With the oline being a restructuring project. I assume the qb who can scramble and have the best pocket awareness to start. Accuracy won’t be the main objective with 1st round wr and tight end who can catch anything thrown at them
Looking back at the Michigan, not sure we can claim having a TE who “can catch anything thrown at them”. Also, once MHJ was out of the Peach Bowl it was a game changer. Ohio State has the best collection of WRs in college football, what’s the point in having that if we are more focused on the QB’s scrambling abilities than passing abilities? The QB needs to be mobile, with an occasional run, but arm accuracy with these WRs is more important.
Day is going to continue to run nothing but pass plays where the receivers have to run 20+ yard routes. He doesn’t know how to do anything else other than a bubble screen.
I am a huge McCord fan but Brown is an unknown. Considering they have both spent time in the program leaves me confident either will excel. I want to see who sets the standard and motivates the rest of the team to put in a championship effort this offseason.
Its Downtown Devin Brown, no doubt. I was team McCord. But we cant have a statue at qb. Maybe McCord has changed his game and will surprise us. Maybe he has increased his scrambling and athletic ability. If not, Brown is the man. Assuming he is accurate. And makes good decisions. And doesnt turn the ball over. And knows the offense. If not, I am back to team McCord.
If you want to make the world a better place take a look at what Kevin Warren is doing and do the opposite.
Every team on that list except Michigan will also be breaking in a new QB, either one moving up the roster or a transfer. Same with Georgia, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, and a host of other schools. It’s as if no one wants to give Day credit for Haskins, Fields, and Stroud and everyone is betting against his record for producing great QBs.
UGA lost a boatload of talent from its 2021 team but repeated as national champs. Day & Co have their work cut out for them but it’s interesting given how well Ohio State’s recruited that people are writing them off so quickly, including its own fans.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I guess i don’t consider being way too early ranked between 2 to 6 being “written off” considering we were #5 going into conference championship weekend and made the top four. I think it’s a tribute actually to the consistent recruiting and recent pedigree of QBs and skill players. Miyan and Cade returns plug some holes, and a Matt Jones or Eichenberg return will put a bow on it
I am not trying to diminish coach Day's ability to groom a qb. I simply stated that PSU has what appears to be a very good qb now. I believe they're going to be a balanced, tough team. I don't like it, just see it coming. More importantly, our qb's are more than qualified so no panic there.
Penn State does play in Columbus so that helps us. But they have michigan at home so I'm predicting they beat ttun next season. Just because I see another team improving doesn't mean I'm putting down our Buckeyes.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
PSU being tough and balanced isn’t exactly a new thing. I see their offense being a little better and maybe even a little more explosive but their defense is losing some key guys like everyone does. It’s always a tough game no matter what but Allar isn’t a can’t miss guy. He’s still mostly potential.
Agree Bull but he did look good in a big game against a very good team. Obviously, I'm not a fan but I see them being more of a threat next season. But I've been wrong before so there's that to consider. Predicting is fun too.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
It's not unreasonable to assume Allar will be pretty good, but that is some pretty amazing shade to throw on the OSU QB room by comparison given than an OSU QB has won Big Ten OPOY 7/10 years and the last 5 in a row. Allar wasn't even a priority recruit for OSU.
"UGA lost a boatload of talent from its 2021 team but repeated as national champs. Day & Co have their work cut out for them but it’s interesting given how well Ohio State’s recruited that people are writing them off so quickly, including its own fans."
Probably the same fans that KNEW Ohio State was going to get crushed in the Peach Bowl.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
This schedule sets up pretty nicely. If we can find a tackle in the portal we should be very dangerous on offense with a healthy RB room. The teams we physically overmatch. We are just gonna run the ball all day.
I'm not sure what to think about our offensive line. What the stats say doesn't exactly line up with what my eyes are telling me. I thought the OL did very well against Georgia, but for the past few years we've struggled running the ball when it was required. It also seems that we can't land that superstar lineman. Am I just spoiled? Did that stretch of fantastic lineman my entire life just ruin me, expectation wise?
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
The Buckeyes missed out on a good one when Blake Miller from Northern Ohio left the state to play tackle for Clemson. True Freshman; he started every single game for them this past season and did very well.
Great ones have been moving on for decades. That only happens when great ones are continuously coming in. It’s great to be a buckeye and it’s been that way for a long long time.
