Day and OSU will adjust. I like that we don’t seem to be overreacting on the NIL front. Controlled, calculated, and intentional decision will win in the long run.
Eventually these big time NIL contributors will start be more cautious with their funds. There has to be a ceiling for the NIL deals somewhere.
Not sure that Alabama or Georgia will ever reach that ceiling. Football is all they have down there so the alumni will put the money up to sign the recruits that the team wants. Agree that others will realize that it takes more than NIL to field a winning team.
Heck, Oklahoma jumped ahead of us. They dropped some NIL to get a few top players. When they run through another .500 season, the money will start to dry up.
Ahhh yes, the fine people in Alabama and Georgia only have football. Dumb peasants. Get the fuck outta here. You sound like a Michigan fan from 2002-2020.
Dam dude did someone hurt you? No need to call someone a dumb peasant because they don't agree with you. May wanna stay off the internet if you can't handle other people's opinions without having to resort to verbal abuse
I was summing up his point/statement about Alabama and Georgia by referring to those fine people as “dumb peasants”. I’ll never miss an opportunity to irk some hoity toity, pinky out asshole. A new paragraph was in order to delineate a change in dialogue.
As a guy who has lived in TN, MS, AL, and GA, I'm not sure I see a lot that's off about what AZ said. I mean, sure, there's literally not only football in all of those places.. specifically toward Atlanta. But, the dedication and willingness of the average fan to (irresponsibly, at times) donate to NIL collective is certainly stronger across that belt of southern states. There are parts of Ohio that are like this. But there are more parts of AL that are like it for the Crimson Tide in my experience.
The biggest talent assholes have is to act completely inappropriate and then try to make the issue about using “expletives” in response that you are offending them.
As a Buckeye born in Columbus who has lived in, among other places, Ohio, Georgia and Tennessee, it always disappoints me when fellow Buckeyes make these kind of statements. For example, as if all north is great and all south is bad.
As much as I love my home state, we have rednecks (if you consider that a bad thing) that would rival Mississippi, Alabama, and the like.
And to imply, as you seem to have done, that Georgia and Alabama have nothing to offer but football … wow. Respectfully, that strikes me as deliberately ignorant. Don’t get me wrong. I detest Georgia and Alabama football.
But have you ever been to Savannah? The town oozes history. Dining. Art. There is a richness to that town that is nearly unrivaled.
The mountains of north Georgia are beautiful.
For similar natural beauty, check out Dismal’s Canyon in Alabama.
Alabama also has Huntsville. It’s a pocket of engineering. NASA. Great beer scene.
And these are only a few isolated examples
I hate Georgia and Alabama football.
But let’s not paint with too broad a brush lest we become the bigots we claim to detest.
Merry Christmas. Go Bucks (even the ones who live on or hail from the south).
I was born in Toledo and agree with you completely. I moved to Georgia from Florida for work and lived in Atlanta / Sandy Springs for 13 years and loved it there. I moved back to Florida for retirement for the lower cost of living.
Outside of winter sports, which not all enjoy anyway, I see no glaring deficiency that makes the South a nothing-to-do-but-football environment.
I think it should be obvious that the south is a rising (or risen) economic powerhouse. Suggesting that football is all they have would have been closer to true back in the 70's and 80's
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
UGA is a great academic institution that is actually consistently ranked alongside or better than osu and is more selective with a lower acceptance rate.. and Atlanta is literally top 10 in the country for GDP, tied for 3rd for most fortune 500 companies, 8th largest metro in the country, with some of the biggest tech and non tech companies moving regional and national headquarters there (literally both mercedes and porsche recently moved their HQs to atlanta) .. in which 80 percent of the talent is supplied by uga and georgia tech. i dont think its fair to put down places or schools in which you have limited familiarity with.
Live in Atlanta. It is not a great city. It may have all you said but it is still It has,a backword vib, skitso culture and planers through metro Atlanta are clueless.
well i live in atlanta as well and i love it, not everyone is going to be satisfied everywhere. especially considering even metro/ suburban atlanta residents have a skewed opinion of the city's "culture" if you arent an active member of it, as with any major city. people living in virginia highland are going to have different opinions compared to those in alpharetta, or even buckhead.
every major city has things to improve on, especially in atlanta's case: crime. but the city has a lot to offer that i think make it a great city, which is why the city is full of transplants bc they obviously think those things make it a great city too. we all have different opinions.
I love average per recruit as an indicator but like some stats it can be miss leading. Running back rushes for 180 yards on 25 carries and a TD 7.2 a carry. The touchdown was for 80 yards. Take that one carry away you have 4 yards a carry no touchdown ok but not earth shattering. Wr's bump that number up and still positions didn't get filled and no needed depth to the team. Long story short we the chaser fell further behind no matter how you twist it. We are also going after more recruits do the average once they are added to the mix.
Per player average is usually pretty good for us. We bring in quality recruits. We rank lower because we often take 5 or more recruits less than other top ranked teams.
Often take fewer. This is the first class I've seen where we had more spots available than takes since the awkward handoff year between Day/Meyer. This year it's due to the late flips and not hitting on the late commitments. In years past, I recall recruiting insiders saying "OSU is looking to take 24" and then we'd end up with 24 ranked behind Bama's class of 28. So it usually seems to be based on our option. I think other schools just try to get as many good players as possible and then sort it out later. We tend to take a more cautious approach to roster construction.
It's not necessarily a bad or a good thing. There are schools ahead of us with more recruits this year that are not as accomplished as we are. There's also Bama and UGA, who definitely have more recent success. Then there's Michigan who does have more recent success than us ranked down there at 19th plugging recruiting holes through the portal. Different strategies for different teams.
