now been on the coaching staff for Meyer and Day -- so he has seen how very effective coaches run things. I'm sure that will help him in his new position.
I hope we bring in a receivers coach now since I'm not sure if a first time OC can handle being the OC and WR position coach at the same time.
Hartline's lack of experience as a WR coach made me a little nervous when he got promoted and became the full-time WR coach... Obviously my concerns there were not well-founded, so I'm going to go into this change to his status with an open mind.
I would be very happy with Hartline taking they play calling over now. Let it happen, see how he does.
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Day could not ask for better coordinators, in my opinion.
I know all the Knowles criticisms, but I think our defense was worse off when he took the job than what anybody realized. I think year 2 Knowles D will be far better than this season (which was probably a blown targeting call away from a National Championship)
Hartline is brilliant.
"A man is always better than he thinks." -Woody Hayes-
I don't see an issue with this IF coach Day allows him to do his job. Coach Day has done an ok job if you are measuring with the John Cooper scale, (good recruiting, strong teams, and getting beat by UM and bowl games). I am one of those that feel the HC needs to have some connection with the university. Woody, Earl, Cooper (no connection and it showed), Tressel, Urban, Day (no connection and it is showing).
I am pleased because Heartline has a connection to the school and has been on the staff. I hope it translates to the field (if allowed) I do not feel Coach Day will be around for several years so someone needs to be learning (that has either played or has some connection) and knows what playing UM really means, understanding the rich history and tradition of Ohio State football and what it means to be a Buckeye!
Will see, maybe Day is still learning. I have seen games where the team was completely unprepared to play and looked like a mess. All teams do that from time to time but, I am not completely sold on Coach Day just yet. Even if we bring the scale up to date and use Urban as a grading scale.
I am not saying I dislike coach Day but as a lifelong Buckeye from way back regardless of the era you notice things. Also, I have nothing to hold on to except what I have seen before.
If Day calls plays in the future like he did against Georgia, I'm good with him continuing. He hasn't been that confident in a long time. Maybe the second "L" to TTUN was a wake-up call. He did a hell of a job in the Peach Bowl.
Could be said of any position coach moving up to coordinator in the history and future of the game and as such isn’t even worth thinking about. Hartline will either excel or he won’t. I’m not betting against him and his track record until he gives me solid reasons too.
Ryan Day: I need to give up play calling because I need to focus my time on head coaching responsibilities.
Also Ryan Day: Brian Hartline, please take on OC responsibilities while continuing to coach the packed WR position group at the same time.
Look, Brian Hartline is moving up if he wants to, whether that's at OSU or not. I believe he is capable of doing whatever is expected of him in this OC role and he deserves the fat pay raise. So, in that regard, I'm happy for him. My only concern is that this is a lot to take on and I wonder if he will be able to continue to excel at developing and recruiting the WRs while also trying to learn the ropes at OC.
My guess is that he will only assume some of the role that you would traditionally delegate to an OC. Ryan Day will retain some of his responsibilities, and Tony Alford and Justin Frye are also going to contribute. Play calling is the big question nobody has the answer to. If Ryan Day truly wanted to give up play calling, I don't think he would just hand the reins to a first-time OC. Nobody else on staff seems fit to be the lead play caller other than Ryan Day.
Day needs to be involved with defense more Hartline move will allow that to happen. Day needs to keep Knowles in check with play calling. Both defeats this year was on defensive play calling.
Coach Hartline is a Buckeye all the way down to his mitochondria. He has been successful at everything he's set his mind to. I have no doubts This is a good move.
Not sure how I feel about this.
I love everything that Brian Hartline does to make our Wide Receivers and team so much better BUT Ryan Day doesn't want to lose or share his job. His job - Offensive Coordinator and QB coach at Ohio State
His "Should be" job is: Head coach at The Ohio State University. I believe our last OC was told to keep quiet and stay out of the way. He will be nice to Hartline because he doesn't
Want to Piss off a great position coach and the absolute best recruiter that we have. I am just not.convinced that coach Day is ready to share and to teach another to do the same function. Time will tell - We will see. It could be a major advancement for our team and personally for coach Day. Position coaches are tasked with development of their players. Head coaches need to strengthen and develop their coaches.
Obsessive Compulsive disorder can be an ugly thing. Let's take some notes and look back in 3 weeks, 4 months, and 7 1/2 months.
Be quiet, I am asking no more from you and you're making more money is a sentence I hope doesn't get spoken.
All first time OC's have never called plays. WR's are involved in every play running routes or blocking - he has 10 years of playing WR in college and pro. I'm pretty sure he's been part of offensive game planning the past 2 years at OSU. He has a ton of football experience, plays and play calling aren't that complicated. I think he'll figure it out just fine....and you have Day to override him if necessary.
I'm very surprised. I fully expected Justin Frye to get moved to OC, and also that it was a plan agreed to by Day/Smith to get Frye to come to Ohio State (or at least an expectation of Frye's). That, and Frye's prior OC experience, albeit now a primary play caller, but I think he called a lot of the UCLA run game. My thinking it was going to be Frye with Hartline tapped as "co" OC for his learning.
But after reading Coach Day's statement (this seems to also be a recruiting-helpful move) and some of the comments above, I'm on board with it. Protects the Program. Leverages Coach Hartline's recruiting prowess for other positions on the O side of the ball. Seems a lot like a longer term possible HC. I still think Frye will be very much involved, especially with the run game. And we saw some of his influence in the Peach Bowl game per Ross Fulton.
I expect some more moves, probably tweaking of titles too.
Hartline has been phenomenal at developing the receiving talent, so hopefully this is going to translate into what we can expect from the offense with him in charge of it. I'm a little apprehensive about seeing him get this position only because he has never been an OC before--calling plays understandably is something to wonder about for a first time OC (if Day lets him this year), but also being in charge of something much larger than just a position. I'm confident he can do the job, but that is a learning curve for anyone.
That said, he is a guy who knows Ohio State and has lived and breathed it from his time as a player, so that does count for something as well in you are getting someone who knows what the program is about, the standards the program has, and has an understanding of what the rivalry means as a former student, a former player, and currently as a coach. And that is something important as well.
Great choice for OC, he deserves it. Coach Hartline could probably go and be a HC somewhere else but has stayed loyal to Buckeyes. He will do well with play calling and Coach Day will let him call it. I think if Coach Day decides to go to NFL coach Hartline will be the next HC at OSU.
I'm surprised at the kvetching going on here. This had to be the move, or else Hartline was going to be tapped as an OC someplace else, and he's not going to be content as a position coach forever.
Also, to the person who posted earlier that Hartline as OC means the run game will be ignored, put down whatever you've been smoking. You don't think Hartline, as a former wideout, doesn't recognize the need for an effective run game? Give me a break.
I'm happy with the move, and if I'm honest, I'm not overly concerned about who calls the plays next season. I'm just counting the days until September 2.
Yeah, it's a little risky giving a positions coach a job where he has ittle to no experience in running an offense. But I have a feeling that Day is going to tutor Brian and keep his fingers on the playbook until he feels comfortable giving him more responsibility
Pretty sure most coaches have got their "experience" while coaching somewhere...youre not born with it. Whether that is while in another position or at another school, who knows/who cares. Would rather he be mentored by Day for a few years (which is likely what happened-although he didn't log in on here to let us know), than hiring someone who was mentored by Cletus Ballhogger at Northwest Southern JUCO.
Congrats to The best damn recruiter in the land! I expect Day will stay involved with play calling to some extent to help groom Hartline. I also believe Frye will get input, however, I can also see Frye being Indiana's next OC and or HC in a year or 2.
Time flies. Seems like it was just the other day when most fans were ridiculing him for leaving school early saying he had no chance to make it as an NFL receiver. Now he is in position that he very well could be the next hc of OSU someday.
I can tell a lot of people are nervous about this and remember Kerry "Peter Principle" Coombs,
But nobody expected much when he was made wide receiver coach and he knocked it out of the park. I think he has the coaching gene, and he deserves this shot.
I hope he slams it again.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -- Woody Hayes
I think we have to make this move or someone else will offer him too much to refuse at OC. I’m sure we’ll likely backfill Wilson with experienced eyes in the press box. Happy this will likely keep Hartline here for at least a few more years. Take away his groups success and this offense gets a ton worse.
This was the only way to keep him around a lot longer and he can continue to learn under Day. He's earned it. Frye can focus on OL recruiting and development and continue to build necessary relationships.
Not sure how to react, frankly. Love Hartline so I'm ecstatic he's being rewarded for all he does and it ensures he's not prompted to look around. Having said that, I don't know if he has the ability to study a defense and game plan to beat it and/or adjust as the game is unfolding. I'm assuming he has been participating in these efforts over the years --- but we'll most certainly find out next season
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On a somewhat related note.... Clemson hired Garrett Riley as their new OC. Lincoln Riley's little brother who had been at TCU. It's a big hire for Dabo.
