I wish there was a resource to measure how right and (mostly) wrong guys like Todd Mcshay and Mel Kiper have been with their draft analysis. I can’t stand either of them.
Kind of like buckeye scoop. Some people report the news and some try to invent the news. Kiper has been the measuring stick of draft coverage for a long time. He’s not a click bait guy. He says what he says and doesn’t care who agrees, especially Todd Todd Todd lol
Well, at least with the Bears having the #1 pick we know they will not take a QB. Question is if they trade that pick. Not sure how anxious teams will be to give up multiple picks to move up. The qbs in this draft are really good but no generational talent (at least that appears to be the case).
Would love to see Stroud fall a bit to get with a club that knows how to develop a QB
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I think this is really what separates OSU from scum. Both of their coaches should be fired for their behavior. But we see how that went with Jujaun Coward. We all know that they aren’t classy enough to do something like fire their coaches.
NCAA should check with the departed players from the 2020 team to get their take if they had enough players to play that game against OSU. There may have been a bigger lie in that case.
I'd agree that the lie / coverup is worse than the crime but in todays world the NCAA has NO power and will go down looking stupid in this event. Anybody remember the scandal at UNC with the academics? They basically did the same thing and told the NCAA to fuck off and the NCAA cowered back into the pit of despair and left them alone.
Not a good look for them to go after such silly things when we have NIL becoming literally buying recruits, schools like USC tampering with players not even in the portal, etc.
Tressel ball was one hell of a good run. Played in 3 national title games. Won 1. So far Day. 1-4 in playoffs but 2 games were lost at the last play of the game. Glad to be a Buckeye.
Jim Bollman's Offensive Line Won a National Championship at Ohio State and beat Ohio State twice while he was at Michigan State and made the CFP if you remember right?
Am I the youth in this exchange? I'll take it. Do my elders still have calendars thumbtacked to the wall? Flip back a few months.
The ESPN article is March 8th of 2011. The Cleveland.com article is a response to what's in that article, posted March 25th, 2011
From my recollection, I don't remember seeing an explanation on why it still fell on the coach if the emails were forwarded. It's always been an open item in my mind.
The thought of having both JSN and Harrison on the same field at the same time is absolutely frightening. Georgia would have had to score 29 points in the last six minutes to win! Which they would have.
I'm still pissed.
And as much as it makes me want to be eaten alive by zombies to say something complimentary about Harbaugh, he and Michigan doesn't even deserve a slap on the wrist.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
Good to see Director Smith being relevant again after the tattoo fiasco. Welcome back!
— Coach Harbaugh (@CoachJim4UM) March 23, 2016
Screw that guy. A lie is a lie, and karma is a bitch.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
BB I have no idea why anyone would dv you for that. Thank the gods Tressel fell on the sword and the investigation didn’t go beyond him. If not for him we may have got the dreaded “Institutional control” violation. I would bet the house that Coach Tressel,always the diligent,indeed let the AD and President know what was going on “always”.
As far as ttun, the worst offense imo is hiding nfl level coaches as analysts and knowingly allowing them to coach on the sidelines during games is a definite advantage imo. Should they be treated harshly? I expect them to get at least at the minimum punishment along the lines we received for the Micah Parsons debacle. I gotta admit it helped me get over the realization that we had that game won and blew it like we did. Harbaugh getting caught with recruiting violations, as minor as they are it’s still knowingly cheating. Never run your mouth about transgressions by others or disrespect your opponents prior to the games.ttun got a taste for both after accusing Day of recruiting indiscretions and their QB saying “if TCU brings their 3-3-5 we’ll show them what BIG 10 football is all about” then he has the audacity after throwing 2 pick sixes, throws a tantrum and leaves his teammates @ the post game presser to answer the questions alone. Like their fans and media, they never gave TCU enough respect to prepare properly. Just my opinion.
With 2 freshman starting in the backcourt you are going to have games like this. Road games are tough in the BIG.
That is an ESPN headline if there ever was one. I remember when I still was on ESPN's college football pages all day on Saturdays. The headline after Carlos Hyde feasted on Illinois was "Ohio State Escapes 60-35" On the same page it said "Baylor Rolled 62-31", but I don't remember the exact Baylor score. And some didn't think the coverage against Ohio was slanted.
I love the ESPN spin when OSU and Alabama struggled on the same Saturday during the Urban years. OSU wasn't very good because the came back late to win by over 10 points at home while Alabama score in the last seconds to a lesser opponent at home and they said they showed the heart of a real champion. Those two assessments were minutes apart on the same show.
Yes, it was criminal. But that was over a decade ago. The NCAA's time is over, so we can talk about Harbaugh's violations as they are: Nonsense.
It is nonsense. We all know it. But, after being one of the last schools to get tarred and feathered by the media and screwed over by the NCAA and seeing nothing happen to:
Miami - Nevin Shapiro - so many violations, including paying for an abortion for a player
I am sure there are other examples, and you can argue that some things were outside of the NCAA's purview. I can appreciate the take that the NCAA is the problem and no one should be punished, but I fall on the other end. I am fine to see any other program that lies to the NCAA get dragged and tarnished. All I ever hear about Tat-gate is that "Tressel lied" and that was what the punishment was for. OK then. Harbaugh lied. It was over agreeably stupid things, but he lied to the NCAA. May he be rode out on a rail with a show-cause that the NFL agrees to enforce and may they vacate wins and have a bowl ban. They have no sympathy from me . . . no "Michigan Men" came to our defense.
