If he wins vs Michigan and Williams loses against ND he takes the trophy (and vice versa). If they both win (and look good in CCGs) we could actually have an undecided race for the first time in forever.
Most of the votes will be cast before the conference championship games. Williams being in the West will help Stroud in the voting. The South, Midwest, and East tend to vote for candidates East of the Mississippi unless the West has a runaway type of candidate.
Most of the votes will be cast before the conference championship games. Williams being in the West will help Stroud in the voting. The South, Midwest, and East tend to vote for candidates East of the Mississippi unless the West has a runaway type of candidate.
You and I had this exact conversation last year. That is 100% incorrect. A vast majority of voters do not vote until after the games. They are not mailed in as you stated. It is done electronically and deadline is Dec 5th.
You should watch more telecasts. Over the years, it has been stated during games that most Heisman voters have already cast a ballot before the CCGs (after all, it is a regular season award and not a postseason award). A lot of the voters were even casting their ballots before the final game of the season because the voters’ minds were already made up on who they thought the winner should be.
You should watch more telecasts. Over the years, it has been stated during games that most Heisman voters have already cast a ballot before the CCGs (after all, it is a regular season award and not a postseason award). A lot of the voters were even casting their ballots before the final game of the season because the voters’ minds were already made up on who they thought the winner should be.
You should do your research to get the facts, not telecasts. And for the record, they are not paper ballots as you claim
Back when I heard about the voting habits…the ballots were paper ballots.
Only the firm that tabulates the ballots actually know exactly when/how they are received but, hey, do your research and prove your point to the contrary.
Rooting for you CJ. However, as I believe Troy S₥ith said so₥ewhere he would have ₥uch rather traded in his 2006 Heis₥an for a better perfor₥ance in the Natty versus the Gators.
As I have stated in a previous post: The last Ohio State Heisman Trophy winner, where the tea₥ won the last game of the season he played, was Hop Cassady in 1955. The Bucks beat ttun 17-0. However, due to 2 non-conference losses, the tea₥ did not play in the Rose Bowl that season. Sparty played and beat UCLA.
Archie lost in Rose Bowls to USC in '74 season & UCLA in '75 season. Eddie lost to the Vols in '95 (*Orlando 1/1/96), with Troy losing to Florida in '06.
Here's hoping that not only will CJ defeat ttun, but that he and the tea₥ will be VICTORIOUS in his final ga₥e, where Bucks' win the Natty 1/9/2023, AND that he wins the coveted trophy. Been a long drink of water between 1955 and now.
Not sure who down-voted your post, which I think is reasonable and ₥ade a good point. I vaguely re₥e₥ber that Troy was not really in ga₥e shape for the Natty vs the Gators likely due to the fact that he ₥issed so₥e practice sessions and/or workouts after winning the Heis₥an. I would have up-voted your post to counter the downvote if I had the right to do so.
Nope. If Ohio State wins its Stroud and that's it. The ONLY chance Williams has is if OSU loses and Stroud plays poorly.
Disagree. He has not played like a Heisman front runner for 3 weeks. If we win 24-21 and he doesn't throw a TD, he will need Caleb and others to preform poorly.
Williams has made a late push but, if the voters actually look at the season overall, Williams had some mediocre stats earlier in the season. Stroud should win the award when he puts up very solid numbers on Saturday. Williams can take home the Heisman next year.
By mediocre, I was referring to completing less than 50% of passes thrown. Stroud, while not throwing a ton of TDs in some games, still had pretty good completion percentages and yardage gained. Of course, the Northwestern game with 60 mph winds was the outlier.
Why do you act like the NW was a game like anything Williams has ever played in? What game did Williams play in where there were sustained 50MPH winds in? His poor GAMES (PLURAL) was Oregon state where he was BELOW 50% He stunk the joint up against WSU just 1 pass completion above 50% and a CLUNKER putting going 14-16 against Colorado...
Your ABSURD attempt to paint Strouds the Northwestern MONSOON as something just the same as Willaims 3 outting is SHAMEFUL.
