Ohio State Remains at No. 2 in AP Top 25, USA TODAY Coaches Poll

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camodog's picture

Will the B1G get the special SEC treatment if The Game is a close loss for either team?

I also like seeing ND being ranked, would love to see them play Texas in a bowl game

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BrutusB's picture

Doubtful. Both of our resumes would be very thin without that win. (We'd be pointing to ~#20ish ND, and Michigan would have destroying a ~#15 Penn State)

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

One or both might have wins over Illinois by the season’s end. If the Illini can hold on and win the West, they should still be Top 25 at the end. 

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tcm1968's picture

We wont start lower than 3rd. Georgia #1 and TCU #4 seem like locks. Seems possible Michigan could move up to #2 though.

Wind or not, all the national folks keep saying some version of the same thing... a 1-7 team pushed our offensive line around..

Go Bucks!!!

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Bucks19's picture

Seems possible Michigan could move up to #2 though.

Not happening. Not from 5 to 2

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PRO8's picture

If TCU loses and it looks  possible.... Tenn looks out of the SEC championship now so it would be a Tenn vs ttun for the 4th or 3rd spots with a possible LSU but they LSU would have to beat Georgia s and if they lost they would have 3 losses so I could see a Georgia OSU ttun and Tenn  in the playoffs with a one loss Oregon also a possibility if their lone loss is Georgia but they have  some tuff games left like TCU... so ttun beats ILL and plays the Bucks close it is not far fetched 

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tcm1968's picture

I still think after yesterday we could drop to 3rd with Michigan at 2. Doesn't really matter long term, but I expect OSU and Michigan to be 2 and 3 in some order on Tuesday. Big picture, maybe being 3rd would be a nice wake up call that you can't cruise to the finish line and expect to flip a switch back on.

I think Tenn is done. If LSU wins out you can't put Tenn in over Georgia, and if Georgia wins out Tenn then doesn't have a good win. Clemson, Tenn and Bama losing imo just means the PAC12 is going to get a team in the final 4.

Then it just becomes does TCU win out, if so they are in. If they don't you'll get SEC, B10 and PAC 12... and then the wildcard would be Georgia gets in if they lose to LSU, or game loser ( if its close) gets in if Georgia wins SEC. I suppose if the game is really lopsided maybe Tenn gets back in at that point ( but they'd still need LSU to not win the SEC)..

I think we are looking at 4 from Georgia, Michigan, OSU, TCU, Oregon, USC, UCLA and LSU..

Go Bucks!!!

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PRO8's picture

Tenn is in if they win out ... they have wins over ALA, LSU.PITT and Kentucky, their only loss being Georgia if TCU and Oregon looses  and Georgia  wins the SEC ch game... They might even be in with Oregon winning out as their loan loss to Georgia is much better that Oregon's blowout loss to Georgia ...

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StoneCold MattAustin's picture

Tennessee may be in if they win out, but they won’t be in the playoff very long if that secondary continues to get beat on medium to long passes. 

Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday

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tcm1968's picture

How would they take Tenn over Georgia ( if Tenn wins out) and LSU wins the SEC championship? That's 100% LSU and Georgia, they aren't going to take 3 SEC teams.

Tenn needs LSU to lose and still might need some help.

Either LSU or Georgia get in ( or both) B10 winner, if TCU runs table = lock.. and if someone wins out in PAC12 I don't know how they get skipped over for a Tenn team not even in their champ game.

The same argument the committee is going to make for LSU they can make for Oregon.... different teams than when they took those loses..

Go Bucks!!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

If LSU wins out you can't put Tenn in over Georgia, and if Georgia wins out Tenn then doesn't have a good win

They put 2016 OSU in over 2-loss Penn State, which had beaten the Buckeyes H2H. Slightly different circumstances, because Penn State won the conference. But I think the case for Tennessee, with a convincing win over LSU (SEC CC in this scenario), and only one loss, could get consideration. 

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BuckeyeBattleCry11's picture

We should be 3...we have a higher ceiling but they have a higher floor. We have to play in the elements the wheels come off...it happened last year and it just about happened with a 1-7 team.

Bbc11

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bootsy's picture

We should be 2. There is no reason at all for us to fall when no other team outside of Georgia has done anything better than we have.

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BodyBuilderBandDaddy's picture

Dear Penn St and Notre Dame... Keep climbing and climbing.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Penn State's weekend was encouraging. This is usually when the wheels fall off for them. 