All that said, may the NCAA burn to the ground.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
Yeah I think that’s a pretty big statement. Urban despite his flaws is one of the best to ever walk a sideline. Tress was great and consistent but Meyer is the better coach.
Meyer wasn't the better coach, not even close. Meyer was better at winning football games. Tressel was better at molding men into good people. Tressel was better at teaching right from wrong and doing things the right way. Meyer cared about winning, Tressel cared about players.
Your absolutely right there is more to life than a game. That's why Father's should raise their sons to be good men and we hire football coaches to coach football. I have raised 3 good sons into men and I never asked a sports coach to do it for me.
Teaching right from wrong? Doing things the right way?
As in…don’t lie and conceal the (petty) wrongdoings of others?
Of course, it was stupid. Then and now. And yet, even I knew: the coverup is always—always—worse than the crime. Kind of like the way the refs never see the initial hit, they only see the retaliation, and that’s the one that’s flagged.
And Tressel’s supposed to be the paragon of virtue; the role model; the keeper of the flame. He didn’t know any better? Not buying it. He’s no saint.
How would our offense have performed without MHJ for the entire game instead of just the 4th quarter vs Georgia. That was the impact of losing Ginn after he returned the opening kick for a TD in 2006.
Our entire offensive approach changed while allowing the defense to be significantly more aggressive. Maybe it doesn't change the final outcome (that DL was nasty) but it levels the playing field some. 12/31/2022 maybe have been an uglier result without the first 3 quarters of MHJ - he was single handedly shredding their defense until he was concussed on an ill-advised lame duck to the endzone.
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Love Tress then and love Tress now. A glorified garage sell is all it was. What a joke and hypocrite the NCAA has become.
Tressel for President, AD, Defensive Coordinator or Special Teams coach. Get this man to dot the i this season.
With the way that slick Jimmy publicly accused Day of cheating I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason the NCAA conducted the investigation, looking for anything to pin on them. With that said I hope they throw the book at him.
You honestly think the NCAA might’ve gone after Harbaugh as some sort of revenge plot to get back at him for what he said about Day? That’s crazy. But I’d love to know where the NCAA got its information on those Level II violations that led to Harbaugh lying.
the mighty Michigan Wolverines, the program that does things the right way at all turns, are in the NCAA’s crosshair
I don’t understand how Michigan keeps getting propped up as this holier-than-thou paragon of virtue given all the shit that's hit the fan from the Brendan Gibbons rape coverup to Juwan Howard assaulting an opposing coach to Bo Schembechler turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to accusations of sexual abuse by a University of Michigan physician to now this and all the other shit (what am I missing?).
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
You think Harbaugh accusing Day of doing something wrong somehow forced the NCAA’s hand and they didn’t appreciate it so they’ve got a vendetta against him? You’re still crazy.
Given all the allegations of player tampering we’ve heard lately, including coaches making accusations but not naming anyone, maybe the NCAA should be rewarding whistleblowers for speaking up instead of (in your mind) punishing them.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
yes making a public comment about cheating in front of the media certainly forced the NCAA to respond. Crazier than a Level 1 Violation for buying a kid a cheese burger??? I don’t know the reason why they went after Jimmy but That sounds to me like somebody has an Ax to grind. Nothing TTUN did warranted an investigation let alone a list of serious violations in todays CFP landscape. Not going to argue with you about what the NCAA should do but when have they ever shown signs of being ethical
The tale of two Jim’s thing is a really bad take, Chase. It really is.
-Federal Court ruled that the NCAA had to allow NIL and couldn’t do anything to oversee it. You can’t blame them for a devious on forced on them by a court of law.
-transfer portal “free agency” is and will continue to be a huge overreaction and over simplification. The SEC encouraged relaxing the transfer portal rules so they could continue to oversign recruiting classes.
- you legitimized the enemy and automatically assume their violation and JT’s tattoo bullshit were equal. What if Harbaugh’s level 1 violation was a rape case? Failed steroid test? Academically ineligible players starting games? What if he lied about Michigan’s sexual predator doctor? Or staff bullying? Or maybe his WR’s coach’s ex wife came running into practices and started acting the fool?
Point being, if you’re posting based off emotion, and no actual critical analysis, all you’re really doing is poisoning the narrative. The sky is not always falling, but when it fills a skully… and we wonder why a portion of our fan base behaves so negatively and spout false narratives; they’re being provided by guys like you and Stephen A Smith’s and Skip Bayless’ of the world.
This is the 11W Skull Session, for Monday morning, not a court of law. There's a lot no one knows yet, so any speculation that puts TTUN and its titular football program head in a bad light is welcome on this dreary, overcast Winter's day. I'm sure this will be adjusted as the facts, such as they are, will come to light. For now, enjoy the shaden-"fraud" that is Harbaugh.
Jim Tressel will always hold a special place in the heart of my football fandom. I still think he did what he thought was best to protect his players and I think most, if not all, coaches would do that.
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Protect his players from what, exactly? I never understood that. Did he think there were witches coming for them? Criminals coming to kill them? Hippies? What?
And the University didn’t have any resources that could have been marshaled to protect their star football players? Puhleeze.
This Buckeye Mens Hoops team has become unwatchable. These kids deserve better!!!!
Once January rolls around you can pencil in four or five losses. Holtmann never has his teams ready for Big Ten play. This has been the same old song and dance for the last six years. We shouldn’t be surprised at this point. I know I’m not. This team doesn’t know how to close games.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
it's very funny how everyone hates the NCAA thinks they're worthless wishes they would disappear from existence etc. etc. then expect them to do something about the problems that exist in college football....make up your mind people ...it's like the bums that don't work and hate the tax paying working people but then take their money for welfare and all the other benny's they receive from hardworking people ...fjb...