Why do you act like the NW was a game like anything Williams has ever played in? What game did Williams play in where there were sustained 50MPH winds in?
That is totally irrelevant. And that is one game. What about last week?
What do you just make stuff up hoping no one will call you out? First off, I don't include games played in a hurricane like what was happening at Northwestern. The game after that Stroud threw 5 touchdowns (Indiana) Captain Clueless! 4 games ago AT Penn State Stroud completed 78% of his passes for 354 yards, 0 picks, and a touchdown. For you to ATTEMPT to suggest that Stoud is somehow playing poorly or struggling is just flat DISGUSTING. What are you Caleb Willams's relative?????
About the ONLY thing Williams can hang his hat on to say he has something better than Stroud is raw total passing yards. THAT'S IT. Stroud is #1 in the nation in Passing efficiency (arguably the MOST important passing stat) Stroud is #1 in Touchdowns thrown. Stroud is #3 in Yards per completion the 2 guys ahead of him play for James Madison and North Texas.
The numbers say ITS NOT CLOSE.
Even if OSU does lose if Stroud plays well its his PERIOD IMHO there is NOTHING that Williams can do outside of Stroud playing his way OUT of the Heisman
What do you just make stuff up hoping no one will call you out? First off, I don't include games played in a hurricane like what was happening at Northwestern.
Last I checked, those stats are included in his season stats and that game was played. So any game where it is pouring down rain, they don't count? Like Tennessee - Georgia?
Would love to see him get it.
Last year Olave and Wilson were considered the best tandem in the country. Then when they didn’t play and JSN was target #1 he became the best receiver in the country. Then after his injury Harrison JR is considered the best receiver in the country. And what all these receivers have in common (besides their coaches)is CJ .
Hopefully Ryan Day opens up the playbook and puts all the throws on the table.
Coaching and the WR room gets a lot of the credit in my opinion. Those spectacular catches by Harrison Egbuka this year and jsn, olave, Wilson last year we’re not made because of a great qb. It’s easy for stroud when you have that talent surrounding you. I’m not saying stroud isn’t deserving of being in the running but let’s not kid ourselves, There are more talented qbs at this level. Ok burn me at the the stake now
go back and watch the rose bowl. Those seam passes to JSN are right on the finger tips.His slants are pure perfection. And this year we've seen Egbuka and Fleming let perfect passes hit them on the chest 2-3 times a game(mostly fleming.
Yes Harrison JR is markedly better than the other two, and makes spectacular catches. But I haven't seen one qb thread needles better than CJ.
So I sorta get what you're saying. When CJ has time, there's really nobody better in terms of read and accurate throw. If you can get him off his spot, however, he goes from one of the best ever to merely very good. If he was a bit better running downfield it might help, but he is generally very good in the pocket making people miss and getting a good ball off.
I think DC's have committed to running everyone at CJ to slow the run and try to get to him before he cuts your throat 40 yds downfield. It frustrates him some I think, but he will usually still get a good ball downfield.
Steely , everything you say is true. But to be fair, every qb in history is less accurate while under pressure. Down here in buccaneers world we watch Brady struggle while under pressure.
That said, I did see frustration set in after that 2nd delay of game penalty, but his strong suit is staying poker faced through adversity. Another Heisman trait?
I think if Stroud goes out and plays well against Michigan and the Buckeyes win, regardless of how things go with Caleb Williams and USC, Stroud wins the Heisman.
If his stat line looks like: 20/27 300 yards 3 TDs (or better obviously); and the Buckeyes win I think he's got it locked down.
The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!
I still cannot believe he threw for almost 400 yards last year with a pretty good completion percentage, and we still lost. Then again, he threw for well over 400 yards against Oregon, and we got drilled. Our defense was really THAT bad.
I said it before, if CJ wins, he can rub it in Desmond's face. Not that I care what Desmond says, but I have to believe CJ took Desmond's behavior and the fact that we lost very personally. This team will NOT be lacking in motivation.