Ryan Day needs to start training his new student. Play calling is appropriate in time.
So Day didn’t learn his lesson after he hired a position coach who was outstanding in that assignment as a first time coordinator? This on the heels of announcing he is giving up play calling (which he should). I know everyone loves Hartline (as everyone did Coombs), but this is fraught with potential failure. I repeat, OSU is too big to hire first time HC’s and coordinators to learn here on the job.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Day is 45-6 as OSU head coach, I'd say he's done pretty well being a first time HC. And if you are seriously questioning Brian Hartline you are either trolling or don't even watch OSU football.
Not sure you are capable of getting it but will try anyway. Love Hartline as a WR coach as I loved Coombs as a DB coach. As for Day’s record, glad you are impressed that he is beating Indiana and Rutgers regularly. He has exactly two “big wins” in his tenure. Look at recruiting rankings, and OSU is right up there with Bama and UGA. Let me tell you where they ain’t. Titles. We tried the first time play caller as a DC. Utter failure, and this sets up to play out same way.. now take a look at who Saban hires as OC’s? People like Kiffin and O’Brien, who not only were well established OC’s, but guys with HC experience. Why can’t we hire those guys at Ohio State? This leaves us with two poor choices: Day continues to call plays or a first time OC. As SEC teams keep racking up titles and OSU keeps coming up short, look no further than decisions like this. Oh, and it is time people who don’t know what the word troll means stop using it. I laid out my argument above. I am not a troll because you don’t agree with it.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison. Saban is defensive minded and his DC’s were all younger/first time play callers that he could groom. While his OC’s were more experienced so he could let them do their thing. Day is offensive minded so this is exactly the type that saban would hire if he was an offensive minded coach since it’s a young one he could groom and day’s DC is an experienced play caller. That’s the lesson he learned from the Coombs experiment.
Very good response. I think where we disagree possibly is with the play calling. Because Day is a former OC, he may think he will call the plays if he has to with a new OC. I have said it before, but OSU isn’t winning a title with an OC calling plays. There is a reason other former OC HC’s don’t do it. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe Hartline won’t become a great OC. But there will be growing pains and it doesn’t require much to derail a championship team.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Hartline is gone within a year or two to be the OC for a different team otherwise. I'm not concerned. There are plenty of coaches with experience that still suck, and Day isn't one of them.
Unlike a lot of college coaches Hartline walked away with nearly $40 million from his NFL Career. I'm guessing he managed that well so he is much more well off than other coaches working their way up. I would help that would temper his need to leave OSU and hopefully family has put down roots to keep him here for more than a couple years.
I love Hartline as a recruiter and developer of WR(talent). I really wish Kerry Combs hadn't been our DC because I am so incredibly nervous about promoting from within. Thus, I am happy and nervous at the same time.
Got to have this Man in our program...He has totake on these responsibilities if he wants to coach and progress....He's our best recruiter, and he must have him.in place at OSU...We cant say go to ball state, and see how it goes...then we will bring u back...
Usually I would be highly skeptical of promoting within our own ranks for a position as big as Offensive Coordinator, but in this case the more I think about it, giving Hartline the position is the only right choice. Promoting from within is only bad when something is broke and needs to be completely overhauled and fixed. That's not the case this time. Day's Offensive system is far from broke, but it could get that way real quick if we lose Hartline and don't have any great WR. Day knows that his QBs and Offenses don't work too well without them.
It's the proper progression for a coach who's exhibited as much talent throughout as Hartline, starting back when he was an outstanding player for us and in the NFL. It's nearly the exact path and at the same age Lincoln Riley moved up the ranks, but Riley unlike Hartline never played pro ball. He was a GA and then a WR coach at his alma mater Texas Tech for a few years, showed great promise like Hartline, and he went directly to OC/AHC/QB coach at East Carolina. And the rest is history. One of the best offensive minds at any level with 3 Heisman Winners in the past 5-6 years started as a WR Coach before he became an OC and without nearly the success Hartline has had.
We don't want to make the monumental mistake Texas Tech made letting WR Coach Riley/Hartline go elsewhere as OC because we don't think he' ready. Hartline is a winner no matter what he does. He's proven it over and over. He may not ever be Riley, but we can't take the chance he might be somewhere else.
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The Riley comp is pretty accurate and I think a sarkisian comp as well. His first OC job was USC so it’s not unprecedented to start off at a blue blood.
You have to wonder is the Hartline promotion the reason CJ is taking his time declaring for draft? Is he intrigued with Hartline as coordinator? Perhaps contemplating on retirning? We will find out in a couple days....
Hartline is a fantastic dude. Well deserved. It is my firm believe that Hartline is the major reason for our offensive success over the last number of years. He just "gets it."
Love the hire but here is my only concern/fear. It’s my theory that we are seeing young Coaches rise to prominence as gifted playcallers because they grew up playing Madden and NCAA Football giving them thousands of games worth of experience that provided them with previously unmatched understanding of the analytical side of the game. Here’s my concern, did Hartline play video games or has he always been to busy perfecting his skills.
All you people on here saying that this is a great hire are going to be on here next year screaming that Day is not a good play caller and that he should have hired a proven OC.
Hartline deserves the chance given what he has done for the program thus far. I'd rather have someone for OC that's on the staff right now than some outsider who may clash at some point with Coach Day. Hartline and Day will have a harmony between them.
This is the right move. Hartline is going to be an OC one day. That is almost a certainty. OSU would rather he stay on staff. Yes this is his first time as an OC at a big time college but Day had never been a HC before either and that seems to be working out. Day is still the coach so it's not like they are going to just give him the keys with a learning permit and let him drive alone. Day is going to there for input. This is actually an ideal position for all. It gives Hartline a chance to get the title and more responsibility while putting him in a position to learn from and get back up from Day, OSU keeps one of the best (if not the best recruiter) recruiters in the country and it gives Day a chance to start stepping back from playcalling gradually as Hartline gets more comfortable. I'm here for it and I believe that Hartline's youth, energy and freshness is going to be a boost to the offense and offensive recruiting as a whole. This is still going to be Day's offense so it's not like this is a wholesale change but I do believe we will get some tweaks for the positive. I also believe Day wouldn't have made this decision of he didn't believe in Hartline as an offensive mind.
I’m catching some major Highlander vibes from Coach Hartline. Perhaps he is truly the mystical warrior whom will unleash hell upon enemy defenses without regard.
There can be only 1! 1 football that is, this is going to be his biggest problem with a rotation on 5 star receivers, Stover returning and half the fan base demanding he run more.
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You have at least figured out how to make your potential greyed out comments still effective by using a GIF. At least until there is an upgrade to the 11W comment software.
BTW - Is that Mr. French?
It's Nostradamus.... in a cowboy hat. He is predicting great things for the Buckeye offense.
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Cause - I’m just impressed that someone else on here knows who Mr French is ! Here’s the million dollar question, do you know the actor’s real name without googling it ?
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Very nice - and now I know how old you are !
someone care to advise why all the down votes on this? i don't get the gif, but i really don't get why the DVs.
Alls I can say is that the DVs hsve me tugging my beard.
Down votes are very popular these days. People get sad very easy.
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Fail.
I suspect that Day will not follow through and will maintain playcalling so Hart's promotion means little if so.
Joe Swartz
I suspect Hartline will call plays with Ryan Day in his ear giving suggestions and vetoing so that Day can also veto defensive play calls based on situation
"going to hang 100 on them." -Ryan Day
Hartline will participate in the game planning with Day but there is no way that Hartline will be given the ability to call plays. We had an experienced OC who wasn’t allowed to call the plays…no way a first timer is doing it.
I suspect Day continues to call plays while Hartline learns and when Day is comfortable with Brian he turns it over. Not a fail to keep a highly coveted coaching prospect in house at little cost. Not to mention he's your best recruiter.
And now he's recruiting for the 'whole' offense . . . and not just WR's!
A Boom within a Boom no doubt!!
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Oh darn Ryan Day didn't meet your precious expectations.
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One of OUR own climbing that ladder!! Congrats Coach Hartline!! GO BUCKS!!…..With that red banner alert I thought they were finally doing the right thing and canning that bum Holtmann!!
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Holtmann needs an OC too
Makes Sense to me...
Wow, Sko Bucks, someone downvoted you???????????????????
I guess they think Hartline has to give up recruiting WR's right? LOL
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This is a very misogynistic post. I’m offended
Cautiously optimistic. We don't need another Kerry Coombs.
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I agree. Great position coach, great recruiter, but no coordinator experience. Can’t compare him to replace Kevin Wilson. In Ryan Day we trust, I suppose.
In Ryan Day We Trust
He’s stepping into a position where all the pieces are already in place, players, coaches, assistants, analyst, playbook etc. He will have all the support he needs, should be no concern. Hope he gets involved in O-line recruiting and encourages the QB to run when needed.
he can lean heavily on Day, also
I think I side with moderately optimistic (is that a thing?). Hartline is a young mind with relentless determination. His expedited rise up the ladder is not by happenstance and I believe we would be unruly to think he hasn't been analyzing play calling since he stepped foot in the program. Although, somewhat parallel to Coombs' situation logistically, I think Hartline is ahead of where he was at the time in football intelligence to the respective side of the football.