Prepare for some "evening out" in college football. The NIL and portal effect is happening quickly, and parity is coming. The Cali schools coming to the B1G and the 12 team playoff will really affect OSU and michigan IMO. Talent will be spread out NFL style and 2 (or 3) loss seasons won't always keep you out of the playoff.
At least this past season we got a taste of what will happen in the future. We lost to TTUN, didn't win the B1G title and still had a chance to win a national championship. Who saw this coming? Brave new CFB world folks. Oh well, Go Buckeyes!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Maybe, but “evening out” has not been the story of NIL and the portal thus far. Teams like Bama and Georgia over sign, very the best find spots, those who don’t cut it get released. They literally scoop up the top talent, vet them, and get rid of those who don’t pan out. The rich get richer. The best players at smaller schools are entering the portal to go to national championship contenders. The rich get richer. Small schools do not have the NIL resources that the top schools have. The rich get richer.
Not saying parity can’t happen with some rules and regulations but this Wild West system has almost exclusively benefited the big boys.
You're correct about the big boys scooping up a lot of talent but many are leaving to other teams for playing time and dollars. They can't keep them all and a lot of the lesser talented teams will benefit from the portal action IMO. I believe we will see these mid level teams start to get much better using the portal. As a college football fan, it's going to be fun and exciting to watch.
TCU just played for the national title. They got bombed but they made it. Look for more of that in the future 12 team playoff. The portal effect will be huge IMO.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Sunny, do you not think we are one of the "big boys"? The three "big boys" are Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State and there's been a bit of shuffling around for the fourth, which won't mean much after this year. If anything the Peach Bowl reinforced my believe we are top three elite.
USA Today sports....lol
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Sure, we're one of the big boys but I meant the other big boys. And after that Peach Bowl, we got a lot of attention and also got some respect back IMO. I do believe the Dawgs consider us one of the Big Boys for sure. They know how close they came to losing.
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“Little to no experience at the collegiate level” is not a small thing. Day can be criticized for the way he’s managed the back ups in game situations.
“Little to no experience at the collegiate level” is not a small thing. Day can be criticized for the way he’s managed the back ups in game situations.
— Hondo, circa January 2021
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Re: No Respect for Kyle and Devin -- I'm thinking the laymen don't know either QBs talents, and just saw the "garbage time" run plays to close out games.
It's a big mistake for the laymen to think that way, but can somewhat understand it, as they don't know any better. I can remember, with Tressel and Meyer, the backups used to be allowed to air it out a little. I haven't seen that with Day's backup QBs, however.
Should be exciting times for any of the QBs here this Spring and onward.
I’m not surprised about guys that haven’t been seen much being questioned a little. However, the world saw bamas backup qb Jalen Milroe play horribly and haven’t seen the other guys competing with him yet they have no worries for some reason with that.
CJ Never threw a pass before his first collegiate start and we all see how that played out. Braxton to JT, JT to Dwayne, Dwayne to Justin, Justin to CJ. How concerned should we be?
CJ Never threw a pass before his first collegiate start and we all see how that played out. Braxton to JT, JT to Dwayne, Dwayne to Justin, Justin to CJ. How concerned should we be?
only the Chicken Little's on this site are concerned--In Day We Trust
That's a good point AA but I would have liked to see Day play more offense with McCord instead of just handing it off. I think after the Schiano blow up he was afraid of being accused of piling on.
A QB to replace? Several O linemen going pro? New starters in the secondary? Sounds like the type of spring game I like to attend. If I’m evil coach day, I make the spring game relatively “live”. Let’s see who’s got some dog in them. 2 hand touch isn’t gonna get you a starting job. For QBs let’s see who’s ready to lead. Real reps. Real competition. It’s go time.
As disappointing as the end of this past season was, off seasons like this are my favorite because of the amount of reloading that is expected. Excited for these young men.
Exactly! The best part of following recruiting is seeing these recruits actually play at some point so why is this a bad thing? It’s not! It’s a great part of football when you see young guys develop into stars. They gotta play to develop.
The Avery Henry situation is heart breaking. The kid worked his ass off to get to Ohio State I hope and pray that he can beat this cancer. Qb should be the least of our worries. Missing on 4 Offensive Lineman in the portal has me a touch concerned. Do we lack the numbers in the O line room or are some guys underperforming? In the past we reloaded on the offensive line. I guess it could be with the portal if there are better guys available you have to take a shot cause everyone else is.
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but why has there been no discussion about the elephant in the room: lower extremity injuries to our offensive stars this past season? In my mind, that’s the real story for 2020.