I would love to see Stroud win the Heisman. He needs to be decisive against ttun though cause I'm sure they're just itching to get the USC hype train revved up again.
Oh yeah, the hype machine for USC and Williams is fully operational. Stroud will have to go for 350+ and at least 3 TD's to possibly secure it. I think ND has a good shot to beat USC anyway
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
With voters, the states are divided into the six sections accordingly:
Far West: AZ, CA, HI, ID, MT, ND, NV, OR, SD, UT, WA, WY
Mid Atlantic:DC, DE, MD, NC, NJ, PA, SC, VA, WV
Mid West:IA, IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, WI
North East:CT, MA, ME, NH, NYC, NY, RI, VT
South:AL, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, TN
Southwest:AR, CO, KS, MO, NE, NM, OK, TX
Each Section within the United States has 145 media votes, totaling 870 media votes across the country. Additionally every former Heisman winner, 57 presently, has a vote as well.
Those voters aren't looking at hype. Biased? Yes. Hype no.
Heisman or no Heisman, and fairly or unfairly, this GAME will go a long way to shape CJ's legacy at OSU. If he has a mediocre game and we lose (perish the thought) he will be an unsightly 0-2 in the GAME, and yes, this acknowledges that he played his ass off in a losing effort last year. I have a good feeling that he plays an epic GAME on Saturday.
He can lock it down this week, or he can open the door for Williams. Either way, there are 2 games before that vote. Winning those games are more important to the Buckeyes and to CJ's heisman chances.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
The run game needs to help CJ. If we can't get yards on the ground, and need CJ to throw for 400 yards, that's so much pressure. If we can gash them on the ground, CJ will have a huge day in the passing game.
I am thankful for Bryce Young's involvement in the Dr. Pepper tv commercial. Good chance Archie's 2-time Heisman achievement will still stand ALONE. The old saying "pride goeth before a fall." Hopefully team goals will always be above individual awards for players. That being said, Eichenberg is being messed over, not being given a chance to be recognized for possible Butkus award.
My fear all year with the front-runner designation is that somewhat often, the media falls in love with someone late in the cycle and awards it to them based on the late push. This year that is Williams. Not saying he is not deserving.
Beat TTUN! Win the B1G. Win the Natty! Those are the goals. The Heisman (and other individual awards) would be nice.
Boy, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals! - Butch Cassidy
I think Williams is very good, but voters need to consider if they're on the verge of turning the Heisman into a "Only Lincoln Riley quarterbacks need apply" award.
I think that Stroud's numbers have taken a hit this year over last year with big ten officials seemingly "letting them play" Cornerbacks have been grabbing and holding and arriving early much more this season without flags being thrown. It seems that opposing teams with decent corners come into the games with game plans to be as physical as possible figuring that a few flags are better than long touchdowns. Daring officials to throw flags. This impacts Egbuka and Fleming quite a bit. Harrison luckily is big and strong enough to fight through it. Impressive that Stroud has maintained most of his numbers while missing smith njigba and having the "physical play" allowed. Very hard to tell what pass interference or defensive holding is these days. Hope that Stover is a big part of the game plan in the passing game as Michigan will also try to get away with physical play against our outside guys.
Flemings' issues are he isn't catching the ball. He drops the ball FREQUENTLY. I cant agree with you on Embuka. He has exactly 8 fewer receptions than does Harrision Jr. He has the SAME YPC average as Harrison.
Fleming has recently had a bad habit of 1or 2 perfect balls hitting him in the chest. But I really like his toughness. Fleming reminds me a little bit of Austin Mack in that he has - 3 times this season - caught a pass inside the 5yd line and run through safeties and corners to score.
I think if Caleb has a big game against ND and in the Pac10 Championship, I have a feeling that the voters would see this as a bigger accomplishment than CJ having a similar game against TTUN and Iowa.
That would be wrong. All ballots for Heisman have to be IN by Tuesday, November 29. Since that is the Tuesday following the final season game CCG performance will have NO impact whatsoever on the voting.
That would be wrong. All ballots for Heisman have to be IN by Tuesday, November 29. Since that is the Tuesday following the final season game CCG performance will have NO impact whatsoever on the voting.
The Game will show two top ranked teams with no glaring statistical weakness on defense. A perfect potential showcase for CJ. Just like 2006? That Heisman vote worked out pretty well.
I really hope CJ balls out and we air raid the phuc out of them Saturday, Bryce Young won the heisman last year with worse numbers than Stroud but our loss vs TTUN was a major factor. Time to correct both and bring one of many trophies back to Columbus.
If CJ has a great game against scum it likely means OSU is going to win that game and CJ will win the Heisman. CJ is already the favorite and would have to have a seriously bad game with low completion % and interceptions to lose. If OSU was to ever "hang 100" on them this would be the week to do it. ALOT riding on this game.
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If he wins vs Michigan and Williams loses against ND he takes the trophy (and vice versa). If they both win (and look good in CCGs) we could actually have an undecided race for the first time in forever.
Most of the votes will be cast before the conference championship games. Williams being in the West will help Stroud in the voting. The South, Midwest, and East tend to vote for candidates East of the Mississippi unless the West has a runaway type of candidate.
Don’t forget CJ is a California Kid. Voters have been following him since his hs days.
Voters don't vote where they are from. I will bet 90% of voters don't know where Williams, Stroud, Corum, Young, and Nix are from.
Says your opinion. LOL
You and I had this exact conversation last year. That is 100% incorrect. A vast majority of voters do not vote until after the games. They are not mailed in as you stated. It is done electronically and deadline is Dec 5th.
You should watch more telecasts. Over the years, it has been stated during games that most Heisman voters have already cast a ballot before the CCGs (after all, it is a regular season award and not a postseason award). A lot of the voters were even casting their ballots before the final game of the season because the voters’ minds were already made up on who they thought the winner should be.
You should do your research to get the facts, not telecasts. And for the record, they are not paper ballots as you claim
Back when I heard about the voting habits…the ballots were paper ballots.
Only the firm that tabulates the ballots actually know exactly when/how they are received but, hey, do your research and prove your point to the contrary.
Rooting for you CJ. However, as I believe Troy S₥ith said so₥ewhere he would have ₥uch rather traded in his 2006 Heis₥an for a better perfor₥ance in the Natty versus the Gators.
As I have stated in a previous post: The last Ohio State Heisman Trophy winner, where the tea₥ won the last game of the season he played, was Hop Cassady in 1955. The Bucks beat ttun 17-0. However, due to 2 non-conference losses, the tea₥ did not play in the Rose Bowl that season. Sparty played and beat UCLA.
Archie lost in Rose Bowls to USC in '74 season & UCLA in '75 season. Eddie lost to the Vols in '95 (*Orlando 1/1/96), with Troy losing to Florida in '06.
Here's hoping that not only will CJ defeat ttun, but that he and the tea₥ will be VICTORIOUS in his final ga₥e, where Bucks' win the Natty 1/9/2023, AND that he wins the coveted trophy. Been a long drink of water between 1955 and now.
JI row end 78
You still missed a couple of ₥s...
Not sure who down-voted your post, which I think is reasonable and ₥ade a good point. I vaguely re₥e₥ber that Troy was not really in ga₥e shape for the Natty vs the Gators likely due to the fact that he ₥issed so₥e practice sessions and/or workouts after winning the Heis₥an. I would have up-voted your post to counter the downvote if I had the right to do so.
Wasted_1997
Nope. If Ohio State wins its Stroud and that's it. The ONLY chance Williams has is if OSU loses and Stroud plays poorly.
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
Disagree. He has not played like a Heisman front runner for 3 weeks. If we win 24-21 and he doesn't throw a TD, he will need Caleb and others to preform poorly.
Williams has made a late push but, if the voters actually look at the season overall, Williams had some mediocre stats earlier in the season. Stroud should win the award when he puts up very solid numbers on Saturday. Williams can take home the Heisman next year.
