Stock Up/Stock Down: USC Loss Restores OSU's Chance At a Natty, Jaxon Smith-Njigba Erases Any Hope For A CFP Return And A Rematch of The Game Will Have to Wait
With JSN being the first pakyer to optmoutnof an opportunity to win a title, what will we see when we have 12 teams in the playoffs? IMO there will be many more optimg out, especially on teams that really don't have a chance to win it. They asked to get paid and they got what they wanted. If they are getting paid, they should play. Bottom line: the NCAA laid a big turd with sitting buy and letting NIL get out of hand, confernce expansion, the transfer portal becoming what it is and the expansion to 12 teams.
jSN checked out a while ago. Reports are he quit quit attending classes. Hard for me to believe that a Dr told him he couldn't play 3-4 weeks from today? I think it was hai agent who convinced him not to play. And besides, if you ahd a chance to win a title, wouldn't you give it a shot?
Other reports are that the 3rd hamstring injury against Iowa was a different spot on the hamstring and probably a grade 2 (partial tear) which is what Darren Waller has for the Raiders and has missed 8 weeks with so far.
This is a great example of recruiting the wrong people. JSN is highly-talented, but he's all about himself. Can't wait till he's gone. I'd rather have a lesser-skilled player who'll do anything to win than a selfish player like JSN.
You have no idea if he is still injured. None of us do. He's guaranteed millions of dollars this spring and he's protecting himself whether he is injured or not.
True, no one really knows for sure. As a Buckeye fan I want to see JSN come back, but putting my common sense hat on, with millions of dollars at stake, it is not a hard decision to protect yourself physically and financially at this point after having spent the season injured. Injured or not injured, not playing these games is the smart decision in JSN's case. I can't fault him either way.
Why? You don't know if he's really still hurt or not. Only 2 things are possilbe either 1) he isn't hurt and is choosing not to play or 2) he's still not healthy from an injury he suffered all the way back in week 1. Both of those things are concerning. I get it man, gotta protect your money, its just unfortunate. If this was Braxton Miller, JT, or Justin Fields, there is zero chance they sit this game out.
JSN is injured not just hurt. Quick twitch is how this man will make his career path in the NFL, which means make life changing money. He has tried to comeback and truthfully what I wish for was a LONG view after Toledo where the staff sat his emotional ass down and said we can risk losing ANY other game except The Game. You are done until Maryland and then a 25-rep count to prepare for Michigan.
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
I've seen rumors that he's been training the last few weeks and stopped going to classes awhile ago. If those rumors are true, he's a soft kid that doesn't care about his teammates and competing for a title. If your focus is to get to the NFL and make money, that's fine but don't preach all this bullshit about The Brotherhood and all that crap. Also, unless you have an inside source or you are his doctor, you have no idea how injured he is or is not. To me, this an op out just like Jamarr Chase did in 2020.
Yeah, it sure seems like an opt out. There's a chance he's far more injured than we were led to believe BUT I've heard from a few different people that he's been training pretty hard the last few weeks. More power to him if this is the path that gives him the best opportunity going forward but I personally believe that showing out in the playoffs would have made him a lot more money come April.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
This is pathetic. I don't know if he's still injured or not, but he hasn't really been on the field the whole season. This is some self-serving anger coming out, like he did this to hurt you personally. I'm a huge Buckeye fan, and have been my entire cognizant life, and felt the pain of the Cooper years. I saw the initial injury, and he attempted multiple returns. We (the team) plays with who is available, and he isn't. Take your judgmental anger somewhere else, JSN doesn't deserve it.
"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes
You are right HM. There are some really good defensive players out there also. This year is a weak field and it's time to select a real best college player like Marvin.
Yes, I’m 100% biased and a Michigan hater so take this for what it’s worth. I think later year’s Michigan team was the real deal and benefited from keeping players around 5-6 years with the COVID extra year. I’m not sold on Michigan this year, they played a very easy schedule, including the B1G championship game, and Ohio State crapped the bed with the game plan.
Three of those guys were starters (Vastardis at C, Ross at LB and Hawkins at FS). Robbins is a punter; Honigford (TE) and Baldwin (WR) had 18 catches combined.
Covid year or no, three graduate starters isn’t very many. Not sure how that narrative got started.
you have the number one recruiting class about every year and you lose twice and should have lost to both Texas teams. See ya Saban. Your time has come.
As much as we laughed about Day saying "this could be a dangerous team" after losing to Michigan by 22, what I saw out of Nick Saban on Saturday was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.
what I saw out of Nick Saban on Saturday was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen
Everyone keeps saying that. What was he supposed to say? We suck? We don’t deserve a shot? He is supposed to fight and lobby for his team. Some of what he is said is spot on as much as we may not like it.
His argument that Alabama deserved to be in the playoff because of Vegas point spreads was laughable. Perhaps he forgot that his team was favored in both of the games they lost this year?
That cameo appearance by Saban was embarrassing and infuriating at the same time. This was broadcast during the B1G championship game by FOX, the network that has a lucrative arrangement with the B1G to broadcast their games. The B1G should find a way to cause them some pain for that. WTF? You bring Nick Saban, Satan of the SEC, on your broadcast to throw shade on Ohio State (and USC, to be fair) about getting beat badly at the end of the season? Why don't you give Hated Dabo equal time? Are you kidding me? What was the point of that? Remember, the CFP hadn't voted yet. FOX gave Saban a platform on national TV to promote his team elbowing out a B1G team? At half-time of the B1G Championship Game? WHAT? Fortunately he came off as a sad old man with a bad dye job, whining about Bryce Young not being 100% when they lost 2 games and how they were playing better there toward the end of the season. How many teams are 100% after week 1 of the season, Nick? Come on. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, Buster.