Bums as you like to call them are on the street because they can’t take care of themselves not because they don’t want to do anything. Most if not all are victims of trauma inflicted by others. They should be supported in a civilized culture not excluded and shamed.
Tress was a good guy. I’ve met him once, doesn’t make us Besties or me an expert. But I’d let that guy baby sit my grandkids any day of the week. There are a lot of coaches I wouldn’t…..Tattoo gate was total BS along with the NCAA. ANOTHER THING! WHY DIDNT STROUD GET A FIRST DOWN WHEN HE REACHED THE BALL OVER THE LINE BEFORE STEPPING OUT OF BOUNDS! Getting me all worked up…..
To me the fact that somehow OSU and USC ultimately had stiffer penalties than PSU will NEVER make sense. OSU and USC still have their wins vacated, while PSU had theirs restored. What? And if we're going to really talk about TTUN, we must talk about the DECADES of sexual abuse players, faculty, and likely children suffered at the hands of the team doctor. They covered that up for DECADES. He was also the Harbaugh family doctor, though Jimmy claims nothing "untoward" ever happened to him or his family. Yeah right. And to be clear, it was an OPEN SECRET as coaches would tease players that if they didn't "do right" they'd send them to the doctor for a "check up." they all knew about it yet did nothing. How TTUN even has a program after all that, and seeing how many of the players that were sexually abused (some being made to provide "sperm samples" to check for injuries that the doctor *ahem* "helped" them extract) have suffered is disgusting. And for my part, Harbaugh SHOULD be punished if he violated rules and/or lied about them. Let the University decide how to deal with him. He broke the rules and he should suffer the consequences. Like Tressel. Finally, on JSN, taking my "scarlet and gray lenses" off for a moment, you have to be damn near crazy to burn a 1st round draft pick on a WR that sat out the better part of an entire year due to injury. Crazy. There are far too many good, proven, durable WR's that come out of college each season to take the risk on him. I don't know who is advising him (Jim Brown?) but they did him no favors. I want every Buckeye leaving OSU to be a 1st rounder, and dominate in the NFL, but this is just madness. JSN should have played in the Peach Bowl and showed he's healthy and the best WR in the country. End of story. He did not, and he will suffer the consequences in a few months. He should've returned for another season at OSU and demonstrated his dominance and leave no doubt. But what do I know.
Indeed, but I think the university that patented "THE" should fight a little harder for their legacy. Those wins meant something to the players, coaches, and fans. It's still a black mark on our program.
Penn State did something that Ohio State did not do...threaten to sue the NCAA. If Ohio State threatens legal action against the NCAA if the wins aren't reinstated, we would have them again very quickly.
The law suits were to prevent the multi-million dollar fines from being paid from state public funds to the NCAA. We weren't fined, so what's the point of the suit, other than to clean up our record books? Is that really a good use of the judicial system? Do you want to sit on that jury for however long that lasts?
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Yeah the Bengals sure were crazy for drafting Ja’Mar Chase (yeah it was due to COVID rather than injury but he still sat out the year).
If you would prefer an injury example, albeit at a different position, I doubt the Niners are regretting drafting Bosa despite him sitting out almost the entire year due to injury.
If the talent is there teams will draft them regardless if they say out the previous year, whatever the reason. Heck the cowboys drafted Jaylen Smith in the 1st round in 2016 despite a possible career threatening injury.
Chase was the 2019 Biletnikoff winner, and was lights out for LSU all season and in their championship run with Burrow. To compare him to JSN is, well, being a homer and I can dig that. But you bringing up Chase DOES present an interesting topic in that he chose to sit out the COVID year not because he was afraid to play due to the virus but because he wanted to "focus on getting ready for his NFL career." I'm hoping that Super Marv doesn't pull the same thing, but would anyone doubt he'd be a first rounder after sitting out next season? Absolutely not. Bosa had the benefit of having an older brother ALSO with freakish abilities already in the NFL so I don't think that's a fair comparison. And Jaylen Smith was drafted in the 2nd round, not the 1st, and he didn't sit out a year so I'm not sure why he's being mentioned. Look, I'm sure the football knowers that get paid lots of money to do this speculation will make the right decision, and I hope beyond hope that JSN DOES get that 1st round pick, but I just am not 100% sure if he's the lock that we think he is in the 1st round. I said it before and I'll say it again that I think he should've either played in the semi to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he IS WR1, or just come back for another season and play a healthy year. Not doubting for a millisecond the seriousness of his injury, but if that hammy is enough to keep him out the way it did, who's to say it's not a permanent nagging injury. NFL is ruthless. They DGAF about anything other than onfield production from their players. Maybe a great combine silences all the doubters (those few there may be). But if he opts out of that too, man, it's going to be tough sledding.
To me the fact that somehow OSU and USC ultimately had stiffer penalties than PSU will NEVER make sense.
While what happened was DISGUSTING, the NCAA overstepped their boundaries. It was a legal situation, not an NCAA violation. This did not fall under Lack of institutional control category.
If you haven’t hopped on the Ohio State women’s basketball train yet, do it now. This team is really, really fun. Let's see how far this team takes this puppy.