By the same logic, Stroud has had mediocre stats later in the season. In three of his last four games he threw 0 or 1 TDs.
By mediocre, I was referring to completing less than 50% of passes thrown. Stroud, while not throwing a ton of TDs in some games, still had pretty good completion percentages and yardage gained. Of course, the Northwestern game with 60 mph winds was the outlier.
They each only have one game where they completed less than 50% of their passes. Their season completion percentages are nearly the same.
Why do you act like the NW was a game like anything Williams has ever played in? What game did Williams play in where there were sustained 50MPH winds in? His poor GAMES (PLURAL) was Oregon state where he was BELOW 50% He stunk the joint up against WSU just 1 pass completion above 50% and a CLUNKER putting going 14-16 against Colorado...
Your ABSURD attempt to paint Strouds the Northwestern MONSOON as something just the same as Willaims 3 outting is SHAMEFUL.
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
That is totally irrelevant. And that is one game. What about last week?
What do you just make stuff up hoping no one will call you out? First off, I don't include games played in a hurricane like what was happening at Northwestern. The game after that Stroud threw 5 touchdowns (Indiana) Captain Clueless! 4 games ago AT Penn State Stroud completed 78% of his passes for 354 yards, 0 picks, and a touchdown. For you to ATTEMPT to suggest that Stoud is somehow playing poorly or struggling is just flat DISGUSTING. What are you Caleb Willams's relative?????
About the ONLY thing Williams can hang his hat on to say he has something better than Stroud is raw total passing yards. THAT'S IT. Stroud is #1 in the nation in Passing efficiency (arguably the MOST important passing stat) Stroud is #1 in Touchdowns thrown. Stroud is #3 in Yards per completion the 2 guys ahead of him play for James Madison and North Texas.
The numbers say ITS NOT CLOSE.
Even if OSU does lose if Stroud plays well its his PERIOD IMHO there is NOTHING that Williams can do outside of Stroud playing his way OUT of the Heisman
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
YOU forgot to post about the TYPHOON, the BOMB CYCLONE, the F5 TORNADO game at NW.... Just sayin...
Steelybuck54
Last I checked, those stats are included in his season stats and that game was played. So any game where it is pouring down rain, they don't count? Like Tennessee - Georgia?
Don’t forget cj has not lost a game this year….
Muck Fichigan
Incorrect. Just look at all past winners. It is a "what have you done for me lately" award.
Fact: Williams is tied for 1st in the nation in TD's accounted for. That is an overall season stat.
Would love to see him get it.
Last year Olave and Wilson were considered the best tandem in the country. Then when they didn’t play and JSN was target #1 he became the best receiver in the country. Then after his injury Harrison JR is considered the best receiver in the country. And what all these receivers have in common (besides their coaches)is CJ .
Hopefully Ryan Day opens up the playbook and puts all the throws on the table.
I mean, those receivers are all absurdly good in their own right. Olave and Wilson are doing just as well in the NFL right now.
Yes the receivers are great. But when one after another is consistently killing it, at some point you have to look at the qb distributing the ball.
Coaching and the WR room gets a lot of the credit in my opinion. Those spectacular catches by Harrison Egbuka this year and jsn, olave, Wilson last year we’re not made because of a great qb. It’s easy for stroud when you have that talent surrounding you. I’m not saying stroud isn’t deserving of being in the running but let’s not kid ourselves, There are more talented qbs at this level. Ok burn me at the the stake now
Brutus for president
go back and watch the rose bowl. Those seam passes to JSN are right on the finger tips.His slants are pure perfection. And this year we've seen Egbuka and Fleming let perfect passes hit them on the chest 2-3 times a game(mostly fleming.
Yes Harrison JR is markedly better than the other two, and makes spectacular catches. But I haven't seen one qb thread needles better than CJ.
So I sorta get what you're saying. When CJ has time, there's really nobody better in terms of read and accurate throw. If you can get him off his spot, however, he goes from one of the best ever to merely very good. If he was a bit better running downfield it might help, but he is generally very good in the pocket making people miss and getting a good ball off.
I think DC's have committed to running everyone at CJ to slow the run and try to get to him before he cuts your throat 40 yds downfield. It frustrates him some I think, but he will usually still get a good ball downfield.
Steelybuck54
Steely , everything you say is true. But to be fair, every qb in history is less accurate while under pressure. Down here in buccaneers world we watch Brady struggle while under pressure.
That said, I did see frustration set in after that 2nd delay of game penalty, but his strong suit is staying poker faced through adversity. Another Heisman trait?
I think if Stroud goes out and plays well against Michigan and the Buckeyes win, regardless of how things go with Caleb Williams and USC, Stroud wins the Heisman.
If his stat line looks like: 20/27 300 yards 3 TDs (or better obviously); and the Buckeyes win I think he's got it locked down.
The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!
I still cannot believe he threw for almost 400 yards last year with a pretty good completion percentage, and we still lost. Then again, he threw for well over 400 yards against Oregon, and we got drilled. Our defense was really THAT bad.
I said it before, if CJ wins, he can rub it in Desmond's face. Not that I care what Desmond says, but I have to believe CJ took Desmond's behavior and the fact that we lost very personally. This team will NOT be lacking in motivation.
BOATS and HOES.
I would love to see Stroud win the Heisman. He needs to be decisive against ttun though cause I'm sure they're just itching to get the USC hype train revved up again.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
Oh yeah, the hype machine for USC and Williams is fully operational. Stroud will have to go for 350+ and at least 3 TD's to possibly secure it. I think ND has a good shot to beat USC anyway
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Never discount the media hype machine.
If this game was in South Bend, I would agree with you. But being out west, I think the Domers will struggle.
Media hype?
With voters, the states are divided into the six sections accordingly:
Far West: AZ, CA, HI, ID, MT, ND, NV, OR, SD, UT, WA, WY
Mid Atlantic:DC, DE, MD, NC, NJ, PA, SC, VA, WV
Mid West:IA, IL, IN, MI, MN, OH, WI
North East:CT, MA, ME, NH, NYC, NY, RI, VT
South:AL, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, TN
Southwest:AR, CO, KS, MO, NE, NM, OK, TX
Each Section within the United States has 145 media votes, totaling 870 media votes across the country. Additionally every former Heisman winner, 57 presently, has a vote as well.
Those voters aren't looking at hype. Biased? Yes. Hype no.
ESPN drives the narrative. The world wide leader in sports. Whatever they put on their front page news stories is what gets attention.
Who is "they"? West coast doesn't get the hype the rest of the country does unless they are a run away choice.
He needs to show improvement from the last few spotty games and be consistent from start to finish.
JBuckI
CJ, Kick their asses!
Heisman or no Heisman, and fairly or unfairly, this GAME will go a long way to shape CJ's legacy at OSU. If he has a mediocre game and we lose (perish the thought) he will be an unsightly 0-2 in the GAME, and yes, this acknowledges that he played his ass off in a losing effort last year. I have a good feeling that he plays an epic GAME on Saturday.
He can lock it down this week, or he can open the door for Williams. Either way, there are 2 games before that vote. Winning those games are more important to the Buckeyes and to CJ's heisman chances.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
The run game needs to help CJ. If we can't get yards on the ground, and need CJ to throw for 400 yards, that's so much pressure. If we can gash them on the ground, CJ will have a huge day in the passing game.
It all depends on the run game.
Leave no doubt CJ!!
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
I am very certain that Stroud would say he would rather have the win against ttun than the Heisman
Of course he'd say that lol.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
Yeah, but I actually believe he means it.
I am thankful for Bryce Young's involvement in the Dr. Pepper tv commercial. Good chance Archie's 2-time Heisman achievement will still stand ALONE. The old saying "pride goeth before a fall." Hopefully team goals will always be above individual awards for players. That being said, Eichenberg is being messed over, not being given a chance to be recognized for possible Butkus award.
Good luck, CJ! Ball out over the maize and blue!
JI row end 78
Young actually looks good this year when I’ve watched them. His receivers just kinda suck now.