I didn't understand that decision by Fox as well. Over on CBS, the crew are SEC focused and pushing that conference's teams for the playoffs. Fox needs to do the same.
Stock down: season ending hammy for JSN...once he re-aggravated it against Toledo, it was a foregone conclusion he was done
Stock up: Hartline staying, possibly (probably?) as our new OC
Stock down: Griffin Strom (sorry, buddy!)...I don't care how well Harbaugh's season is going, there is no need to feature him in this column--unless it's in the "Stock Down" category.
Stock up: players entering the portal for better opportunities to play, while opening up roster (ie scholly) spots for future Buckeyes..IMO, it's a win-win
Throughout all of the winning OSU did against the team up North since 2001 never once have any of the players been so arrogant and disrespectful as the Team Up North players have been over the last 2 years.
Throughout all of the winning OSU did against the team up North since 2001 never once have any of the players been so arrogant and disrespectful as the Team Up North players have been over the last 2 years.
Let’s not throw the arrogance comments out there. Did we not learn anything from losing 2 years in a row and with all the 20-30 point predictions on winning those two games? In his defense, he felt slighted on how his recruitment was handled. Many of us may have been salty over that.
Bucks19, watch that video again. Edwards handled that question properly, McCarthy did not. If you are OK with McCarthy's attitude were you OK with them planting a flag on the 50 yard line of The Shoe?? Were you OK with it when Oklahoma did it??
Bucks19, watch that video again. Edwards handled that question properly, McCarthy did not. If you are OK with McCarthy's attitude were you OK with them planting a flag on the 50 yard line of The Shoe?? Were you OK with it when Oklahoma did it??
I am OK with a quarterback, have an attitude and a chip on his shoulders. Was it JJ who planted the flag? Did I miss that or was that just thrown into your post? Anyway dumb question on your part
That is not a chip on his shoulder that is him being an arrogant a$$hole. If you like his behavior that's cool. You seem to be one of the only ones on here that does.
Why do you people say things like, 'may or may not have deserved, by getting the last playoff berth. So Mr.Strom, who did deserve it more than OSU. Who played that much better and had a better resume. I know they lost that last game by 22, had a few other games closer than fans liked, so who should have got in ahead of them, based on what?
Why is USC stock down? Nobody picked them to be a top 4 team heading into this last weekend.
Michigan threat level- it is high. No more “I am not worried about them” and “over rated “ tags for the future.
Revenge - can we put that to bed for now? We have a much taller task with our next game.
Heisman - Duggan would get my vote followed by Williams and Stroud. Disappointed in CJ game down the stretch by its time to shine on the biggest stage of his life. This next game is worth millions.
Tulane in the playoffs? That makes me puke. Seriously? That’s what a 12 team playoff brings. I wouldn’t watch one second of that game.
I agree on Tulane, but do we think the bottom 1/3 of the 12 are going to be much better? As we’ve seen between the BSC system and playoffs, there are only about 2-3 national championship level teams a year. There might be the odd year with 4-5 teams, but most of the time it’s just 2 teams.
I'm in the minority, I know. But expanding the playoffs is a bad idea. Each year, there aren't but 2 or 3 teams good enough to actually win the natty. Pretending that there are 12 teams that could win it all is silly. Then again, we live in a pretend world. It's about the TV money.
College football has a long history of upsets. Ask bama this year about being favored to win. Ask us about it. Ask us about being the underdog. Will the favored couple teams usually win it? Yea probably but not always and that’s the point.
Don't be silly, more than 2-3 teams have a chance, they just never get their shot in the playoffs. There are plenty of others that are good enough to win it all. Just this year, Alabama, USC, Utah, Tennessee, KSU, and PSU, all are good enough to win it all. Think back to Buckeye teams in 2015, 2017, and 2018 they were good enough for sure. Wisconsin 2017, UCF 2017, PSU 2017, and Baylor 2015 are a few I can think off the top of my head that could have made a serious run but we will never know because their resume was not good enough by committee standards.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
^^ Then we should’ve hung 100 on them instead of an embarrassing 23. How does a team completely fall apart during their first drive in the 2nd half leading by 3? Zero adjustments and poor coaching that’s how.
Until we beat TFTUN they’ve earned the right to talk smack all they want.
You can say all the wonderful things you want to try a minimize the pain and suffering but the fact is Day and Knowles completely blew it 2 Saturdays ago. Ok Ryan, show us how dangerous of a team we’ll be in 26 days when you had 365 days to prepare for TFTUN.
I really like the idea of the 12 team playoff, for the simple fact that we fairly often see a team who loses a game or two early on in the season who then catches lightning in a bottle and gets red hot at the end of the season, only to see their season end in a meaningless bowl game on a Thursday night between Christmas and NYE. We do see upsets in football, case in point this past weekend.
My point being, why should it always be Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, OSU, UM, etc. etc that get in? It shouldn't, because we all know there are teams that play far better at the end of the season than they do at the beginning for the simple fact that sometimes it takes a few weeks for things to come together.
All that background noise about "too many teams" is big-schools trying to run interference so they don't have to play a team with more balls than talent and potentially risk getting knocked off. Imagine if Boise St. actually had a chance to get in back in the day?
I'll watch college kids play football no matter who is playing, and I would vote for Max Duggan 100x for Heisman before I ever considered Kaleb Williams.