NIL has officially taken the excitement out of National Signing Day for me. I used to get excited to see who we were getting and if there would be a last second surprise recruit. I also loved the fact that they were coming to Ohio State because of development, winning tradition, education, etc. Now, it seems that the only loyalty is the the almighty dollar.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is okay for players to get paid for things like NIL...just don't care that they are being paid to sign with a school. Thanks again, NCAA, for being the incompetent organization that you are.
The results aren't really different though: Option A: "Player A chose Ohio State for the right reasons." Option B: "School X dropped a bag for Player A and that's why we don't have him." Same thing as it was pre-NIL, really. Now we're just more paranoid about it.
But it's not really the average that counts in the end.. You need volume because most of these kids every school takes don't ever play meaningful minutes. When you take 20 kids instead of 30+ like the SEC is doing, you just have fewer chances to not be wrong.
If a 3rd of your class works out, we end up with 6 kids contributing... Bama ends up with 9....
I don't think the sky is falling, but everything has changed... if the goal is to win championships, sooner than later we need to start doing what the champions are doing..
I think losing to TTUN twice in a row has contributed to the sentiment that the sky is falling. Had we beaten them this go around I don’t think many would complain about a top 5 class with a top 3 per player average. Winning cures all, basically. If the Bucks manage to beat Georgia people on here will be more upbeat for sure.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
Three things not Michigan N I L some of those big wants went for the money not where they wanted to play. Pancake would have come here if we paid I truly believe possibly Wilson too Fletcher and the other;s would not have left. Now do the average big difference
So funny how the nil is all we talk about now. Great idea in the beginning now not so much. From bag men to just plan buying players. What could go wrong with giving an 18 year old idiot a million dollars? I said this in the beginning and got crushed for it. Now we are all having second thoughts. Lol
Couldn't agree with that first sentence more. As I read down the stories of the 20 that did sign I was encouraged by the number of them that "wanted" to be Buckeyes, including a few out of state players.
But is it only the bag-o-money that keeps us from getting those five star's that start out as 'committed' only to go elsewhere? (read what separates coaches LJ & Hartline from the rest).
“But is it only the bag-o-money that keeps us from getting those five star's that start out as 'committed' only to go elsewhere?”
The upfront money is definitely why Fletcher flipped and we whiffed on Damon Wilson. I’m not certain but I imagine it’s also why OSU didn’t land MU (DJ’s brother).
Hartline is in a league of his own and can point to guys like Olave and Wilson to help convince recruits that he indeed is the best at development at the WR position. The smart guys will pick NFL money over NIL money if forced to pick between the two (OSU of course offers NIL opportunities but not upfront money, at least not to the same degree other programs do)
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
I might be remembering it wrong but I thought Birm said that the NIL was the prime reason we lost on Keely. He wanted to be here, the scheme is a better fit, but the NIL disparity was to big to turn down. I really like this class, I think there some real great players in it, and not just the WRs. Would've been nice to land a couple of the DL targets we missed on, but I'm sure we'll get strong returns from the guys who signed.
What’s with the word whiff? I don’t see a whiff as being a final 3 choice. The kids visit was around the time Gene Smith made his NIL comments. I’m guessing the two (picking Georgia) and the NIL comment are related. We didn’t whiff, we were pitched around.
Forget the star ratings from the websites and recruiting service businesses... This is a HUNGRY group of recruits!
It's almost like Day et al went out and sought out Clubber Lang types, in each position. I'm pretty upbeat, because I firmly believe that these are the Buckeyes we've been looking for.
Sure player average is great. I think when you look at the class you have to say what was the target at each position? Did they land the recruits to be sustainable to compete at a high level at each position. I think they struggled to get the highly rated kids to stick whether that would be NIL related or throwing all your eggs into a smaller basket of players (Highly rated). If you look at the number of signings in the top 10 they all signed 2 or more players than OSU. Hit rate on the players you get go up and more flexibility on getting a better evaluation within the program surroundings instead of a camp or film of those players so it is a better chance that a 3 star might surprise you. I am not saying what OSU chose to do is wrong but having capable bodies helps with depth and possible highly rated players not working out. Again recruiting is not an exact science so read what I have posted with caution as it is only my opinion. If you agree or disagree I am ok with it. Merry Christmas to you all.
I know all we have to go on is what is reported or quoted from these kids/their parents/handlers/coaches, but as the parent of high-schoolers I would caution against trying to interpret the decisions of a teenager from the outside. It's freaking complicated to say the least.
Can someone explain how Alabama and Georgia seem to take 27 to 30 commits every year when there is an 85 scholarship limit? Do hey have 100 or so kids on scholarship December through August and then cut 15 or so before the season starts?
Okay, unhappy or unsatisfied Buckeye Fans who are complaining about this recruiting class,
THIS IS THE #1 CLASS IN AMERICA.
First of all, it's a great class without considering other factors. Ohio State and the powers that be have totally mishandled NIL. It's plain and simple, every school in America has an advantage over the Buckeyes. Only the integrity and pure superiority of the Ohio State coaching staff and recruiting staff have allowed Ohio State to sign such a remarkable class. Maybe one other thing helped them, and that's the integrity of the players that committed and signed with Ohio State. In many cases, if not all, these 17 & 18 years olds have turned down many thousands of dollars to become Buckeyes. These are the type of men we should want as Buckeyes. It's time to get behind these players and give them the support they deserve.
Furthermore, if and when someone at Ohio State or within the Buckeye community assembles a proper collective, let's open our wallets and make sure our collective is the #1 COLLECTIVE in America! As I understand it, every Alabama player is currently receiving a base pay of at least $70,000 per year while our guys are getting somewhere around $10,000... It's time to get competitive in this NIL thing. We should have the largest NIL Collective period. Let's put our money where our mouths are!!
let's open our wallets and make sure our collective is the #1 COLLECTIVE in America
You had me until that sentence. You go right ahead and open your wallet and/or get your checkbook/debit card out. I however, will NEVER donate a single &*@+ing penny to any “collective.” Too many reasons to list. UV, anyway.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
“As I understand it” - well I read what’s available but I have never read anything about how much money each player is receiving from whichever school. Not from any fact checked sources or any official database- probably because no such database exists.