He has played like a Heisman winner but to your point, receivers are average and they have 2 losses. Unfortunately, L's trump stats.
Good, because he won't have much of a chance with a loss in this game. Win big this weekend and he likely gets both.
My fear all year with the front-runner designation is that somewhat often, the media falls in love with someone late in the cycle and awards it to them based on the late push. This year that is Williams. Not saying he is not deserving.
Beat TTUN! Win the B1G. Win the Natty! Those are the goals. The Heisman (and other individual awards) would be nice.
Boy, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals! - Butch Cassidy
I think Williams is very good, but voters need to consider if they're on the verge of turning the Heisman into a "Only Lincoln Riley quarterbacks need apply" award.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Just win Saturday!!
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
I think that Stroud's numbers have taken a hit this year over last year with big ten officials seemingly "letting them play" Cornerbacks have been grabbing and holding and arriving early much more this season without flags being thrown. It seems that opposing teams with decent corners come into the games with game plans to be as physical as possible figuring that a few flags are better than long touchdowns. Daring officials to throw flags. This impacts Egbuka and Fleming quite a bit. Harrison luckily is big and strong enough to fight through it. Impressive that Stroud has maintained most of his numbers while missing smith njigba and having the "physical play" allowed. Very hard to tell what pass interference or defensive holding is these days. Hope that Stover is a big part of the game plan in the passing game as Michigan will also try to get away with physical play against our outside guys.
Flemings' issues are he isn't catching the ball. He drops the ball FREQUENTLY. I cant agree with you on Embuka. He has exactly 8 fewer receptions than does Harrision Jr. He has the SAME YPC average as Harrison.
I think Embuka is going to have a BIG game vs UM.
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
That is a stretch. He has had his moments but frequently is not the right word
Fleming has recently had a bad habit of 1or 2 perfect balls hitting him in the chest. But I really like his toughness. Fleming reminds me a little bit of Austin Mack in that he has - 3 times this season - caught a pass inside the 5yd line and run through safeties and corners to score.
I think if Caleb has a big game against ND and in the Pac10 Championship, I have a feeling that the voters would see this as a bigger accomplishment than CJ having a similar game against TTUN and Iowa.
The B1G west champ does CJ no favors.
That would be wrong. All ballots for Heisman have to be IN by Tuesday, November 29. Since that is the Tuesday following the final season game CCG performance will have NO impact whatsoever on the voting.
You WIN with people.
WW Hayes
You would be wrong. Dec 6th is the deadline.
No
Upon us all, a little rain must fall
CJ's award to lose. Lose THE Game, most likely lose the award. Caleb Williams coming on strong.
Muck Fichigan
The Game will show two top ranked teams with no glaring statistical weakness on defense. A perfect potential showcase for CJ. Just like 2006? That Heisman vote worked out pretty well.
Go Bucks demolish ttun
I really hope CJ balls out and we air raid the phuc out of them Saturday, Bryce Young won the heisman last year with worse numbers than Stroud but our loss vs TTUN was a major factor. Time to correct both and bring one of many trophies back to Columbus.
Going out on a lixb here...I think heisxan is about the 5th goal on Stroud's radar.....
CBus love
If CJ has a great game against scum it likely means OSU is going to win that game and CJ will win the Heisman. CJ is already the favorite and would have to have a seriously bad game with low completion % and interceptions to lose. If OSU was to ever "hang 100" on them this would be the week to do it. ALOT riding on this game.
BUCKSRUS
According to Desmond “Bad Takes” Howard, Blake Corum is the front runner!
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
I think if Marv has a great game with some of his unreal catches he is the front runner. Also, it would be great and I expect JSN to return healthy.
Don't mean a thing if we lose to that team.
The only reason points count at all is that 1 single point will win every close game.
So I'd call 39-38 a win, 20-21 is a win just as good as any other.
String four together and go from 11-0 to 15-0 and the point counters will also notice you're National Champion.
*by the slimmest of margins*
Lord Hammercy