THE replaced turf in the shoe last summer, apparently with the same turf the NFLPA is lobbying strongly against.
Somebody please throw me a line! I’ve been screaming this since about the Indiana game, but it’s getting no traction.
Tell me, when was the last time so many top producers went down in one season, with lower extremity injuries?
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We need a breakdown of the actual injuries. Where and when did they happen? Was it non contact or like MH and JSN, during contact? The details matter when blaming one thing like a new turf. I don’t know all the details on each injury but Atleast some were from contact and turf critics are usually based on non contact injuries occurring.
Thinking out loud, seems to me with the Scott's Company in Ohio State's backyard, they should be able to make a deal to put beautiful real green grass in the Shoe and maintain it. Also think there could be some sort of NIL tie in as well.
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it is all going to come down to the oline and the secondary next year. the oline will need to be able to protect the new qb and open holes in the run game while the secondary needs to at least have a pulse.
Preseason rankings mean absolutely nothing. But when you have to replace a quarterback, most of the offensive line, and have a secondary that had issues this year, I'm fine with taking a wait and see approach.
The more interaction, the more likely they are to put butts in seats at Ohio Stadium in the fall.
How about OSU get dollars in NIL? 0-4 in OT in the portal. Concerning. Hopefully dudes are ready to step-up and dominate, but considering the staff is hitting the portal has me concerned about readiness of the next man up. Fingers, legs, toes, eyes crossed.
It’s not alarming at all actually. It’s business as usual. Day uses the portal when the incumbent starter has moved on and the expected ones up next are inexperienced. They offered portal offensive tackles last offseason even tho we had PJJ and Dawand up next because PJJ hadn’t played left tackle for them yet. We have too many unknowns not to look in the portal but even if a can’t miss 5 star was up next they’d still be looking in the portal.
Brown, a former four-star from Draper, Utah, appeared in two contests but did not attempt a pass.
I'm for sportsmanship, however, it's a coach's job to get players ready to play. The best way to do that is to play the game...to the player's fullest abilities. I'm not saying Devin should have been bombing it 50 yards downfield, but he should have had been given some passing opportunities. Hell one of those bubble screens OSU loves would have been good.
I wish we would start using the end of blowouts to get back-ups some real playing time. The hell with being worried about running up the score. Both McCord and Brown could have benefitted greatly from more playing time and there were plenty of opportunities to do that.
And, yes, while coaching, roster makeup, team performance, etc., all matter when it comes to recruiting, a program's social media presence is also a big deal to high school prospects. Recruits want to be seen, and they want to be known.
For many in their youth, they will see the big picture but decide his mom's car payment is past due. And I get it.
23.7 million and yet cannot compete with NIL with others that have far less. Unless Smith and compliance change their approach to compete with the others that 23.7 is going to be one unhappy bunch. Need to compete on level playing field if going to continue to be elite.
Thanks for the update on Avery. I feel more than a bit humbled this morning. I voted in the poll as “panicking a little bit” on the O line. Then I read the column and Chase has an update on one of our O linemen fighting for his life. Perspective helps! God bless you Avery! Go Buckeyes!
But, yeah, let's boost up Penn State for Allar while knocking down Ohio State for McCord and Brown.
@Chase, Pat Forde did exactly what he wanted, got you (and others) to talk about his article two days in a row. It is better for the national media to underrate the Buckeyes than to overrate them, because it gets more clicks and generates more conversation.
Per 247, Drew Allar was rated .9851 and Kyle McCord was rated .9858. Seems pretty even and Kyle is one year older.
Much more concerned about the offensive line than any other position group. Followed by dbacks.
Can't run or throw with defensive linemen and linebackers draped over you. And the most improved defense will not matter if we keep giving up chunk plays because our backend is so bad.
With all the petty stuff we bring up about sports, those stories about guys like Avery going through real world shit remind us that we're rooting for a team playing a game. Many healthy returns for the young man currently being wished upon him.
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Atleast we have depth. What would happen if McCord,Allar or the wisky qb got hurt? No backups. Only concern I have is if whoever wins the starting job will the other transfer?
But, yeah, let's boost up Penn State for Allar while knocking down Ohio State for McCord and Brown. Give me a break. It's time for people to put some respect on McCord and Brown's names.
Come on. You know the difference, and it has very little to do with Allar, McCord, or Brown. It's because Penn St. is replacing Clifford as QB, who is fine, and OSU is replacing CJ, who is a two time Heisman Trophy finalist.