In my opinion JSN could play !! we dont even know for sure what this guys injury is .He owes it to The Brotherhood and The School !! you know the one where he got his SCHOLARSHIP
Ohio State Football isnt a matter of life or death,its much more serious than that.
This complaiming is all about you all thinking with him they might have beat ttun and without him they might not beat Georgia. You are the selfish ones. You are the me me me type. You are the reason fans are the worst thing about sports. Keep talking crap about others if you need to but it won’t make you any better.
Agreed, if he could play - looking at those around him who want so badly to win the title and regain their confidence I am certain he would. My greater worry is that Trey Henderson foolishly plays. This is not the time for ruining his football career. Get surgery and lay it down either here or at another school. I write that painfully because if that was my son who the staff kept letting go out there with THAT much damage to his foot - HE WOULD BE ON THE FIRST THING SMOKING!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
What if we let jsn rest until the ttun game? Do you think he would have been perfectly healthy and not still trying to play through something not fully healed?
Stock down: Jim Knowles defense! Yes he improved from last year’s defense. But coming in from the beginning and saying you are basically okay with limiting the opponent to 5 explosive plays a game? Well that’s 5 TD’s against Ttun and will be the same against Georgia. Better button that up Knowles….
They always try to explain away why they make the choices that they make. The CFP committee first decides who they want ranked 1-4 and then they twist their narrative to fit their picks. Instead, they should use the metrics available to determine who’s 1-4.
TCU should have dropped to #4 after their loss, plain and simple. Georgia got screwed by having to play Ohio State in the semifinal instead of TCU. TCU is the worst team in the final four.
It's really tough to drop a team whose first loss was in their conference championship. If USC would've won their conference championship game, you 100% would have seen them jump TCU to #3.
Truly think the committee didn't want to "punish" TCU for their only loss being in their championship, whereas OSU would be "rewarded" for sitting at home.
Punishing is one thing. Putting each team where they "deserve" to be is another matter.
Look at it from a couple different angles.
Look at the Vegas odds. Georgia is favored to win the CFP (something like -145). TTUN is next at +500, Ohio State at +550, and TCU at somewhere near +2500. That is one way to rank the teams.
Georgia is considered, by far, the best team in the CFP this year...TCU is the worst. Some might say that Georgia is being punished because they have to play Ohio State instead of TCU. TTUN gets the easiest draw in the semifinal, even though they aren't considered the best team. I would like what someone suggested either here or on a podcast. The #1 team gets to choose where they will play its first round game. Why not let them also choose their first round opponent?
If Ohio State was the clear #1 team and had to play Georgia instead of TCU, our fan base would be as unhappy about that as the Georgia fanbase currently is.
Ohio State lost to the #3 team in the CFP standings and TCU lost to the #10 team in the CFP standings. TCU also had many close games where they had to escape late to pull out a win. Ohio State won by double digits in every game that they won.
Could go on but it is all a moot point because the CFP committee shifts the goal posts every week to determine its rankings. Things are now set and in a month we will have a CFP champion.
Going undefeated is extremely difficult in a power 5 conference, regardless of the conference. Throw the odds out the window. Bama was favored in all their games this season and was likely 1-2 in the preseason odds to make the playoffs and win the NC. How did that work out? Vegas should never be a factor in any ranking. At some point success on the field has to be a critical factor in the selection process. Undefeated regular season power 5 team, who lost by 3 in OT during a power 5 conference championship, against a team they had to play twice in the same year and beat the first time, is deserving of #3 this season. Besides, Ohio State likely still plays Georgia and Michigan if they can win out.
In 2019, Ohio State was an undefeated regular season power 5 team, who won by double digits during a power 5 conference championship, against a team they had to play twice in the same year and beat the first time.
Yet the CFP committee dropped us one spot in the final rankings. Why should a team that lost under similar circumstances be permitted to retain its spot in the CFP standings? Also, Wisconsin had two losses when we played them a second time, Kansas State had three losses (one to Tulane!) and escaped with a couple of other close wins.
I thought Ohio State was the best team in 2019 and was dropped so an SEC team wouldn’t have to play Clemson and then Ohio State. The SEC officials helped ensure Ohio State wasn’t in the NC game.
With that said, I see this as a completely different situation and agree with TCU at #3. If I’m Georgia or a fan who understands the teams this year, I would rather face TCU or even Michigan in the first round. Ohio State is a bad match up compared to the other two.
I'm not sure that I understand your take. Georgia will play "bully-ball" like Michigan. Only Georgia is better at it. Hate to say it, but I expect Georgia to run over us.
Georgia the past two years has shown one real weakness and that’s a team with a good passing offense. Last year in the SEC championship Alabama used a heavy dose of passing and beat Georgia by three TDs. However, the Alabama receivers were banged up in the NC and Georgia won. This season Georgia had a few games against inferior teams who kept it close because they are heavy passing teams, including a bad Kent State. Ohio State has the best receiving group and individual in the nation. I’m I saying Ohio State is going to win? Nope. However, if Day can put together a 2020 Clemson like game plan, it could get very interesting.
TCU should have dropped a spot by losing an extra game in OT against a Top10 team while we got to sit at home and risk nothing? What would we have added to our resume to suggest we were now better than them? I get that people want to see TCU drop because they lost a game but let's realize we were on the couch at home and they still finished 12-1. Had they lost convincingly sure i'd agree but I can't imagine them penalizing them 1 spot and rewarding us with 2 spots for doing nothing.
Just simply for a second imagine that was us at 3 and TCU was 5 sitting on the outside doing nothing but watching from their sofa's and we lost a 3 point game in OT and they jumped us while we had to play an extra game. We would be livid.