I think there's one major difference between Harbaugh and Tressel in this instance. The minor violations Tressel lied about were about kids getting money off their NIL, Harbaugh's are about recruiting when it's not allowed, and official, monitored workout limits. Even though the NCAA has given up on NIL, the workout limits are there to protect the players (which is why the NFLPA fights so hard for those every time at their level). In that regard Harbaugh's is worse than Tressel's, which is why it sucks he'll get less of a punishment.
The recruiting violation was him buying them burgers when they were on an unofficial visit and paid their own way to visit, unannounced. Still more than Posey was overpaid for his summer job that upped his suspension by 5 games, but still. Nothingburger on this one (literally).
The non-coach coaching on the field stuff is a bigger deal, and this isn't the first time they've had a practice related infraction under Harbaugh (illegal extra practices a few years ago, also the timeline of the "spirited practice" after canceling the OSU game in 2020 doesn't add up), which means the way he runs practices is intentionally set up to skirt the rules.
Not worried about the alleged "improper coaching over Zoom" stuff because that's stupid.
Of course, Jim Tressel rigged raffles (allegedly) at Youngstown State so you definitely know he's a cesspool of immorality. /s
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my older brother went to YSU, and ran into Coach Tressel as a freshman, and struck up a convo. Coach asked my brother what his major was and my brother explained to him he wanted to be a dentist but was unsure if he would finish bc he had gotten his GF pregnant (now wife ) , and coach Tressel offered him some words of encouragement and fatherhood advice.
fast forward 4 years (he took a bit longer bc my neph was born) and my brother runs into him again commencements , and Coach Tressel without skipping a beat, or without my brother reminding him , asks my brother where he’s going for Dental school (he went to Case Western) and how my nephew is doing.
3 years later I’m a freshman at TOSU watching him take the mic at halftime of a basketball game talking about “making us proud , in the class room , in the community but most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor ..”
without going into a lot of detail, I have a similar story as my daughter played volleyball at YSU--Coach Tressel has a memory that is absolutely uncanny...photographic at the very least
JT is just an all around upstanding and compassionate guy. The way continued to try to help MoClo even after he was gone from the team and there was zero incentive for Tress to do so, and he of course didn’t call attention to it either, confirmed to me what kind of person he is. He wanted to give trouble kids a chance and help them even if it could potentially hurt him professionally. There should be a humanitarian award named after him.
If I were an NFL executive, I would have the same questions that McShay brought up. JSN was never WR1 on his own team. He was a lock to be the first WR off the board before the season. He went from overall top 10 lock to mid/late first. I don't see him going second round because of Hartlines receivers having great reputations in the NFL. Still, I would be surprised, but not shocked if it did happen.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Watching that skycam highlight reel of CJ's performance in the Peach Bowl; and am simply in awe of the accuracy, velocity and placement of those passes. We were so fortunate to have him as QB1 these past 2 seasons, and I know he will make us proud on Sundays.
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I wish there was a resource to measure how right and (mostly) wrong guys like Todd Mcshay and Mel Kiper have been with their draft analysis. I can’t stand either of them.
Its not about being right or wrong and he knows it. Its about generating views.
And he's made a damn good living doing it. I'm not mad at him. I wish I had that gig
bobbyd
Kind of like buckeye scoop. Some people report the news and some try to invent the news. Kiper has been the measuring stick of draft coverage for a long time. He’s not a click bait guy. He says what he says and doesn’t care who agrees, especially Todd Todd Todd lol
Speaking of WR's at Ohio State. (Missed yesterday's Eleven Warriors article until today. Sorry)
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
I hope Cincy takes JSN in round 1...ain't gonna happen but one can dream, right?!? Could you imagine that WR room?
Or the Bears. The bears needing close to 50 other players makes it tough though.
#walkaway
Fields could definitely benefit from reuniting with JSN for sure!
Well, at least with the Bears having the #1 pick we know they will not take a QB. Question is if they trade that pick. Not sure how anxious teams will be to give up multiple picks to move up. The qbs in this draft are really good but no generational talent (at least that appears to be the case).
Would love to see Stroud fall a bit to get with a club that knows how to develop a QB
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I see some Bears fans wanting to take a QB #1 and trade Fields. You never know...
Mike tannenbaum just suggested this on KJM. He’s also one of the worst gm’s ever soooooo…..
I can see the bears trading that pick but I can’t see any generational qbs in this draft. Fields could really use a guy like JSN.
I bleed Scarlet and Gray
I can still see it with all the money they have to get the others. Trade off the 1st pick to get a few others and who knows.
Harbaugh’s is exactly in the same arena as Tressel’s. The violation itself wasn’t a big deal, but to lie and mislead the ncaa is the big deal.
So Harbaugh will be fired then, today?
Apparently not. Did you know you can assault an opposing assistant coach and keep your job? Amazing.
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
I think this is really what separates OSU from scum. Both of their coaches should be fired for their behavior. But we see how that went with Jujaun Coward. We all know that they aren’t classy enough to do something like fire their coaches.
I bleed Scarlet and Gray
No big deal any more. Times have changed.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
NCAA should check with the departed players from the 2020 team to get their take if they had enough players to play that game against OSU. There may have been a bigger lie in that case.
This is true. Tressel's lie was the problem - not the crime. The same would be true for Harbaugh.
I'd agree that the lie / coverup is worse than the crime but in todays world the NCAA has NO power and will go down looking stupid in this event. Anybody remember the scandal at UNC with the academics? They basically did the same thing and told the NCAA to fuck off and the NCAA cowered back into the pit of despair and left them alone.
Not a good look for them to go after such silly things when we have NIL becoming literally buying recruits, schools like USC tampering with players not even in the portal, etc.