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Tresselball4life's picture

First on the agenda is how the CFB committee views a windy game vs northwestern.   They could really punish us and move us lower or maybe they don’t look at it as a bad game.  

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okiebuck's picture

It's pretty clear how the coaches think about the Buckeye's after yesterday; we lost all the prior 1st place votes that we had.

Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes

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CincyBuck87's picture

Nope. UGA earned all of the first place votes. As they deserve. 

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SilverHaven's picture

And Michigan earned 2 first-place votes they don't deserve.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Had more to do with UGA depantsing the Vols than the Buckeyes’ game. 

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SilverHaven's picture

The windy day had a tremendous impact-- winds so high they were blowing 300-lb lineman out of their blocking positions.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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tcm1968's picture

Would need Georgia to run table and TCU to lose, then yes very possible in a close game.. If LSU runs table and that's Georgias only loss no chance B10 gets two over Georgia. Same for TCU if they win out..

Go Bucks!!!

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BrutusB's picture

Hope they keep winning.  Would make the field relatively clear cut and keep two SEC teams from getting in

1. UGA

2. OSU / Mich

3. TCU

4. Pac 12 champ (assuming Oregon/USC finish with 1 loss)

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CA_Buck's picture

Really hoping USC closes out with convincing wins. I think Tennessee would get in over Oregon for playing UGA closer.

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BuckeyeBattleCry11's picture

Didn't win their division or their conference...Oregon will have won their conference...game was very first of the season..
I say Ducks.

Bbc11

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Bucks19's picture

Really hoping USC closes out with convincing wins. I think Tennessee would get in over Oregon for playing UGA closer.

Nope. Oregon as a conference champion and playing well isn’t getting left out. Period. 

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BuxLax's picture

Rooting for the Domers to beat SC - what's best for the Buckeyes

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EddieEddie95's picture

Stay in the top 4. These rankings? Who cares? Hope Ttun jumps them in the real rankings. More ammo. Go Bucks!

Principles before personalities.

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Sonof'47alum's picture

The AP Poll seems to have it right and hopefully the committee too will recognize how terrible the conditions were yesterday.

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Dillon G's picture

It also hurts fast players when the field is trashed (wet). 

#walkaway

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Dymatize's picture

Good to see ND jump to 20. 
That gives us another ranked win and is a good predictor of where the CFP will slate them. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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OG Buck's picture

It WAS a ranked win. We beat the #5 team.

David Peck

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Dymatize's picture

Yeah maybe that ranking was fair with Buchner as their QB but they certainly fell off after.

Either way, it’s good to have the current ranked win. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

So are we crediting UGA with a win over the #1 team?

Preseason rankings are meaningless?

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Uncommon Sense's picture

We shouldn't. What this weekend should tell everyone is that the Playoff Committee is somewhat clueless. They were wrong about Tennessee being #1 and they were very wrong about Clemson being #4. Not a good start for them. What else will they get wrong in the coming weeks? Be afraid, be very afraid.

Makes Sense to me...

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Silver Sniper's picture

Exactly. They looked like complete idiots when the rankings came out. And the weekend after was not kind to them at all. They look like even bigger idiots now. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I don't understand why they put the Vols at #1 knowing they were going on the road to play the team that had held the #1 spot for a spell already. If they would have won, they would have claimed the top spot. As it is, they just look super-impressionable, which is not a compliment. 

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TNT's picture

So a team that went to OT at home (LSU) against their opponent (Alabama) leaps them, but a team that got throttled (Clemson) still has an 8 spot lead over the team that shut them out (Notre Dame) until garbage time?

Nice job, AP.

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Dymatize's picture

ND has 2 bad losses and they are getting a pass bc of their QB situation. 
 

I think it’s extremely fair. 
It took them a while to right the ship but they still have more opportunities to move up as well, especially beating USC. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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Shtinkycat1's picture

Agree, not only does Bama have more losses, but they have played poorly in two of their wins. Bama is lucky they don’t have four losses and their ranking should reflect it.  

Shatinkycat1

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BrutusB's picture

This is a weird complaint.  Are we supposed to just pretend that ND didn't lose to Marshall or a terrible Stanford team? One good win doesn't just erase the rest of the season.

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DaBuckMD's picture

They did, but seems SEC in particular it’s about who you beat versus a loss.  Case in point, LSU lost to FSU and yet because they beat Alabama in OT they are #7 with 2 losses and Clemson beat FSU.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

That’s how it has worked for every team/conference from the beginning of the CFP. Look at 2014: Ohio State lost an early, OOC game to a Va Tech team that was arguably worse than this year’s FSU. But the Buckeyes beat tough PSU, MSU and destroyed Wisconsin in the CCG. TCU and Baylor didn’t have the same resume at the end of the season. 