That's odd, you're telling me eSECpn aka eSPIN who notoriously hates Ohio State and the B1G has Ohio State ranked higher in their 'way too early top 25 poll' than other milquetoast outlets like USAToday and Sports Illustrated? I'm feeling disoriented because the forum posters around here have apparently been telling me lies!
Man I already see the drama coming for the 2023 off season. It’s gonna be the McCord vs. Brown camps like the Hatfield’s vs. the McCoy’s on the 11w board for the next nine months. Just like it was last year with the Stroud vs. McCord camps, and the Barrett vs Jones camps before that. I’m telling you this could all be avoided if McCord, a Junior who’s been with the team for three years, has a start, and was the #2 for two years, is just named the starter for next season and that is that. And even if he’s not “named” specifically, he is assumed to be just that. Brown and the others will have their time, but unless there’s some marked difference in level and f gameplay, seniority and experience have to account for something. We have enough drama with the rest of our team, we don’t need it at the most important position: QB. Now, you could take the attitude that McCord wasn’t good enough to beat Stroud, and therefore may not have what it takes, and Brown does, but again, the drama. McCord has always impressed me in his limited action, and his clock is running out. Plus I think he’s “earned” his opportunity with the time he’s had in the program. Again. Avoid the drama and the factioning within the locker room and the fanbase and the punditry.
When CJ started last year he had yet to throw a pass. Seems like he done ok at that position. I have full confidence that whoever is QB1 this year we will be just fine!
My heart says McCord because he deserves it and has a good arm but my brain says Brown because he is more athletic with a good arm. In the end I want Kienholz (which won't happen this year unless there are injuries) because I think he is a better version of JJ McCarthy.
I assume, since it was referenced in the "Cut to the Chase" section ("Extreme weather caused $165 billion in damages last year, NOAA says") that I can offer a brief suggestion about further reading...
Check out the book "The Rightful Place of Science: Disasters & Climate Change" by Roger Pielke Jr. Basically, the science shows a profound correlation between weather and property damage: we're building structures where we shouldn't.
Look, I understand. In two seasons as Ohio State's starter, C.J. Stroud statistically became one of the best quarterbacks in program history and leaves some massive shoes to fill. How-evuh, it appears Myerberg, Forde and other experts haven't done their homework on Kyle McCord.
And, especially, especially, when Myerberg, Forde and others aren't considering the lack of experience at quarterback for other top teams across the sport, namely at Penn State with Drew Allar.
This is an interesting set of mental gymnastics and I think I know what they are getting at. One the one hand both Allar & McCord are almost identically touted recruits, however McCord is replacing a Heisman candidate and Allar is replacing a guy who is by all measures an accomplished QB, but not someone who could carry the team on his own. I think the basic gist is they assume the OSU QB position will be a step back, even if a modest one and only for a season, whereas they see the potential for the PSU QB situation to improve. I do think they are a little star struck with Allar for whatever reason and I'd bet he will go through the normal ups and downs of a first year starter in his second year in college. I think McCord is less likely to experience that based on the talent around him and the fact that he's a year older and has an extra year of knowing the playbook under his belt. I'm not sure how either career will pan out, but if I had to place bets on who will have the better 2023 season I'd bet on McCord. That's my 2 cents.
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The wonder and pain of big time college football. Great players coming in and great players moving on. Our best wishes for Avery, for a 100% recovery
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With the oline being a restructuring project. I assume the qb who can scramble and have the best pocket awareness to start. Accuracy won’t be the main objective with 1st round wr and tight end who can catch anything thrown at them
Looking back at the Michigan, not sure we can claim having a TE who “can catch anything thrown at them”. Also, once MHJ was out of the Peach Bowl it was a game changer. Ohio State has the best collection of WRs in college football, what’s the point in having that if we are more focused on the QB’s scrambling abilities than passing abilities? The QB needs to be mobile, with an occasional run, but arm accuracy with these WRs is more important.
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Day is going to continue to run nothing but pass plays where the receivers have to run 20+ yard routes. He doesn’t know how to do anything else other than a bubble screen.
I am a huge McCord fan but Brown is an unknown. Considering they have both spent time in the program leaves me confident either will excel. I want to see who sets the standard and motivates the rest of the team to put in a championship effort this offseason.