If Day decides to ease transition of play calling duties over to Hartline, I hope he follows through on his plans/intentions without diversion. We know Day has mentioned the idea, which EV touched on here https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/01/136617/kirk-herbstreit-says-ryan-day-is-considering-giving-up-offensive-playcalling-duties, and his past methodologies have been running their course. The defense needs more oversight, especially during games to improve adjustments (ie. for one, loss at home to Oregon via not adjusting to the SAME running play from their offense).
Home versus Youngstown State, Western Kentucky, and Maryland are great opportunities to let the reins go close to entirety. Additionally, at Purdue, and Rutgers should support this trend. Obviously any game TOSU is ahead comfortably will also support this.
Point being I think it's time for him to let go a certain percentage of play calling responsibilities and I hope he follows through on whatever word he gives on the matter. I got to chat with Hartline in the weightroom when I was enrolled and he was calm and kind in his demeanor but you could tell he had the look in his eyes that he would end anybody who threatened him or his loved ones. Ted Rx.
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Commodore, I hear what you are saying, caution is always wise, but I am somewhat optimistic. Coombs actually struggled at times as a position coach, especially Bradley Roby's last year when we got torched by MSU in the Big Ten championship game and then Clemson in the Orange Bowl. I attribute a lot of Coombs's success to working under Chris Ash, a legit secondary coach. Also, Coombs was legitimately the defensive coordinator when he took over. He was on his own, whereas we all know that Day is going to be there to help/micromanage Hartline. I think we can continue to expect an elite passing offensive and great receiver play. The main question for me is how the run game will develop, which has been lackluster to non-existent in big games the last few years.
This is my exact thought. OSU is not a place to learn/ cut your teeth at coordinator. I know this may be more of a title than anything as I don’t ever see Coach Day giving up the call sheet.
I look at it somewhat similarly.
Maybe Coombs would have been a good defensive coordinator if he had cut his teeth doing that some place else than at Ohio State? I don't think he (or Day) fully grasped the reality that Ohio State always has a big target on its back -- Every opposing offensive coordinator will show no mercy whatsoever if they feel that Ohio State has a weakness tactically or strategically. A win is a career highlight on their resume.
This is where I'm hopeful-but-somewhat wary of Hartline being the OC: On the bright side, there's the fact that he's probably the best young position coach in all of college football. On the darker side, he will need to show that he can play chess against (and continually outwit) multiple seasoned defensive coordinators.
What I hope happens is that Hartline already understands this and becomes a great manager, instead of an instant hero. Leverage the wisdom on hand (e.g. Day, Frye, Alford and every other veteran coach) before diving into the deep side of the pool.
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And the next step in Ohio Stte's progress moving forward. Hartline hasn't yet done the OC job but Hartline is proven winner and I would place a Big Bet on him to succeed beyond expectations in this new role. A Great Day for Ohio State Football!
Kinda feels like Hartline is being groomed for something :-)
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High praise. Agreed.
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Worth waiting on.
Definite Boom! Now please confirm Hartline will be the play caller.
Kieren
I'm just excited about the boost the entire offense will get I'm recruiting! If his recruiting record transfers to the entire offense.
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If Garrett Riley can win the Broyles award calling plays at this stage of his career I am confident Hartline can crush it. He has played at the highest level, he knows when someone is overmatched and how to exploit that.
Speaking of Garret Riley, he be the new OC at Clemson
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35434793/garrett-riley-clemson-means-dabo-swinney-tcu
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As much as people will complain about his lack of experience calling plays this is the right move. Keeping him on staff is essential.
As much as people are angry with the defensive coaches right now I don't see any of them going anywhere (unless LJ retires that is). The next coaching staff move should be to replace Parker Fleming with a real ST coordinator who also coaches a position group (and has recruiting responsibilities).
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For all we know, Day and Hartline have been preparing for this day for quite awhile. Day has Hartline's back in case there are hiccups along the way. Hartline is a smart guy and has probably been studying up regularly on the theory and practice of utilizing the run game along with his own specialty. I consider this a Home Run move! Never bet against Hartline, he is a proven winner.
I just love the idea of him getting more involved with recruiting RBs and OL too.
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I know the love fest for Hartline but he has never been anything but one part of the offense and thats recruiting and coaching receivers. I wish him well and hope for the best but I also hope this is not a repeat of Kerry Coombs who failed but at least ran an entire team even though it was a high school team. OMO which means little I don't like the direction of our football program.
Denny
Somehow I don’t actually believe you do hope for the best
Because his perspective is not yours? If he has a different view then he has ill will toward the program? Judge much?
Joe Swartz
GoBucks1966 perspective is this is still 1968 and Woody should bring back the full house formation
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And?
Hmm. You might have something there, bleed!
I'd love to see the old high button shoe on 3rd or 4th and 1. Couldn't be much worse than what we saw in a few games this year, dontcha think? Maybe we would've gotten a few more first downs against Northwestern. Lol.
You’re right I do disagree with people that disagree with me. Feel better now? I think the program is doing well. They just hired the best offensive position coach in all of college football to be OC. Why is that a bad direction to go whether it works out well or not?
Because if it works out really badly, then it was a bad way to go? Is this a trick? Are you cracking wise?
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Every hire has the potential to be great or horrible or did I miss the ones that are stamped can’t miss? Even past success isn’t a guaranteed success at a new place. Clemson just hired Garrett Riley. Are they getting the great OC or the one that putbupb7 points against Georgia? Who knows
No not at all but Days track record has not been strong in hires to many bad ones if you go by the BOARD. Walton and Knowles on the hot seat after just one season from many on here. Coombs enough said I like Frye but like Knowles and Walton playing with the cards dealt to them and the o line was not much better than before he got here last year. Recruiting had an uptick though and so far this year too. Fleming's position another questionable move most don't care for on the board. Hartline has been near perfect as one can get recruiting and coaching wide receivers this next gig better work out or maybe the top is the issue many question his play calling and for him to give it up if he does tells us something.
Denny
Unclutch your pearls people, this is a textbook case of a Win, Win for our Buckeye’s.
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
I was going to suggest unclenching something other than pearls...but sure. Let's go with pearls.
He was in charge of more players at Colerain than Day is at Ohio State.
A missed FG from a NC. We are not far off. I like Day and i like this hire. I am choosing to be optimistic and excited about this team moving forward. Its pretty fun
Agreed A.buck. I am very vocal about Day’s refusal to develop and stick with a running game unless the backs are gaining 6+ yards a carry from the start. That’s an easy fix that just takes a willingness to change and fortitude to stick with it. Other than that I wouldn’t want any other coach in the country.
That is what we know as outsiders. Who knows what his involvement is behind closed doors.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I have to think he had some hand in the offense all along. I've seen him on the sideline in serious discussions with other positions so I'm thinking he was involved overall.
Exactly. He was passing game coordinator. I also believe that all of the offensive staff meet each week for game planning. So Day, Wilson, Hartline, Frye, and Alford would have all been in the game planning meetings each week. It's not like route running is the only thing he knows
"going to hang 100 on them." -Ryan Day
Idk I have mixed feelings about this.
Mine are mixed between relief and elation.
I have mixed feelings all the time. I think it's a fart but I'm mixed about it.
Dangerous ground, my friend.
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"Depends"
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Well. You know the definition of a surprise, don't you, Allin? If that fart has a lump at the end of it.
We call that a Shart around here.
Why?
cus he's never called plays before. Any rational person would have some pause. But the guy definitely deserves a promotion and not surprised by it.
Exactly this, plus he was WR and we need to be able to run the ball, half me believes that’s part of Day’s reluctancy to run the ball cause he was a QB and wants to sling it all over the yard, I think it was a logical hire and needed to be done eventually to keep him on staff, hopefully he does great and keeps the offense humming.
I paused about two seconds before yelling'YES'.
You’re not wrong. But me no thinks he’ll actually be calling plays this year. More likely learning the ropes from Day for a season or two before taking over. And in the meantime we get to reap the rewards of him recruiting a few offensive linemen and running backs.
Well I’d guess due to lack of experience, and outside exposure in part. Also does he go up in the booth; meaning no more one on one w WRs. I hope he kills it and obviously we want to keep him on staff, but look no further than Coombs; great position coach/terrible DC.
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Because he thinks and doesn't just reflexively bark like a seal in approval.
Joe Swartz
At the end of the day no one posting here really knows if he’s qualified or not, since we’re not in the meeting rooms where they discuss scheme and playbook. If Day is willing to make this move then he must feel he’s ready. (Or, in Machiavellian fashion, he knows he’s NOT ready and wants to keep play calling duties for himself.)