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TNT's picture

I’m not arguing ND should be higher as much as I am saying Clemson should be much lower. Yes, ND has two bad losses (then again, most teams we play tend to lose the week after, too), but Clemson has a bad loss - to Notre Dame - and zero good wins. The timing of the losses matters, too. The Clemson Paper Tigers got exposed, and I think they should have fallen farther.

TL;DR, Clemson is clearly worse than Notre Dame, and their ranking should reflect that.

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StoneCold MattAustin's picture

Did billionaire Mel just get himself another bump in pay by beating Bert? 

Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Seeing bama & clemyson ranked where they are is joy to my eyes.
Seeing them ranked below UCLA & USC is icing on the cake.

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PhillyNut's picture

How sweet it is that Bama is out of the top 10

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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OSUParent's picture

Georgia has clinched a spot, Even if they lose in the SEC Champ game. Tenn is in as long as Georgia wins..winner of the game is in as either will be a 3 td fav in the Big 10 CG. Leaves one spot for Pac 10 Champ or TCU

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Buckeye24's picture

TCU will loose to Texas this week.....

Artthedart

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igo43's picture

I think the word you're looking for is "lose".

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Who ever heard of a mellow winner?" - WWH

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StoneCold MattAustin's picture

Texas’ defense isn’t going to stop TCU. I mean the same can be said the other way, but I’ll take a team who finds ways to win close games than the other that finds ways to lose them 

Buckeye football isn’t every thing on Saturday. It’s the only thing on Saturday

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Darn, Clemson #12. Should be #11

Upon us all, a little rain must fall

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PhillyNut's picture

I see what you did there

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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NHBuckeye's picture

Clemson at 12, sorry not sorry Dabo....  

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GINNandjuice's picture

Bama should be lower 

Over it

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StoneCreekGeek's picture

Notre Dame is the only team to beat #12 Clemson and #14 North Carolina. I don't understand why Texas is ranked ahead of them, other than Texas is getting more credit for quality losses than Notre Dame is for quality wins.  

Stone Creek Geek

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

That loss to Marshall though.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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bootsy's picture

and Stanford. Both at home.

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OG Buck's picture

They beat #4 Clemson

FIFY

David Peck

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

No, they’re #12. No one believed they were #4

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OG Buck's picture

It doesn't matter what WE think. They were ranked #4 by the powers that be.

David Peck

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Yes, but did OSU really beat the #5 team in the country? No. Mid and preseason rankings are flawed by nature. They should never be included on a team’s resume. 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

People were too pessimistic about the Buckeyes being dropped (I know it happened before Clemson and Bama lost, but there were people in the game thread agreeing with each other that we were going to be #6 or #7). Bottom line is that this late in the season, the big movers are a truly impressive win -- Michigan killing a mistake-prone Rutgers doesn't count -- or an actual loss. 

I agree that you can see a Georgia/11.26 winner/TCU/Pac 12 survivor scenario for our final four, although there's sure to be multiple changes along the way. I have real doubts that TCU can run the table, and the Big 12 title game has been a major hurdle going back to the days of the BCS. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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PhillyNut's picture

If Clemson and Bama had won it could have easily happened. Bama would have another quality win and Clemson, depending on how the score turned out, could have had a more dominant win against ND than us and at ND. None of that happened so we are where we are. Most of those comments came before the other games were played.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dougsixxx's picture

Oregon loses.   Texas beats tcu   Loser of mich osu gets in.   Georgia osu Michigan tennessee 

Doug 

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Bucks19's picture

   Loser of mich osu gets in.   
 

What if we lose like 38-24 at home? 

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bootsy's picture

What if we win like 45-20 at home?

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Dillon G's picture

If one is candid and says Kent state and Missouri are not actually tough competition for Georgia, and admit that Georgia just didn’t play very well, then you have to do the same with Ohio State. I made cracks at the Missouri game just because that dick brain Kirby Smart said stupid stuff following the win.

#walkaway

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OG Buck's picture

TOSU is STILL the ONLY team in the FBS to win EVERY game by double figures. There can be only one!

Go Bucks!!!

David Peck

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lamplighter's picture

I figure the Apocalypse is nigh since there are 3 PAC 12 teams in the Top 10 and 4 in the Top 15.