TCU should have dropped to #4 after their loss, plain and simple.
So a team that is undefeated and loses in overtime in their championship game should go below a team that lost by over 20 points at home and didn’t even play in a championship game? You are obviously talking with your heart and not sure head.
By the way, do you think all the paper Heisman Trophy ballots are in by now? Hope USPS has improved their service.
Stock Down: the state of College Football this year
Cost of Football Tickets and Concessions are extortionate
Ryan Day’s Paycheck is $800,000.00 every Month
Players are allowing themselves to be turned into Mercenaries. Some will attend 3 different universities
As of 2024 Season, the Game becomes Meaningless. Both teams go to Playoffs anyways
USC & UCLA joining Big 10…now a parent from West Coast has to fly all the way to Columbus, AA, State College to see their son play every week. Students from West Coast have to fly across the country for Every game. What a waste of resources
The only winner I see is Money. UCLA said they are coming only for the Money. If this is what we want, we got it!
All this money floating around, but vast majority of OSU football players will not earn One Cent for all of their efforts. If the guys at the top get paid, Everybody should get paid + their already nice scholarship. At least Share the Wealth!
Hopefully without this a violation of site terms... don't forget to worship at the altar of MORE today. It's the deity of our country and species in general.
which puts the Buckeyes in their fourth CFP in nine years
This is their 5th in 9 years - 2014 season, 2016, 2019, 2020, and now 2022.
We know now what we all suspected, and I'm glad we know about JSN now, rather than get our hopes up.
JJ McCarthy runs his mouth like Harbaugh did. As much as I don't like it, he has backed up his talk last year (All we know is beating Ohio State) with another win this year. Now "please please bring it on"? McCarthy will still be running his mouth if the championship game doesn't include Michigan - He will always have one up on us. I have no doubt the Buckeyes will win it all this year. I just hope it includes a rematch against those cockroaches from up north.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Stock Down: 'fans' who didn't want a spot in the CFP out of fear of getting beat, probably the same 'fans' bashing Jaxon Smith Njigba for getting injured in a comeback attempt and missing said CFP
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
Stock Down: 'fans' who didn't want a spot in the CFP out of fear of getting beat
Lot of embarrassing and dumb ass comments about that going on around here. And if we do get taken to the woodshed, they will all be saying, I told you.
Max Duggan has much more toughness than our QB. CJ has excellent passing skills, but won't do whatever it takes to win. In fact, and it pains me to write this, but McCarthy seems to have much more toughness than CJ. On the last subject, I'm tired of seeing McCarthy run his mouth about us. But he has earned the right to do that until we beat him.
I honestly cannot believe how trashy Caleb Williams and USC are for letting him go on the field and national TV representing USC and the P12 with “FUCK UTAH” on his fingernails. And he’s been doing that all year. I’m not some puritanical saint getting the vapors here, but man it’s just not a good look for any of the USC coaches, players, or administrators. They LET him do this every week. LET. I promise that wouldn’t fly in the NFL. Hopefully the Heisman voters are paying attention. What a total POS.
Michigan arrogance at its finest. If all comes from Harbaugh. OSU had its chance. They coulda run their mouths too... for like 2 decades. But Tressel or Urban woulda never allowed that.
This is where I wish we had urban he was the best motivator in the game especially when he was a underdog… we don’t really know how good of a motivator Ryan day is but we were underdogs against bama in 2020 and got completely blown out. Urban use to thrive in these games on a big stage where everyone doubted his team.
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With JSN being the first pakyer to optmoutnof an opportunity to win a title, what will we see when we have 12 teams in the playoffs? IMO there will be many more optimg out, especially on teams that really don't have a chance to win it. They asked to get paid and they got what they wanted. If they are getting paid, they should play. Bottom line: the NCAA laid a big turd with sitting buy and letting NIL get out of hand, confernce expansion, the transfer portal becoming what it is and the expansion to 12 teams.
College football is dead! RIP!
Hector m Rivera
You read the headline and not the story right?
jSN checked out a while ago. Reports are he quit quit attending classes. Hard for me to believe that a Dr told him he couldn't play 3-4 weeks from today? I think it was hai agent who convinced him not to play. And besides, if you ahd a chance to win a title, wouldn't you give it a shot?
Hector m Rivera
Other reports are that the 3rd hamstring injury against Iowa was a different spot on the hamstring and probably a grade 2 (partial tear) which is what Darren Waller has for the Raiders and has missed 8 weeks with so far.
"going to hang 100 on them." -Ryan Day
Just another WR me me diva type i'm sick of guys like him .
wiremans
This is a great example of recruiting the wrong people. JSN is highly-talented, but he's all about himself. Can't wait till he's gone. I'd rather have a lesser-skilled player who'll do anything to win than a selfish player like JSN.
Class of ‘71
You're an asshole.
To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.
He’s not opting out. He’s inured FFS
Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan.
You have no idea if he is still injured. None of us do. He's guaranteed millions of dollars this spring and he's protecting himself whether he is injured or not.
Ohio Against the World
True, no one really knows for sure. As a Buckeye fan I want to see JSN come back, but putting my common sense hat on, with millions of dollars at stake, it is not a hard decision to protect yourself physically and financially at this point after having spent the season injured. Injured or not injured, not playing these games is the smart decision in JSN's case. I can't fault him either way.
What would Chris Spielman, AJ Hawk, Archie Griffin, Mike Doss do?
You and I know that question doesn’t even need a response. They were legends and they’d swim the Olentangy to play
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary concept, it’s wise to join the revolution
Buckeye players at HEART, not just in uniform.
