You're probably right, but I also think he just might truly believe what he said. He's smart and he understands the pull and power of the Buckeye brand. If we're being honest, OSU has under performed relative to expectations especially since Meyer took over. More consistency on the national stage is the logical next step and OSU is the program best equipped to achieve that, as Paul said. But it starts with Day and this program making The Game priority number 1.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
You didn't miss anything. Chop was just saying that he made his grandma proud. I reiterated that he made all of Buckeye Nation proud (not just his g'ma), and then said, "Thank you" for his effort last season.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
It's weird, though, I read he just said the Bucks basically got screwed by the refs on the targeting call, which you can infer to mean the Bucks prolly deserved to win that game.
Look at 2015, 2018, 2019, 2021 and 2022, and think about how one game in each of those seasons knocked the Buckeyes off their path toward winning a national championship.
Add to those 1957, 1961. 1969, 1970, 1973, 1979, 1996, 1998, 2006, 2007, 2012. That is 16 very legit chances to win it all over the past 65 years and we have 3 to show for it - so really - not much has changed. We are the 1990's Atlanta Braves.
Have been a Buckeye fan for decades and the near misses get harder and harder to take.
Thanks a lot 2morrow for the reminders. I remember them from 1969 forward. As far as getting harder to take, I guess I've just gotten used to it. BTW, you forgot the 1976 Rose Bowl fiasco when we had our most pathetic showing in a title game against UCLA. Still in my mind, the most embarrassing Buckeye championship loss ever. LOL on the Braves comparison. We Buckeye fans are obviously a patient fanbase.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
That's understandable 2morrow. There have been more than a few. That Rose Bowl sticks in my mind like the 1973 michigan tie game that cost us one we should have won. Woody's play calling in the 73 game was atrocious.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
My sole consolation, and so many years later, was that Dick led my Saint Louis Rams to a Super Bowl win. Would I have exchanged that for another natty for Woody? In the words of Jack Tatum, “Yeah, hell yeah!”
All the star power and all we have to show for it is 2 losses to Michigan, a blow out to Bama and a close fall against UGA. And man, we would have crushed TCU and won it all no doubt. I’m not sure we’re all that close though, just close enough to keep us believing we’re close. Way too much talent yet we never play like it.
Finebaum is correct, the Buckeyes are right there.... Sometimes it seems like they lack the killer instinct, gotta finish opponents when the opportunity arises, stop with penalties, etc and execute.
Looking at the 2023 class recruiting it would appear TOSU is slipping further behind GA & AL. Way too many of our PRIORITY recruits are signing with GA & AL. I am sure NIL is playing a role. For 2023 AL signed 2 of the nations top running backs, Justice Haynes and Richard Young, and we are trying to entice a 3 star. I sure hope Finebaum finally knows what he is talking about.
Appears is the key word. Bama brought in 2 top rb’s the year before also. One was ranked #1. Jamhyr Gibbs as a transfer was their best rb. It wasn’t a good year In Tuscaloosa on the field. Who takes a step back with a returning heisman winner and the top defensive player in the country? Answer: Alabama did.
Beginning in 2024, the Bucks will have a bit more leeway with the 12 team playoff. However, just like the NFL , there is a wimdow of opportunity for Day to get it done. He needs a top-notch defense Pronto to pair with his elite offenses amd leave no doubt about a championship team, which I still believe Knowles is I nching his way towards. The window closes more every year with coaches leaving for the NFL or bigger roles elsewhere.
Agree with you. when he took the job, everyone was thinking he was going to get us "over the hump" (which he may still do) since his offensive schemes were much more explosive than Urban's. However, we have not progressed as we had hoped (might say we have regressed with the x2 loses to the ttun). seems like when you have an offensive coach, the defense sucks and when you have a defensive head coach, the offense sucks. hopefully knowles gets the defense straightened out quickly as our schedule next year is going to be a tough one. absolutely have to win at ttun which is going to be difficult to do since it is on the road and we have a new qb.
Knowles came in thinking his defense just needed to be marginally better than under Coombs while Day's offense continues to crank. Problem is, with such a porous defense, no amount of offense will be a guaranteed championship. To make matters worse, Knowles' philosophy of risk is based on (helping) the offense score more, when in the B1G it needs to be toned down for bleeding clock and/ or preventing big plays from neutralizing our offense. Of course, with a healthy RB room, we'd have been able to accomplish that goal this year.
The coaches poll asks coaches to rank teams they didn’t play and in many cases have never played or even seen play, in an unbiased way. What could go wrong? And that’s why we will soon have a 12 team playoff.
Agreed; the Coaches Poll is a joke. It has been for a longtime. The only coaches who actually pay attention to their vote -- or, heck, even fill it out themselves -- are those with an ax to grind (e.g., Saban). Nobody else cares.
If you look at the time between national championship or CFP appearances since the 90’s, it’s very telling. We experienced the surge from Florida, Florida State and Miami through the 90’s - and since then Miami appeared in ‘02 and FSU in ‘13 & ‘14. We showed up in ‘02, ‘06 &’07, and there was Texas/USC in that timeframe. Then it was Bama/Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia and OSU from ‘14-‘20, And now Georgia again. OSU appeared in most of those “eras” where no one else has. The Florida teams have been mostly gone from the landscape after the ‘90’s, Texas & USC we’re here and gone, Clemson has now fallen out. Even Bama before Saban wasn’t on the scene. THE Ohio State has been a player at the turn of the century, in the ‘00’s, in the teens, and once again in the ‘20’s. Sure we would all love to have ‘o6 , ‘07, ‘19 and ‘22 back - but it’s hard to argue that we aren’t THE model of consistency and excellence.