And Washington makes 6 for the Top 25

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Uncommon Sense's picture

Little bit scary, for sure. 

Makes Sense to me...

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

So we’re all still pretending no D Tennessee was good? How much better does our ND win look now? Total garbage. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Bucks19's picture

So we’re all still pretending no D Tennessee was good

D or no D, coming into Saturday they were DAMN good. They are still PRETTY good. 

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StoneCreekGeek's picture

I hate to say it, but I think ESPN and other are going to start saying that if two-loss LSU wins out, then they should be in -- being the SEC champ and having beaten both Georgia and Tennessee too.   And, then, with that said, they'll say how do you keep Tennessee out, who killed LSU?  Or Georgia, who killed Tennessee?   The narrative against a one-loss Big Ten runner-up is going to be accelerating in the next few weeks. 

Stone Creek Geek

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tcm1968's picture

If LSU wins out it's not just going to be ESPN. Everyone will call them a lock ( maybe they don't get the #1 seed, but the SEC is in imo, no chance LSU gets left out if they run the table).

You could probably make the same case for Georgia.. if their only loss is to LSU in the SEC champ game.

Tennessee is done, already... they aren't playing in the SEC champ game and their best win is a 2 loss Bama... both are done..

B10 would need a close B10 championship game, plus a Georgia win ( which would eliminate LSU)... 

Probably still not likely... I think with Clemson being out the committee will start talking about how great the PAC 12 is..

Go Bucks!!!

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B07841's picture

Tennessee can still get in if Georgia wins out and a couple other things happen. Absolutely!

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bull1214's picture

It’s already started. The sec winner is in regardless of 2 losses or not.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

I suspect that is true, but only if they are the SEC champions.  Doubt two losses gets in without it.  Georgia still looks to me like the team to beat this season regardless.

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Uncommon Sense's picture

No 2-loss team has ever made the playoff......yet.

Makes Sense to me...

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jimschehr's picture

Most of you won’t like this but IMO TTUN should be number one followed by Georgia, Ohio State and Tennessee. Unfortunately the B1G will only get one team in the CFP unless the winner of the East loses to the West in the B1G CG then there won’t be a representative from the B1G. So the GAME will be the season for either the Buckeyes or TTUN. 

Try not to suck

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Michigan’s schedule is trash though.  They have one solid-good win, PSU.  Only way TTUN will have a claim for #1 with that trash schedule will be if they are still undefeated after The Game.  Anyone putting them up there now has a bad crack habit.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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mizzer's picture

Anyone putting them up there now has a bad crack habit.

Does this necessitate the existence of a “good crack habit”?

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Midwestbuck's picture

scUM has played nobody, and fortunately enough for them they were on the receiving end of putrid qb play by Rutgers or they are riding the struggle bus for 4 quarters, the same team we had our backups in for the 4th quarter, please quit acting like scUM is so great! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

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buckinraleigh's picture

Michigan's strength of schedule is the worse among all the undefeated teams, by a significant margin.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Doubt the B10 doesn’t have a team in if there is a one loss candidate.  B10 viewers are too valuable to the broadcasters/advertisers and the CFP is not an objectively determined field.

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OG Buck's picture

So ichigan reverts back to what they did in the 1800s, win against a bunch of HS teams, and you fall for it?

Oh well, it's a tried & true method they've been doing for decades. Heck, they even paid ucla to go away this year.

NONE of this screams best team in the country!

Either way, everyone will find out in a couple of weeks.

Go Bucks!!!

David Peck

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Dymatize's picture

You may be the most genuinely scared OSU fan on this site. 
Every one of your comments is about TTUN and how amazing they are. 
 

Are you sure you’re an OSU fan and not a troll?

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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bull1214's picture

If you’re scared just say you’re scared. OSU isn’t scared so you can just curl up in the corner by yourself. 

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jdemay8's picture

The undefeated, defending national champions soundly beat the #1… and two first place votes go to the team that was losing to Rutgers at halftime?  

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Midwestbuck's picture

Exactly!

ibleedscarletandgray

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SilverHaven's picture

Bam!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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OG Buck's picture

ichigan has a good sports journalism school.

David Peck

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Bucks19's picture

 The undefeated, defending national champions soundly beat the #1… and two first place votes go to the team that was losing to Rutgers at halftime?  

It doesn’t mean anything. Not one single thing. None of these voters are on the committee. Not a one. 