Its Downtown Devin Brown, no doubt. I was team McCord. But we cant have a statue at qb. Maybe McCord has changed his game and will surprise us. Maybe he has increased his scrambling and athletic ability. If not, Brown is the man. Assuming he is accurate. And makes good decisions. And doesnt turn the ball over. And knows the offense. If not, I am back to team McCord.
If you want to make the world a better place take a look at what Kevin Warren is doing and do the opposite.
Obviously McCord. He is much farther along than CJ. Stroud was when he took over.
With the schedule they have, Jim Knowles’ defense is more than enough to keep next year’s team out of the Top 5.
Praying for 100% remission for this big guy!
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Who the Hell DV'd this post?!? I have to imagine that anyone who hates cancer is rooting for Avery!
Because FUCK CANCER! GO AVERY! BEAT CANCER!
Hopefully it was a fat finger.
Class of 2001 - classless since then.
Doesn't look like it. Probably just some angry person mad at the world.
as of now, 3 downvotes for a Buckeye fighting cancer. WTF is wrong with you people?!
Unfortunately, there are some DVers on this site who seem to be mentally off-balance.
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Yep haters gonna hate.
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How does one hate a post that supports someone battling cancer?
The trolls got the reaction they wanted. It's really sad to feel they need that.
And one of the trolls just DV'd you, All in. Wow. I won't have to wait long for mine, I'm sure. Lol.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Cancer is so pervasive it has metasasized into message boards
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Beautiful post, 6266. Keeping Avery and his family in my prayers.
And @Purdue, beginning a challenging three-game mid-season stretch, followed by Penn State in Columbus and @Wisconsin.
The next game is always the most important game of the season.
+1 Tom. Also, I'll probably collect some DV's, but IMO, Penn State is about to be a major player in the B1G. Their qb is the real deal.
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Allar does look really good but Franklin will find a way to screw it up.
Every team on that list except Michigan will also be breaking in a new QB, either one moving up the roster or a transfer. Same with Georgia, Alabama, TCU, UCLA, and a host of other schools. It’s as if no one wants to give Day credit for Haskins, Fields, and Stroud and everyone is betting against his record for producing great QBs.
UGA lost a boatload of talent from its 2021 team but repeated as national champs. Day & Co have their work cut out for them but it’s interesting given how well Ohio State’s recruited that people are writing them off so quickly, including its own fans.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I guess i don’t consider being way too early ranked between 2 to 6 being “written off” considering we were #5 going into conference championship weekend and made the top four. I think it’s a tribute actually to the consistent recruiting and recent pedigree of QBs and skill players. Miyan and Cade returns plug some holes, and a Matt Jones or Eichenberg return will put a bow on it
I am not trying to diminish coach Day's ability to groom a qb. I simply stated that PSU has what appears to be a very good qb now. I believe they're going to be a balanced, tough team. I don't like it, just see it coming. More importantly, our qb's are more than qualified so no panic there.
Penn State does play in Columbus so that helps us. But they have michigan at home so I'm predicting they beat ttun next season. Just because I see another team improving doesn't mean I'm putting down our Buckeyes.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
PSU being tough and balanced isn’t exactly a new thing. I see their offense being a little better and maybe even a little more explosive but their defense is losing some key guys like everyone does. It’s always a tough game no matter what but Allar isn’t a can’t miss guy. He’s still mostly potential.
Agree Bull but he did look good in a big game against a very good team. Obviously, I'm not a fan but I see them being more of a threat next season. But I've been wrong before so there's that to consider. Predicting is fun too.
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Be careful Sunny, you are going to attract the PSU troll anytime now.
Oh no, I didn't think of that. But wth, the more the merrier. Trolls don't bother me much.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
It's not unreasonable to assume Allar will be pretty good, but that is some pretty amazing shade to throw on the OSU QB room by comparison given than an OSU QB has won Big Ten OPOY 7/10 years and the last 5 in a row. Allar wasn't even a priority recruit for OSU.
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"UGA lost a boatload of talent from its 2021 team but repeated as national champs. Day & Co have their work cut out for them but it’s interesting given how well Ohio State’s recruited that people are writing them off so quickly, including its own fans."
Probably the same fans that KNEW Ohio State was going to get crushed in the Peach Bowl.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
This schedule sets up pretty nicely. If we can find a tackle in the portal we should be very dangerous on offense with a healthy RB room. The teams we physically overmatch. We are just gonna run the ball all day.