If he's still injured that's a huge red flag for the draft that he's injury prone or soft or worse yet both.
wiremans
He is not playing because of his doctors advice. I truly believe if he was healthy without further risk of injury, he would be playing.
Lol you mean his agent's advice? This is an opt out just like Jamarr Chase in 2020. It's been obvious for awhile.
Ohio Against the World
Pretty pumped I got to come in and assess your post and downvote it to my contentedness. You're entitled to an opinion, but this is dog shit.
The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!
Why? You don't know if he's really still hurt or not. Only 2 things are possilbe either 1) he isn't hurt and is choosing not to play or 2) he's still not healthy from an injury he suffered all the way back in week 1. Both of those things are concerning. I get it man, gotta protect your money, its just unfortunate. If this was Braxton Miller, JT, or Justin Fields, there is zero chance they sit this game out.
Ohio Against the World
JSN is injured not just hurt. Quick twitch is how this man will make his career path in the NFL, which means make life changing money. He has tried to comeback and truthfully what I wish for was a LONG view after Toledo where the staff sat his emotional ass down and said we can risk losing ANY other game except The Game. You are done until Maryland and then a 25-rep count to prepare for Michigan.
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
I've seen rumors that he's been training the last few weeks and stopped going to classes awhile ago. If those rumors are true, he's a soft kid that doesn't care about his teammates and competing for a title. If your focus is to get to the NFL and make money, that's fine but don't preach all this bullshit about The Brotherhood and all that crap. Also, unless you have an inside source or you are his doctor, you have no idea how injured he is or is not. To me, this an op out just like Jamarr Chase did in 2020.
Ohio Against the World
So how would you know if all of these “rumors” are true? Do you have an inside source?
Yeah, it sure seems like an opt out. There's a chance he's far more injured than we were led to believe BUT I've heard from a few different people that he's been training pretty hard the last few weeks. More power to him if this is the path that gives him the best opportunity going forward but I personally believe that showing out in the playoffs would have made him a lot more money come April.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Exactly where did you seen these rumors. Be specific
This is pathetic. I don't know if he's still injured or not, but he hasn't really been on the field the whole season. This is some self-serving anger coming out, like he did this to hurt you personally. I'm a huge Buckeye fan, and have been my entire cognizant life, and felt the pain of the Cooper years. I saw the initial injury, and he attempted multiple returns. We (the team) plays with who is available, and he isn't. Take your judgmental anger somewhere else, JSN doesn't deserve it.
"The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender." Woody Hayes
Marvin Harrison is the best player in college football!
Hector m Rivera
You are right HM. There are some really good defensive players out there also. This year is a weak field and it's time to select a real best college player like Marvin.
Yes, I’m 100% biased and a Michigan hater so take this for what it’s worth. I think later year’s Michigan team was the real deal and benefited from keeping players around 5-6 years with the COVID extra year. I’m not sold on Michigan this year, they played a very easy schedule, including the B1G championship game, and Ohio State crapped the bed with the game plan.
Shatinkycat1
You're not the only one.
ibleedscarletandgray
I second the motion!
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
That's exactly how most people who have watched Michigan all season feel.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Here are the 5th- and 6th-year players who were contributors in 2021 for Michigan:
Three of those guys were starters (Vastardis at C, Ross at LB and Hawkins at FS). Robbins is a punter; Honigford (TE) and Baldwin (WR) had 18 catches combined.
Covid year or no, three graduate starters isn’t very many. Not sure how that narrative got started.
Fuck Michigan
ibleedscarletandgray
Stock up. BIG
stock down Alabama
you have the number one recruiting class about every year and you lose twice and should have lost to both Texas teams. See ya Saban. Your time has come.
Fire Kevin Warren
As much as we laughed about Day saying "this could be a dangerous team" after losing to Michigan by 22, what I saw out of Nick Saban on Saturday was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.
"We didn't play with enough force tonight"
Everyone keeps saying that. What was he supposed to say? We suck? We don’t deserve a shot? He is supposed to fight and lobby for his team. Some of what he is said is spot on as much as we may not like it.
His argument that Alabama deserved to be in the playoff because of Vegas point spreads was laughable. Perhaps he forgot that his team was favored in both of the games they lost this year?
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Saban's getting upstaged by the AFLAC goat these days.
Didn’t saban last year say a team with 2 losses shouldn’t get in?
Doug
He also said he wasn't leaving the Dolphins to coach Alabama
nominated... LOL!
GO BUCKEYES!
1-2 sucks!
All coaches who leave say that.
That cameo appearance by Saban was embarrassing and infuriating at the same time. This was broadcast during the B1G championship game by FOX, the network that has a lucrative arrangement with the B1G to broadcast their games. The B1G should find a way to cause them some pain for that. WTF? You bring Nick Saban, Satan of the SEC, on your broadcast to throw shade on Ohio State (and USC, to be fair) about getting beat badly at the end of the season? Why don't you give Hated Dabo equal time? Are you kidding me? What was the point of that? Remember, the CFP hadn't voted yet. FOX gave Saban a platform on national TV to promote his team elbowing out a B1G team? At half-time of the B1G Championship Game? WHAT? Fortunately he came off as a sad old man with a bad dye job, whining about Bryce Young not being 100% when they lost 2 games and how they were playing better there toward the end of the season. How many teams are 100% after week 1 of the season, Nick? Come on. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, Buster.
JTatumCCS
I agree. DB move by Saban, and FOX TV...
GO BUCKEYES!