But the point is the same, UF has not appeared in a BCS championship or CFP in 13 years, and is going to have a difficult time getting over the hump with a surging SEC east (Georgia and Tennessee) and seemingly surging FSU whom they play every year.
Totally agree Buck. Like I commented above -we are the 1990's Atlanta Braves. Seventeen straight division titles. One world series win. The model of consistency.
That will be a great new venue for the lacrosse teams. Shame the men's schedule does not have any Saturday home games where one could be played before the Spring Game in the Shoe. When that was done several years ago for their ttun game they had 60,000 plus fans cheering them on. How many times does a lacrosse player get the opportunity to play in front of a crowd like that?
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
If this team played every game like they played against Georgia, with the only exception being the defensive side (mainly secondary), there's no doubt we can be a dominant program..we need a few more puzzle pieces and I think we're there!
Okay, we had one loss in regular season. Bama had two. One loss USC was ready to jump in but had a second loss. None of these teams won the conference. Buckeyes got in. Simple math.
We almost, almost beat Georgia. Pretty sure OSU was the right choice for number four. Sorry Bama.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Lol who honestly gives a flying F how diverse the women’s soccer team is? Just win the damn game. I don’t care what the team looks like. Nobody does. Simple logic. The simplest really. Sick of this bullshit
You’ve got to be kidding me right ? What would the NFL and NBA be without diverse ( black) players. Throw in MLB as an even more diverse collective with the Hispanic players as well. I’m glad anti-diversity voices of past eras were overcome so that these sports could include the best athletes of any race. Thanks Branch Rickey and Paul Brown for blasting through the norms of your eras. So the other sports shouldn’t have the opportunity to improve by including a diverse player base now ?
Lol did anyone say that? No. We said IT DOESNT MATTER what people look like. I don’t care how diverse a sport is or isn’t. If I’m cheering for a team I want that team to win. White, black, brown, I don’t care. Nobody should. The constant fascination with “diversity” is a crock of shit that we need to get over. Diversity for the sake of diversity is stupid.
All I’m saying is that there’s nothing wrong with enabling people. You are saying that diversity is for for the sake of diversity. I’m saying that diversity really helps - I have 50 some engineers reporting to me, and diversity in nationality, education , and various business backgrounds makes us strong as hell.
maybe I’m missing your point but what I’m hearing is that you are saying that diversity is for the sake of diversity. I say it works, and if you turn the clock back - I wouldn’t have been able to tap into all these talents of the diverse individuals
LOL there is nothing diverse about professional football or basketball, and I'm completely fine with that. Efforts to increase diversity in any setting were to give opportunity to those who were denied it based on race or ethnicity. Unintentionally, this made more workplaces "look" like the general public. If that were the case in professional sports, 75% of the players would be white, and I'm not sure that's what's best for the final product.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
True. Case in point:
In the movie 'Soul Man', C Thomas Howell turned out to be a terrible basketball player after the captains fought to have him on thier respective teams...based on his 'color'.
I've been struggling to figure out how to respond. I have been in your shoes and that is what I preached, but that was for an engineering environment where we sought the best solutions to problems. Diversity in thought was key. This is different than athletic teams where athleticism, coordination, speed of vision, etc are key. In this context, it's about having the best at there skills, regardless of any other qualifiers about the individual.
Building a team to be the best it can be, regardless of race and background: Awesome, everyone wants that.
Building a team to be sufficiently diverse, emphasizing race, background, and other factors besides skill and chemistry: Terrible, nobody wants that.
But that's not really what the article is about. It's saying that the high cost of entry into girls' youth soccer makes it prohibitive for a lot of people, a high percentage of whom are minorities. That means that US soccer is likely missing out on a lot of talent because those kids couldn't afford to get into soccer. The article is saying that they want to make things less cost-prohibitive.
A current player on the USWNT was quoted, saying that she probably wouldn't be here if she didn't have parents who could fork over 3-5k per year to support her. Imagine how many people that immediately eliminates from the sport. My parents definitely couldn't have afforded that. By bringing that cost down, they grow the pool of people from which they can identify really good players. Plus, everyone agrees that sports helps build character, so bringing one more available option to a lot of people would be good without any of the diversity considerations, right?
So, doesn't that make this a class issue, not a diversity issue? Yes, I agree, but they believe there is a secondary effect: because of the way things have shaken out, youth soccer has an image of being a sport for "rich, white kids" (in the words of the US Soccer President, not mine) and that in and of itself also drives down engagement from minorities who are not represented because sometimes people see things as "not for them" if it feels like that thing doesn't involve people like them. In matters of diversity, this is where a lot of people stop following because they don't relate to that sentiment, but that's where US Soccer is coming from.
I'm not trying to endorse the article, just clarify the content. There's plenty of room for disagreement in how you achieve the diverse representation they want and how you get the resources to lower the cost of entry.
I don't care nearly enough about soccer to read the article, so I appreciate your synopsis. One of the 'school' families that I see regularly at seemingly every function, is really into soccer (they're European, go figure.) Their daughter plays year-round, and I gather it does cost a small fortune for coaches fees, club fees, whatever. On top of that, they're seem to be constantly traveling for a multi-day tournament somewhere, usually in another state, that at least involves much driving, hotels, and food, if not airfare. The expense involved for that level of participation would indeed limit the pool of potential players.