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Buckeye Barefooter's picture

The only thing standing between a #2 seed or better in the CFP for the Buckeyes is bad weather for The Game.

A bad day on the water beats a good day at work.

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OG Buck's picture

Not even that will stop the Buckeyes. They will not be denied!

David Peck

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Buckeyeman95's picture

#2 yeah OK and I’m nick saban

Caleb nause

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Looks like we found Saban’s burner account

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Buckeye6266's picture

Nice to know a Hawkeye has our back.

Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan

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OSU2002Grad's picture

If Ohio State loses to Michigan, they’re out. Period. End of story. It’s a home game. You can’t lose at home. 

I could see Michigan getting in with a loss at Ohio State but only if a few other things go their way.

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ButteredBuckeyez's picture

Literally the same would apply for tOSU lol. Obviously I hope they win, home field should be big advantage since fans will be going ham after the loss last year! Go Bucks!

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OSU2002Grad's picture

If Michigan loses close in Ohio Stadium… far more impressive than if Ohio State loses close in Ohio Stadium. 

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bootsy's picture

Michigan not getting in with a loss to Ohio St unless TCU loses, Pac 12 winner had 2 losses, and Tenn loses again. There's a reason why they started out at 5 in the the initial rankings. That non conference schedule will do them in.

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FTWinfrey08's picture

Why the heck did Texas jump so many teams?

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Bucks19's picture

Why the heck did Texas jump so many teams?

This poll is absolutely meaningless. Nobody should care 

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Cruiser72's picture

The actors in this play have no say so how things are staged but just look back 3 weeks ago before Alabama lost to Tennessee and you can see a pattern that says MAKE US LOOK GOOD.......... and who is setting this stage ? for the most part SECESPN is doing so, both you and I know UT had no business being ranked as high as they were just because they beat a bad Alabama, but they were ranked because they wanted GEORGIA to be on a moonbeam after beating UT and they did very very easily DID ANYONE EXPECT OTHERWISE ?  I didn't and with the exception of Jim Hairball and someone who loves Michigan Georgia would have all the first place votes ! damn the last time I remember that happening was in 2014 with another bad Alabama team having one loss and still garnered all first place votes, and what happened after the 85 yards through the heart of the south ? Oregon became the bandwagon team.......... so you see it is all a setup.......... FOR YOUR CASH !!

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StoneCold MattAustin's picture

Sideline reporter Brooke Fletcher who was interviewing Day and Stroud after the game. She’s employed by BTN and Bally’s sports https://www.listal.com/viewimage/10610432

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sunshinestatebuckeye's picture

[Brooke Fletcher - Miss Georgia USA 2015]

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BuckeyeTed's picture

Just happy to project some fresh blood into the CFP. UGA looks the best. Do not admit 2 loss Bama or LSU to the party. Tennessee isn’t going to win their division, which is a disqualification for me.

I guess that leaves the Bucks, TCU and whoever wins the PAC 12.

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sunshinestatebuckeye's picture

I think the CFP committee will grant the Buckeyes special dispensation for the unimpressive win in gail force winds & rain.  However, the Indiana game will place them under careful scrutiny, where 'style points' will have an elevated importance for the Buckeyes.

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BuckeyeKeydet's picture

Was hoping Clemson would fall to #11 for Twitter trolling purposes, but I can work with #12. 

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YtownJohnny's picture

We beat Michigan we are in. 
Big10 championship game is just an easy dress rehearsal for the playoffs. 
PERIOD 

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input4u's picture

Getting UCLA and USC in 2024 is huge.  Let's pretend even though they didn't play any B1G teams this year, we would have 4 teams in the Top 10...  I know that playing some of the better B1G teams would possibly knock them out, but I guess I'm trying to say that adding better teams will help our national rep.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

A few thoughts:

1. I'm already imagining the debate between a one-loss conference champion Oregon and a one-loss, didn't even play in the championship game Tennessee and that they'll use their scores against Georgia as the tie-breaker. 

2. USC winning out would eliminate that debate. They're in if they win out. Biggest "if" left, though.

3. Not playoff-related, but Hugh Freeze to Auburn seems as much a no-brainer as I've ever seen. 

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StoneCold MattAustin's picture

I think if USC or UCLA plays Oregon and beats them in Las Vegas, the committee will have no choice but to take the Pac12 champ. Oregon still has to play Washington this weekend. Penix Vs B. NIX 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Probably right. Imagine that logic: Oregon is ranked above both teams, but might have a harder time getting into the playoff if they win out. 

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