1-2 sucks!
I didn't understand that decision by Fox as well. Over on CBS, the crew are SEC focused and pushing that conference's teams for the playoffs. Fox needs to do the same.
BernardBuckeye
Stock down: season ending hammy for JSN...once he re-aggravated it against Toledo, it was a foregone conclusion he was done
Stock up: Hartline staying, possibly (probably?) as our new OC
Stock down: Griffin Strom (sorry, buddy!)...I don't care how well Harbaugh's season is going, there is no need to feature him in this column--unless it's in the "Stock Down" category.
Stock up: players entering the portal for better opportunities to play, while opening up roster (ie scholly) spots for future Buckeyes..IMO, it's a win-win
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
JJ McCarthy is such an arrogant a$$hole!!!
Throughout all of the winning OSU did against the team up North since 2001 never once have any of the players been so arrogant and disrespectful as the Team Up North players have been over the last 2 years.
Go Buckeyes!
Let’s not throw the arrogance comments out there. Did we not learn anything from losing 2 years in a row and with all the 20-30 point predictions on winning those two games? In his defense, he felt slighted on how his recruitment was handled. Many of us may have been salty over that.
Bucks19, watch that video again. Edwards handled that question properly, McCarthy did not. If you are OK with McCarthy's attitude were you OK with them planting a flag on the 50 yard line of The Shoe?? Were you OK with it when Oklahoma did it??
Go Buckeyes!
I am OK with a quarterback, have an attitude and a chip on his shoulders. Was it JJ who planted the flag? Did I miss that or was that just thrown into your post? Anyway dumb question on your part
That is not a chip on his shoulder that is him being an arrogant a$$hole. If you like his behavior that's cool. You seem to be one of the only ones on here that does.
Go Buckeyes!
Who the fuck cares if he felt salty about his recruitment lmfao awww poor jj, fuck that kid he's a fucking bum, thank fuck we passed on him
ibleedscarletandgray
Right our head coach only said that he was going to "hang a hundred on them" We can't even hang 30 on them now
bobbyd
Why do you people say things like, 'may or may not have deserved, by getting the last playoff berth. So Mr.Strom, who did deserve it more than OSU. Who played that much better and had a better resume. I know they lost that last game by 22, had a few other games closer than fans liked, so who should have got in ahead of them, based on what?
Why is USC stock down? Nobody picked them to be a top 4 team heading into this last weekend.
Michigan threat level- it is high. No more “I am not worried about them” and “over rated “ tags for the future.
Revenge - can we put that to bed for now? We have a much taller task with our next game.
Heisman - Duggan would get my vote followed by Williams and Stroud. Disappointed in CJ game down the stretch by its time to shine on the biggest stage of his life. This next game is worth millions.
Tulane in the playoffs? That makes me puke. Seriously? That’s what a 12 team playoff brings. I wouldn’t watch one second of that game.
I agree on Tulane, but do we think the bottom 1/3 of the 12 are going to be much better? As we’ve seen between the BSC system and playoffs, there are only about 2-3 national championship level teams a year. There might be the odd year with 4-5 teams, but most of the time it’s just 2 teams.
Shatinkycat1
I'm in the minority, I know. But expanding the playoffs is a bad idea. Each year, there aren't but 2 or 3 teams good enough to actually win the natty. Pretending that there are 12 teams that could win it all is silly. Then again, we live in a pretend world. It's about the TV money.
College football has a long history of upsets. Ask bama this year about being favored to win. Ask us about it. Ask us about being the underdog. Will the favored couple teams usually win it? Yea probably but not always and that’s the point.
Don't be silly, more than 2-3 teams have a chance, they just never get their shot in the playoffs. There are plenty of others that are good enough to win it all. Just this year, Alabama, USC, Utah, Tennessee, KSU, and PSU, all are good enough to win it all. Think back to Buckeye teams in 2015, 2017, and 2018 they were good enough for sure. Wisconsin 2017, UCF 2017, PSU 2017, and Baylor 2015 are a few I can think off the top of my head that could have made a serious run but we will never know because their resume was not good enough by committee standards.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
You are not in the minority
^^ Then we should’ve hung 100 on them instead of an embarrassing 23. How does a team completely fall apart during their first drive in the 2nd half leading by 3? Zero adjustments and poor coaching that’s how.
Until we beat TFTUN they’ve earned the right to talk smack all they want.
You can say all the wonderful things you want to try a minimize the pain and suffering but the fact is Day and Knowles completely blew it 2 Saturdays ago. Ok Ryan, show us how dangerous of a team we’ll be in 26 days when you had 365 days to prepare for TFTUN.
I know I’m hiding it well but I’m still bitter.
osuflash
This comes to mind. I'm buying stock in The Ohio State Buckeyes 2022 Football Team being Rocky Balboa in the second half of Rocky III.
Whatever happened yesterday is in the PAST. You can change in the PRESENT to WIN NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
But you gotta want it more than them. And you're gonna have to work like Hell to get to Heaven ON EVERYTHING.
EDIT: Duplicate
By my count it is their 5th: 2014, 2016, 2019, 2020, 2022
I feel like this is our 5th Playoff Berth, not our 4th.
2014, 2016, 2019, 2020, 2022 makes 5, right?
Edit: Stock down for my posting quickness lol
4 is correct.
We were invited but didn’t show up in 2016.
The ‘19 team was our best ever.
I really like the idea of the 12 team playoff, for the simple fact that we fairly often see a team who loses a game or two early on in the season who then catches lightning in a bottle and gets red hot at the end of the season, only to see their season end in a meaningless bowl game on a Thursday night between Christmas and NYE. We do see upsets in football, case in point this past weekend.