Last year there were stories about how it costs $13m for the NIL program and that Ohio State was far ahead of others in organizing collectives and providing organized means to reach student athletes- with counsel available to try to ascertain fair deals and not signing a deal in a dark alley on the hood of a car.
Now we get to this season and suddenly everyone seems to think we are standing outside a highway off-ramp with a cardboard sign. I wouldn’t think we fell from near the top of NIL to nowhere in the span of one season. That’s not likely or logical at all.
Maybe some guys chose better weather or maybe for some defensive lineman perhaps Coach Johnson is too old and the kids don’t want to be coached by grandpa. Well there is nothing we can do about the weather or the age of the Coach and I certainly don’t mean this to say we should ask him to retire. But we don’t know all the reasons why we didn’t get certain guys and I just don’t think the sky is falling. The path to a championship still runs through winning your conference and it appears we have out recruited our conference. Go Buckeyes.
I've been reading through many comments here during the early signing period. There are a lot of Nervous Nellies out there. Folks, the Buckeyes are gonna be just fine. History proves it. Relax! TOSU isn't America's highest winning percentage college football team because they miss out on a few "5-star" players. History shows, that 50% of those players rated as 5-star recruits don't amount to much of anything. Duds as I call them. TOSU has had more success with "average Joes" than any other program in college football history. THAT IS A FACT. Archie Griffin was an "average Joe". Just ask him, he'll tell ya. Just do a little research, and you'll discover that most TOSU football players who had the most impact on the team's success were "3-star" recruits. I always make an effort to not get too worked up about recruiting, because I look at it this way. Ohio State is what Ohio State is. It is a college football "blue blood". It will always be that. It will always be respected for that. Look at the 2011 season. How many other seasons were similar to that season in the history of Ohio State football? Not many. So, RELAX!
When Beer sales started at the stadium it was mentioned where the money was to go. It may have been cost for fixing the Shoe can't remember. Once it got to a certain amount the rest was to go to Police maybe Firemen too.
Reading through these post there is a theme. Most are apologist for OSU football. The reality is we are not bringing in the quality volume as Alabama and Geogia. This will prove to be a widening casum as we move forward. Yes we will be good in the BIG and a playoff team, but there is a big difference between that and actually being a powerhouse that wins the NC on a regular basis.
We're getting 4-5 fewer quality guys per year than Bama/UGA -- and you're right that those 2 are our real competition right now in terms of consistently competing for national championships. The way to combat it is either to get 4-5 more and start churning they way they do or to hit the portal stronger for ready-to-start players at positions of need.
I think this class was close to exactly what we needed, but we struck out on a few late. We won't get Bama/UGA results without a little improvement, but I don't see it as a chasm (I think that's what you meant by "casum"), but more of a smaller gap that we can improve on. Rather than saying "the staff is great" or "the staff sucks" it would probably be better to converse about what we'd like to see the staff do to makeup the bit of ground that remains.
We consistently sign 20-23 guys while most programs sign 25-28 guys. Look at the depth this year especially at DB.
it’s about quality and quantity. We are falling real behind on quantity. It will have a big impact in 1-2 years. Especially with our lack of transfer portal involvement. I expect a dip in this program in the years to come
If we have 5 transfers and the competition has 15 transfers there will obviously be a different recruiting and portal strategy. It won’t look the same so expecting it to is just dreaming. I know the fans are ok if 10 buckeye players just leave every year but they should be hoping they don’t have a reason to leave because they are developing into good players that want to be here. Most of the portal players fans drool over are players the fans would’ve cried about if we brought them in as recruits and that’s the damn truth! If we took an o linemen whose best offer was Rhode Island this board would and has melted down but now he’s the savior lol
Quality and quantity. We need both. Cannot under recruit every year as we are doing. There are always going to be big time misses as they are usually SEC territory players and we really are behind the 8 ball most of the time. We must attack the portal with more effort but there are issues with the right "fit" also. Are we overlooking Ohio kids that we need to gamble on? They will just transfer if it does not work out but we can just looking for more.
Are we overlooking Ohio kids that we need to gamble on?
This is a good point, 461. There are many Ohio kids that are populating every B1G team in the conference that would’ve killed for an offer from OSU. It becomes a time-reward situation. I look at all of the 5* kids from the south that Coach Day was pursuing that we had no chance of getting, when that time could have been better spent somewhere else; like on more 3* and 4* Ohio kids.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
This is a good point, 461. There are many Ohio kids that are populating every B1G team in the conference that would’ve killed for an offer from OSU. It becomes a time-reward situation. I look at all of the 5* kids from the south that Coach Day was pursuing that we had no chance of getting, when that time could have been better spent somewhere else; like on more 3* and 4* Ohio kids.
If we take a lot more 3* Ohio kids, we become an 10-2 team every year. Just go see where the Ohio kids sign.
Don't pursue the best, you won't be the best. Win some, lose some. Too many people like yourself just look at who we didn't get, not who we GOT
Until they enter the portal in 2 years then they are highly coveted gotta get guys. Portal players aren’t all former 5 stars. Matter of fact I’ll bet that most are 3 stars or worse.
So the comment was made and maybe someone can explain this to me. We average a smaller number than the top line SEC schools every year. Is that because we have less guys leave or they medical out more? I think when they regulate NIL they should include a cap on recruits every year to 25 or something.