While we're on the cost-of-access subject, IMG Academy costs somewhere in the 70-85K range. Where does all of that $$ come from? I've always wondered.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
There's been a lot of discussion recently about how the sports that Ivy League (and their imitators) specialize in are intentionally high cost/high barrier sports because that allows the schools to justify preferencing wealthy legacies.
The promulgation of select soccer clubs have skyrocketed the price of playing probably the cheapest sport on the world. You need a ball and something to kick it in to. Hell, my in laws have their kids playing club soccer and doing stuff like 6 days a week. The kids will probably be decent high school soccer players but they aren’t going to go pro or go to college for it. Bet they spend a lot of money on it and I could see how that would be prohibitive to a lot of people. Unfortunate really. The people kicking our asses, like South Americans, surely don’t have all those expensive club soccer organizations and we still can’t beat them. They are doing something right and we aren’t.
All the reminders in this article and comments by posters regarding how close Ohio State has been to additional national championships in my lifetime has thoroughly depressed me for the day.
John Greenleaf Whittier had it right: "For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, 'It might have been'."
Was John Greenleaf Whittier a Buckeye fan? He almost had to be.
When I still followed the NFL, the Browns were my favorite team. When I still followed MLB, the Indians were my favorite team. Always been a Buckeye fan. So many missed championships. Doesn't matter though. Go Buckeyes!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Saban forced to revenge vote his own team above its actual results is another sign that he is in decline. Old Saban wouldn't have been striving for consolation prizes.
So did Kevin Warren or anybody ever sit down with Fox Sports and ask them wtf was up with giving ol Nick 5+ minutes of the Big Championship halftime to argue why they deserve the 4th seed over Ohio St? That was complete bs.
To be sure, if the university were interested in wiser use of funds, they could have designated a single field to serve both soccer and lacrosse. There would be no issue with schedule overlap & the field sizes are similar (60 yd. x 110 yd. for lacrosse, 70 x 115 for soccer). You could probably even include field hockey.
They screwed up long ago by combining the soccer and track stadium. Track is spring as is lacrosse. And you certainly can't practice lacrosse while people are running track.
Now it's time for Ohio State to nail the hiring of the person who will replace him. That person has big shoes to fill, but I'm confident Day and Gene Smith will find the right man for the job.
So you're saying they are hiring someone............
I have enjoyed the aggressive play calling on offense since 2012 forward, with Coach Wilson a big part of it since 2017. I suppose there will be less stretch zone runs now.
Damn! The lacrosse field design nailed it. Ohio stadium field design, not so much.
I can't help but wonder what if any difference it would and could make to have a former SF operator with Ohio ties to become our strength and conditioning coach. I feel someone like that could really change demeanor, physicality, and attitude. Don't kid yourself either. Quite honestly. I know a guy.
Chase you mention that you hope the Bucks make a good hire to replace Wilson. But I am pretty sure Wilson has been replaced, by Keenan Bailey as TE coach. So, it seems like it is a matter of naming a new OC from within the current staff i.e. most likely either Hartline or Frye or Alford or some combo thereof. Is that accurate?
As it stands now, yes that would be accurate. Someone else would not have to be retained in order to get a new outside OC.
Does anyone know when Day would have his next media availability? Obviously they're recruiting now to wrap up the 2023 class with whatever targets they may still have out there.
That is correct. I meant hire in the sense of either promotion from within or finding someone outside. If they choose the latter, they'd need to cut ties with at least one of the 10 full-time staffers. We will see which route they take.
Appreciate Finebaum’s vote of confidence. To his credit, he ate up all his humble pie after we took down Bama in 2015 and since has often had OSU’s back especially against others at ESPN
Getting hard to ignore how top-heavy we are with skill players, especially QBs and WRs. We are crushing it with recruits at those positions in the last 4 years, but in spite of top recruiting classes are again scrambling for answers with line play on both sides. Absent the addressing of these, we are not getting “over the hump.”
Props to Kevin Wilson; did a hell of a job for the Buckeye's. He's already got his OC in Steve Spurrier Jr.
RIP - USC running back great Charles White and guitar picker extraordinaire Jeff Beck.
Thanks again to the Ute's and Coach Kyle, Nick's a sore loser and Dino is still an idiot.
Go Bucks!
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Is it any wonder that the B1G is leaving ESPN altogether due to a failure to negotiate a new TV contract that they're all of a sudden putting us at #2 in the "way too early poll," talking about us being "next up" to replace Georgia's dynasty--not Alabama, LSU, or any OTHER SEC (or ACC team)--and any of the other sugary things FInebaum and Co. are saying these days about OSU. I was such an idiot for thinking that perhaps we were FINALLY getting the respect we've earned by being the best college football program in history. BUT NOOOOOOOO. It' really all about ESPN trying to get some B1G 10 love. It is, however, illustrative on how impactful and helpful a "good narrative" is when it comes to polls and perceptions. The things they're saying about OSU they could've been saying for decades, especially after Urban, but they have NOT. We're smarter than that, PAAAAAAUUUULLLL.