I'm not sure what to think about our offensive line. What the stats say doesn't exactly line up with what my eyes are telling me. I thought the OL did very well against Georgia, but for the past few years we've struggled running the ball when it was required. It also seems that we can't land that superstar lineman. Am I just spoiled? Did that stretch of fantastic lineman my entire life just ruin me, expectation wise?
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
You think people were complaining about the Oline last year. Wait until next year.
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The Buckeyes missed out on a good one when Blake Miller from Northern Ohio left the state to play tackle for Clemson. True Freshman; he started every single game for them this past season and did very well.
Great ones have been moving on for decades. That only happens when great ones are continuously coming in. It’s great to be a buckeye and it’s been that way for a long long time.
Prepare for some "evening out" in college football. The NIL and portal effect is happening quickly, and parity is coming. The Cali schools coming to the B1G and the 12 team playoff will really affect OSU and michigan IMO. Talent will be spread out NFL style and 2 (or 3) loss seasons won't always keep you out of the playoff.
At least this past season we got a taste of what will happen in the future. We lost to TTUN, didn't win the B1G title and still had a chance to win a national championship. Who saw this coming? Brave new CFB world folks. Oh well, Go Buckeyes!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Maybe, but “evening out” has not been the story of NIL and the portal thus far. Teams like Bama and Georgia over sign, very the best find spots, those who don’t cut it get released. They literally scoop up the top talent, vet them, and get rid of those who don’t pan out. The rich get richer. The best players at smaller schools are entering the portal to go to national championship contenders. The rich get richer. Small schools do not have the NIL resources that the top schools have. The rich get richer.
Not saying parity can’t happen with some rules and regulations but this Wild West system has almost exclusively benefited the big boys.
You're correct about the big boys scooping up a lot of talent but many are leaving to other teams for playing time and dollars. They can't keep them all and a lot of the lesser talented teams will benefit from the portal action IMO. I believe we will see these mid level teams start to get much better using the portal. As a college football fan, it's going to be fun and exciting to watch.
TCU just played for the national title. They got bombed but they made it. Look for more of that in the future 12 team playoff. The portal effect will be huge IMO.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Sunny, do you not think we are one of the "big boys"? The three "big boys" are Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State and there's been a bit of shuffling around for the fourth, which won't mean much after this year. If anything the Peach Bowl reinforced my believe we are top three elite.
USA Today sports....lol
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Sure, we're one of the big boys but I meant the other big boys. And after that Peach Bowl, we got a lot of attention and also got some respect back IMO. I do believe the Dawgs consider us one of the Big Boys for sure. They know how close they came to losing.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
“Little to no experience at the collegiate level” is not a small thing. Day can be criticized for the way he’s managed the back ups in game situations.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I watched Jim Valvano’s speech live. Never in my life have I EVER heard a more inspirational speech.
You can do this, Avery!
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
As long as Vegas has us in Top 4 odds to win the next NC, Im Good!
Yea kinda hard for us to play a disrespect card when Vegas says we should make the NCG
Re: No Respect for Kyle and Devin -- I'm thinking the laymen don't know either QBs talents, and just saw the "garbage time" run plays to close out games.
It's a big mistake for the laymen to think that way, but can somewhat understand it, as they don't know any better. I can remember, with Tressel and Meyer, the backups used to be allowed to air it out a little. I haven't seen that with Day's backup QBs, however.
Should be exciting times for any of the QBs here this Spring and onward.
I’m not surprised about guys that haven’t been seen much being questioned a little. However, the world saw bamas backup qb Jalen Milroe play horribly and haven’t seen the other guys competing with him yet they have no worries for some reason with that.
CJ Never threw a pass before his first collegiate start and we all see how that played out. Braxton to JT, JT to Dwayne, Dwayne to Justin, Justin to CJ. How concerned should we be?
only the Chicken Little's on this site are concerned--In Day We Trust
#QBwhisperer
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
That's a good point AA but I would have liked to see Day play more offense with McCord instead of just handing it off. I think after the Schiano blow up he was afraid of being accused of piling on.
A QB to replace? Several O linemen going pro? New starters in the secondary? Sounds like the type of spring game I like to attend. If I’m evil coach day, I make the spring game relatively “live”. Let’s see who’s got some dog in them. 2 hand touch isn’t gonna get you a starting job. For QBs let’s see who’s ready to lead. Real reps. Real competition. It’s go time.
As disappointing as the end of this past season was, off seasons like this are my favorite because of the amount of reloading that is expected. Excited for these young men.
also, fuck cancer.