We are WRU for sure.
Fire Kevin Warren
Tressel ball was one hell of a good run. Played in 3 national title games. Won 1. So far Day. 1-4 in playoffs but 2 games were lost at the last play of the game. Glad to be a Buckeye.
Won the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and Fiesta Bowl. He had 2 different 10 game winning streaks. All while having Bollman "coach" the offensive line.
#walkaway
Strange 19 became 10 even after changing.
#walkaway
Jim Bollman's Offensive Line Won a National Championship at Ohio State and beat Ohio State twice while he was at Michigan State and made the CFP if you remember right?
So Miami’s pass rush and run defense were limited? Interesting take.
#walkaway
User name definitely checks out
Let’s be clear on what got Jim Tressel in trouble. It was that he didn’t forward an email to his boss.
Cleveland.com's headline says that he did forward the emails.
I can't read the article though, maybe it's behind a paywall.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=6195223
Amazing how the youngsters dont know the truth Here is even the ESPN take.
Am I the youth in this exchange? I'll take it. Do my elders still have calendars thumbtacked to the wall? Flip back a few months.
The ESPN article is March 8th of 2011. The Cleveland.com article is a response to what's in that article, posted March 25th, 2011
From my recollection, I don't remember seeing an explanation on why it still fell on the coach if the emails were forwarded. It's always been an open item in my mind.
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Lets think the event through.
If Jim Tressel would have simply forwarded the first email from Columbus attorney Chris Cicero to Gene Smith, what would have happened next?
He got in trouble because he lied to the NCAA twice and put his signature on a piece of paper confirming the lie
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Again, LOL
If Tressel would have simply forwarded that first email from Chris Cicero, its then out of Tressel's hands at that point.
Let's be clear. It was for lying to the NCAA.
The thought of having both JSN and Harrison on the same field at the same time is absolutely frightening. Georgia would have had to score 29 points in the last six minutes to win! Which they would have.
I'm still pissed.
And as much as it makes me want to be eaten alive by zombies to say something complimentary about Harbaugh, he and Michigan doesn't even deserve a slap on the wrist.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
Screw that guy. A lie is a lie, and karma is a bitch.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Tressel fell on his sword to make the witch hunt stop, ESPN would have had us getting the death penalty.
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BB I have no idea why anyone would dv you for that. Thank the gods Tressel fell on the sword and the investigation didn’t go beyond him. If not for him we may have got the dreaded “Institutional control” violation. I would bet the house that Coach Tressel,always the diligent,indeed let the AD and President know what was going on “always”.
As far as ttun, the worst offense imo is hiding nfl level coaches as analysts and knowingly allowing them to coach on the sidelines during games is a definite advantage imo. Should they be treated harshly? I expect them to get at least at the minimum punishment along the lines we received for the Micah Parsons debacle. I gotta admit it helped me get over the realization that we had that game won and blew it like we did. Harbaugh getting caught with recruiting violations, as minor as they are it’s still knowingly cheating. Never run your mouth about transgressions by others or disrespect your opponents prior to the games.ttun got a taste for both after accusing Day of recruiting indiscretions and their QB saying “if TCU brings their 3-3-5 we’ll show them what BIG 10 football is all about” then he has the audacity after throwing 2 pick sixes, throws a tantrum and leaves his teammates @ the post game presser to answer the questions alone. Like their fans and media, they never gave TCU enough respect to prepare properly. Just my opinion.
With 2 freshman starting in the backcourt you are going to have games like this. Road games are tough in the BIG.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
“Ohio State trailed Illinois 47-47 at halftime”
/checks calculator and believes 47 = 47
That is an ESPN headline if there ever was one. I remember when I still was on ESPN's college football pages all day on Saturdays. The headline after Carlos Hyde feasted on Illinois was "Ohio State Escapes 60-35" On the same page it said "Baylor Rolled 62-31", but I don't remember the exact Baylor score. And some didn't think the coverage against Ohio was slanted.
#walkaway
I love the ESPN spin when OSU and Alabama struggled on the same Saturday during the Urban years. OSU wasn't very good because the came back late to win by over 10 points at home while Alabama score in the last seconds to a lesser opponent at home and they said they showed the heart of a real champion. Those two assessments were minutes apart on the same show.
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A bad day on the water beats a good day at work.
uh oh, no politico...just sayin'
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Yeah, how's this still up? The mods on assignment must be presidential tax auditors as their main job.
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Oh, the irony…
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It is nonsense. We all know it. But, after being one of the last schools to get tarred and feathered by the media and screwed over by the NCAA and seeing nothing happen to:
I am sure there are other examples, and you can argue that some things were outside of the NCAA's purview. I can appreciate the take that the NCAA is the problem and no one should be punished, but I fall on the other end. I am fine to see any other program that lies to the NCAA get dragged and tarnished. All I ever hear about Tat-gate is that "Tressel lied" and that was what the punishment was for. OK then. Harbaugh lied. It was over agreeably stupid things, but he lied to the NCAA. May he be rode out on a rail with a show-cause that the NFL agrees to enforce and may they vacate wins and have a bowl ban. They have no sympathy from me . . . no "Michigan Men" came to our defense.
All that said, may the NCAA burn to the ground.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Don’t forget about I believe it was Odel Beckham handing out “fake” cash to LSU players on National TV.
And Jameis Winston
and Cam Newton
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Chase, it was the biggest comeback in history, not just second half
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I've heard that there was a previous 19-point come-back. Can't find article about it, so must have been pre-interwebs.