LFG! Im not sure why the majority seemed to think Frye was going to be the choice over Hartline..Congratulations on a long overdue promotion! I hope he kills it.
Frye had OC experience at UCLA and Hartline has never done it before. That seems pretty logical to me.
Yeah but he didn't call plays, the main job for an offensive coordinator. He had the title but not the actual job. If we are comparing resumes as a position coach Hartline is the best in the country, while Justin Frye is an elite coach imo... If we had to pick a coach to keep its Hartline, and this promotion is how you guarantee that.
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Hartline had never coached receivers before STARTING that job at TOSU.
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BUT Frye was an OC/OL coach for a team that went 15-16 during that tenure, clearly hes more qualified....
Well....uh.....maybe the problem at UCLA was.....wait for it.....the Defense.
Frye hasn’t proven completely that he can coach the oline yet let alone earn a head honcho job like this. Just my opinion.
I thought he would make Frye and Hartline Co-Coordinators given OSU’s proclivity for such an arrangement. One could focus on game planning and play calling responsibilities while the other manages day to day responsibilities.
On one hand, anything to keep Hartline on staff is fine by me. On the other hand, he has no playcalling experience.
This move tells me two things.
1) Day wasn't ready to hand the reins of the offense over and step into the CEO role. He will still be very involved with playcalling and maybe even the primary placaller still considering Hartline's lack of experience playcalling.
2) To me, this feels like a grooming Hartline to be the next head coach move. Not that any NFL team is currently banging on Day's door to hire him, but I think that day will come and right now they think Hartline is the guy.
With the offense geared heavily to the passing game, I could see Day getting plays set up for the game during the week and let Hartline call the game.
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I am not sure number 2 would be a plan. I do not think you expect your head coach to go anywhere and have a backup just in case. I could be wrong though but generally you get a guy who brings in their own guys.
I think there’d be a call to Luke Fickell before a final decision would be made on a replacement for Day. Just my two cents.
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
If Day leaves for whatever reason Fickell will absolutely be the first guy they call given that he's much more established as a HC right now (depending on what he does at Wisconsin of course).
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Fickell needs serious consideration for sure.
I've had this feeling (with no reason) that Hartline is our next HC.
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Agree with 1, disagree with 2. Thinking too much into it.
This seems to be a common train of thought...that Day isn't ready to turn the keys over hence why he promoted Hartline. While I agree that it could be possible, the exact opposite could also be possible.
Day mentioned giving up play calling prior to promoting Hartline. Therefore one could say that he knows Hartline is ready, has been working at preparing himself to be the OC and Day feels he is ready.
The funny thing is, not a single one of us knows what happens in the Woody. Who knows how much Hartline has been involved in the offense and to what degree? Not a single person here.
I believe this is a great move by Day (someone I am still not 100% sold on) and am excited to see our offense as well as how this impacts recruiting
Congrats Ryan, you are a Buckeye through and through!
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Since he's the o coordinator now does that leave a opening for the wr coach position? Didn't know if the wr position coach counts against the 10 we are allowed to have or if he is keeping that job as well.
He'll probably still be coaching the WR room in addition to OC responsibilities (just like Kevin Wilson was in charge of the TE room).
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He'll probably do both. Wilson had both OC and TE room last several years. Keenan Bailey will probably help with both. He helped in the TE room this past season while he was the assistant WR coach.
"going to hang 100 on them." -Ryan Day
Probably duel role. Coordinators can coach a position as well. On game day on of the assistants handles the WRs then.
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Here I thought I was being original, but I'm at work and hadn't refreshed the page for 28 minutes LOL.
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Great minds...
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"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
They’re gonna duel each other? Awesome!
Both. Guessing Bailey will help with WRs as well, since he's been helping there all along in his grad assistant role.
In the event they do look around for a new WR coach, they should at least give Smooth Jazz/Kenny G a look. Two years now in the SEC and coached Treylon Burks (first round, pick 18, 2022 draft) in his final year. Recruiting could be a question as he's landed some 4 stars but no 5 stars yet (though getting 5 stars to Ohio State is probably easier than Arkansas).
I love this idea - forgot about Kenny G. We need to get him in the Buckeye coaching tree.
I am interested in what his actual responsibilities will be next season, especially regarding playcalling.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Surprised it wasn't Frye, at least as Co-OCs. Like the move. Hopefully Day turns over play calling...everything will still go through his headset so I'd imagine he could veto anything he didn't like.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Exactly. It's completely different from Coombs where Day was hoping he'd be the head coach of the defense and Day wouldn't have to focus on it. Now he can veto both and since he was the play caller on offense before, he can help Hartline out more if needed.
"going to hang 100 on them." -Ryan Day
Congrats, Brian!
Curious how the dynamic will be with Justin Frye??? I have to think he came here hoping that he would replace Wilson at some point.
Something tells me Frye will not be here long.
Still waiting to see something from him.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
They had one of the best OLs in the country this year.
Right. I was mostly concerned about the OLine going in. Just look at the UGA game. A friend already mentioned next season [w/who’s leaving] and I automatically thought, I’m not too concerned.
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except when it was 3rd and 2 against sub .500 teams in the B1G
s/
That’s fair. And I thought that too. But I also thought what if 5, 19, and even 10 were given snaps in some of those games. Would we have found something then? Couldn’t have hurt for a series or two.
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I'm a bit concerned with his recruiting. Not much to show for his first year. I realize that most recruiting involves a multi-year commitment to developing relationships, so we'll have to wait and see how he does, but he can't have another year like this one, or he's not the guy.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Will find out how good of a coach he really is this spring.
I think Day would have gone Frye here had the OL been going into next year with more stability. I bet Day and Frye had a conversation and probably both agreed that it might be better for Frye to focus on developing the OL this year and reevaluate after the year about his position on the staff(play calling). I bet he's going to have some sort of say though.
I assume Day weighed that factor. My guess is Day also realized Hartline has ambitions and "loyal Buckeye" or not, he was probably nearing the end of the period where he'd be satisfied being only a position coach.
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Frye and Tony A. He’s been actively looking to move up too.
Love the move, but I hope it doesn't impact the development of the WR position, since he now has to focus more on a game plan for each week.
Is it possible that he is so darn good at coaching the WR room that he is doing it in sleep and adding OC responsibilities will have little impact on the WR room. How many people do you know that do their jobs so effortlessly that they make it look easy? Suspect that is where Day is at with Hartline.
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Agree...real recognizes real
Daybis going to end up in the NFL at some point. He's been responsible for the development of Burrow, Haskins Fields and Stroud. At some point the NFL offers will be too much to turn down
Hartline has been uber successful at everything he does from OSU receiver to NFL receiver to running gas stations and drive-thru's and coaching. Day knows he going to kill it as OC.
Some guys just have "it" and Hartline seems to be one of those. What's the old saying? " Ths best make it look easy"?
That's Hartline. He's arguably been the best position coach of any position in college right off the bat in the last 4-5yrs.
Great move by Day promoting him
People bring up “NFL offers that Day can’t turn down” but elite HCs at blue blood programs make more than most NFL HCs do. In fact, Day’s current salary at $9.5mil/year (not including bonuses) tops all but 3 NFL coaches (McVay = $15mil, Belichick = $12.5, and Carroll = $11mil) and is the same as Shanahan’s. All are proven, SB winners with 10+ years experience; McVay being the only outlier with 7. The rest of the active HCs with that resume currently make less than Day (Harbaugh = $9mil, Tomlin & Reid = $8mil). Looking past the top12 salaries it’s $4-$5mil, waaay less than Day makes.
Additionally, tOSU wouldn’t hesitate to drop $12 mil to keep Day around if he gets us over the hump and brings home a NC (or multiple). What NFL team is going to drop that kind of money? Especially with Meyer’s disastrous stint in the NFL as a cautionary reminder to many owners. Day going to the NFL will happen because he wants to prove himself at the highest level, not because he will “get an offer he can’t refuse”. IMO he won’t be ready to move on before accomplishing all off his goals at the collegiate level, which include winning at least 1 NC trophy. Only if college FB becomes such a toxic cest pool that it overshadows his passion for coaching his players do I see him leaving earlier, but at the same time he might consider himself a quitter or a failure if he does. Ultimately it’s going to be up to him and when he feels that he has accomplished all he can and has nothing left to prove, not because the NFL comes calling.
Wow what a move. Risky, but I don't think Day would pull the trigger here without Hartline proving he can do the job to some degree.
For those looking for smash-mouth football where we run it down the throats of the defense, you may have to hold your breath a bit longer.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Maybe, but Hartline was a product of a Tressel offense so even though he’s a WR guy perhaps some of those philosophies sunk in
IIRC Hartline was very unhappy about the QB change from Boeckman to Pryor in 2008 because it completely neutered the passing game and made the receivers less involved in the offense. I think he'll definitely value establishing the run but he is very much a pass-first guy (and with the receivers we have why wouldn't he be).