First let me give kuddos. Ever since Meyer arrived OSU has emerged as an elite recruiting destination that has consistently had one of the most talented rosters in the nation, with plenty of talent to compete for a national title every year. OSU also seems to have continued to get even more talented under Day. However, there has been something missing. We know that clearly recruiting matters. And, we know that clearly it is not everything. Despite having great production from the offensive skill positions, the other position groups seem to have a bit of a gap between recruiting rankings and production. I do think the transfer portal and NIL is making some impact as will playoff expansion, but I'm curious what you think the difference has been the last few years when clearly the roster talent is there, but there seems to be something missing that doesn't allow them to live up to their talent outside of the offensive skill positions.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I don’t know for sure, but I’ll bet Coach Day is going to refine his methodology while recruiting these players in the future and go after more 4* and maybe even a few “overlooked (Olave)” 3* that are jacked about getting an offer form OSU. I think especially going after so many 5* players from the south has become increasingly difficult for Ohio State/coach Day, with NIL. Think of all the time the staff put in on just one of those 5* players, like Keely. A player that obviously really liked OSU and obviously had a good time here, only to commit somewhere else because of NIL $ (let’s not be naïve).
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Rankings are overrated. Yeah, it's great to get the top 5 stars and all... but some of the best Buckeyes were homegrown 3 stars. Hell, Joey Bosa wasn't even a 5 star. It's more about talent evaluation and development. What we like to call 'coaching and culture.'
I’ve said many times before that you can can only get so many five stars and you can only rely on developing so many 3 stars. The bulk of really good teams are built on the backs of the 4 stars. We get more of them than most and as long as they hit consistently then the team will continue to be truly competitive with the top teams. Look closely at other teams not named bama or Georgia and you’ll see an abundance of 3 stars making that number higher. We needed a couple more 5’s that the coaches targeted and that needs improved upon but our 4’s are a really strong group comparatively.
Of the 6 teams who finished ahead of OSU in the rankings everyone has at least 5 more committed and up to 12 more (32!!!). The late misses & flips sucked but being #7 with significantly less commits is better than just good. The individual player rankings can be an important indicator of class strength as it is based on the players overall ability, skill, size of school and strength of the opponents they play against. OSU's class far from sucked.
Alabama this and Alabama that. The eventual collapse of that program will be a glorious day. Just imagine their portal once Saban retires/quits. It’ll be a beautiful day. It’s coming. Regardless of his contract the dude is getting old. Won’t last forever.
We've beaten YOU KNOW WHO in recruiting rankings every year yet they've curb stomped us for the last 2 years ...you need much more than high star recruits to win ....much more ...
I love the 3rd best Player Rating Narrative! But, the top 3 or 4 all play the same position. This program is really lacking in quality recruits on the OLine and DLine and it has shown up the last 2 years. Now RB is becoming a problem. I'm sorry but if someone don't get a handle on the Recruiting Across the board we are going to be a Big 12 team. This lack of diversity in the recruiting classes is getting seriously worse!
We ended up being OK with Myian and Henderson being less than 100% because we had a Transfer that always wanted to be a Buckeye and A Freshman that played well. We may lose Williams this year to the Draft, Henderson will likely be gone next year That leaves us with 3 Scholarship RB's in 2 years. DE is a position that has really haunted Ohio State since Chase Young left and as you watch games our depth is either really bad or nonexistent and the Pressure off the Edge is gone as well. We lose at least 2 starters off the OLine this year many in the next 2 yrs, I do Not see the replacements there yet and a bad sign is we offered 2 Transfers and so far whiffed on both. we have to take more than 1 player at every defensive position in each class. The LB Room is going to be bare next year when Tommy and Steele leave. So you see alot more upside than \I do I'm being realistic. We have 14 WR and 3 LB's the Recruiting rankings look great but it lies!
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The sky isn’t falling?
Day and OSU will adjust. I like that we don’t seem to be overreacting on the NIL front. Controlled, calculated, and intentional decision will win in the long run.
Eventually these big time NIL contributors will start be more cautious with their funds. There has to be a ceiling for the NIL deals somewhere.
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Not sure that Alabama or Georgia will ever reach that ceiling. Football is all they have down there so the alumni will put the money up to sign the recruits that the team wants. Agree that others will realize that it takes more than NIL to field a winning team.
Heck, Oklahoma jumped ahead of us. They dropped some NIL to get a few top players. When they run through another .500 season, the money will start to dry up.
Ahhh yes, the fine people in Alabama and Georgia only have football. Dumb peasants. Get the fuck outta here. You sound like a Michigan fan from 2002-2020.
Prove me wrong.
Also, notice how I don’t resort to using expletives to get my opinion across. You should try it sometime.
It’s on me to prove people in Alabama and Georgia have more than football? Lol “expletives” while you shit on two states.
Dam dude did someone hurt you? No need to call someone a dumb peasant because they don't agree with you. May wanna stay off the internet if you can't handle other people's opinions without having to resort to verbal abuse
I was summing up his point/statement about Alabama and Georgia by referring to those fine people as “dumb peasants”. I’ll never miss an opportunity to irk some hoity toity, pinky out asshole. A new paragraph was in order to delineate a change in dialogue.
As a guy who has lived in TN, MS, AL, and GA, I'm not sure I see a lot that's off about what AZ said. I mean, sure, there's literally not only football in all of those places.. specifically toward Atlanta. But, the dedication and willingness of the average fan to (irresponsibly, at times) donate to NIL collective is certainly stronger across that belt of southern states. There are parts of Ohio that are like this. But there are more parts of AL that are like it for the Crimson Tide in my experience.
Lol, look at big brain/small brain six and how he can use delineate and asshole in the same paragraph. What talent.
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You made a good point but you ruined it with your potty mouth.
I would have used "fudge" instead of f**k and I would have used "doo doo" instead of sh*t.
We can all do better.
I dunno, Powell. “Fudge” doesn’t seem have the same effect. /s
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
The biggest talent assholes have is to act completely inappropriate and then try to make the issue about using “expletives” in response that you are offending them.