Scooter
Those ladies are fun to watch. Good team work and skills along with mental toughness.
Tress was a better coach than Urban and Day.
"and there he is... The Big Kat"
Better? I'd say different. Urban smoked JT in their h2h matchup.
Yeah I think that’s a pretty big statement. Urban despite his flaws is one of the best to ever walk a sideline. Tress was great and consistent but Meyer is the better coach.
Meyer wasn't the better coach, not even close. Meyer was better at winning football games. Tressel was better at molding men into good people. Tressel was better at teaching right from wrong and doing things the right way. Meyer cared about winning, Tressel cared about players.
"Meyer wasn't the better coach, not
even close. Meyer was better at
winning football games."
I, I just, I .....(palm to forehead).
Smh a lot more to life than winning a game.
Your absolutely right there is more to life than a game. That's why Father's should raise their sons to be good men and we hire football coaches to coach football. I have raised 3 good sons into men and I never asked a sports coach to do it for me.
Teaching right from wrong? Doing things the right way?
As in…don’t lie and conceal the (petty) wrongdoings of others?
Of course, it was stupid. Then and now. And yet, even I knew: the coverup is always—always—worse than the crime. Kind of like the way the refs never see the initial hit, they only see the retaliation, and that’s the one that’s flagged.
And Tressel’s supposed to be the paragon of virtue; the role model; the keeper of the flame. He didn’t know any better? Not buying it. He’s no saint.
How would our offense have performed without MHJ for the entire game instead of just the 4th quarter vs Georgia. That was the impact of losing Ginn after he returned the opening kick for a TD in 2006.
Our entire offensive approach changed while allowing the defense to be significantly more aggressive. Maybe it doesn't change the final outcome (that DL was nasty) but it levels the playing field some. 12/31/2022 maybe have been an uglier result without the first 3 quarters of MHJ - he was single handedly shredding their defense until he was concussed on an ill-advised lame duck to the endzone.
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Love Tress then and love Tress now. A glorified garage sell is all it was. What a joke and hypocrite the NCAA has become.
Tressel for President, AD, Defensive Coordinator or Special Teams coach. Get this man to dot the i this season.
osuflash
With the way that slick Jimmy publicly accused Day of cheating I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason the NCAA conducted the investigation, looking for anything to pin on them. With that said I hope they throw the book at him.
You honestly think the NCAA might’ve gone after Harbaugh as some sort of revenge plot to get back at him for what he said about Day? That’s crazy. But I’d love to know where the NCAA got its information on those Level II violations that led to Harbaugh lying.
I don’t understand how Michigan keeps getting propped up as this holier-than-thou paragon of virtue given all the shit that's hit the fan from the Brendan Gibbons rape coverup to Juwan Howard assaulting an opposing coach to Bo Schembechler turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to accusations of sexual abuse by a University of Michigan physician to now this and all the other shit (what am I missing?).
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Yes, I think they came after him for trying to force their hand. People don’t like that.
You think Harbaugh accusing Day of doing something wrong somehow forced the NCAA’s hand and they didn’t appreciate it so they’ve got a vendetta against him? You’re still crazy.
Given all the allegations of player tampering we’ve heard lately, including coaches making accusations but not naming anyone, maybe the NCAA should be rewarding whistleblowers for speaking up instead of (in your mind) punishing them.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
yes making a public comment about cheating in front of the media certainly forced the NCAA to respond. Crazier than a Level 1 Violation for buying a kid a cheese burger??? I don’t know the reason why they went after Jimmy but That sounds to me like somebody has an Ax to grind. Nothing TTUN did warranted an investigation let alone a list of serious violations in todays CFP landscape. Not going to argue with you about what the NCAA should do but when have they ever shown signs of being ethical
They have a very good PR department.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Given how many alums have prominent jobs in media, shouldn't be that surprising.
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The tale of two Jim’s thing is a really bad take, Chase. It really is.
-Federal Court ruled that the NCAA had to allow NIL and couldn’t do anything to oversee it. You can’t blame them for a devious on forced on them by a court of law.
-transfer portal “free agency” is and will continue to be a huge overreaction and over simplification. The SEC encouraged relaxing the transfer portal rules so they could continue to oversign recruiting classes.
- you legitimized the enemy and automatically assume their violation and JT’s tattoo bullshit were equal. What if Harbaugh’s level 1 violation was a rape case? Failed steroid test? Academically ineligible players starting games? What if he lied about Michigan’s sexual predator doctor? Or staff bullying? Or maybe his WR’s coach’s ex wife came running into practices and started acting the fool?
Point being, if you’re posting based off emotion, and no actual critical analysis, all you’re really doing is poisoning the narrative. The sky is not always falling, but when it fills a skully… and we wonder why a portion of our fan base behaves so negatively and spout false narratives; they’re being provided by guys like you and Stephen A Smith’s and Skip Bayless’ of the world.
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This is the 11W Skull Session, for Monday morning, not a court of law. There's a lot no one knows yet, so any speculation that puts TTUN and its titular football program head in a bad light is welcome on this dreary, overcast Winter's day. I'm sure this will be adjusted as the facts, such as they are, will come to light. For now, enjoy the shaden-"fraud" that is Harbaugh.
Jim Tressel will always hold a special place in the heart of my football fandom. I still think he did what he thought was best to protect his players and I think most, if not all, coaches would do that.
The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!
Protect his players from what, exactly? I never understood that. Did he think there were witches coming for them? Criminals coming to kill them? Hippies? What?