My point being, why should it always be Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, OSU, UM, etc. etc that get in? It shouldn't, because we all know there are teams that play far better at the end of the season than they do at the beginning for the simple fact that sometimes it takes a few weeks for things to come together.
All that background noise about "too many teams" is big-schools trying to run interference so they don't have to play a team with more balls than talent and potentially risk getting knocked off. Imagine if Boise St. actually had a chance to get in back in the day?
I'll watch college kids play football no matter who is playing, and I would vote for Max Duggan 100x for Heisman before I ever considered Kaleb Williams.
Go Bucks!
I agree. Plus, who wouldn’t want to watch Utah get a chance after pounding USC.
B Buehler
In my opinion JSN could play !! we dont even know for sure what this guys injury is .He owes it to The Brotherhood and The School !! you know the one where he got his SCHOLARSHIP
Ohio State Football isnt a matter of life or death,its much more serious than that.
Honor has left the building.
..and $$$ has taken it's place
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
This complaiming is all about you all thinking with him they might have beat ttun and without him they might not beat Georgia. You are the selfish ones. You are the me me me type. You are the reason fans are the worst thing about sports. Keep talking crap about others if you need to but it won’t make you any better.
Agreed, if he could play - looking at those around him who want so badly to win the title and regain their confidence I am certain he would. My greater worry is that Trey Henderson foolishly plays. This is not the time for ruining his football career. Get surgery and lay it down either here or at another school. I write that painfully because if that was my son who the staff kept letting go out there with THAT much damage to his foot - HE WOULD BE ON THE FIRST THING SMOKING!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
Bad look for Saben…pitiful. JSN wasn’t playing, O don’t blame him, we needed to move on and it appears we did. Speed is missed no doubt.
I don't like quitters like JSN has proven himself to be.
wiremans
What if we let jsn rest until the ttun game? Do you think he would have been perfectly healthy and not still trying to play through something not fully healed?
he was done the minute he pulled the hammy...reason? excuse?...does it really matter???
Faster, tougher, and more violent...
He's a me me diva oh i might get hurt type, he's saying forget that brotherhood BS.
wiremans
He decided to hang it up for the year at halftime of the ND game. The writing was on the wall all year that he wasn't that interested in coming back.
Ohio Against the World
Go away
Stock down: Jim Knowles defense! Yes he improved from last year’s defense. But coming in from the beginning and saying you are basically okay with limiting the opponent to 5 explosive plays a game? Well that’s 5 TD’s against Ttun and will be the same against Georgia. Better button that up Knowles….
Artthedart
Stock down: CFP committee.
They always try to explain away why they make the choices that they make. The CFP committee first decides who they want ranked 1-4 and then they twist their narrative to fit their picks. Instead, they should use the metrics available to determine who’s 1-4.
TCU should have dropped to #4 after their loss, plain and simple. Georgia got screwed by having to play Ohio State in the semifinal instead of TCU. TCU is the worst team in the final four.
It's really tough to drop a team whose first loss was in their conference championship. If USC would've won their conference championship game, you 100% would have seen them jump TCU to #3.
Truly think the committee didn't want to "punish" TCU for their only loss being in their championship, whereas OSU would be "rewarded" for sitting at home.
@StephenToski
Punishing is one thing. Putting each team where they "deserve" to be is another matter.
Look at it from a couple different angles.
Look at the Vegas odds. Georgia is favored to win the CFP (something like -145). TTUN is next at +500, Ohio State at +550, and TCU at somewhere near +2500. That is one way to rank the teams.
Georgia is considered, by far, the best team in the CFP this year...TCU is the worst. Some might say that Georgia is being punished because they have to play Ohio State instead of TCU. TTUN gets the easiest draw in the semifinal, even though they aren't considered the best team. I would like what someone suggested either here or on a podcast. The #1 team gets to choose where they will play its first round game. Why not let them also choose their first round opponent?
If Ohio State was the clear #1 team and had to play Georgia instead of TCU, our fan base would be as unhappy about that as the Georgia fanbase currently is.
Ohio State lost to the #3 team in the CFP standings and TCU lost to the #10 team in the CFP standings. TCU also had many close games where they had to escape late to pull out a win. Ohio State won by double digits in every game that they won.
Could go on but it is all a moot point because the CFP committee shifts the goal posts every week to determine its rankings. Things are now set and in a month we will have a CFP champion.
Going undefeated is extremely difficult in a power 5 conference, regardless of the conference. Throw the odds out the window. Bama was favored in all their games this season and was likely 1-2 in the preseason odds to make the playoffs and win the NC. How did that work out? Vegas should never be a factor in any ranking. At some point success on the field has to be a critical factor in the selection process. Undefeated regular season power 5 team, who lost by 3 in OT during a power 5 conference championship, against a team they had to play twice in the same year and beat the first time, is deserving of #3 this season. Besides, Ohio State likely still plays Georgia and Michigan if they can win out.
Shatinkycat1
One question with your CG theory.
In 2019, Ohio State was an undefeated regular season power 5 team, who won by double digits during a power 5 conference championship, against a team they had to play twice in the same year and beat the first time.
Yet the CFP committee dropped us one spot in the final rankings. Why should a team that lost under similar circumstances be permitted to retain its spot in the CFP standings? Also, Wisconsin had two losses when we played them a second time, Kansas State had three losses (one to Tulane!) and escaped with a couple of other close wins.