Regarding that lacrosse field, I don't understand how no one at Ohio State understands how the problem and challenge of making the iconic Ohio State helmet stripe a design feature for all things Ohio State athletics. The problem is there is no gray in that stripe, therefore it doesn't actually have one of Ohio State's two primary colors. The reason it works on the Ohio State helmet and pants is that the field around the stripe is gray! The reason it doesn't work on the uniform is that the field (or surrounding color) is scarlet! So when you put that stripe around an area of scarlet it just looks like we're Georgia or Wisconsin...some team that's red, black, and white instead of the very unique colors of scarlet and gray - what other P5 university is red and gray?!?! We're constantly squandering that unique color arrangement.
What they did:
What would make more sense, but of course the problem with this is the lack of scarlet. I'm sure that if Ohio State simply consulted with a design professional worth their salt they could solve this problem and take it to the next level:
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
thanks for the laugh ...the guy everybody on this site hates is now listened to because he said something good about OSU ...also Georgia never got Totally Creamed by the same team 2 years in a row ....as far as Saban his team never got totally annihilated by the same team 2 years in a row ...also lets all quit worrying about Georgia and Alabama and CFP until we can beat YOU KNOW WHO ....
Same here. I don't hate their other teams, but their basketball can lose every game until the sun burns out, or for the rest of my life, whichever comes first. Do it for Luke!
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
First... In my mind the OC should be a no-brainer. Hartline! He's earned it and the man can recruit like no other.
Second... For tOSU to be the next "Georgia" as it's put, it's gonna take (sad to say this) money. Lots of it. Bama isn't scoring the #1 recruiting class year after year because the recruits like the stadium and the coaching staff. As one insider I spoke with put it, "Bama has tens of millions" in the NIL bank and are buying these players... and have been for several years prior to NIL. NIL is probably (and sadly) here to stay and it only means that the rich get richer and the poor... well, you know. Even the semi-rich will be left on the outside looking in each year. So I'm not sure how OSU garners more NIL money in the proverbial bank, but to me that will be the driver. JMHO.
Randy is dead on. You either do what the top programs do (which is permissible) or you get left by the side of the road and remember the good old days.
IDK, Hartline may be qualified for OC, but we don't really know. He can recruit and coach WR's as good as anyone has ever done it anywhere, anytime. But, we have fallen for the great position coach, great recruiter, obviously-will-make-a-great-coordinator fallacy more than once. See: Coombs, Kerry (and Warriner, Ed; Beck, Tim, etc, etc.) In my ideal world, he keeps doing his thing with WR's and we go get a proven, big-time OC (like we thought we were getting with Knowles.... jury is still out on that, we'll see.)
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Hartline is all Buckeye through and through. He's also smarter than the average bear. Plus, elevating him to OC gives him a pretty substantial raise I believe, which only further ensures that he stays in Columbus for likely several more years to come. Don't want to lose him to some directional school offering mo money. Again, JMHO.
Look at 2015, 2018, 2019, 2021 and 2022, and think about how one game in each of those seasons knocked the Buckeyes off their path toward winning a national championship.
Don't forget about 2017. OSU was a lock after the PSU win. They were #3 in the nation, then lost to Iowa. So it is really 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Dino (Barbie) Barbers will not ever progress above a risky dink like Syracuse and will most likely be let tossed from there in about 2 years. I give him 3 at the most, then back to division 2.
Are we sure that they can afford to hire an offensive coordinator or is Smith going to be asking for donations from the fans so they can remain competitive? Or is booster $$ ok for coaching salaries but not NIL? Just asking.
Well all the coaching positions are filled - so I don't understand how it is a HIRING per se for offensive coordinator. A promotion and/or change in title - yes. A hiring - in a limited sense of the word, no. Important none the less.
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Well Thank You Paul Finebaum.
I know. Him of all people. I figured he was one of those ppl bashing the Big for losing both of its games in the playoffs.
muck fichigan
As usual it's about Finebaum manufacturing the outrage of his SEC callers and critics. Nothing new, just generating ratings and clicks.
"Put ya' weight on it"
You're probably right, but I also think he just might truly believe what he said. He's smart and he understands the pull and power of the Buckeye brand. If we're being honest, OSU has under performed relative to expectations especially since Meyer took over. More consistency on the national stage is the logical next step and OSU is the program best equipped to achieve that, as Paul said. But it starts with Day and this program making The Game priority number 1.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
Well, bless his heart
I was about ready to twist those ears. What surprise, I don’t need to now.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Especially when you were healthy
This makes it sound as if he's leaving---did I miss something here?
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
You didn't miss anything. Chop was just saying that he made his grandma proud. I reiterated that he made all of Buckeye Nation proud (not just his g'ma), and then said, "Thank you" for his effort last season.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
So Fred Flintstones dog has a vote in the coaches poll?
Seo
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Dino Babers is an idiot; shot his wad at BG.
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Think Dino voted as he did because we stole his star safety?
Oh, Little St. Nick--be real.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
It's weird, though, I read he just said the Bucks basically got screwed by the refs on the targeting call, which you can infer to mean the Bucks prolly deserved to win that game.
Add to those 1957, 1961. 1969, 1970, 1973, 1979, 1996, 1998, 2006, 2007, 2012. That is 16 very legit chances to win it all over the past 65 years and we have 3 to show for it - so really - not much has changed. We are the 1990's Atlanta Braves.
Have been a Buckeye fan for decades and the near misses get harder and harder to take.