And the University didn’t have any resources that could have been marshaled to protect their star football players? Puhleeze.
If a rule is on the books and you break the rule, you pay the price. It doesn’t matter if you agree with the rule.
Hmm, is that really how it works? Seems we have plenty of examples going around that prove that statement false.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I didn’t say it works. Every kindergartner is taught this very simple concept.
This Buckeye Mens Hoops team has become unwatchable. These kids deserve better!!!!
Indenting someone else’s content is only half of it. You also need to credit the source, in this case, Ryan Stano of scarletandgame.com
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
LOL My accountant is back. Thanks!
Do you want this bibliography in MLA format? It’s a message board chat not a graduate thesis.
You might want to take a few minutes to familiarize yourself with 11W’s commenting policy:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Nobody is forcing you to watch them.
it's very funny how everyone hates the NCAA thinks they're worthless wishes they would disappear from existence etc. etc. then expect them to do something about the problems that exist in college football....make up your mind people ...it's like the bums that don't work and hate the tax paying working people but then take their money for welfare and all the other benny's they receive from hardworking people ...fjb...
Bums as you like to call them are on the street because they can’t take care of themselves not because they don’t want to do anything. Most if not all are victims of trauma inflicted by others. They should be supported in a civilized culture not excluded and shamed.
Tress was a good guy. I’ve met him once, doesn’t make us Besties or me an expert. But I’d let that guy baby sit my grandkids any day of the week. There are a lot of coaches I wouldn’t…..Tattoo gate was total BS along with the NCAA. ANOTHER THING! WHY DIDNT STROUD GET A FIRST DOWN WHEN HE REACHED THE BALL OVER THE LINE BEFORE STEPPING OUT OF BOUNDS! Getting me all worked up…..
To me the fact that somehow OSU and USC ultimately had stiffer penalties than PSU will NEVER make sense. OSU and USC still have their wins vacated, while PSU had theirs restored. What? And if we're going to really talk about TTUN, we must talk about the DECADES of sexual abuse players, faculty, and likely children suffered at the hands of the team doctor. They covered that up for DECADES. He was also the Harbaugh family doctor, though Jimmy claims nothing "untoward" ever happened to him or his family. Yeah right. And to be clear, it was an OPEN SECRET as coaches would tease players that if they didn't "do right" they'd send them to the doctor for a "check up." they all knew about it yet did nothing. How TTUN even has a program after all that, and seeing how many of the players that were sexually abused (some being made to provide "sperm samples" to check for injuries that the doctor *ahem* "helped" them extract) have suffered is disgusting. And for my part, Harbaugh SHOULD be punished if he violated rules and/or lied about them. Let the University decide how to deal with him. He broke the rules and he should suffer the consequences. Like Tressel. Finally, on JSN, taking my "scarlet and gray lenses" off for a moment, you have to be damn near crazy to burn a 1st round draft pick on a WR that sat out the better part of an entire year due to injury. Crazy. There are far too many good, proven, durable WR's that come out of college each season to take the risk on him. I don't know who is advising him (Jim Brown?) but they did him no favors. I want every Buckeye leaving OSU to be a 1st rounder, and dominate in the NFL, but this is just madness. JSN should have played in the Peach Bowl and showed he's healthy and the best WR in the country. End of story. He did not, and he will suffer the consequences in a few months. He should've returned for another season at OSU and demonstrated his dominance and leave no doubt. But what do I know.
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Ultimately it became a matter of legal interpretation as to what the NCAA has authority over. And that they have no balls.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Indeed, but I think the university that patented "THE" should fight a little harder for their legacy. Those wins meant something to the players, coaches, and fans. It's still a black mark on our program.
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Penn State did something that Ohio State did not do...threaten to sue the NCAA. If Ohio State threatens legal action against the NCAA if the wins aren't reinstated, we would have them again very quickly.
The law suits were to prevent the multi-million dollar fines from being paid from state public funds to the NCAA. We weren't fined, so what's the point of the suit, other than to clean up our record books? Is that really a good use of the judicial system? Do you want to sit on that jury for however long that lasts?
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There wouldn’t be a trial. The NCAA would fold and okay the reinstatement of the wins. The threat of legal action is all that is needed.
Yeah the Bengals sure were crazy for drafting Ja’Mar Chase (yeah it was due to COVID rather than injury but he still sat out the year).
If you would prefer an injury example, albeit at a different position, I doubt the Niners are regretting drafting Bosa despite him sitting out almost the entire year due to injury.
If the talent is there teams will draft them regardless if they say out the previous year, whatever the reason. Heck the cowboys drafted Jaylen Smith in the 1st round in 2016 despite a possible career threatening injury.
Chase was the 2019 Biletnikoff winner, and was lights out for LSU all season and in their championship run with Burrow. To compare him to JSN is, well, being a homer and I can dig that. But you bringing up Chase DOES present an interesting topic in that he chose to sit out the COVID year not because he was afraid to play due to the virus but because he wanted to "focus on getting ready for his NFL career." I'm hoping that Super Marv doesn't pull the same thing, but would anyone doubt he'd be a first rounder after sitting out next season? Absolutely not. Bosa had the benefit of having an older brother ALSO with freakish abilities already in the NFL so I don't think that's a fair comparison. And Jaylen Smith was drafted in the 2nd round, not the 1st, and he didn't sit out a year so I'm not sure why he's being mentioned. Look, I'm sure the football knowers that get paid lots of money to do this speculation will make the right decision, and I hope beyond hope that JSN DOES get that 1st round pick, but I just am not 100% sure if he's the lock that we think he is in the 1st round. I said it before and I'll say it again that I think he should've either played in the semi to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he IS WR1, or just come back for another season and play a healthy year. Not doubting for a millisecond the seriousness of his injury, but if that hammy is enough to keep him out the way it did, who's to say it's not a permanent nagging injury. NFL is ruthless. They DGAF about anything other than onfield production from their players. Maybe a great combine silences all the doubters (those few there may be). But if he opts out of that too, man, it's going to be tough sledding.