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I remember that offense and overall I think Tressel made the right call. Was it 07 or 08 when OSU got completely destroyed by So Cal in LA? That was the beginning of the Pryor era from what I recall.
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That was 2008. Pryor wasn't here in 2007. Tressel made the switch because our offensive line was really bad at the time and Boeckman was a statue in the pocket who had a tendency to fold under pressure so they used Pryor's mobility and ability to extend plays to mask the poor O-line play. The problem was Pryor was inaccurate as shit throwing the ball that season and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn (hence why they went back to Boeckman in the bowl game to jump start the passing game).
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I was at that game...it was not that much fun.
I'd doubt it. His NFL experience, and experience as our WR coach in an NFL offense with NFL WR talent would probably override his few years in a Tressel offense.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Hartline will succeed, but Coombs was an unproven commodity too. That one didn't work.
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I don’t think it works like that in every case. Kind of like o line coach OC’s. People think that means more running, like o linemen don’t pass block lol good OC’s know you need both and more importantly, day knows that and he’s still HC.
Nice!
GO BUCKS!
Good move; more 5-Star receivers will be on the way.
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As long as it doesn't impact the development of the WR.
I think you guys are worried about the wrong thing. Until proven differently, it could impact RB recruiting. It would be easy for a guy like Harbaugh (or anyone, frankly) to tell a recruit to look before he leaps before committing to Ohio State. Day, for all of his talk about balance, was a pass first HC with Stroud as his QB. Sure, it showed he was playing to his team's strengths, but again, a guy like Harbaugh will say "good luck....a HC who loves the pass and a new OC who made his bones as a WR recruiter and developer." Like I say, I am not worried about WR recruiting, but even with a presumably stocked RB room next year, I think future RB recruitment bears watching closely.
RB recruiting has already taken a hit. I'm not talking about recruiting, talking about developing the room since Hartline will be focusing on a game plan each week.
And I would tell kids Harbaugh flirts with the nfl every year and one of these years he will be gone.
Ok. So who's calling plays?
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
I'll be texting Hartline my play calls from the couch.
Buckeyes…Beets... Battlestar Galactica.
In fairness, I haven't called plays in college since 2014 when EA stopped making NCAA football but I really feel like my NFL play calling skills will translate well.
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You!
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"Trick Play" still gets me every time
Absolutely no reason to doubt hartline doing well in any role. Sounds like a BOOM to me!
Besides, no OC was ever OC before they got it for the first time. One could fairly argue that Ohio State is not the place to get started in that role but we're talking Brian Freaking Hartline here. Dude has the Midas touch.
I see this as a protégé situation. Day has been grooming him for this I’d say. Young OC’s at small schools are the best those schools can do usually.
They did it with Day at the HC position.
If osu hadn’t done this, another school would have very soon. Hartline has excelled in everything thing he has done so far.
This also sets up Hartline to take over for Ryan Day whenever that might be.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Congrats to Hartline. I'd imagine this means Day is retaining playcalling duties next season.
Offensive Coordinator/ Wr Coach!
This had to happen. Do anything to keep Hartline for as long as we can. Clearly Day is going to be calling the plays. Nice situation for Hartline to be mentored by Day in this role, and I have no doubt (clearly the guy is driven, detail-oriented, and smart) he'll develop into a great playcaller eventually. The only drawback is the direct WR coaching, which I'd hope Hartline still has a hand in since he won't be calling plays. It would be ideal if he has the title OC/WR coach, and we hire someone else on the defensive side of the ball.
lol--we thought we passed a lot last year?!? just wait....seriously though...BOOM!!!
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
He should be a good one.
A few things here in the immediate aftermath.
1) I wonder what it means for play calling. I think Day is serious about turning over responsibilities but he also called a gem against UGA so who knows.
2) Great for Hartline. This is a guy working his way up the ranks at his alma mater. What a story. Ohio Guy, great player, solid NFL career, now making a name for himself at the place that started it all.
3) Does Brian Hartline now get weaponized and recruit ALL offensive players? If so.....oh boy.
4) I am leaning heavily towards this being some sort of coach in waiting scenario. Day seems like the long haul answer, but if hypothetically he were to walk away from football for any reason, is there a guy now on the staff more ingrained in Columbus than BH? Not sure.
I love this move. This isn't the Coombs thing. This is a young, up and coming coach who has been better every year he's done his job.
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Point 3 is interesting...given the recruiting chops that Bailey also has, now having just TEs, you'd think he'd be able to help out on the WR front as well, freeing Hartline up to oversee all of the offense.
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I would rather they hire a TE coach, hire Bailey for WR coach, and promote Hartline.
I like OSU's chances if Day and Hartline are in the living room together!
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Not that he can’t but Bailey was recruiting kids to someone else’s room, in this case Hartline. I would expect it to be harder to recruit to a position room when it is solely your room.
I'd be interested to see how many, if any, influence Hartline may have had on the Georgia gameplan? Knowing Wilson was on his way out the door, did they allow the gameplan to be influenced at all by Hartline?
he also called a gem against UGA
How do we know this wasn't Hartline's audition? Maybe Hartline called some, if not most of the plays that game?
There’s nothing that says he did and no indication that he did but if you want to discredit Day feel free
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I'm not saying it wasn't Day calling plays..but maybe Hartline had a hand in it also.. nobody knows, but I do know that I saw next to no bubble screens that game!
You just asked ‘how do we know if Hartline wasn’t calling some or all of the plays’.
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Ok...and? Just asking a simple question..
But will he run?
I love the recruiting possibilities! One reason it hurt so badly when Fickell left was because NO ONE loved OSU more than he does, and it has shown in recruiting. It's another reason someone should have reached out to Laurinitis before he jumped on board with his best friend. I think Hartline could recruit any position he wants.
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I also think it is possible that it was more of a retention move and the actual function of the staff may not change that much. They have always discussed that everyone had input into play calling etc...Once Frye completes his second year he may get co-coordinator status with Day giving up play calling. I seriously doubt he gives up play calling at this point...
“Hartline isn’t even an option, let alone the obvious choice”
- BuckeyeRealist, 5 days ago
LOL! +1 for poking fun at yourself. Fantastic!
We’re all wrong at times. Only realistic ones can admit it lol
You weren’t the only one thinking that way (raises hand)
Only thing I hope is this ends differently than the Coombs experience.
There’s no chance it ends up like Coombs. Day wouldn’t allow it.
Coombs was a roughly 60-year-old position coach who had never been a play-caller once in his career prior to being hired here as DC. Hartline in contrast is a young up and comer who is rising through the coaching ranks quickly with his recruiting prowess and ability to develop players. I think this is much more likely to turn out like Luke Fickell than Kerry Coombs.
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I sure hope so. Dude can flat out recruit. I agree with ASJ as he would be offered the same position elsewhere, so it’s good to wrap him up.
My main thing is Day is an elite offensive mind. He would just take over if the train veered from the tracks.
So even if Hartline isn’t a good OC we aren’t going to notice a difference in outcome.
Good point!!!
Urban, is that you?
Great for keeping Hartline here and paid! He is definitely a rising star and deserves the opportunity, I just hope he doesn't get spread too thin.
Maybe Frye takes on the play calling if Day steps back.
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Great news! Hopefully this isn't the last step before he becomes a head coach somewhere else (I know what he has said...)
Longtime Buck
While we are at it, can he coach basketball?
Taking objectively good news and finding a way to put a negative spin on it. An Ohio State Tradition.
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Not that this is the right thread for it but Holtmann absolutely needs to be under the microscope after last night. Everything about that performance was completely unacceptable.
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You could have stopped after the 9th word of your response.
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Someone doesn’t like to kid around. Life is too short to be so serious.
It was a joke.
Good News ..." DAY "...Go Brian...Go Bucks
Congratulations, and well deserved.
This is a dynamic development in the area of playcalling--I think it's smart.
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Boom! Buckeye will lead Buckeye offense. Love it!
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I think Hartline can do it. I am just surprised he was picked with a lack of experience. That said, Day is back there with him alot so he knows the guy. Wait and see but Hartline is a great coach and this seems a natural next step for him.
I think the demand for Hartline at other schools was probably pretty high. That forced Day’s hand.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
I think this will be primarily Day’s offense. He’ll let Hartline take the reins but I think he’ll have a hand in all of it. At least for a few games. I bet we see more hartline fingerprints as the season goes along though. I’m excited but cautiously optimistic
Could not have happened to a more deserving coach. Day will tutor him well.
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I think this is the right move from a schematic standpoint. Most of us want Day to be the overseer of the entire team, and having Hartline designated as in charge of offensive play calling is a step in the right direction. Promote from within and these guys are more likely to stay around longer. Also Say and Knowles can get their heads together on defensive planning as well.
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I think this makes sense BECAUSE Day is still on staff and will support Hartline. Being that Hartline doesn't have play calling experience you'd wonder if Ohio State could get the cream of the crop in that department... but I don't think Day will hang Hartline out to dry and will mold him into a great play-caller (eventually). I am excited about what this looks like in the future!