Thanks a lot 2morrow for the reminders. I remember them from 1969 forward. As far as getting harder to take, I guess I've just gotten used to it. BTW, you forgot the 1976 Rose Bowl fiasco when we had our most pathetic showing in a title game against UCLA. Still in my mind, the most embarrassing Buckeye championship loss ever. LOL on the Braves comparison. We Buckeye fans are obviously a patient fanbase.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Agree. Poster missed the most winnable Championship game but there's been so many.
UV!!! Yikes. How could I forget that one! The memory isn't what it used to be.
That's understandable 2morrow. There have been more than a few. That Rose Bowl sticks in my mind like the 1973 michigan tie game that cost us one we should have won. Woody's play calling in the 73 game was atrocious.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
My sole consolation, and so many years later, was that Dick led my Saint Louis Rams to a Super Bowl win. Would I have exchanged that for another natty for Woody? In the words of Jack Tatum, “Yeah, hell yeah!”
We have a Georgia sports fan at work. I made this same comparison to him and he was shocked, but acknowledged the similarities.
All the star power and all we have to show for it is 2 losses to Michigan, a blow out to Bama and a close fall against UGA. And man, we would have crushed TCU and won it all no doubt. I’m not sure we’re all that close though, just close enough to keep us believing we’re close. Way too much talent yet we never play like it.
Schiano has balls. Franklin a pussy.
Guess there's a reason for everything...
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Dino Babers is like the guy rejected by the prom queen in high school and then tells his friends that she’s actually only a 6/10.
At least he didn't rank them 11.
#walkaway
Finebaum is correct, the Buckeyes are right there.... Sometimes it seems like they lack the killer instinct, gotta finish opponents when the opportunity arises, stop with penalties, etc and execute.
CBus love
Looking at the 2023 class recruiting it would appear TOSU is slipping further behind GA & AL. Way too many of our PRIORITY recruits are signing with GA & AL. I am sure NIL is playing a role. For 2023 AL signed 2 of the nations top running backs, Justice Haynes and Richard Young, and we are trying to entice a 3 star. I sure hope Finebaum finally knows what he is talking about.
Appears is the key word. Bama brought in 2 top rb’s the year before also. One was ranked #1. Jamhyr Gibbs as a transfer was their best rb. It wasn’t a good year In Tuscaloosa on the field. Who takes a step back with a returning heisman winner and the top defensive player in the country? Answer: Alabama did.
Beginning in 2024, the Bucks will have a bit more leeway with the 12 team playoff. However, just like the NFL , there is a wimdow of opportunity for Day to get it done. He needs a top-notch defense Pronto to pair with his elite offenses amd leave no doubt about a championship team, which I still believe Knowles is I nching his way towards. The window closes more every year with coaches leaving for the NFL or bigger roles elsewhere.
"Put ya' weight on it"
Agree with you. when he took the job, everyone was thinking he was going to get us "over the hump" (which he may still do) since his offensive schemes were much more explosive than Urban's. However, we have not progressed as we had hoped (might say we have regressed with the x2 loses to the ttun). seems like when you have an offensive coach, the defense sucks and when you have a defensive head coach, the offense sucks. hopefully knowles gets the defense straightened out quickly as our schedule next year is going to be a tough one. absolutely have to win at ttun which is going to be difficult to do since it is on the road and we have a new qb.
Big B
Knowles came in thinking his defense just needed to be marginally better than under Coombs while Day's offense continues to crank. Problem is, with such a porous defense, no amount of offense will be a guaranteed championship. To make matters worse, Knowles' philosophy of risk is based on (helping) the offense score more, when in the B1G it needs to be toned down for bleeding clock and/ or preventing big plays from neutralizing our offense. Of course, with a healthy RB room, we'd have been able to accomplish that goal this year.
"Put ya' weight on it"
The coaches poll asks coaches to rank teams they didn’t play and in many cases have never played or even seen play, in an unbiased way. What could go wrong? And that’s why we will soon have a 12 team playoff.
Add in most of the time, the coaches don't even fill those out.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Agreed; the Coaches Poll is a joke. It has been for a longtime. The only coaches who actually pay attention to their vote -- or, heck, even fill it out themselves -- are those with an ax to grind (e.g., Saban). Nobody else cares.
If you look at the time between national championship or CFP appearances since the 90’s, it’s very telling. We experienced the surge from Florida, Florida State and Miami through the 90’s - and since then Miami appeared in ‘02 and FSU in ‘13 & ‘14. We showed up in ‘02, ‘06 &’07, and there was Texas/USC in that timeframe. Then it was Bama/Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia and OSU from ‘14-‘20, And now Georgia again. OSU appeared in most of those “eras” where no one else has. The Florida teams have been mostly gone from the landscape after the ‘90’s, Texas & USC we’re here and gone, Clemson has now fallen out. Even Bama before Saban wasn’t on the scene. THE Ohio State has been a player at the turn of the century, in the ‘00’s, in the teens, and once again in the ‘20’s. Sure we would all love to have ‘o6 , ‘07, ‘19 and ‘22 back - but it’s hard to argue that we aren’t THE model of consistency and excellence.
Uh, Florida won the BCS under Meyer in 2007 and 2009.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I stand corrected - my recollections of history should be posted after caffeinating , not before, at 5:00 AM !
But the point is the same, UF has not appeared in a BCS championship or CFP in 13 years, and is going to have a difficult time getting over the hump with a surging SEC east (Georgia and Tennessee) and seemingly surging FSU whom they play every year.