As a Buckeye born in Columbus who has lived in, among other places, Ohio, Georgia and Tennessee, it always disappoints me when fellow Buckeyes make these kind of statements. For example, as if all north is great and all south is bad.
As much as I love my home state, we have rednecks (if you consider that a bad thing) that would rival Mississippi, Alabama, and the like.
And to imply, as you seem to have done, that Georgia and Alabama have nothing to offer but football … wow. Respectfully, that strikes me as deliberately ignorant. Don’t get me wrong. I detest Georgia and Alabama football.
But have you ever been to Savannah? The town oozes history. Dining. Art. There is a richness to that town that is nearly unrivaled.
The mountains of north Georgia are beautiful.
For similar natural beauty, check out Dismal’s Canyon in Alabama.
Alabama also has Huntsville. It’s a pocket of engineering. NASA. Great beer scene.
And these are only a few isolated examples
I hate Georgia and Alabama football.
But let’s not paint with too broad a brush lest we become the bigots we claim to detest.
Merry Christmas. Go Bucks (even the ones who live on or hail from the south).
I was born in Toledo and agree with you completely. I moved to Georgia from Florida for work and lived in Atlanta / Sandy Springs for 13 years and loved it there. I moved back to Florida for retirement for the lower cost of living.
Outside of winter sports, which not all enjoy anyway, I see no glaring deficiency that makes the South a nothing-to-do-but-football environment.
I think it should be obvious that the south is a rising (or risen) economic powerhouse. Suggesting that football is all they have would have been closer to true back in the 70's and 80's
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That's just simply not true: There are some incredible Cornhole leagues and Pickle Ball leagues.
You should get out more.
.. ignorant take.
UGA is a great academic institution that is actually consistently ranked alongside or better than osu and is more selective with a lower acceptance rate.. and Atlanta is literally top 10 in the country for GDP, tied for 3rd for most fortune 500 companies, 8th largest metro in the country, with some of the biggest tech and non tech companies moving regional and national headquarters there (literally both mercedes and porsche recently moved their HQs to atlanta) .. in which 80 percent of the talent is supplied by uga and georgia tech. i dont think its fair to put down places or schools in which you have limited familiarity with.
Live in Atlanta. It is not a great city. It may have all you said but it is still It has,a backword vib, skitso culture and planers through metro Atlanta are clueless.
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well i live in atlanta as well and i love it, not everyone is going to be satisfied everywhere. especially considering even metro/ suburban atlanta residents have a skewed opinion of the city's "culture" if you arent an active member of it, as with any major city. people living in virginia highland are going to have different opinions compared to those in alpharetta, or even buckhead.
every major city has things to improve on, especially in atlanta's case: crime. but the city has a lot to offer that i think make it a great city, which is why the city is full of transplants bc they obviously think those things make it a great city too. we all have different opinions.
We will have to agree to disagree.
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And??
You are 100% positive of that? Where did you get your information?
I love average per recruit as an indicator but like some stats it can be miss leading. Running back rushes for 180 yards on 25 carries and a TD 7.2 a carry. The touchdown was for 80 yards. Take that one carry away you have 4 yards a carry no touchdown ok but not earth shattering. Wr's bump that number up and still positions didn't get filled and no needed depth to the team. Long story short we the chaser fell further behind no matter how you twist it. We are also going after more recruits do the average once they are added to the mix.
Denny
Per player average is usually pretty good for us. We bring in quality recruits. We rank lower because we often take 5 or more recruits less than other top ranked teams.
Yep…the only way we’ll ever see a class with those bigger numbers is if we see a mass exodus of early entrants/transfers in a single season.
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Often take or often get? Big difference
Often take fewer. This is the first class I've seen where we had more spots available than takes since the awkward handoff year between Day/Meyer. This year it's due to the late flips and not hitting on the late commitments. In years past, I recall recruiting insiders saying "OSU is looking to take 24" and then we'd end up with 24 ranked behind Bama's class of 28. So it usually seems to be based on our option. I think other schools just try to get as many good players as possible and then sort it out later. We tend to take a more cautious approach to roster construction.
It's not necessarily a bad or a good thing. There are schools ahead of us with more recruits this year that are not as accomplished as we are. There's also Bama and UGA, who definitely have more recent success. Then there's Michigan who does have more recent success than us ranked down there at 19th plugging recruiting holes through the portal. Different strategies for different teams.
Poor ole Ohio st will be……..just fine.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
Meh - Let's see what happens on the 31st. CFB is slipping away for me in general. Hopefully we can finish 2-0.
... and that means two things
Stinks to lose on guys like Downs and Damon Wilson, but this is still a solid class and helps address some needs, especially in the secondary.
The staff will definitely need to get a couple RB’s in the next class. Fingers crossed that the NIL aspect is more organized/put together by then.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
NIL has officially taken the excitement out of National Signing Day for me. I used to get excited to see who we were getting and if there would be a last second surprise recruit. I also loved the fact that they were coming to Ohio State because of development, winning tradition, education, etc. Now, it seems that the only loyalty is the the almighty dollar.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is okay for players to get paid for things like NIL...just don't care that they are being paid to sign with a school. Thanks again, NCAA, for being the incompetent organization that you are.
The results aren't really different though: Option A: "Player A chose Ohio State for the right reasons." Option B: "School X dropped a bag for Player A and that's why we don't have him." Same thing as it was pre-NIL, really. Now we're just more paranoid about it.
NIL is fast becoming to college football what Facebook has already become to social media.
It's a brilliant way of helping me identify the hookers, johns and low life's so I can stay far away from them.
But it's not really the average that counts in the end.. You need volume because most of these kids every school takes don't ever play meaningful minutes. When you take 20 kids instead of 30+ like the SEC is doing, you just have fewer chances to not be wrong.
If a 3rd of your class works out, we end up with 6 kids contributing... Bama ends up with 9....