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While what happened was DISGUSTING, the NCAA overstepped their boundaries. It was a legal situation, not an NCAA violation. This did not fall under Lack of institutional control category.
the grit and determination of the girls' team is unreal--any way some of this can rub off on the guys?
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Are you asking the girls to ruboff the guys? That’s not right.
I think he just wants the guys stimulated.
I noticed no mention of the men's team.
Thank you Jim Knowles for wasting one of the great QB performances by a buckeye qb ever. /s
KY Buckeye
I think there's one major difference between Harbaugh and Tressel in this instance. The minor violations Tressel lied about were about kids getting money off their NIL, Harbaugh's are about recruiting when it's not allowed, and official, monitored workout limits. Even though the NCAA has given up on NIL, the workout limits are there to protect the players (which is why the NFLPA fights so hard for those every time at their level). In that regard Harbaugh's is worse than Tressel's, which is why it sucks he'll get less of a punishment.
One chance is all you need. Jesse Owens
Workout limits? Did UM get in trouble for the same thing under Rich Rod?
Somebody has to start a trend...
The recruiting violation was him buying them burgers when they were on an unofficial visit and paid their own way to visit, unannounced. Still more than Posey was overpaid for his summer job that upped his suspension by 5 games, but still. Nothingburger on this one (literally).
The non-coach coaching on the field stuff is a bigger deal, and this isn't the first time they've had a practice related infraction under Harbaugh (illegal extra practices a few years ago, also the timeline of the "spirited practice" after canceling the OSU game in 2020 doesn't add up), which means the way he runs practices is intentionally set up to skirt the rules.
Not worried about the alleged "improper coaching over Zoom" stuff because that's stupid.
Of course, Jim Tressel rigged raffles (allegedly) at Youngstown State so you definitely know he's a cesspool of immorality. /s
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Actually the OSU guys took valuable collectibles given to them by the school and sold them. Would still be illegal with NIL…
Love Coach Tressel. No one can ever change my mind.
CBus love
The Triple M Syndicate (Michigan Media Mafia) will soon make this story unnoticeably fade away.
Keep your friends close, but your rivals, closer.
BOOM!!!!!
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
These are what I refer too as 6 star booms as they are better than a freshman even if they do have 5 stars.
Lady Buckeyes will need Sheldon back sooner than later. Love the energy with which they play. Great comeback win against a quality opponent.
Go Bucks!
Jim Tressel Story time
my older brother went to YSU, and ran into Coach Tressel as a freshman, and struck up a convo. Coach asked my brother what his major was and my brother explained to him he wanted to be a dentist but was unsure if he would finish bc he had gotten his GF pregnant (now wife ) , and coach Tressel offered him some words of encouragement and fatherhood advice.
fast forward 4 years (he took a bit longer bc my neph was born) and my brother runs into him again commencements , and Coach Tressel without skipping a beat, or without my brother reminding him , asks my brother where he’s going for Dental school (he went to Case Western) and how my nephew is doing.
3 years later I’m a freshman at TOSU watching him take the mic at halftime of a basketball game talking about “making us proud , in the class room , in the community but most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor ..”
my fav TOSU coach ever and personal GOAT
without going into a lot of detail, I have a similar story as my daughter played volleyball at YSU--Coach Tressel has a memory that is absolutely uncanny...photographic at the very least
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
JT is just an all around upstanding and compassionate guy. The way continued to try to help MoClo even after he was gone from the team and there was zero incentive for Tress to do so, and he of course didn’t call attention to it either, confirmed to me what kind of person he is. He wanted to give trouble kids a chance and help them even if it could potentially hurt him professionally. There should be a humanitarian award named after him.
And yet no articles on the ladies BB and 2 articles on the mens BB today.
If I were an NFL executive, I would have the same questions that McShay brought up. JSN was never WR1 on his own team. He was a lock to be the first WR off the board before the season. He went from overall top 10 lock to mid/late first. I don't see him going second round because of Hartlines receivers having great reputations in the NFL. Still, I would be surprised, but not shocked if it did happen.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
He was for one game.
with him being a huge advocate for the women's team, I thought for sure Chase would
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Regarding Cut to the Chase, I’ve always said, it’s better to be pissed off than pissed on.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
That's an old Dad saying lol. Another one my dad used to say, "better to fart and be in shame, then to not and be in pain".
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
NCAA is a joke. When they went after Tressel much worse things were happening all over the college football landscape.
Watching that skycam highlight reel of CJ's performance in the Peach Bowl; and am simply in awe of the accuracy, velocity and placement of those passes. We were so fortunate to have him as QB1 these past 2 seasons, and I know he will make us proud on Sundays.
Go CJ! Go Bucks!
JSN 100% did not play in the playoff game because of the NFL. Duh!!
G Hale
I'm happy for CJ, but why did it take him nearly 2 full seasons to play like he did vs Georgia? Had he played like that vs TTUN, Ohio State wins.
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
Screw Hairball. Hope they make him eat chicken and drink beer.