Totally agree Buck. Like I commented above -we are the 1990's Atlanta Braves. Seventeen straight division titles. One world series win. The model of consistency.
One world series win. And who did they beat? The Cleveland Indians. Figures.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
That will be a great new venue for the lacrosse teams. Shame the men's schedule does not have any Saturday home games where one could be played before the Spring Game in the Shoe. When that was done several years ago for their ttun game they had 60,000 plus fans cheering them on. How many times does a lacrosse player get the opportunity to play in front of a crowd like that?
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
If this team played every game like they played against Georgia, with the only exception being the defensive side (mainly secondary), there's no doubt we can be a dominant program..we need a few more puzzle pieces and I think we're there!
Okay, we had one loss in regular season. Bama had two. One loss USC was ready to jump in but had a second loss. None of these teams won the conference. Buckeyes got in. Simple math.
We almost, almost beat Georgia. Pretty sure OSU was the right choice for number four. Sorry Bama.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Lol who honestly gives a flying F how diverse the women’s soccer team is? Just win the damn game. I don’t care what the team looks like. Nobody does. Simple logic. The simplest really. Sick of this bullshit
Yep. And you could write the same article about tennis, golf, and a host of other sports.
I always thought the best players should play regardless of race, religion, background, etc.
But I guess that isn't enough anymore!
You’ve got to be kidding me right ? What would the NFL and NBA be without diverse ( black) players. Throw in MLB as an even more diverse collective with the Hispanic players as well. I’m glad anti-diversity voices of past eras were overcome so that these sports could include the best athletes of any race. Thanks Branch Rickey and Paul Brown for blasting through the norms of your eras. So the other sports shouldn’t have the opportunity to improve by including a diverse player base now ?
Lol did anyone say that? No. We said IT DOESNT MATTER what people look like. I don’t care how diverse a sport is or isn’t. If I’m cheering for a team I want that team to win. White, black, brown, I don’t care. Nobody should. The constant fascination with “diversity” is a crock of shit that we need to get over. Diversity for the sake of diversity is stupid.
Thank you...may the most qualified man, woman, transgender, black, white, brown, yellow, red, etc person "win"
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
Nashville, just stop...please...you're embarrassing yourself
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
All I’m saying is that there’s nothing wrong with enabling people. You are saying that diversity is for for the sake of diversity. I’m saying that diversity really helps - I have 50 some engineers reporting to me, and diversity in nationality, education , and various business backgrounds makes us strong as hell.
maybe I’m missing your point but what I’m hearing is that you are saying that diversity is for the sake of diversity. I say it works, and if you turn the clock back - I wouldn’t have been able to tap into all these talents of the diverse individuals
LOL there is nothing diverse about professional football or basketball, and I'm completely fine with that. Efforts to increase diversity in any setting were to give opportunity to those who were denied it based on race or ethnicity. Unintentionally, this made more workplaces "look" like the general public. If that were the case in professional sports, 75% of the players would be white, and I'm not sure that's what's best for the final product.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
True. Case in point:
In the movie 'Soul Man', C Thomas Howell turned out to be a terrible basketball player after the captains fought to have him on thier respective teams...based on his 'color'.
"Put ya' weight on it"
see Stanley
not the flat-one, the one in The Office
vacuuming sucks
LOL Didn't think I'd ever see a Soul Man reference in the Skully, yet here we are. Nice work!
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
BuckinNashville,
I've been struggling to figure out how to respond. I have been in your shoes and that is what I preached, but that was for an engineering environment where we sought the best solutions to problems. Diversity in thought was key. This is different than athletic teams where athleticism, coordination, speed of vision, etc are key. In this context, it's about having the best at there skills, regardless of any other qualifiers about the individual.
VA_Buck
Building a team to be the best it can be, regardless of race and background: Awesome, everyone wants that.
Building a team to be sufficiently diverse, emphasizing race, background, and other factors besides skill and chemistry: Terrible, nobody wants that.
But that's not really what the article is about. It's saying that the high cost of entry into girls' youth soccer makes it prohibitive for a lot of people, a high percentage of whom are minorities. That means that US soccer is likely missing out on a lot of talent because those kids couldn't afford to get into soccer. The article is saying that they want to make things less cost-prohibitive.
A current player on the USWNT was quoted, saying that she probably wouldn't be here if she didn't have parents who could fork over 3-5k per year to support her. Imagine how many people that immediately eliminates from the sport. My parents definitely couldn't have afforded that. By bringing that cost down, they grow the pool of people from which they can identify really good players. Plus, everyone agrees that sports helps build character, so bringing one more available option to a lot of people would be good without any of the diversity considerations, right?
So, doesn't that make this a class issue, not a diversity issue? Yes, I agree, but they believe there is a secondary effect: because of the way things have shaken out, youth soccer has an image of being a sport for "rich, white kids" (in the words of the US Soccer President, not mine) and that in and of itself also drives down engagement from minorities who are not represented because sometimes people see things as "not for them" if it feels like that thing doesn't involve people like them. In matters of diversity, this is where a lot of people stop following because they don't relate to that sentiment, but that's where US Soccer is coming from.
I'm not trying to endorse the article, just clarify the content. There's plenty of room for disagreement in how you achieve the diverse representation they want and how you get the resources to lower the cost of entry.