OSU ALUM
Exactly! The best part of following recruiting is seeing these recruits actually play at some point so why is this a bad thing? It’s not! It’s a great part of football when you see young guys develop into stars. They gotta play to develop.
I find it exciting that players will be competing for positions. I also say, screw cancer.
The Avery Henry situation is heart breaking. The kid worked his ass off to get to Ohio State I hope and pray that he can beat this cancer. Qb should be the least of our worries. Missing on 4 Offensive Lineman in the portal has me a touch concerned. Do we lack the numbers in the O line room or are some guys underperforming? In the past we reloaded on the offensive line. I guess it could be with the portal if there are better guys available you have to take a shot cause everyone else is.
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist, but why has there been no discussion about the elephant in the room: lower extremity injuries to our offensive stars this past season? In my mind, that’s the real story for 2020.
THE replaced turf in the shoe last summer, apparently with the same turf the NFLPA is lobbying strongly against.
Somebody please throw me a line! I’ve been screaming this since about the Indiana game, but it’s getting no traction.
Tell me, when was the last time so many top producers went down in one season, with lower extremity injuries?
"Y'all got a real purty mouth" - Dabo Swinny • BuckeyeJuggernaut.com
We need a breakdown of the actual injuries. Where and when did they happen? Was it non contact or like MH and JSN, during contact? The details matter when blaming one thing like a new turf. I don’t know all the details on each injury but Atleast some were from contact and turf critics are usually based on non contact injuries occurring.
But that Safelife logo looks good.
Don’t know about Trey, but JSN had his leg bend awkwardly backward on a tackle. That’s just bad luck, not turf.
Thinking out loud, seems to me with the Scott's Company in Ohio State's backyard, they should be able to make a deal to put beautiful real green grass in the Shoe and maintain it. Also think there could be some sort of NIL tie in as well.
Go Bucks!
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So that's what will get OSU a Natty ...social media interaction ....WOW !!
It's better than puffing out your chest about the leather helmet days.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
it is all going to come down to the oline and the secondary next year. the oline will need to be able to protect the new qb and open holes in the run game while the secondary needs to at least have a pulse.
Big B
Preseason rankings mean absolutely nothing. But when you have to replace a quarterback, most of the offensive line, and have a secondary that had issues this year, I'm fine with taking a wait and see approach.
I get joked about by my two sons for liking Matchbox Twenty and Rob Thomas among my vast spectrum of music taste.
Rob and his wife seem to be wonderful people as well and their foundation Sidewalk Angels raises millions for all kinds of animals in need.
How about OSU get dollars in NIL? 0-4 in OT in the portal. Concerning. Hopefully dudes are ready to step-up and dominate, but considering the staff is hitting the portal has me concerned about readiness of the next man up. Fingers, legs, toes, eyes crossed.
Muck Fichigan
Day has said numerous times he doesn’t want to HAVE to use the portal. The fact that they are pushing to get ANY OT at this point is alarming.
It’s not alarming at all actually. It’s business as usual. Day uses the portal when the incumbent starter has moved on and the expected ones up next are inexperienced. They offered portal offensive tackles last offseason even tho we had PJJ and Dawand up next because PJJ hadn’t played left tackle for them yet. We have too many unknowns not to look in the portal but even if a can’t miss 5 star was up next they’d still be looking in the portal.
I'm for sportsmanship, however, it's a coach's job to get players ready to play. The best way to do that is to play the game...to the player's fullest abilities. I'm not saying Devin should have been bombing it 50 yards downfield, but he should have had been given some passing opportunities. Hell one of those bubble screens OSU loves would have been good.
Muck Fichigan
I wish we would start using the end of blowouts to get back-ups some real playing time. The hell with being worried about running up the score. Both McCord and Brown could have benefitted greatly from more playing time and there were plenty of opportunities to do that.
Liking a Facebook Post is great but it wont mean shit unless OSU fans starting showing their support for players through NIL.
For many in their youth, they will see the big picture but decide his mom's car payment is past due. And I get it.
#walkaway
A season of FUF >>>> Fyre Under Fire
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
I'm pretty sure you meant 'Frye', but a stupid comment nonetheless
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
23.7 million and yet cannot compete with NIL with others that have far less. Unless Smith and compliance change their approach to compete with the others that 23.7 is going to be one unhappy bunch. Need to compete on level playing field if going to continue to be elite.