I don't think the sky is falling, but everything has changed... if the goal is to win championships, sooner than later we need to start doing what the champions are doing..
Go Bucks!!!
Yet, roughly half the voters on here said this class was not a success. Mind boggling to me.
We need a game really badly.
vacuuming sucks
I think losing to TTUN twice in a row has contributed to the sentiment that the sky is falling. Had we beaten them this go around I don’t think many would complain about a top 5 class with a top 3 per player average. Winning cures all, basically. If the Bucks manage to beat Georgia people on here will be more upbeat for sure.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
Three things not Michigan N I L some of those big wants went for the money not where they wanted to play. Pancake would have come here if we paid I truly believe possibly Wilson too Fletcher and the other;s would not have left. Now do the average big difference
Denny
But then the B1G wouldn't have 2 teams in the cfp!?!?!
David Peck
Those players playing in the playoff are pre Nil wait and see if we would be a top 4 team in two years
Denny
This! Spoiled fans. Had we gotten some on those in the end instead of early, there would have been a party. It is amazing
So funny how the nil is all we talk about now. Great idea in the beginning now not so much. From bag men to just plan buying players. What could go wrong with giving an 18 year old idiot a million dollars? I said this in the beginning and got crushed for it. Now we are all having second thoughts. Lol
Fire Kevin Warren
Couldn't agree with that first sentence more. As I read down the stories of the 20 that did sign I was encouraged by the number of them that "wanted" to be Buckeyes, including a few out of state players.
But is it only the bag-o-money that keeps us from getting those five star's that start out as 'committed' only to go elsewhere? (read what separates coaches LJ & Hartline from the rest).
“But is it only the bag-o-money that keeps us from getting those five star's that start out as 'committed' only to go elsewhere?”
The upfront money is definitely why Fletcher flipped and we whiffed on Damon Wilson. I’m not certain but I imagine it’s also why OSU didn’t land MU (DJ’s brother).
Hartline is in a league of his own and can point to guys like Olave and Wilson to help convince recruits that he indeed is the best at development at the WR position. The smart guys will pick NFL money over NIL money if forced to pick between the two (OSU of course offers NIL opportunities but not upfront money, at least not to the same degree other programs do)
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
I might be remembering it wrong but I thought Birm said that the NIL was the prime reason we lost on Keely. He wanted to be here, the scheme is a better fit, but the NIL disparity was to big to turn down. I really like this class, I think there some real great players in it, and not just the WRs. Would've been nice to land a couple of the DL targets we missed on, but I'm sure we'll get strong returns from the guys who signed.
Yes, I believe you are right as it regards Keeley.
Agree-there is a lot to like about this class.
“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey
What’s with the word whiff? I don’t see a whiff as being a final 3 choice. The kids visit was around the time Gene Smith made his NIL comments. I’m guessing the two (picking Georgia) and the NIL comment are related. We didn’t whiff, we were pitched around.
RemainCalm — All is well.
True
Fire Kevin Warren
I get the average is high, but doesn’t the fact that every school ahead of us takes 3 kids for our every 2 kids somewhat offset the higher average?
I don't know about other people, but I value quality over quantity.
'Why not both?'
--Alabama
Becoming Bama would solve a lot of our program's current recruiting worries.
The recruiting rankings, whether by total or on player average, seem to mirror where we end up every year. Somewhere between 2nd and 5th.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Forget the star ratings from the websites and recruiting service businesses... This is a HUNGRY group of recruits!
It's almost like Day et al went out and sought out Clubber Lang types, in each position. I'm pretty upbeat, because I firmly believe that these are the Buckeyes we've been looking for.
Try telling that and having many posters believe that. It’s doomsday. It’s embarrassing
We ARE top 5 at worst. 24/7 has us ranked lower than any other service.
Sure player average is great. I think when you look at the class you have to say what was the target at each position? Did they land the recruits to be sustainable to compete at a high level at each position. I think they struggled to get the highly rated kids to stick whether that would be NIL related or throwing all your eggs into a smaller basket of players (Highly rated). If you look at the number of signings in the top 10 they all signed 2 or more players than OSU. Hit rate on the players you get go up and more flexibility on getting a better evaluation within the program surroundings instead of a camp or film of those players so it is a better chance that a 3 star might surprise you. I am not saying what OSU chose to do is wrong but having capable bodies helps with depth and possible highly rated players not working out. Again recruiting is not an exact science so read what I have posted with caution as it is only my opinion. If you agree or disagree I am ok with it. Merry Christmas to you all.
I know all we have to go on is what is reported or quoted from these kids/their parents/handlers/coaches, but as the parent of high-schoolers I would caution against trying to interpret the decisions of a teenager from the outside. It's freaking complicated to say the least.
vacuuming sucks
Can someone explain how Alabama and Georgia seem to take 27 to 30 commits every year when there is an 85 scholarship limit? Do hey have 100 or so kids on scholarship December through August and then cut 15 or so before the season starts?
ernie
different "rules" for different schools
we play 9 conference games, they play 8, Big 12 plays round robin.............there are just no uniform rules and it makes CFB a bit of a mess
vacuuming sucks
All conferences have the right/ Option to play 8. That is an “us” problem. No reason to bitch about it. Do something about it
Look at the portal. Alabama has a lot of players in the portal. Saban burns and churns players.
RemainCalm — All is well.
Okay, unhappy or unsatisfied Buckeye Fans who are complaining about this recruiting class,
THIS IS THE #1 CLASS IN AMERICA.
First of all, it's a great class without considering other factors. Ohio State and the powers that be have totally mishandled NIL. It's plain and simple, every school in America has an advantage over the Buckeyes. Only the integrity and pure superiority of the Ohio State coaching staff and recruiting staff have allowed Ohio State to sign such a remarkable class. Maybe one other thing helped them, and that's the integrity of the players that committed and signed with Ohio State. In many cases, if not all, these 17 & 18 years olds have turned down many thousands of dollars to become Buckeyes. These are the type of men we should want as Buckeyes. It's time to get behind these players and give them the support they deserve.