I thought Ohio State was the best team in 2019 and was dropped so an SEC team wouldn’t have to play Clemson and then Ohio State. The SEC officials helped ensure Ohio State wasn’t in the NC game.
Shatinkycat1
I agree with that take. Also, the CFP committee wanted the SEC champ in Atlanta instead of Arizona.
With that said, I see this as a completely different situation and agree with TCU at #3. If I’m Georgia or a fan who understands the teams this year, I would rather face TCU or even Michigan in the first round. Ohio State is a bad match up compared to the other two.
Shatinkycat1
I'm not sure that I understand your take. Georgia will play "bully-ball" like Michigan. Only Georgia is better at it. Hate to say it, but I expect Georgia to run over us.
Class of ‘71
Georgia the past two years has shown one real weakness and that’s a team with a good passing offense. Last year in the SEC championship Alabama used a heavy dose of passing and beat Georgia by three TDs. However, the Alabama receivers were banged up in the NC and Georgia won. This season Georgia had a few games against inferior teams who kept it close because they are heavy passing teams, including a bad Kent State. Ohio State has the best receiving group and individual in the nation. I’m I saying Ohio State is going to win? Nope. However, if Day can put together a 2020 Clemson like game plan, it could get very interesting.
Shatinkycat1
Absolutely not.
TCU should have dropped a spot by losing an extra game in OT against a Top10 team while we got to sit at home and risk nothing? What would we have added to our resume to suggest we were now better than them? I get that people want to see TCU drop because they lost a game but let's realize we were on the couch at home and they still finished 12-1. Had they lost convincingly sure i'd agree but I can't imagine them penalizing them 1 spot and rewarding us with 2 spots for doing nothing.
Just simply for a second imagine that was us at 3 and TCU was 5 sitting on the outside doing nothing but watching from their sofa's and we lost a 3 point game in OT and they jumped us while we had to play an extra game. We would be livid.
So a team that is undefeated and loses in overtime in their championship game should go below a team that lost by over 20 points at home and didn’t even play in a championship game? You are obviously talking with your heart and not sure head.
By the way, do you think all the paper Heisman Trophy ballots are in by now? Hope USPS has improved their service.
Stock Down: the state of College Football this year
Cost of Football Tickets and Concessions are extortionate
Ryan Day’s Paycheck is $800,000.00 every Month
Players are allowing themselves to be turned into Mercenaries. Some will attend 3 different universities
As of 2024 Season, the Game becomes Meaningless. Both teams go to Playoffs anyways
USC & UCLA joining Big 10…now a parent from West Coast has to fly all the way to Columbus, AA, State College to see their son play every week. Students from West Coast have to fly across the country for Every game. What a waste of resources
The only winner I see is Money. UCLA said they are coming only for the Money. If this is what we want, we got it!
All this money floating around, but vast majority of OSU football players will not earn One Cent for all of their efforts. If the guys at the top get paid, Everybody should get paid + their already nice scholarship. At least Share the Wealth!
PacificCoastBuckeye
Sickest country in the world.
Hopefully without this a violation of site terms... don't forget to worship at the altar of MORE today. It's the deity of our country and species in general.
Um yes!! It’s obvious. And nothing wrong with that. They are seriously hurting for money.
Wrong. This year and others will be playing for a Bye week. That’s big
Please NFL - give Jimmy a great offer.
Westashleybuckeye
This is their 5th in 9 years - 2014 season, 2016, 2019, 2020, and now 2022.
We know now what we all suspected, and I'm glad we know about JSN now, rather than get our hopes up.
JJ McCarthy runs his mouth like Harbaugh did. As much as I don't like it, he has backed up his talk last year (All we know is beating Ohio State) with another win this year. Now "please please bring it on"? McCarthy will still be running his mouth if the championship game doesn't include Michigan - He will always have one up on us. I have no doubt the Buckeyes will win it all this year. I just hope it includes a rematch against those cockroaches from up north.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Stock Down: 'fans' who didn't want a spot in the CFP out of fear of getting beat, probably the same 'fans' bashing Jaxon Smith Njigba for getting injured in a comeback attempt and missing said CFP
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
Lot of embarrassing and dumb ass comments about that going on around here. And if we do get taken to the woodshed, they will all be saying, I told you.
Max Duggan has much more toughness than our QB. CJ has excellent passing skills, but won't do whatever it takes to win. In fact, and it pains me to write this, but McCarthy seems to have much more toughness than CJ. On the last subject, I'm tired of seeing McCarthy run his mouth about us. But he has earned the right to do that until we beat him.
Class of ‘71
I honestly cannot believe how trashy Caleb Williams and USC are for letting him go on the field and national TV representing USC and the P12 with “FUCK UTAH” on his fingernails. And he’s been doing that all year. I’m not some puritanical saint getting the vapors here, but man it’s just not a good look for any of the USC coaches, players, or administrators. They LET him do this every week. LET. I promise that wouldn’t fly in the NFL. Hopefully the Heisman voters are paying attention. What a total POS.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Michigan arrogance at its finest. If all comes from Harbaugh. OSU had its chance. They coulda run their mouths too... for like 2 decades. But Tressel or Urban woulda never allowed that.
Yes, Cali, the great John Wooden talked about how to win.
He did not mean with scoring more points.
He meant with class, integrity, sportsmanship.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
This is where I wish we had urban he was the best motivator in the game especially when he was a underdog… we don’t really know how good of a motivator Ryan day is but we were underdogs against bama in 2020 and got completely blown out. Urban use to thrive in these games on a big stage where everyone doubted his team.
Caleb nause
Buckeye Homer, but Lindsey Scott damn