Thanks for the update on Avery. I feel more than a bit humbled this morning. I voted in the poll as “panicking a little bit” on the O line. Then I read the column and Chase has an update on one of our O linemen fighting for his life. Perspective helps! God bless you Avery! Go Buckeyes!
B Buehler
@Chase, Pat Forde did exactly what he wanted, got you (and others) to talk about his article two days in a row. It is better for the national media to underrate the Buckeyes than to overrate them, because it gets more clicks and generates more conversation.
Per 247, Drew Allar was rated .9851 and Kyle McCord was rated .9858. Seems pretty even and Kyle is one year older.
Go Buckeyes!!!
Kyle already fed Super Marv as team mates. I find it hard to believe they don’t have chemistry and timing.
#walkaway
...and I bet they're already throwing together at the Woody
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Much more concerned about the offensive line than any other position group. Followed by dbacks.
Can't run or throw with defensive linemen and linebackers draped over you. And the most improved defense will not matter if we keep giving up chunk plays because our backend is so bad.
With all the petty stuff we bring up about sports, those stories about guys like Avery going through real world shit remind us that we're rooting for a team playing a game. Many healthy returns for the young man currently being wished upon him.
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Atleast we have depth. What would happen if McCord,Allar or the wisky qb got hurt? No backups. Only concern I have is if whoever wins the starting job will the other transfer?
Doug
Come on. You know the difference, and it has very little to do with Allar, McCord, or Brown. It's because Penn St. is replacing Clifford as QB, who is fine, and OSU is replacing CJ, who is a two time Heisman Trophy finalist.
or it might be that the hyperlink got mutzed.
That's odd, you're telling me eSECpn aka eSPIN who notoriously hates Ohio State and the B1G has Ohio State ranked higher in their 'way too early top 25 poll' than other milquetoast outlets like USAToday and Sports Illustrated? I'm feeling disoriented because the forum posters around here have apparently been telling me lies!
Man I already see the drama coming for the 2023 off season. It’s gonna be the McCord vs. Brown camps like the Hatfield’s vs. the McCoy’s on the 11w board for the next nine months. Just like it was last year with the Stroud vs. McCord camps, and the Barrett vs Jones camps before that. I’m telling you this could all be avoided if McCord, a Junior who’s been with the team for three years, has a start, and was the #2 for two years, is just named the starter for next season and that is that. And even if he’s not “named” specifically, he is assumed to be just that. Brown and the others will have their time, but unless there’s some marked difference in level and f gameplay, seniority and experience have to account for something. We have enough drama with the rest of our team, we don’t need it at the most important position: QB. Now, you could take the attitude that McCord wasn’t good enough to beat Stroud, and therefore may not have what it takes, and Brown does, but again, the drama. McCord has always impressed me in his limited action, and his clock is running out. Plus I think he’s “earned” his opportunity with the time he’s had in the program. Again. Avoid the drama and the factioning within the locker room and the fanbase and the punditry.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
When CJ started last year he had yet to throw a pass. Seems like he done ok at that position. I have full confidence that whoever is QB1 this year we will be just fine!
Ironballs
My heart says McCord because he deserves it and has a good arm but my brain says Brown because he is more athletic with a good arm. In the end I want Kienholz (which won't happen this year unless there are injuries) because I think he is a better version of JJ McCarthy.
Keinholz definitely showed out in the High School All-American game. Really impressive stuff.
I assume, since it was referenced in the "Cut to the Chase" section ("Extreme weather caused $165 billion in damages last year, NOAA says") that I can offer a brief suggestion about further reading...
Check out the book "The Rightful Place of Science: Disasters & Climate Change" by Roger Pielke Jr. Basically, the science shows a profound correlation between weather and property damage: we're building structures where we shouldn't.
This is an interesting set of mental gymnastics and I think I know what they are getting at. One the one hand both Allar & McCord are almost identically touted recruits, however McCord is replacing a Heisman candidate and Allar is replacing a guy who is by all measures an accomplished QB, but not someone who could carry the team on his own. I think the basic gist is they assume the OSU QB position will be a step back, even if a modest one and only for a season, whereas they see the potential for the PSU QB situation to improve. I do think they are a little star struck with Allar for whatever reason and I'd bet he will go through the normal ups and downs of a first year starter in his second year in college. I think McCord is less likely to experience that based on the talent around him and the fact that he's a year older and has an extra year of knowing the playbook under his belt. I'm not sure how either career will pan out, but if I had to place bets on who will have the better 2023 season I'd bet on McCord. That's my 2 cents.
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