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I was somewhat apprehensive when he was named WR coach at the time because of his lack of experience. I feel foolish now. I'm a little uncertain about this promotion also, but I know I would be totally foolish to underestimate him again.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
BOOM! With Coach Hartline's extensive playing career and glowing on the field work, he's as good a hire as we could have hoped for. Go Bucks!
Not to mention his astounding success on the recruiting trail! He'll have to win over some RBs who will be hearing in their ear "BH is pass game only, you'll never get the ball" but he can easily handle that type of negative recruiting blather.
Well deserved, he's definitely earned the opportunity. Also, Day should feel great about getting to groom and eventually transition play calling to Hart at some point vs. bringing in another major play caller.
There should be no definitive timeline on when that would need to happen, either. Dfinitely want to be careful about nurturing Day's continued growth as HC (which he undoubtedly needs in certain areas) while not immediately pulling the #1 asset/value add he brings to the table - his play calling ability.
He's been stuck in the middle now for a while where his play calling has seen a slight decline, likely due to his need to spend more time during games focusing on game management, situational readiness, and the mess on defense - all of which he needs to spend even more time on in the future. So play calling has to be something he gives up if he truly wants to become an elite HC - but be careful about how he does it, because play calling is what got Ryan Day the job in the first place and what he is a master at.
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If he calls plays as well as he handles the rest of his biz, then sweetsassymolassy!!
Not a fan of this. Not a fan of someone learning to do something for the first time at Ohio State. We saw how that worked out with Kerry Coombs. We're seeing how thins is working out with Ryan Day. Also, we're already too much of a pass happy team. Now, we'll completely abandon the running game.
This was another poor decision by Ryan Day. He just can't get it right.
Go ahead and down vote away. But you'll see in time, this was not the right decision. Should've let Harline go to Cincinnati and hired an OC with experience. Ryan couldn't give up his precious recruiter of 5-star WR's.
Didn't downvote you, but I believe I have yet to see a positive post from you. Are you this negative in person or do you save it for 11W?
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Why don’t you respond to his argument rather than attack his credibility? He is spot on. I would have given Hartline a significant pay raise and given him a title bump like assistant offensive coordinator. What some don’t understand is an OC is more likely to be hired away over a WR coach. Remember when we did this with Ed Wariner because we didn’t want to lose a good OL Coach? Meanwhile, Bama hires ex coaches for OC’s. There are several reasons the SEC keeps coming out on top. Staff hiring decisions is but one of them.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Everyone deserves the right to their own opinion here. I was ok with your 1st two paragraphs, but your last comment is beyond mind-boggling. That's MY opinion.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
lol I'm speechless
All we have to decide is to cheer on the Buckeyes with the time that is given us
I am sure Day is distraught that he does not have your approval.
I am here for the same reason you are.
Fritzie sharing more wisdom. The gift that never stops giving. I get free laughs every time you post lol of course I was a 3 stooges fan so I like stupid shit
I am shocked. SHOCKED.
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You’re the Eeyore of this website
Have you been drinking paint?
One more scUM loss and Brutus might enter the Transfer Portal.
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Kidding on the square….
Good for Day realizing from where is bread is buttered, Huge BOOM!
Hartline was a great receivers coach. Very well deserved promotion. OSU has been killing it with WR recruiting under his tenure. Maybe Wilson moved on in order to open a seat for Hartline? Anyway, obviously, from a Michigan perspective, I hope the different changes are destabilizing and not helpful. Because, with the exception of the two Michigan games, OSU has been killing it offensively, including your bowl games.
Right now, the only thing I see setting you back potentially is your defense. You can score 40 points a game, but can you keep a good offense (Georgia, Michigan, etc.,) below 40 points a game?
Your program seems to have some "destabilizing" issues of it's own. We'll just have to see how it plays out. GAME ON!
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Appreciate your concern, but you should be worrying more about the destabilizing effects of the departure of Biff Poggi. He seemed to really juice things up and goose the coaching staff at TTUN in a positive way for the last two years . He was coaching the coaches, including Harbaugh. Would be curious to hear your take on that.
I am not concerned about OSU, but obviously more hoping things are destabilized at OSU. But yeah, there are too many things up in the air at Michigan, and they've got their own "destabilizing" to deal with. Biff Poggi will certainly be missed. One obvious effect: Eyabie Okie went into the portal. Michigan will miss him at DE. As for Poggi's affect on the coaching staff, that remains to be seen.
Of course, the main destabilizing factor is the circus with Jim Harbaugh and whether he goes to the NFL or stays at Michigan. I really hope this gets figured out quickly, and strongly prefer that he stays. Scuttlebutt here is that his agent is using this as leverage for a better contract at Michigan. We shall see.
So far, OSU continues to kill it with recruiting, and Michigan is definitely behind. The one area I feel good about is the OL, and actually JJ McCarthy and the RB group. But Michigan is not doing it with WR recruiting. And there are some other holes too. We're all adjusting to the reality of NIL.
At what point does the administration tire of Harbaugh's constant restlessness? The Full Ride guys on ESPNU were speculating that they might tell him to move on...
As someone who lives in the mitten state anytime local radio is on, mostly the huge show it’s constant chatter about Harbaugh for the past week. Chris Balas, some other former Michigan players and I think even John U. Bacon was on at one point. Really seems to be driving sports radio around here. Even over the lions trying to push into the playoffs.
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Big fan of this move. Anybody who thought Day was going to throw his hands up and walk away from the offense was kidding themselves. He will be heavily involved in the game planning, and I am certain Hartline has been leading up to this moment.
Hartline preaches blocking for the WRs, and has been in an NFL environment. He knows the keys to success and I hope he can implement them for our Buckeyes
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Just thinking... Wonder if that recruiting dominance will spill over to the entire offense from the WR room?
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But will he call the Dave?
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I’m very happy with this move. Day has been preparing him for a long time. And with Tony over the run game it’s gonna be good!
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This was a move to keep him at osu. Now I wonder after next year if Justin Frye moves on. He wanted a shot at oc before coming to osu.
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Frye will be a HC at some point. He has said he wanted the Indiana job in the past. This feels like a long term play for OSU in case Day makes the NFL jump
Hartline is a (rapidly) rising star. Then, why not let him rise and shine at OSU? This promotion may buy us another 2-3 years of Hartline at OSU. He is too good not to get a chance to be HC eventually.
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" It is not yet clear whether Day will be delegating play-calling responsibilities to Hartline, though Day told ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit before the Peach Bowl that he was considering giving up play-calling duties."
IMHO...Day cost us a shot at a national title because of his bonehead play calling in that last 28 seconds of the Peach Bowl.......Hartline is the NEW offensive coordinator so give him the respect and leeway he deserves. This is an OUTSTANDING promotion and appears Lucky Geno finally got one right.........
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
We gonna ignore the other 3,572 seconds?
I'm sorry, this is just a bad take.
YOU may enjoy losing but I don't.......Your statement is a bad take as well.........
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Hartline was also never a receivers coach... until he was, and at the highest level entering in.. and look at how that's turned out.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there alot of grumbling about him being a receivers coach with no experience when he started? He's proven himself more than capable in the past, why not now?
This will certainly keep him here at least for another year or two. He deserves this promotion. His recruiting has been off the charts. His player development has been off the charts. I believe he was the passing game coordinator in name last year, which indicates he was involved in game-planning. The next logical step for him is to either call plays or give direct input on game day. We'll see if Ryan gives up play-calling duties and delegates which is what a CEO does. The timing of this is interesting with CJ, Paris, Dawand and Luke going to the NFL. Replacing those guys will be extremely difficult. However, if this works out and we win the Big Ten, beat M, and go back to the playoff, a move could be made for Hartline to become an Associate Head Coach to warrant an even greater raise of another $500K or more. It's great to see our very own rise up the ranks and do great things here. His future is very bright.
The next 2-3 years will be interesting in that Hartline and Fickell could be auditioning to be the next head coach here, depending on if Ryan gets irritated with the college football landscape and goes to the NFL OR if he loses to M 1 or 2 more times.
BOATS and HOES.
I like the move. It does have some risk to it but there's probably more risk to not do it.
Probably important for Day to continue calling plays for one more season to help transition Hartline into the OC role and not give him too much too soon.
Hartline was coached as a player by Tressel and has now been on the coaching staff for Meyer and Day -- so he has seen how very effective coaches run things. I'm sure that will help him in his new position.
I hope we bring in a receivers coach now since I'm not sure if a first time OC can handle being the OC and WR position coach at the same time.
My guess is they share play-calling duties until Day feels Hartline is ready to take it all on.
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Hartline's lack of experience as a WR coach made me a little nervous when he got promoted and became the full-time WR coach... Obviously my concerns there were not well-founded, so I'm going to go into this change to his status with an open mind.
I would be very happy with Hartline taking they play calling over now. Let it happen, see how he does.
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Hartline and Knowles.
Day could not ask for better coordinators, in my opinion.
I know all the Knowles criticisms, but I think our defense was worse off when he took the job than what anybody realized. I think year 2 Knowles D will be far better than this season (which was probably a blown targeting call away from a National Championship)
Hartline is brilliant.
"A man is always better than he thinks." -Woody Hayes-
I don't see an issue with this IF coach Day allows him to do his job. Coach Day has done an ok job if you are measuring with the John Cooper scale, (good recruiting, strong teams, and getting beat by UM and bowl games). I am one of those that feel the HC needs to have some connection with the university. Woody, Earl, Cooper (no connection and it showed), Tressel, Urban, Day (no connection and it is showing).
I am pleased because Heartline has a connection to the school and has been on the staff. I hope it translates to the field (if allowed) I do not feel Coach Day will be around for several years so someone needs to be learning (that has either played or has some connection) and knows what playing UM really means, understanding the rich history and tradition of Ohio State football and what it means to be a Buckeye!
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Its not 1968, 1988, or 1998 anymore. Let it go
Upon us all, a little rain must fall
Will see, maybe Day is still learning. I have seen games where the team was completely unprepared to play and looked like a mess. All teams do that from time to time but, I am not completely sold on Coach Day just yet. Even if we bring the scale up to date and use Urban as a grading scale.
I am not saying I dislike coach Day but as a lifelong Buckeye from way back regardless of the era you notice things. Also, I have nothing to hold on to except what I have seen before.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn!" - Woody Hayes
If Day calls plays in the future like he did against Georgia, I'm good with him continuing. He hasn't been that confident in a long time. Maybe the second "L" to TTUN was a wake-up call. He did a hell of a job in the Peach Bowl.
BOOM
I'll be honest; it doesn't thrill me. I I'll reserve judgement, but I'm rather skeptical. This has the possibility of turning down Coombs St.
Could be said of any position coach moving up to coordinator in the history and future of the game and as such isn’t even worth thinking about. Hartline will either excel or he won’t. I’m not betting against him and his track record until he gives me solid reasons too.
Coombs was all style. Hartline appears to have substance. No comparison here, imo.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Really? Did you see the play of our DBs this past season....while Coombs was in Cincinnati?
I love it.
Ryan Day: I need to give up play calling because I need to focus my time on head coaching responsibilities.
Also Ryan Day: Brian Hartline, please take on OC responsibilities while continuing to coach the packed WR position group at the same time.
Look, Brian Hartline is moving up if he wants to, whether that's at OSU or not. I believe he is capable of doing whatever is expected of him in this OC role and he deserves the fat pay raise. So, in that regard, I'm happy for him. My only concern is that this is a lot to take on and I wonder if he will be able to continue to excel at developing and recruiting the WRs while also trying to learn the ropes at OC.
My guess is that he will only assume some of the role that you would traditionally delegate to an OC. Ryan Day will retain some of his responsibilities, and Tony Alford and Justin Frye are also going to contribute. Play calling is the big question nobody has the answer to. If Ryan Day truly wanted to give up play calling, I don't think he would just hand the reins to a first-time OC. Nobody else on staff seems fit to be the lead play caller other than Ryan Day.
I'd be pretty surprised if Day isn't calling plays next year. Hartline will likely take over at some point down the road.
Hoping this works out MUCH better than when our db coach was brought back as our DC. I think it will.
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That's good hopefully he'll be calling the plays now instead of Ryan Day
Day needs to be involved with defense more Hartline move will allow that to happen. Day needs to keep Knowles in check with play calling. Both defeats this year was on defensive play calling.
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And the BOOMS keep on coming!!
Coach Hartline is a Buckeye all the way down to his mitochondria. He has been successful at everything he's set his mind to. I have no doubts This is a good move.
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Not sure how I feel about this.
I love everything that Brian Hartline does to make our Wide Receivers and team so much better BUT Ryan Day doesn't want to lose or share his job. His job - Offensive Coordinator and QB coach at Ohio State
His "Should be" job is: Head coach at The Ohio State University. I believe our last OC was told to keep quiet and stay out of the way. He will be nice to Hartline because he doesn't
Want to Piss off a great position coach and the absolute best recruiter that we have. I am just not.convinced that coach Day is ready to share and to teach another to do the same function. Time will tell - We will see. It could be a major advancement for our team and personally for coach Day. Position coaches are tasked with development of their players. Head coaches need to strengthen and develop their coaches.
Obsessive Compulsive disorder can be an ugly thing. Let's take some notes and look back in 3 weeks, 4 months, and 7 1/2 months.
Be quiet, I am asking no more from you and you're making more money is a sentence I hope doesn't get spoken.
All first time OC's have never called plays. WR's are involved in every play running routes or blocking - he has 10 years of playing WR in college and pro. I'm pretty sure he's been part of offensive game planning the past 2 years at OSU. He has a ton of football experience, plays and play calling aren't that complicated. I think he'll figure it out just fine....and you have Day to override him if necessary.
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HELL YEA!
GO BUCKS!!!!!
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Let's slow that roll a bit, but I like your thinking. One step at a time.
Next man up. Brian Hartline has earned it and I fully expect him to be successful. Thinking we’ll still remain a pass first offense hahaha. LFG!
It's better to burn out than fade away
I'm very surprised. I fully expected Justin Frye to get moved to OC, and also that it was a plan agreed to by Day/Smith to get Frye to come to Ohio State (or at least an expectation of Frye's). That, and Frye's prior OC experience, albeit now a primary play caller, but I think he called a lot of the UCLA run game. My thinking it was going to be Frye with Hartline tapped as "co" OC for his learning.
But after reading Coach Day's statement (this seems to also be a recruiting-helpful move) and some of the comments above, I'm on board with it. Protects the Program. Leverages Coach Hartline's recruiting prowess for other positions on the O side of the ball. Seems a lot like a longer term possible HC. I still think Frye will be very much involved, especially with the run game. And we saw some of his influence in the Peach Bowl game per Ross Fulton.
I expect some more moves, probably tweaking of titles too.
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Congratulations, Coach.
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Hartline has been phenomenal at developing the receiving talent, so hopefully this is going to translate into what we can expect from the offense with him in charge of it. I'm a little apprehensive about seeing him get this position only because he has never been an OC before--calling plays understandably is something to wonder about for a first time OC (if Day lets him this year), but also being in charge of something much larger than just a position. I'm confident he can do the job, but that is a learning curve for anyone.
That said, he is a guy who knows Ohio State and has lived and breathed it from his time as a player, so that does count for something as well in you are getting someone who knows what the program is about, the standards the program has, and has an understanding of what the rivalry means as a former student, a former player, and currently as a coach. And that is something important as well.
Now he’ll be recruiting for our entire offense and I think that is something that will be really positive for our program.
This is from the quote from Coach Day. I think this is very important. The guy can recruit like crazy. Now he can help with every offensive position.
Natural progression for our home grown next head coach. When Day is ready to go, BH will have the necessary experience to take the reigns.
Great choice for OC, he deserves it. Coach Hartline could probably go and be a HC somewhere else but has stayed loyal to Buckeyes. He will do well with play calling and Coach Day will let him call it. I think if Coach Day decides to go to NFL coach Hartline will be the next HC at OSU.
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I'm surprised at the kvetching going on here. This had to be the move, or else Hartline was going to be tapped as an OC someplace else, and he's not going to be content as a position coach forever.
Also, to the person who posted earlier that Hartline as OC means the run game will be ignored, put down whatever you've been smoking. You don't think Hartline, as a former wideout, doesn't recognize the need for an effective run game? Give me a break.
I'm happy with the move, and if I'm honest, I'm not overly concerned about who calls the plays next season. I'm just counting the days until September 2.
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Yeah, it's a little risky giving a positions coach a job where he has ittle to no experience in running an offense. But I have a feeling that Day is going to tutor Brian and keep his fingers on the playbook until he feels comfortable giving him more responsibility
This is a terrific move! Now, just pay him enough to keep him. His expertise in the recruiting arena is worth at least a couple mil a year alone.
Keep Brian Hartline on staff as long as possible!!
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Always good to see Buckeye players go on to successful careers.
Welp, can't say I don't like that.
gee i was gonna really like this until i read the comments.
egad.
Pretty sure most coaches have got their "experience" while coaching somewhere...youre not born with it. Whether that is while in another position or at another school, who knows/who cares. Would rather he be mentored by Day for a few years (which is likely what happened-although he didn't log in on here to let us know), than hiring someone who was mentored by Cletus Ballhogger at Northwest Southern JUCO.
Well done 9er.
Congrats to The best damn recruiter in the land! I expect Day will stay involved with play calling to some extent to help groom Hartline. I also believe Frye will get input, however, I can also see Frye being Indiana's next OC and or HC in a year or 2.
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Time flies. Seems like it was just the other day when most fans were ridiculing him for leaving school early saying he had no chance to make it as an NFL receiver. Now he is in position that he very well could be the next hc of OSU someday.
I can tell a lot of people are nervous about this and remember Kerry "Peter Principle" Coombs,
But nobody expected much when he was made wide receiver coach and he knocked it out of the park. I think he has the coaching gene, and he deserves this shot.
I hope he slams it again.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -- Woody Hayes
I think we have to make this move or someone else will offer him too much to refuse at OC. I’m sure we’ll likely backfill Wilson with experienced eyes in the press box. Happy this will likely keep Hartline here for at least a few more years. Take away his groups success and this offense gets a ton worse.
Boom!!!!
Don't sleep on the run game just bc he coaches the wrs....
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
I like it. Biggest win is that Hartline will now assist in recruiting all offensive positions, not just WR.
I highly suspect Day will now continue to call plays as Hartline grows in the OC role. We need UGA level evil Ryan Day play caller all season!
Close. He ran Dallan Hayden (4.8 ypc vs Georgia) only 9 freekin times.
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This was the only way to keep him around a lot longer and he can continue to learn under Day. He's earned it. Frye can focus on OL recruiting and development and continue to build necessary relationships.
Knowledge isn't free, you have to pay attention
He will have some time to grow into it with Day at his side. Want him in the program any way possible. I think great move.
Outstanding. Perfect fit for the job.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Not sure how to react, frankly. Love Hartline so I'm ecstatic he's being rewarded for all he does and it ensures he's not prompted to look around. Having said that, I don't know if he has the ability to study a defense and game plan to beat it and/or adjust as the game is unfolding. I'm assuming he has been participating in these efforts over the years --- but we'll most certainly find out next season
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On a somewhat related note.... Clemson hired Garrett Riley as their new OC. Lincoln Riley's little brother who had been at TCU. It's a big hire for Dabo.
Ryan Day needs to start training his new student. Play calling is appropriate in time.
The same OC that put up 7 points at Georgia on a truly neutral field? I’ll take our setup/promotion any day of the week. F Dabo forever
You win with people and Hartline is people!! Go Bucks!!
This confirms that Coach Day will be the play caller next season.
So Day didn’t learn his lesson after he hired a position coach who was outstanding in that assignment as a first time coordinator? This on the heels of announcing he is giving up play calling (which he should). I know everyone loves Hartline (as everyone did Coombs), but this is fraught with potential failure. I repeat, OSU is too big to hire first time HC’s and coordinators to learn here on the job.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Day is 45-6 as OSU head coach, I'd say he's done pretty well being a first time HC. And if you are seriously questioning Brian Hartline you are either trolling or don't even watch OSU football.
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Not sure you are capable of getting it but will try anyway. Love Hartline as a WR coach as I loved Coombs as a DB coach. As for Day’s record, glad you are impressed that he is beating Indiana and Rutgers regularly. He has exactly two “big wins” in his tenure. Look at recruiting rankings, and OSU is right up there with Bama and UGA. Let me tell you where they ain’t. Titles. We tried the first time play caller as a DC. Utter failure, and this sets up to play out same way.. now take a look at who Saban hires as OC’s? People like Kiffin and O’Brien, who not only were well established OC’s, but guys with HC experience. Why can’t we hire those guys at Ohio State? This leaves us with two poor choices: Day continues to call plays or a first time OC. As SEC teams keep racking up titles and OSU keeps coming up short, look no further than decisions like this. Oh, and it is time people who don’t know what the word troll means stop using it. I laid out my argument above. I am not a troll because you don’t agree with it.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison. Saban is defensive minded and his DC’s were all younger/first time play callers that he could groom. While his OC’s were more experienced so he could let them do their thing. Day is offensive minded so this is exactly the type that saban would hire if he was an offensive minded coach since it’s a young one he could groom and day’s DC is an experienced play caller. That’s the lesson he learned from the Coombs experiment.
Very good response. I think where we disagree possibly is with the play calling. Because Day is a former OC, he may think he will call the plays if he has to with a new OC. I have said it before, but OSU isn’t winning a title with an OC calling plays. There is a reason other former OC HC’s don’t do it. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe Hartline won’t become a great OC. But there will be growing pains and it doesn’t require much to derail a championship team.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
I meant HC calling plays. Damn sausage fingers…
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Hartline is gone within a year or two to be the OC for a different team otherwise. I'm not concerned. There are plenty of coaches with experience that still suck, and Day isn't one of them.
Knowledge isn't free, you have to pay attention
Unlike a lot of college coaches Hartline walked away with nearly $40 million from his NFL Career. I'm guessing he managed that well so he is much more well off than other coaches working their way up. I would help that would temper his need to leave OSU and hopefully family has put down roots to keep him here for more than a couple years.
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I got news for you, but as an OC, he is one step closer to being a HC somewhere. Not saying you are wrong, saying it probably doesn’t matter.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
I love Hartline as a recruiter and developer of WR(talent). I really wish Kerry Combs hadn't been our DC because I am so incredibly nervous about promoting from within. Thus, I am happy and nervous at the same time.
KY Buckeye
Got to have this Man in our program...He has totake on these responsibilities if he wants to coach and progress....He's our best recruiter, and he must have him.in place at OSU...We cant say go to ball state, and see how it goes...then we will bring u back...
Usually I would be highly skeptical of promoting within our own ranks for a position as big as Offensive Coordinator, but in this case the more I think about it, giving Hartline the position is the only right choice. Promoting from within is only bad when something is broke and needs to be completely overhauled and fixed. That's not the case this time. Day's Offensive system is far from broke, but it could get that way real quick if we lose Hartline and don't have any great WR. Day knows that his QBs and Offenses don't work too well without them.
It's the proper progression for a coach who's exhibited as much talent throughout as Hartline, starting back when he was an outstanding player for us and in the NFL. It's nearly the exact path and at the same age Lincoln Riley moved up the ranks, but Riley unlike Hartline never played pro ball. He was a GA and then a WR coach at his alma mater Texas Tech for a few years, showed great promise like Hartline, and he went directly to OC/AHC/QB coach at East Carolina. And the rest is history. One of the best offensive minds at any level with 3 Heisman Winners in the past 5-6 years started as a WR Coach before he became an OC and without nearly the success Hartline has had.
We don't want to make the monumental mistake Texas Tech made letting WR Coach Riley/Hartline go elsewhere as OC because we don't think he' ready. Hartline is a winner no matter what he does. He's proven it over and over. He may not ever be Riley, but we can't take the chance he might be somewhere else.
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The Riley comp is pretty accurate and I think a sarkisian comp as well. His first OC job was USC so it’s not unprecedented to start off at a blue blood.
You have to wonder is the Hartline promotion the reason CJ is taking his time declaring for draft? Is he intrigued with Hartline as coordinator? Perhaps contemplating on retirning? We will find out in a couple days....
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Hartline is a fantastic dude. Well deserved. It is my firm believe that Hartline is the major reason for our offensive success over the last number of years. He just "gets it."
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Love the hire but here is my only concern/fear. It’s my theory that we are seeing young Coaches rise to prominence as gifted playcallers because they grew up playing Madden and NCAA Football giving them thousands of games worth of experience that provided them with previously unmatched understanding of the analytical side of the game. Here’s my concern, did Hartline play video games or has he always been to busy perfecting his skills.
All you people on here saying that this is a great hire are going to be on here next year screaming that Day is not a good play caller and that he should have hired a proven OC.
He should give a mini-clinic to the rest of the staff on recruiting.....
Hartline deserves the chance given what he has done for the program thus far. I'd rather have someone for OC that's on the staff right now than some outsider who may clash at some point with Coach Day. Hartline and Day will have a harmony between them.
This is the right move. Hartline is going to be an OC one day. That is almost a certainty. OSU would rather he stay on staff. Yes this is his first time as an OC at a big time college but Day had never been a HC before either and that seems to be working out. Day is still the coach so it's not like they are going to just give him the keys with a learning permit and let him drive alone. Day is going to there for input. This is actually an ideal position for all. It gives Hartline a chance to get the title and more responsibility while putting him in a position to learn from and get back up from Day, OSU keeps one of the best (if not the best recruiter) recruiters in the country and it gives Day a chance to start stepping back from playcalling gradually as Hartline gets more comfortable. I'm here for it and I believe that Hartline's youth, energy and freshness is going to be a boost to the offense and offensive recruiting as a whole. This is still going to be Day's offense so it's not like this is a wholesale change but I do believe we will get some tweaks for the positive. I also believe Day wouldn't have made this decision of he didn't believe in Hartline as an offensive mind.
Herbstreit is such a knob!
JTS
I’m catching some major Highlander vibes from Coach Hartline. Perhaps he is truly the mystical warrior whom will unleash hell upon enemy defenses without regard.
Long live the brotherhood
There can be only 1! 1 football that is, this is going to be his biggest problem with a rotation on 5 star receivers, Stover returning and half the fan base demanding he run more.