Furthermore, if and when someone at Ohio State or within the Buckeye community assembles a proper collective, let's open our wallets and make sure our collective is the #1 COLLECTIVE in America! As I understand it, every Alabama player is currently receiving a base pay of at least $70,000 per year while our guys are getting somewhere around $10,000... It's time to get competitive in this NIL thing. We should have the largest NIL Collective period. Let's put our money where our mouths are!!
You had me until that sentence. You go right ahead and open your wallet and/or get your checkbook/debit card out. I however, will NEVER donate a single &*@+ing penny to any “collective.” Too many reasons to list. UV, anyway.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
“As I understand it” - well I read what’s available but I have never read anything about how much money each player is receiving from whichever school. Not from any fact checked sources or any official database- probably because no such database exists.
Last year there were stories about how it costs $13m for the NIL program and that Ohio State was far ahead of others in organizing collectives and providing organized means to reach student athletes- with counsel available to try to ascertain fair deals and not signing a deal in a dark alley on the hood of a car.
Now we get to this season and suddenly everyone seems to think we are standing outside a highway off-ramp with a cardboard sign. I wouldn’t think we fell from near the top of NIL to nowhere in the span of one season. That’s not likely or logical at all.
Maybe some guys chose better weather or maybe for some defensive lineman perhaps Coach Johnson is too old and the kids don’t want to be coached by grandpa. Well there is nothing we can do about the weather or the age of the Coach and I certainly don’t mean this to say we should ask him to retire. But we don’t know all the reasons why we didn’t get certain guys and I just don’t think the sky is falling. The path to a championship still runs through winning your conference and it appears we have out recruited our conference. Go Buckeyes.
Michael
Just best the scUM up north, please.
ibleedscarletandgray
Shouldnt be hard there. Player development is where they really seem to be ahead of us now. So thats where we really need to best then.
So is signing any sort of RB not a priority (especially after what happened to that position this season)?
RBs next season: Henderson, Miyan, Hayden, Pryor, Chip T., TC Caffey.
i does not think RB depth will be a problem. Playing time will
RemainCalm — All is well.
Miyan could enter the draft. I hope he doesn’t though. He’s a different type of back than the others.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
I've been reading through many comments here during the early signing period. There are a lot of Nervous Nellies out there. Folks, the Buckeyes are gonna be just fine. History proves it. Relax! TOSU isn't America's highest winning percentage college football team because they miss out on a few "5-star" players. History shows, that 50% of those players rated as 5-star recruits don't amount to much of anything. Duds as I call them. TOSU has had more success with "average Joes" than any other program in college football history. THAT IS A FACT. Archie Griffin was an "average Joe". Just ask him, he'll tell ya. Just do a little research, and you'll discover that most TOSU football players who had the most impact on the team's success were "3-star" recruits. I always make an effort to not get too worked up about recruiting, because I look at it this way. Ohio State is what Ohio State is. It is a college football "blue blood". It will always be that. It will always be respected for that. Look at the 2011 season. How many other seasons were similar to that season in the history of Ohio State football? Not many. So, RELAX!
Where's that local billionaire when it come to NIL? Did Epstein take all his NIL money?
Don’t have to be a billionaire to contribute. Every dollar counts. Have you contributed?
Yea buying those $10 beers at the stadium
ibleedscarletandgray
You do realize that has ZERO contribution to NIL don't you? My guess is no.
When Beer sales started at the stadium it was mentioned where the money was to go. It may have been cost for fixing the Shoe can't remember. Once it got to a certain amount the rest was to go to Police maybe Firemen too.
Denny
I cannot think of a more frivolous waste of my hard earned $. There could be one out there, but I haven’t thought of it yet.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Then don't complain. Everyone wants to complain about NIL$ but doesn't want to part of the solution. Everyone wants everyone else to contribute.
Wrong. I don't give a flying fuk whether you donate or your momma gives your inheritance to "the collective." I won't donate a GD penny.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Average star is how the classes should be ranked
Because it moves us up? This is about overall. More points, more depth.
Reading through these post there is a theme. Most are apologist for OSU football. The reality is we are not bringing in the quality volume as Alabama and Geogia. This will prove to be a widening casum as we move forward. Yes we will be good in the BIG and a playoff team, but there is a big difference between that and actually being a powerhouse that wins the NC on a regular basis.
That's right, that's right, we bad
We're getting 4-5 fewer quality guys per year than Bama/UGA -- and you're right that those 2 are our real competition right now in terms of consistently competing for national championships. The way to combat it is either to get 4-5 more and start churning they way they do or to hit the portal stronger for ready-to-start players at positions of need.
I think this class was close to exactly what we needed, but we struck out on a few late. We won't get Bama/UGA results without a little improvement, but I don't see it as a chasm (I think that's what you meant by "casum"), but more of a smaller gap that we can improve on. Rather than saying "the staff is great" or "the staff sucks" it would probably be better to converse about what we'd like to see the staff do to makeup the bit of ground that remains.
We consistently sign 20-23 guys while most programs sign 25-28 guys. Look at the depth this year especially at DB.
it’s about quality and quantity. We are falling real behind on quantity. It will have a big impact in 1-2 years. Especially with our lack of transfer portal involvement. I expect a dip in this program in the years to come
Gatt_Daddy
If we have 5 transfers and the competition has 15 transfers there will obviously be a different recruiting and portal strategy. It won’t look the same so expecting it to is just dreaming. I know the fans are ok if 10 buckeye players just leave every year but they should be hoping they don’t have a reason to leave because they are developing into good players that want to be here. Most of the portal players fans drool over are players the fans would’ve cried about if we brought them in as recruits and that’s the damn truth! If we took an o linemen whose best offer was Rhode Island this board would and has melted down but now he’s the savior lol
Quality and quantity. We need both. Cannot under recruit every year as we are doing. There are always going to be big time misses as they are usually SEC territory players and we really are behind the 8 ball most of the time. We must attack the portal with more effort but there are issues with the right "fit" also. Are we overlooking Ohio kids that we need to gamble on? They will just transfer if it does not work out but we can just looking for more.