I don't care nearly enough about soccer to read the article, so I appreciate your synopsis. One of the 'school' families that I see regularly at seemingly every function, is really into soccer (they're European, go figure.) Their daughter plays year-round, and I gather it does cost a small fortune for coaches fees, club fees, whatever. On top of that, they're seem to be constantly traveling for a multi-day tournament somewhere, usually in another state, that at least involves much driving, hotels, and food, if not airfare. The expense involved for that level of participation would indeed limit the pool of potential players.
While we're on the cost-of-access subject, IMG Academy costs somewhere in the 70-85K range. Where does all of that $$ come from? I've always wondered.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
There's been a lot of discussion recently about how the sports that Ivy League (and their imitators) specialize in are intentionally high cost/high barrier sports because that allows the schools to justify preferencing wealthy legacies.
More context than I can provide here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/fencing-ivy-league-college-admissi...
Everyone of those schools is doing everything it can to preference POC in admissions at the expense of white, Jewish, and Asian applicants.
“Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.”― Christopher Earle
The promulgation of select soccer clubs have skyrocketed the price of playing probably the cheapest sport on the world. You need a ball and something to kick it in to. Hell, my in laws have their kids playing club soccer and doing stuff like 6 days a week. The kids will probably be decent high school soccer players but they aren’t going to go pro or go to college for it. Bet they spend a lot of money on it and I could see how that would be prohibitive to a lot of people. Unfortunate really. The people kicking our asses, like South Americans, surely don’t have all those expensive club soccer organizations and we still can’t beat them. They are doing something right and we aren’t.
Byah, I like your nuanced summary here. I fear that we don't do enough of this in looking at things from the outside. Thanks
vacuuming sucks
All the reminders in this article and comments by posters regarding how close Ohio State has been to additional national championships in my lifetime has thoroughly depressed me for the day.
John Greenleaf Whittier had it right: "For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, 'It might have been'."
Focus on finishing in the TOP 6 EVERY year of the last 9 AP Polls and currently #2 BEST odds to win the next CFP.
Was John Greenleaf Whittier a Buckeye fan? He almost had to be.
When I still followed the NFL, the Browns were my favorite team. When I still followed MLB, the Indians were my favorite team. Always been a Buckeye fan. So many missed championships. Doesn't matter though. Go Buckeyes!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
'Tis true...J.G. Whittier was an OSU fan. Where do you think he got his inspiration for his quote?
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
I knew it!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Saban forced to revenge vote his own team above its actual results is another sign that he is in decline. Old Saban wouldn't have been striving for consolation prizes.
So did Kevin Warren or anybody ever sit down with Fox Sports and ask them wtf was up with giving ol Nick 5+ minutes of the Big Championship halftime to argue why they deserve the 4th seed over Ohio St? That was complete bs.
muck fichigan
I enjoyed the whining by Saban. Fox probably did too;)
"Put ya' weight on it"
They need to get rid of the coaches poll. People like Dabo and Syracuse coach have ruined it. Means nothing anymore.
What a waste of resources toward a stand-alone field for a non-revenue sport.
Yeah, they should have spent it on the football players.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
To be sure, if the university were interested in wiser use of funds, they could have designated a single field to serve both soccer and lacrosse. There would be no issue with schedule overlap & the field sizes are similar (60 yd. x 110 yd. for lacrosse, 70 x 115 for soccer). You could probably even include field hockey.
They screwed up long ago by combining the soccer and track stadium. Track is spring as is lacrosse. And you certainly can't practice lacrosse while people are running track.
So you're saying they are hiring someone............
I have enjoyed the aggressive play calling on offense since 2012 forward, with Coach Wilson a big part of it since 2017. I suppose there will be less stretch zone runs now.
#walkaway
Damn! The lacrosse field design nailed it. Ohio stadium field design, not so much.
I can't help but wonder what if any difference it would and could make to have a former SF operator with Ohio ties to become our strength and conditioning coach. I feel someone like that could really change demeanor, physicality, and attitude. Don't kid yourself either. Quite honestly. I know a guy.
Give violence a chance
Poor Ugga. He's a trooper for letting the mascots pet him. My dogs would freak out if a mascot with a giant head approached them.
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You'll never convince me that Ugga isn't doped most gamedays.
You could be right. I do recall this...
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
"Uga, sic balls!"
"Put ya' weight on it"
Chase you mention that you hope the Bucks make a good hire to replace Wilson. But I am pretty sure Wilson has been replaced, by Keenan Bailey as TE coach. So, it seems like it is a matter of naming a new OC from within the current staff i.e. most likely either Hartline or Frye or Alford or some combo thereof. Is that accurate?
B Buehler
As it stands now, yes that would be accurate. Someone else would not have to be retained in order to get a new outside OC.
Does anyone know when Day would have his next media availability? Obviously they're recruiting now to wrap up the 2023 class with whatever targets they may still have out there.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
That is correct. I meant hire in the sense of either promotion from within or finding someone outside. If they choose the latter, they'd need to cut ties with at least one of the 10 full-time staffers. We will see which route they take.
We need a Tulsa King gif with Kevin Wlison on Sly's body
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
Appreciate Finebaum’s vote of confidence. To his credit, he ate up all his humble pie after we took down Bama in 2015 and since has often had OSU’s back especially against others at ESPN
Getting hard to ignore how top-heavy we are with skill players, especially QBs and WRs. We are crushing it with recruits at those positions in the last 4 years, but in spite of top recruiting classes are again scrambling for answers with line play on both sides. Absent the addressing of these, we are not getting “over the hump.”
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Props to Kevin Wilson; did a hell of a job for the Buckeye's. He's already got his OC in Steve Spurrier Jr.
RIP - USC running back great Charles White and guitar picker extraordinaire Jeff Beck.
Thanks again to the Ute's and Coach Kyle, Nick's a sore loser and Dino is still an idiot.
Go Bucks!
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Is it any wonder that the B1G is leaving ESPN altogether due to a failure to negotiate a new TV contract that they're all of a sudden putting us at #2 in the "way too early poll," talking about us being "next up" to replace Georgia's dynasty--not Alabama, LSU, or any OTHER SEC (or ACC team)--and any of the other sugary things FInebaum and Co. are saying these days about OSU. I was such an idiot for thinking that perhaps we were FINALLY getting the respect we've earned by being the best college football program in history. BUT NOOOOOOOO. It' really all about ESPN trying to get some B1G 10 love. It is, however, illustrative on how impactful and helpful a "good narrative" is when it comes to polls and perceptions. The things they're saying about OSU they could've been saying for decades, especially after Urban, but they have NOT. We're smarter than that, PAAAAAAUUUULLLL.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Regarding that lacrosse field, I don't understand how no one at Ohio State understands how the problem and challenge of making the iconic Ohio State helmet stripe a design feature for all things Ohio State athletics. The problem is there is no gray in that stripe, therefore it doesn't actually have one of Ohio State's two primary colors. The reason it works on the Ohio State helmet and pants is that the field around the stripe is gray! The reason it doesn't work on the uniform is that the field (or surrounding color) is scarlet! So when you put that stripe around an area of scarlet it just looks like we're Georgia or Wisconsin...some team that's red, black, and white instead of the very unique colors of scarlet and gray - what other P5 university is red and gray?!?! We're constantly squandering that unique color arrangement.
What they did:
What would make more sense, but of course the problem with this is the lack of scarlet. I'm sure that if Ohio State simply consulted with a design professional worth their salt they could solve this problem and take it to the next level:
Wazzu, although they call their red 'crimson.'
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Good call, deeper shade of red. In any case they arguably do a better job of working with their color scheme than we do.
thanks for the laugh ...the guy everybody on this site hates is now listened to because he said something good about OSU ...also Georgia never got Totally Creamed by the same team 2 years in a row ....as far as Saban his team never got totally annihilated by the same team 2 years in a row ...also lets all quit worrying about Georgia and Alabama and CFP until we can beat YOU KNOW WHO ....
FOCK being the next georgia.
Fock Minnesota basketball since 1972. I seen it live on TV as a kid and it still pisses me off to no end. OSU puts it on them tonight.
Same here. I don't hate their other teams, but their basketball can lose every game until the sun burns out, or for the rest of my life, whichever comes first. Do it for Luke!
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
First... In my mind the OC should be a no-brainer. Hartline! He's earned it and the man can recruit like no other.
Second... For tOSU to be the next "Georgia" as it's put, it's gonna take (sad to say this) money. Lots of it. Bama isn't scoring the #1 recruiting class year after year because the recruits like the stadium and the coaching staff. As one insider I spoke with put it, "Bama has tens of millions" in the NIL bank and are buying these players... and have been for several years prior to NIL. NIL is probably (and sadly) here to stay and it only means that the rich get richer and the poor... well, you know. Even the semi-rich will be left on the outside looking in each year. So I'm not sure how OSU garners more NIL money in the proverbial bank, but to me that will be the driver. JMHO.
Randy is dead on. You either do what the top programs do (which is permissible) or you get left by the side of the road and remember the good old days.
IDK, Hartline may be qualified for OC, but we don't really know. He can recruit and coach WR's as good as anyone has ever done it anywhere, anytime. But, we have fallen for the great position coach, great recruiter, obviously-will-make-a-great-coordinator fallacy more than once. See: Coombs, Kerry (and Warriner, Ed; Beck, Tim, etc, etc.) In my ideal world, he keeps doing his thing with WR's and we go get a proven, big-time OC (like we thought we were getting with Knowles.... jury is still out on that, we'll see.)
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Hartline is all Buckeye through and through. He's also smarter than the average bear. Plus, elevating him to OC gives him a pretty substantial raise I believe, which only further ensures that he stays in Columbus for likely several more years to come. Don't want to lose him to some directional school offering mo money. Again, JMHO.
Don't forget about 2017. OSU was a lock after the PSU win. They were #3 in the nation, then lost to Iowa. So it is really 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Dino (Barbie) Barbers will not ever progress above a risky dink like Syracuse and will most likely be let tossed from there in about 2 years. I give him 3 at the most, then back to division 2.
Dino obviously bitter JaHad Carter now a Buckeye!
Every time I read the Olympic Village section I just think about NIL dollars that could have been
Best of luck to coach Wilson as he moves on... Unless he and his team find themselves in Columbus playing the good guys.
The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!
Are we sure that they can afford to hire an offensive coordinator or is Smith going to be asking for donations from the fans so they can remain competitive? Or is booster $$ ok for coaching salaries but not NIL? Just asking.
Well all the coaching positions are filled - so I don't understand how it is a HIRING per se for offensive coordinator. A promotion and/or change in title - yes. A hiring - in a limited sense of the word, no. Important none the less.
Michael
Eff being the next Georgia. THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY BUCKEYES aren't the Next, they are the NOW!
Muck Fichigan
From my perspective, the "hump" OSU football needs to get over is mental.