This is a good point, 461. There are many Ohio kids that are populating every B1G team in the conference that would’ve killed for an offer from OSU. It becomes a time-reward situation. I look at all of the 5* kids from the south that Coach Day was pursuing that we had no chance of getting, when that time could have been better spent somewhere else; like on more 3* and 4* Ohio kids.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
If we take a lot more 3* Ohio kids, we become an 10-2 team every year. Just go see where the Ohio kids sign.
Don't pursue the best, you won't be the best. Win some, lose some. Too many people like yourself just look at who we didn't get, not who we GOT
No thanks,
Until they enter the portal in 2 years then they are highly coveted gotta get guys. Portal players aren’t all former 5 stars. Matter of fact I’ll bet that most are 3 stars or worse.
His best recruit was Justin Fields a transfer. We might see that happen again.
Did you forget about Ewers? Number one recruit in the country
So the comment was made and maybe someone can explain this to me. We average a smaller number than the top line SEC schools every year. Is that because we have less guys leave or they medical out more? I think when they regulate NIL they should include a cap on recruits every year to 25 or something.
JBuckI
I won't be alive in 2050
First let me give kuddos. Ever since Meyer arrived OSU has emerged as an elite recruiting destination that has consistently had one of the most talented rosters in the nation, with plenty of talent to compete for a national title every year. OSU also seems to have continued to get even more talented under Day. However, there has been something missing. We know that clearly recruiting matters. And, we know that clearly it is not everything. Despite having great production from the offensive skill positions, the other position groups seem to have a bit of a gap between recruiting rankings and production. I do think the transfer portal and NIL is making some impact as will playoff expansion, but I'm curious what you think the difference has been the last few years when clearly the roster talent is there, but there seems to be something missing that doesn't allow them to live up to their talent outside of the offensive skill positions.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I don’t know for sure, but I’ll bet Coach Day is going to refine his methodology while recruiting these players in the future and go after more 4* and maybe even a few “overlooked (Olave)” 3* that are jacked about getting an offer form OSU. I think especially going after so many 5* players from the south has become increasingly difficult for Ohio State/coach Day, with NIL. Think of all the time the staff put in on just one of those 5* players, like Keely. A player that obviously really liked OSU and obviously had a good time here, only to commit somewhere else because of NIL $ (let’s not be naïve).
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Rankings are overrated. Yeah, it's great to get the top 5 stars and all... but some of the best Buckeyes were homegrown 3 stars. Hell, Joey Bosa wasn't even a 5 star. It's more about talent evaluation and development. What we like to call 'coaching and culture.'
Fuck Michigan
I’ve said many times before that you can can only get so many five stars and you can only rely on developing so many 3 stars. The bulk of really good teams are built on the backs of the 4 stars. We get more of them than most and as long as they hit consistently then the team will continue to be truly competitive with the top teams. Look closely at other teams not named bama or Georgia and you’ll see an abundance of 3 stars making that number higher. We needed a couple more 5’s that the coaches targeted and that needs improved upon but our 4’s are a really strong group comparatively.
Of the 6 teams who finished ahead of OSU in the rankings everyone has at least 5 more committed and up to 12 more (32!!!). The late misses & flips sucked but being #7 with significantly less commits is better than just good. The individual player rankings can be an important indicator of class strength as it is based on the players overall ability, skill, size of school and strength of the opponents they play against. OSU's class far from sucked.
BUCKSRUS
Alabama this and Alabama that. The eventual collapse of that program will be a glorious day. Just imagine their portal once Saban retires/quits. It’ll be a beautiful day. It’s coming. Regardless of his contract the dude is getting old. Won’t last forever.
We've beaten YOU KNOW WHO in recruiting rankings every year yet they've curb stomped us for the last 2 years ...you need much more than high star recruits to win ....much more ...
I love the 3rd best Player Rating Narrative! But, the top 3 or 4 all play the same position. This program is really lacking in quality recruits on the OLine and DLine and it has shown up the last 2 years. Now RB is becoming a problem. I'm sorry but if someone don't get a handle on the Recruiting Across the board we are going to be a Big 12 team. This lack of diversity in the recruiting classes is getting seriously worse!
All our guys are excellent RBs. Injuries were the problem, not the players. Heck, TreVeyon was the #1 RB coming out. You CAN'T get better than that.
Merry Christmas!
David Peck
We ended up being OK with Myian and Henderson being less than 100% because we had a Transfer that always wanted to be a Buckeye and A Freshman that played well. We may lose Williams this year to the Draft, Henderson will likely be gone next year That leaves us with 3 Scholarship RB's in 2 years. DE is a position that has really haunted Ohio State since Chase Young left and as you watch games our depth is either really bad or nonexistent and the Pressure off the Edge is gone as well. We lose at least 2 starters off the OLine this year many in the next 2 yrs, I do Not see the replacements there yet and a bad sign is we offered 2 Transfers and so far whiffed on both. we have to take more than 1 player at every defensive position in each class. The LB Room is going to be bare next year when Tommy and Steele leave. So you see alot more upside than \I do I'm being realistic. We have 14 WR and 3 LB's the Recruiting rankings look great but it lies!
"Eight other schools signed multiple five-stars, led by Alabama with a whopping seven."
Have to go where the precious is at.............hahahahahaha
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza