All these guys talking shit about Michigan were the same people who did last year. Until they dominated us. And then you don't hear a word or they come up with a bunch of bullshit excuses
Why? Most people know that it's bad to hit someone. They also know that if you do what mcburrow did when he did it - you're likely going to get hit. Everyone involved will learn valuable lessons the hard way. The MSU players will be convicted on criminal charges and mcburrow will know where that line is and never cross it again. Harbaugh, on the other hand, won't learn shit and he'll continue to allow this clusterfuck tunnel situation to boil over.
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Bears might work. 1985 seems like just yesterday! They can't come close to the utter disappointment the browns can bring. Hoping they can actually give Fields some help before they give up on him!
Devin Gardner is one of the classiest individuals to ever take the field on either side of The Game. Here's to hoping that both teams live up to his high standards on Nov 26th.
He's my favorite TTUN player of all time. I watched him in a charity bowling event and he's not a terrible bowler either. Although he's a big guy and I don't think they had a drill bit big enough to drill balls to fit his hand lol
It always seems impossible until it's done.
~Nelson Mandela~
When I heard about what happened in the tunnel, this picture of Devin and JT was one of the first things I thought of. In a rivalry, you need to do everything within the bounds of the rules and safety to beat your rival, but it’s also important to respect your rival as a person. This picture exemplifies what a true rivalry should be. And that’s far from what happened this past Saturday.
This was one of my favorite moments in college football. Obviously not JT breaking his ankle, but the class Devin Gardner showed that day, was remarkable. I wouldn't expect this from Harbaugh's players though. Classless coach, leads to classless players.
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
I just realized, I got downvoted on another Eleven Warriors article for saying most of the same things that was said in this Threat Level article... glad the Eleven Warriors writers understand my point.
It always seems impossible until it's done.
~Nelson Mandela~
Agreed... Any OSU fan who can't respect the level of, well, respect that Gardner showed... they can just take a hike. Classiest move probably ever in The Game... he'll always be good for a beer on my tab anytime.
Rivalries have always been, and should always be, about respect first and foremost. What happened Saturday night was not respectful at all and I am glad it is being dealt with appropriately.
Respectfully disagree. This rivalry is about beating their ass every year for the rest of eternity. Respect? Don't be a dick but hit them as hard as possible on the field.
It IS respectful to hit them as hard as possible on the field. To do any less is disrespectful. And they aren't a rival if you don't respect the hell out of them and The Game. That's why it's called The Game after all. Go Buckeyes! Respect Xichigan 100-0!
And very good and timely Threat Level. It appears that Xichigan is a threat to themselves.
We must absolutely respect THE GAME, the rivalry, and what they are always capable of. Sometime after Woody Hayes, the Buckeyes lost respect, thus the 90's. Ichigan lost respect for us BECAUSE of the 90's and we beat that ass silly for over 20 years. They are a disrespectful people and don't deserve any respect but we must never stop respecting and never let the 90's happen again.
I promise you that the Michigan program and most of their fans have zero respect for the Buckeyes and their fans. They believe themselves to be morally and intellectually superior
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One of the most mind blowing things I have ever read was on a comedy site (which sadly died in 2016). Similar to this article one of the funniest writers would occasionally write something extremely serious and needed. In one such article, he pointed out that saying "I hope that rapist get raped in prison" doesn't even the score; it makes the score Rape 2 Society 0. Wishing violence on someone is never the answer.
Negativity is a choice I seldom make. Everything has a positive spin. Sometimes you simply have to look a little harder
We as a society determine the punishment for crime. We should not be happy or okay with someone usurping that power and taking justice into their own hands. Rule of Law, and all that.
If a person wants to have rapists raped as punishment, they should campaign to change our laws (and likely our Constitution) to legally implement that.
Institutional lack of control, sure.
Lack of investigation of recruit character, obviously.
But this is really new at least to me -- the only thing missing was a skateboard upside the head of the Michigan player who fairly clearly was just trying to get a shower.
Root for injuries is just a euphemism when UM and MSU battle.. not like this. Good thing they found the cameras with the angle to identify the guilty.
Totally support criminal charges and actual jail times, this was nothing to do with football.
It is a very sad statement that your post has 7 upvotes and 7 downvotes. I can only imagine the mess of the lives of folks that downvoted this comment, and that any deep-dive into those lives would yield an exceptionally dysfunctional and unhappy collection of circumstances. Good on you BigBuck, and shame on the downvoters who need to take a long, hard look at their lives and their perspectives therein.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
Said not one word, but in your imagination. The kid does it every game, racing to get his pads off and to shower to spend his very limited time with family - his dad is a truck driver who comes up from Texas for the games. But make an imaginary fairy justification if it makes life easier for you.
And Cinserious, I have little doubt a deep-dive into your life would yield circumstances that would make all of us wince.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
"who fairly clearly was just trying to get a shower"
Upon what do you base this? Based on the videos I have seen he was 'fairly clearly' willfully disregarding a safety policy*. I have no idea whether he was doing so to get a shower, to trash talk, or because he was tickling cotton (explaining his skip).
That's not to minimize anything the MSU players did, but I am curious about Michigan's response to the totality of the situation.
* A Michigan poster in another thread said it was a policy to wait for the other team
That tunnel has been a problem since Woody Hayes and Earle Bruce. Throwing all of those Testosterone-fueled individuals into a small area is just a problem waiting to happen. I wasn't there, of course, but MSU players took things way over the line and deserve the punishment after the investigation It's not just MSU that has trouble in that venue. Penn State, Ohio State and Wisconsin come to mind when it comes to jawing, pushing and shoving regularly. It is my feeling (jury is out in the current situation) that there is only two constants: The tunnel and michigan. I think michigan likes to use the tunnel for intimidation because it doesn't seem to matter which team is in there with them. They could fix the problem with the tunnel since it is a constant, but they seem unlikely to do so. All that being said, MSU took it way over the line and I'd be surprised if those 4 play again.
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If this incident had been just a scuffle with no assault, we would rightfully be pointing a finger at TTUN, because these scuffles happen frequently at Michigan stadium. There's a pattern.
It's true that two wrongs don't make a right. But it's equally true that someone else's wrong does not erase your own wrong.
The MSU players have rightfully been punished, but an unintended consequence of this could be that Harbaugh and his players now feel even more emboldened to act like douchebags to opposing teams in the tunnel.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Oh wow, some virtue lecturing from Johnny. I'm shocked! As men, we face consequences when we use our hands (and feet of whatever) to attempt to harm another person. Also as men, we have to understand that there are certain things we can do that will literally guarantee we will get a physical response... Mcburrow fucked around and found out that skipping into a tunnel full of pissed off men and talking smack is one of those scenarios. Let the MSU players face criminal charges (just like anyone else would) for their actions. I also guarantee that mcburrow will think twice before pulling some shit like that in the future. I don't care how much you lecture and plead - you'll NEVER take the fight out of humans completely. It's in our nature and as long as testosterone is a thing, it will continue to be in our nature. We strive to be great but sometimes shit happens.
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Glad you brought that up. Why/What was that one ttun player doing there by himself in the middle of the MSU players? Was he lost looking for directions back to his locker room or talking shit?
I don't understand this mentality at all. It seriously makes me think you haven't done much fighting.
I felt this way when I was younger. I'm a bigger dude. Fairly strong for my size, but quick. I boxed. Loved to booze. Had a temper, and for several reasons, was carrying around a lot of unresolved anger. So to the utter surprise of no one, I fought a lot. I actually used the concept you're defending to my advantage all the time - legally, and socially, it looks a lot better if you throw the second punch.
So I got very proficient at finding dudes' psychological soft spots, and just pressing on them until they broke. But sometimes? It was just me. I was drunk, angry (or both) enough to just let it rip. I had dealings with the justice system. Hell, I almost got kicked out of both school AND law school for it.
Then a funny thing happened. I got older. I learned more. I met a woman who was far smarter and kinder than me, who was rightly horrified by that sort of behavior (as opposed to some of my ex's, not a great pattern there). I did the work. Started to address the sources of why I was angry all the time. A funny thing happened. I didn't want to fight people any more.
Don't get me wrong. Threaten me, my friends or my family, and I'll be on you before you can get your hands up. But "you say mean words, me mad, me hit you?" I'm better than that. I hope most of you are too. Giving in to that impulse isn't strength. It's complete and utter weakness.
Lomar, I think based on what you posted here that you DO understand this mentality.... these are 20 year old kids that don't always make the best decisions, just like you in the past. They haven't grown up yet or learned more. Yes what the MSU players did is wrong, and they need to control themselves better, but I can TOTALLY see the Xichigan players provoking the situation.
And... thank God for a good woman... I would be a train wreck of a person without my wife.
Thanks for sharing your story!
"It all goes so fast, and character makes the difference when it's close."
-Jesse Owens
Yeah, completely agree with you. What I was aiming that more at was the “men gonna be men and if you talk shit I’ll swing” mentality. That shit needs to stop being legitimized. It’s 2022. Evolve a little.
I’m not remotely in a position to judge anyone at that age. I was quite the idiot. To the extent a team/university violation was committed, they have to face that music, and it looks like they are. I’m a little more iffy about bringing in law enforcement, but it is what it is. I hope these guys learn their lesson, and that the cost isn’t too high.
Across college football, fans easily and too often forget that [insert team name] is "our worthy opponent" on game day. If your opponent doesn't come to play, what's the point of all that practice?
Booing when [insert team name] runs onto the field is unnecessary and disrespectful. That practice in the stands became common in the 1980s .... and one thing leads to another ... and another. And so here we are today, with chippy stuff in the tunnel after the Penn State game and full-on assault after the Michigan State game.
This is an excellent essay about a growing negative cultural ethos that we're seeing seep quickly into both high-school and college sports. Where do we go from here? I cannot say I have any answers, but as Mr. Ginter notes above, the first steps are accountability and good sportsmanship.
There has always been a "bad guy". You can boo and root against them, not believe in what they promote or they can be your guy, your team and you cheer for them. It happens in all aspects of life. War, politics, sports...
Harbaugh is almost certainly encouraging this punk ass behavior that is leading to the tunnel (and on field) altercations. I've seen pics of JJ trying to look tough with some fellow nerds at his side throwing up their hands in the "what you wanna do?" manner. Coaches and trainers too. They're all in on it and Harbaugh is the common thread.
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Watching the tunnel video from last year's The Game it was interesting seeing Marotti and the SCUM coach jawing (mostly the scum guy) because Marotti stared a hole in that dudes soul like "just try me, I'm gonna knock you silly "
Then when Marotti calmy walked away amd the dude had more of his UM whores with him he really started running his mouth like a bitch. Typical bitch move
At least a few of the sparty's look like they are fresh out of general population.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
About a decade ago, MI paid a cool $225M for its stadium expansion and improvements project. Another $40M has been approved to upgrade the score boards. All this to accommodate the expectations of 100,000+ plus fans, who are there to celebrate what we can’t ignore as being anything other than a violent game. I say this as a college football fan. We then expect those same athletes to flip a switch and calm their emotions immediately - after having spent the past 3 to 4 hours basically encouraging them to be as violent as CFB rules allow. So fine, let the universities, the league and Washtenaw County authorities figure out the culpability and punishment. But how many scuffles have occurred in that tunnel over the years? Who knows. But two games in a row now scuffles have broken out - and there was one common denominator. That being that the UofM insists that teams from both schools jam into the same locker room access tunnel. $265M later, any guesses as to how much will be allocated to address this issue?
It's really too bad this all went down. I dislike both teams so much but would never wish harm to them outside of the rules of football and most certainly not off the field.
I guess this goes to show why the song say...
We don't give a damn for the WHOLE state of Michigan.
Awe man I wanna f#*k these guys up so bad this year!!! Punk ass shit starting bastards! It's going to be tough game but can it PLEASE be a blowout of all years so we can keep running up the score in every way imaginable!
I had a feeling this week’s “Threat Level” was going to be something like this, and it didn’t disappoint. I think how you handled it was appropriate. Yeah… Michigan sucks. But that’s a sport thing. I don’t wish real world violence on anyone, and it should be dealt with appropriately. That said, they should try to find a way to separate locker room access.
Devin Gardner is one of the classiest players in college football history regardless of who he played for. I always respected the hell out of him because he brought it both times he played us, and kept two games close that had no business being close. Unlike another former Michigan QB, Gardner understands what the rivalry is supposed to be. A clean, ass-kicking game that honors the best of college football. We all hate Michigan, but damn if I don’t have a healthy respect for them. Both Michigan and Michigan State need to heed that for future matchups
Like Woody said, anything easy ain’t worth a damn!
Listening to ESPNU today, there was some commentator who said the MSU/TTUN rivalry is very different from the one with OSU. He said there’s a lot of respect in the OSU rivalry, but a lot of ugly and bitterness with MSU.
I have noticed that I mean there seems to be even more of a superiority complex Michigan carries against MSU in all facets on and off the field. There seems to be an open disrespect towards Michigan State by Michigan, and now they don’t like that MSU pushes back. Obviously MSU pushed it too far, but both sides seem to treat that game as less football game and more street fight.
Like Woody said, anything easy ain’t worth a damn!
Michigan fan who grew up in Michigan confirming that this is 100% true. It's nasty, very personal, not remotely the same as our feelings about Ohio State, believe it or not.
Saturday night was not a good look, mostly for Sparty [100% all for Sparty] but also we did not need to start running gadget plays against them deep in the fourth quarter [yes we did, it was fun] or have our wet-behind-the-ears QB talking about No Mercy before the game [even better]. We (Michigan) have had (what we, perhaps delusionally, believe are grossly unjust) bad beats [they were] against them over the years and haven't handled it well (and with always making qualifiers for those losses that rankle the hell out of Sparty) [because Little Brother does not get unadulterated glory from us].
The end of that game was a combustible situation and I have no idea why our player was running into the tunnel alone ahead of his brothers on the team but that was not a good idea on his part, leaving right and wrong aside [I think he tried to congratulate them on good game, although it wasn't].
They are having a terrible season [Yay!] and moreso there is a lot of angst in East Lansing [haha] w/r/t Mel Tucker and his contract [lol, suckers] and the deep reliance on the transfer portal [i.e. the bargain bin]. They have a lot of transfers who aren't panning out for them and those players' next stop may be Not Football [leaving this section blank] so don't mess with them after the game [so don't mess with them after the game]. The other point I have here is that Michigan State University still represents my home state [albeit very badly, looking at you, too, Tizzo] and this kind of Alabama-Auburn level of SEC-style horseshit between us needs to stop on both sides [as long as we keep winning both on and off the field against them and they look like fools].
Like a lot of us, I have Spartan friends and Buckeyes friends [but Fuck Sparty], so hopefully we can get past all of this. Peace and play ball [see you next year in East Landfill, chumps].
Tucker better get his team in check. This Happens again this year or in the future the big wigs can fire him for lack of team control and get out of paying him his 80mil. Jimbo is having an issue as well with 3 players smoking weed and banging chicks in the locker room. Plus being 3-5
I agree with you about "no buts," but there is room for "and." There is no shred of moral justification for the Sparty players. Independent of this, we can add Saturday's conduct by UM coaches and players to the long list of inmature provocations. Be it Chase Winovich trolling media, Devin bush uprooting turf, Harbaugh constantly throwing shade at fellow coaches, or UM players coordinating a shoe untie (only a few examples), they have fostered and cherished a culture of extreme unprofessionalism and this should be a rightful topic for discorse.
Also, enough with this "locker room tunnel has been around for 100 years without incident" talk. There is plenty of video from previous eras of UM players taunting Buckeyes as they try to leave their locker room and enter the game.
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Right on. Johnny is entitled to his opinion but he's pushing it off as fact, as if he's the supreme authority on the subject. UM has used that tunnel system as a bottleneck to taunt opposing teams for years. It's natural to want to say "let's not engage in 'whataboutism'" when the what abouts can completely undermine your narrative. This is a microcosm of what's happening on a much larger scale. For a person with a large audience, presenting opinion as fact is not cool
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I think it's fair to acknowledge the taunting and general asshattery that TTUN players and coaches engage in, while also admitting that what happened was unacceptable. I haven't seen any evidence that Jayden Mcburrows did anything to bring such a vicious assault onto himself by several Spartan players. Michigan men deserve scorn and ridicule for their pathetic antics (Dez, Harbaugh, Winovich, et al), but assault crosses the line.
Yes, assault crosses the line and it's been that way for generations upon generations. There are some actions and words that will always draw a physical response in the right conditions and Mcburrow got right up in there. As far as rivalries go - they have NEVER ended on the field and if they had, they wouldn't be a fucking rivalry and M's wouldn't be crossed out all over campus every fall. To suggest that a rivalry should begin and end on the field is a little bit ridiculous
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Right on Shoelesskeithbyars!
How about a full article about the shit they pull each and EVERY year with various teams. Sounds like a great start to 'Threat Level' leading up to this year's THE Game. (With video)
I came of age in the 90s, so it should go without saying that I despise everything about that team up north. My hatred, which admittedly ebbed slightly after our nearly two decades of dominating the rivalry, was rekindled after last year's game and the subsequent 12 months of trash-talking from the maize and blue-clad hordes in Ann Arbor (which was earned; to the "victors" go the spoils, after all). Despite my general distaste of all things Michigan, I also respect their team, the program and the rivalry as a whole. I would be horrified beyond words if the Buckeyes had perpetrated a similar assault against the Wolverines, and it disgusts me when I see the videos of what transpired Saturday night. A few nebulous "indefinte suspensions" to 3rd stringers don't go far enough, and I hope the legal process plays out and the offending parties are held accountable. What happened in the bowels of that brick shithole they call the "Big House" shouldn't have happened and should never happen again. Period.
Anyways, rant over. Go Bucks; beat Michigan and take back what's rightfully ours on November 26th. We will destroy you on the field, but we will do so with class and respect, unlike your Sparty brethren to the north.
Well put. I think I speak for almost all (non-deranged) Michigan fans in that we respect Ohio State but severely disdain Sparty. Some tunnel woofing and a little group shoving, sure; but it's really impossible for me to imagine what happened Saturday between Michigan and Ohio State and god knows you've beaten us like a drum the last 20 years.
When Sparty and Ohio State play each other, I don't root for Meteor. Rather, I root for an Ohio State annihilation of them, preferably in front of 50,000 Buckeyes and 20,000 or so Green degenerates who didn't sell their tickets for meth money and used sofas in that mis-placed ACC stadium of theirs in East Landfill.
but it's really impossible for me to imagine what happened Saturday between Michigan and Ohio State
Sorry, but therein lies the problem. We have seen football fights before. We have seen issues between teams in that single tunnel. It is frankly irresponsible for the people in charge there to not imagine what happened (and worse) and work to prevent it pro-actively. And really, the teams in question don't matter. When Michigan plays Hawaii there should be the same protocols in place as for when it plays MSU or OSU. And that's not said because I don't get the difference, but because there is an obvious safety issue there, and no reason for full mitigation of the risk not to be in place for every game. Also because, when talking about two amped up football teams occupying a small enclosed space, there may not be a difference. A couple of cheap shots in the game, a fight or two on the field and is there any reason to suggest that Hawaii and UM couldn't get dangerous in that tunnel?
This was great, Johnny. Two things can be true: the rivalry is historic and intense, and has never been limited to the field before; and what happened in that tunnel is unacceptable, and has no place in sports. The first is useful context for the second, but don't confuse context with justification.
The same goes for Michigan and MSU. I've seen fans on both sides trying to either justify their side in what happened (oh, the dIsrEsPekT), or frankly, some real hysterics from the Michigan side about how MSU is apparently an organized criminal gang. Again. Both things can be true: Any MSU player who took part in those events should be kicked off the team. I for one am not thrilled about the legal proceedings side of it, but it's Gemon Green's right to do it, so that's pretty much that.
But it can be also true, that the tunnel's been a problem for years, and Harbaugh is a weirdo who's been known to engage in weird Psy Ops-ish shit. We can have both discussions, and when someone gets all angsty and insists we can't? Well, thanks for telling on yourself, I guess? We're adults, allegedly. Nuance is your friend.
Michigan had the game won 29-7 in the waning moments. Harbaugh didn't put in back-ups, nor did he decide to run the ball behind an OL already getting 5+ yards/carry. No, Harbaugh had to call a trick play, then throw a bomb downfield He purposely tried to rub it in Michigan State's face. This is certainly no justification for violence, but Harbaugh fueled the flames. He's a dick, period, and let's not pretend Michigan, their coaches or players, are beyond such antics. On top of it, they've looked down at Michigan State for years and think it's an inferior school, academically and athletically.
Absolutely AZ but it doesn't justify lack of restraint by MSU, they have to be smarter than that plain and simple. If you can't stop it on the field, you can't bitch, just remember that shit next year. Harbaugh has an inferiority complex, thus the trying to run up the score to make it look like they belong with the 'big boys'. I mean he ducked us in '20 like a bitch, had the game of his life in '21 and subsequently got slaughtered by one of the real 'big boys' in the CFP. MSU got the best of him lately and he's still salty. OSU dominated him for years and when he 'one', he couldn't wait to run his mouth. Harbaugh's a bitch and so are his players. ( my phone auto-typed that last sentence after the word Harbaugh.)
I'm pretty sure Harbaugh hates Sparty, they broke his arm once. The psy-ops is likely true. His personality actually seems to hew less like Mr. Glenn E and more like Mr. Wayne W when it comes down to it.
I think sparty is following the lead of their HC. Just watch him answer reporter questions and the look on his face is always pissed off. He looks like the living embodiment of that Samuel L Jackson GIF
Reminds me of the Nebraska game a few years ago when Tommy Armstrong was down for a long time and finally taken off the field in an ambulance. The student section was chanting "Tommy Armstrong" clap, clap, clap clap clap, and received a thumbs up from Armstrong on the way out. When Armstrong returned to the stadium, he was given a huge standing ovation by over 100,000 fans and students! Made me proud to be a Buckeye that day!
Just don’t like Ryan day like John cooper he’s not from Ohio he doesn’t understand the rivalry and I don’t think we play Ohio state football under day. My opinion tho so downvote just don’t think he’s a true Ohio state coach he’s basically a chip Kelly with a more talented roster… I think Luke fickell is our next head coach.
Shitigan is well known for being dirty players MSU players took out their frustrations on them ...shit like this happens in football ..anyone who's played the game knows that ..this is the Shitty news media making a mountain out of a molehill as per usual ...sadly including the writers on this site ...wow !! football players fighting ...haha ...
The whole tunnel design needs a modern day upgrade. Can't have today's 20 year old athletes shoulder to shoulder, it's a recipe for local police department charges.
I hope you’ll get some therapy to help you with your depression, Johnny. I also hope you’ll be back to writing your silly, goofy, weekly post next week as i very much enjoy them. I admittedly just skimmed this article, as I could sense that it wasn’t going to be very entertaining. Yahoo is a better place to hear people carry on about the ills of the world and how it hurts them to the core of their very being. Keep it light, dude
Agree. Get enough social commentary and virtue signalling elsewhere. Gonna get dv'd, but it is what it is. I'm just over social commentary, we are inundated by it. I come here for Buckeye football and to occasionally express my absolute hatred for the shit stain of a state to the north and their favored football team. Fck em. Wish sparty kicked a couple more of their asses
What the heck is going on in that tunnel after games? Wasnt there an incident with Penn St a couple weeks ago, something about sandwiches being thrown?
I think this Buckeye team can beat this Michigan team the exact same way they beat Penn State and Iowa... The offense is going to need time to get things going and likely will have to make adjustments in layers depending on what the Michigan defense is doing.
I think the Buckeye defense can do the right things and make the right plays at the right time to keep Ohio State in the game until the offense wears the Michigan defense down.
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Here's my take - call me wrong if you want. If you are going to have one tunnel for both teams you should line it on both sides with moderators who cut off trash talk IMMEDIATELY if not sooner. Don't rely on player maturity to be good winners and good losers. I came from a good, supportive family but when I was in my teens and twenties (thirties?) I would have wanted to beat the living crap out of some ass hat that was taunting us after a hard fought loss. A lot of these kids come from a dog eat dog background so don't expect more from them than from any other man. Drop all charges subject to all parties face to face apologizing - for inciting violence and for doing violence - and learn from this situation Mr. NCAA.
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Sorry, HATE WEEK or a general hatred of another teams fanbase, players, or coaches IS NOT anything in any way, shape, manner or form like ANTI-SEMITISM and has no place being even discussed on a stupid fan blog forum like 11W. End of story.
Seriously. This post went off the damn rails. No idea how "anti-semitism" has anything to do with anything in college football. F*ck Michigan. The whole state.
There is no moral accountability sheet that we have to tabulate. Michigan State fans aren't required to bring up every offense a Michigan player or coach has perpetrated against the Spartans to somehow balance the scales of guilt when something bad happens. No one, no matter how obnoxious we perceive them to be or assume they were acting, deserves to be assaulted, period.
Well said
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The common thread isn't that damn tunnel. It's the ttun players! Fools like Harbaugh blame the OTHER TEAM and more fools agree with him. The common thread here? It's happening AT *ichigan!!. *ichigan is the common thread here and they are the problem. If Harbaugh made his players behave this doesn't occur. No one deserved to be assaulted but sometimes you do get back what you asked for and that #1 'Skippy' guy certainly went asking for it by skipping into Sparty and talking **it. Every time something like this comes up it's the Visitors fault? I don't think so Jim.
"You ever hear of the saying "you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole." - Raylan Givens
Was there this much outrage when Juwaan Howard hit and threatened another coach??? don't coaches set the standard ? Didn't Harbaugh belittle Franklin for pointing this out just a few short weeks ago ?? It starts at the top.
So an apology and a suspension are ok when the head UM MBB coach assaults an opposing coach during postgame formalities, but these kids should be figuratively guillotined for committing a similar act ? I don't recall Harbaugh calling for criminal charges to be levied against JH.
OSU better be mentally and physically prepared for TTUN this year bc they could be better than last year's team. OSU is better this year too, but let's be real. This _ichigan team is by FAR the best OSU will face. No illness excuses this time (in my best Thanos).
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Beat Michigan
Fire Kevin Warren
But, like, not literally.
Literally too if they want to tussle. Fck em
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
Correction:
Beat the everloving SHIT outta that piss & blew trash!
"Put ya' weight on it"
Totally agree Johnny and well said. But Michigan does still suck
Blake Corum is a legitimate problem.
ichigan is a one trick pony & he's it. He will have his worst game of the year in a few weeks.
David Peck
I hope you’re right but as a Biakabatuka survivor, I will always be scarred.
Here here
You win with people.
That name makes me shudder.
OG Buck, Donovan Edwards would like to have a word with you.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
He's a problem for Michigan too. They rely on him for pretty much their entire offensive production.
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Ohio State's defense will be a problem for TTUN
OSUAlumInAZ
I know that this may be a pipe dream but hoping Knowles puts in a 4-4-3 package similar to Wiscy 2019. Shut down the run. Make them one dimensional.
I've got a few other descriptive words for him, but yeah problem is one tell
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It's not the RB's. It's that earth moving Oline
The ugly truth is often downvoted
All these guys talking shit about Michigan were the same people who did last year. Until they dominated us. And then you don't hear a word or they come up with a bunch of bullshit excuses
bobbyd
OSU loses 1 game in 10 or 2 in 20 & you lose all confidence?!?
David Peck
Let's save this particular discussion for after the ichigan/Illinois game...
Love this article. Thanks for the perspective - we need a reality check once in a while. More people need to read this.
Buckeye fan living in Wisconsin
Why? Most people know that it's bad to hit someone. They also know that if you do what mcburrow did when he did it - you're likely going to get hit. Everyone involved will learn valuable lessons the hard way. The MSU players will be convicted on criminal charges and mcburrow will know where that line is and never cross it again. Harbaugh, on the other hand, won't learn shit and he'll continue to allow this clusterfuck tunnel situation to boil over.
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At the heart of your story is why I'm no longer a browns fan as of a few months ago.
ichigan Still Sucks!
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
If you're in search of a new disappointing team, the Bears got ya. We got Fields, and..... Fields.
Bears might work. 1985 seems like just yesterday! They can't come close to the utter disappointment the browns can bring. Hoping they can actually give Fields some help before they give up on him!
David Peck
Devin Gardner is one of the classiest individuals to ever take the field on either side of The Game. Here's to hoping that both teams live up to his high standards on Nov 26th.
He's my favorite TTUN player of all time. I watched him in a charity bowling event and he's not a terrible bowler either. Although he's a big guy and I don't think they had a drill bit big enough to drill balls to fit his hand lol
It always seems impossible until it's done.
~Nelson Mandela~
When I heard about what happened in the tunnel, this picture of Devin and JT was one of the first things I thought of. In a rivalry, you need to do everything within the bounds of the rules and safety to beat your rival, but it’s also important to respect your rival as a person. This picture exemplifies what a true rivalry should be. And that’s far from what happened this past Saturday.
Fair enough but without the years of dislike it wouldn't be a rivalry, would it?
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The first thing I thought of was 10 Michigan players surrounding Dontre Wilson in an obviously preplanned attack
Marcus Hall on line 1.
This was one of my favorite moments in college football. Obviously not JT breaking his ankle, but the class Devin Gardner showed that day, was remarkable. I wouldn't expect this from Harbaugh's players though. Classless coach, leads to classless players.
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
That's why I can't enjoy the Boren picture flexing over Devin. Just like Devin too much.
Beat TTUN! Put those skunk weasels back in their place where they belong as the Buckeye punching bag!
It always seems impossible until it's done.
~Nelson Mandela~
We can beat them, but they're going to be undefeated going into November 26. There's a chance we play them again, in the playoffs.
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
I just realized, I got downvoted on another Eleven Warriors article for saying most of the same things that was said in this Threat Level article... glad the Eleven Warriors writers understand my point.
It always seems impossible until it's done.
~Nelson Mandela~
I despise Michigan but I will have mad respect for Devin Gardner for the rest of my days.
Agreed... Any OSU fan who can't respect the level of, well, respect that Gardner showed... they can just take a hike. Classiest move probably ever in The Game... he'll always be good for a beer on my tab anytime.
Devin Gardner-level class Mr. Ginter.
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever.
Michigan could fix the problem but they seem to like the attention.
Do they still have JK Dobbin's shoe in their trophy case?
BobnTX
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beat downs.
Rivalries have always been, and should always be, about respect first and foremost. What happened Saturday night was not respectful at all and I am glad it is being dealt with appropriately.
Well said, sir.
Respectfully disagree. This rivalry is about beating their ass every year for the rest of eternity. Respect? Don't be a dick but hit them as hard as possible on the field.
SalemBuckeye
It IS respectful to hit them as hard as possible on the field. To do any less is disrespectful. And they aren't a rival if you don't respect the hell out of them and The Game. That's why it's called The Game after all. Go Buckeyes! Respect Xichigan 100-0!
And very good and timely Threat Level. It appears that Xichigan is a threat to themselves.
Steelybuck54
So it was with respect what they did to Donte Wilson since it happened on the field.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
We must absolutely respect THE GAME, the rivalry, and what they are always capable of. Sometime after Woody Hayes, the Buckeyes lost respect, thus the 90's. Ichigan lost respect for us BECAUSE of the 90's and we beat that ass silly for over 20 years. They are a disrespectful people and don't deserve any respect but we must never stop respecting and never let the 90's happen again.
"Put ya' weight on it"
I promise you that the Michigan program and most of their fans have zero respect for the Buckeyes and their fans. They believe themselves to be morally and intellectually superior
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
One of the most mind blowing things I have ever read was on a comedy site (which sadly died in 2016). Similar to this article one of the funniest writers would occasionally write something extremely serious and needed. In one such article, he pointed out that saying "I hope that rapist get raped in prison" doesn't even the score; it makes the score Rape 2 Society 0. Wishing violence on someone is never the answer.
Negativity is a choice I seldom make. Everything has a positive spin. Sometimes you simply have to look a little harder
So all murderers should be let go scot free? No they should pay for what they took from other people.
GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!
That's not what he said.
We as a society determine the punishment for crime. We should not be happy or okay with someone usurping that power and taking justice into their own hands. Rule of Law, and all that.
If a person wants to have rapists raped as punishment, they should campaign to change our laws (and likely our Constitution) to legally implement that.
Institutional lack of control, sure.
Lack of investigation of recruit character, obviously.
But this is really new at least to me -- the only thing missing was a skateboard upside the head of the Michigan player who fairly clearly was just trying to get a shower.
Root for injuries is just a euphemism when UM and MSU battle.. not like this. Good thing they found the cameras with the angle to identify the guilty.
Totally support criminal charges and actual jail times, this was nothing to do with football.
It is a very sad statement that your post has 7 upvotes and 7 downvotes. I can only imagine the mess of the lives of folks that downvoted this comment, and that any deep-dive into those lives would yield an exceptionally dysfunctional and unhappy collection of circumstances. Good on you BigBuck, and shame on the downvoters who need to take a long, hard look at their lives and their perspectives therein.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
When it's a TTUN punk-ass getting his ass worked over for running his mouth, skipping into a group of rivals, I'll turn a BLIND EYE every time!
"Put ya' weight on it"
Said not one word, but in your imagination. The kid does it every game, racing to get his pads off and to shower to spend his very limited time with family - his dad is a truck driver who comes up from Texas for the games. But make an imaginary fairy justification if it makes life easier for you.
And Cinserious, I have little doubt a deep-dive into your life would yield circumstances that would make all of us wince.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
Upon what do you base this? Based on the videos I have seen he was 'fairly clearly' willfully disregarding a safety policy*. I have no idea whether he was doing so to get a shower, to trash talk, or because he was tickling cotton (explaining his skip).
That's not to minimize anything the MSU players did, but I am curious about Michigan's response to the totality of the situation.
* A Michigan poster in another thread said it was a policy to wait for the other team
That tunnel has been a problem since Woody Hayes and Earle Bruce. Throwing all of those Testosterone-fueled individuals into a small area is just a problem waiting to happen. I wasn't there, of course, but MSU players took things way over the line and deserve the punishment after the investigation It's not just MSU that has trouble in that venue. Penn State, Ohio State and Wisconsin come to mind when it comes to jawing, pushing and shoving regularly. It is my feeling (jury is out in the current situation) that there is only two constants: The tunnel and michigan. I think michigan likes to use the tunnel for intimidation because it doesn't seem to matter which team is in there with them. They could fix the problem with the tunnel since it is a constant, but they seem unlikely to do so. All that being said, MSU took it way over the line and I'd be surprised if those 4 play again.
I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield
^This.
If this incident had been just a scuffle with no assault, we would rightfully be pointing a finger at TTUN, because these scuffles happen frequently at Michigan stadium. There's a pattern.
It's true that two wrongs don't make a right. But it's equally true that someone else's wrong does not erase your own wrong.
The MSU players have rightfully been punished, but an unintended consequence of this could be that Harbaugh and his players now feel even more emboldened to act like douchebags to opposing teams in the tunnel.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Oh wow, some virtue lecturing from Johnny. I'm shocked! As men, we face consequences when we use our hands (and feet of whatever) to attempt to harm another person. Also as men, we have to understand that there are certain things we can do that will literally guarantee we will get a physical response... Mcburrow fucked around and found out that skipping into a tunnel full of pissed off men and talking smack is one of those scenarios. Let the MSU players face criminal charges (just like anyone else would) for their actions. I also guarantee that mcburrow will think twice before pulling some shit like that in the future. I don't care how much you lecture and plead - you'll NEVER take the fight out of humans completely. It's in our nature and as long as testosterone is a thing, it will continue to be in our nature. We strive to be great but sometimes shit happens.
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Glad you brought that up. Why/What was that one ttun player doing there by himself in the middle of the MSU players? Was he lost looking for directions back to his locker room or talking shit?
Did I just write this? It sounds like I wrote this, but I don't remember writing it.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
Nice profile pic. CZ and Sig are my go-to manufacturers
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I don't understand this mentality at all. It seriously makes me think you haven't done much fighting.
I felt this way when I was younger. I'm a bigger dude. Fairly strong for my size, but quick. I boxed. Loved to booze. Had a temper, and for several reasons, was carrying around a lot of unresolved anger. So to the utter surprise of no one, I fought a lot. I actually used the concept you're defending to my advantage all the time - legally, and socially, it looks a lot better if you throw the second punch.
So I got very proficient at finding dudes' psychological soft spots, and just pressing on them until they broke. But sometimes? It was just me. I was drunk, angry (or both) enough to just let it rip. I had dealings with the justice system. Hell, I almost got kicked out of both school AND law school for it.
Then a funny thing happened. I got older. I learned more. I met a woman who was far smarter and kinder than me, who was rightly horrified by that sort of behavior (as opposed to some of my ex's, not a great pattern there). I did the work. Started to address the sources of why I was angry all the time. A funny thing happened. I didn't want to fight people any more.
Don't get me wrong. Threaten me, my friends or my family, and I'll be on you before you can get your hands up. But "you say mean words, me mad, me hit you?" I'm better than that. I hope most of you are too. Giving in to that impulse isn't strength. It's complete and utter weakness.
Well said, Lomar.
User face doesn't check out
"Put ya' weight on it"
Lomar, I think based on what you posted here that you DO understand this mentality.... these are 20 year old kids that don't always make the best decisions, just like you in the past. They haven't grown up yet or learned more. Yes what the MSU players did is wrong, and they need to control themselves better, but I can TOTALLY see the Xichigan players provoking the situation.
And... thank God for a good woman... I would be a train wreck of a person without my wife.
Thanks for sharing your story!
"It all goes so fast, and character makes the difference when it's close."
-Jesse Owens
Yeah, completely agree with you. What I was aiming that more at was the “men gonna be men and if you talk shit I’ll swing” mentality. That shit needs to stop being legitimized. It’s 2022. Evolve a little.
I’m not remotely in a position to judge anyone at that age. I was quite the idiot. To the extent a team/university violation was committed, they have to face that music, and it looks like they are. I’m a little more iffy about bringing in law enforcement, but it is what it is. I hope these guys learn their lesson, and that the cost isn’t too high.
F*ck Michigan
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
Across college football, fans easily and too often forget that [insert team name] is "our worthy opponent" on game day. If your opponent doesn't come to play, what's the point of all that practice?
Booing when [insert team name] runs onto the field is unnecessary and disrespectful. That practice in the stands became common in the 1980s .... and one thing leads to another ... and another. And so here we are today, with chippy stuff in the tunnel after the Penn State game and full-on assault after the Michigan State game.
This is an excellent essay about a growing negative cultural ethos that we're seeing seep quickly into both high-school and college sports. Where do we go from here? I cannot say I have any answers, but as Mr. Ginter notes above, the first steps are accountability and good sportsmanship.
K. Root, OSU Class of '76
So physical altercations didn't happen until after fans started booing opposing teams in the 80's? That's a hell of a theory
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Luke Witte concurs.
There has always been a "bad guy". You can boo and root against them, not believe in what they promote or they can be your guy, your team and you cheer for them. It happens in all aspects of life. War, politics, sports...
GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!
Is Mel Tucker recruiting at Jackson State Prison ( aka Michigan State Penitentiary ) these days? Disgusting.
OSUAlumInAZ
Careful. You're a breath away from catching the fury of the woke mob...
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Excellent!!!!
OSUAlumInAZ
That’s what happens when you use the transfer Portal to build your roster. Those players were either bad eggs or not good enough to play.
Give that man another 10 year $10M contract
Is Mel Tucker recruiting at...?
Probably better quality people than the cesspools crybaby Harbaugh recruits his shit-starters from
"Put ya' weight on it"
Well I do think it's may be a little more than coincidental a similar issue occurred with Penn State players at Michigan.
OSUAlumInAZ
Harbaugh is almost certainly encouraging this punk ass behavior that is leading to the tunnel (and on field) altercations. I've seen pics of JJ trying to look tough with some fellow nerds at his side throwing up their hands in the "what you wanna do?" manner. Coaches and trainers too. They're all in on it and Harbaugh is the common thread.
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Watching the tunnel video from last year's The Game it was interesting seeing Marotti and the SCUM coach jawing (mostly the scum guy) because Marotti stared a hole in that dudes soul like "just try me, I'm gonna knock you silly "
Then when Marotti calmy walked away amd the dude had more of his UM whores with him he really started running his mouth like a bitch. Typical bitch move
"Put ya' weight on it"
At least a few of the sparty's look like they are fresh out of general population.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
About a decade ago, MI paid a cool $225M for its stadium expansion and improvements project. Another $40M has been approved to upgrade the score boards. All this to accommodate the expectations of 100,000+ plus fans, who are there to celebrate what we can’t ignore as being anything other than a violent game. I say this as a college football fan. We then expect those same athletes to flip a switch and calm their emotions immediately - after having spent the past 3 to 4 hours basically encouraging them to be as violent as CFB rules allow. So fine, let the universities, the league and Washtenaw County authorities figure out the culpability and punishment. But how many scuffles have occurred in that tunnel over the years? Who knows. But two games in a row now scuffles have broken out - and there was one common denominator. That being that the UofM insists that teams from both schools jam into the same locker room access tunnel. $265M later, any guesses as to how much will be allocated to address this issue?
“Holy Buckeye!”
Above I see comments like, " been a problem since Woody" & "Institutional lack of control."
So you're saying the difference is on or off the field and the common denominator is ttun?
https://youtu.be/7TeHd0FpGMw
"They are who we thought they were!" - Dennis Green
David Peck
If that situation wasn't pre-rehearsed and intentional, I'll eat my hat.
I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield
It sure as hell looked like #1 was had an agenda. I can't prove that though
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Exactly.
common denominator…TTUN (that tunnel up north).
Time and change will surely show how firm thy friendship, O HI O.
You nailed it, Johnny. Thank you.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."-Groucho Marx
Goals: Beat Michigan. Win the B1G East. Beat Michigan. Win the B1G CG. Beat Michigan. Win a Natty. Beat Michigan.
It's really too bad this all went down. I dislike both teams so much but would never wish harm to them outside of the rules of football and most certainly not off the field.
I guess this goes to show why the song say...
We don't give a damn for the WHOLE state of Michigan.
Buckeyes…Beets... Battlestar Galactica.
In a rivalry where one team wins 2x in 20 years with an average point difference of 20+, how is that a rivalry?
Because it has been a rivalry for well over a century! 2 decades is a drop in that bucket.
Steelybuck54
Nobody really gives a flip about what happened in 1900.
Awe man I wanna f#*k these guys up so bad this year!!! Punk ass shit starting bastards! It's going to be tough game but can it PLEASE be a blowout of all years so we can keep running up the score in every way imaginable!
"Put ya' weight on it"
Cinseriously!!
David Peck
I had a feeling this week’s “Threat Level” was going to be something like this, and it didn’t disappoint. I think how you handled it was appropriate. Yeah… Michigan sucks. But that’s a sport thing. I don’t wish real world violence on anyone, and it should be dealt with appropriately. That said, they should try to find a way to separate locker room access.
Is it November 26, yet?
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
Devin Gardner is one of the classiest players in college football history regardless of who he played for. I always respected the hell out of him because he brought it both times he played us, and kept two games close that had no business being close. Unlike another former Michigan QB, Gardner understands what the rivalry is supposed to be. A clean, ass-kicking game that honors the best of college football. We all hate Michigan, but damn if I don’t have a healthy respect for them. Both Michigan and Michigan State need to heed that for future matchups
Like Woody said, anything easy ain’t worth a damn!
Listening to ESPNU today, there was some commentator who said the MSU/TTUN rivalry is very different from the one with OSU. He said there’s a lot of respect in the OSU rivalry, but a lot of ugly and bitterness with MSU.
I have noticed that I mean there seems to be even more of a superiority complex Michigan carries against MSU in all facets on and off the field. There seems to be an open disrespect towards Michigan State by Michigan, and now they don’t like that MSU pushes back. Obviously MSU pushed it too far, but both sides seem to treat that game as less football game and more street fight.
Like Woody said, anything easy ain’t worth a damn!
Michigan fan who grew up in Michigan confirming that this is 100% true. It's nasty, very personal, not remotely the same as our feelings about Ohio State, believe it or not.
Saturday night was not a good look, mostly for Sparty [100% all for Sparty] but also we did not need to start running gadget plays against them deep in the fourth quarter [yes we did, it was fun] or have our wet-behind-the-ears QB talking about No Mercy before the game [even better]. We (Michigan) have had (what we, perhaps delusionally, believe are grossly unjust) bad beats [they were] against them over the years and haven't handled it well (and with always making qualifiers for those losses that rankle the hell out of Sparty) [because Little Brother does not get unadulterated glory from us].
The end of that game was a combustible situation and I have no idea why our player was running into the tunnel alone ahead of his brothers on the team but that was not a good idea on his part, leaving right and wrong aside [I think he tried to congratulate them on good game, although it wasn't].
They are having a terrible season [Yay!] and moreso there is a lot of angst in East Lansing [haha] w/r/t Mel Tucker and his contract [lol, suckers] and the deep reliance on the transfer portal [i.e. the bargain bin]. They have a lot of transfers who aren't panning out for them and those players' next stop may be Not Football [leaving this section blank] so don't mess with them after the game [so don't mess with them after the game]. The other point I have here is that Michigan State University still represents my home state [albeit very badly, looking at you, too, Tizzo] and this kind of Alabama-Auburn level of SEC-style horseshit between us needs to stop on both sides [as long as we keep winning both on and off the field against them and they look like fools].
Like a lot of us, I have Spartan friends and Buckeyes friends [but Fuck Sparty], so hopefully we can get past all of this. Peace and play ball [see you next year in East Landfill, chumps].
Keep your friends close, but your rivals, closer.
Tucker better get his team in check. This Happens again this year or in the future the big wigs can fire him for lack of team control and get out of paying him his 80mil. Jimbo is having an issue as well with 3 players smoking weed and banging chicks in the locker room. Plus being 3-5
Doug
That is not a cause to get him out of his contract in itself.
Mr. Ginter,
I agree with you about "no buts," but there is room for "and." There is no shred of moral justification for the Sparty players. Independent of this, we can add Saturday's conduct by UM coaches and players to the long list of inmature provocations. Be it Chase Winovich trolling media, Devin bush uprooting turf, Harbaugh constantly throwing shade at fellow coaches, or UM players coordinating a shoe untie (only a few examples), they have fostered and cherished a culture of extreme unprofessionalism and this should be a rightful topic for discorse.
Also, enough with this "locker room tunnel has been around for 100 years without incident" talk. There is plenty of video from previous eras of UM players taunting Buckeyes as they try to leave their locker room and enter the game.
“Glass, China, and Reputation, are easily cracked, and never well mended.”
― Benjamin Franklin
Right on. Johnny is entitled to his opinion but he's pushing it off as fact, as if he's the supreme authority on the subject. UM has used that tunnel system as a bottleneck to taunt opposing teams for years. It's natural to want to say "let's not engage in 'whataboutism'" when the what abouts can completely undermine your narrative. This is a microcosm of what's happening on a much larger scale. For a person with a large audience, presenting opinion as fact is not cool
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
I think it's fair to acknowledge the taunting and general asshattery that TTUN players and coaches engage in, while also admitting that what happened was unacceptable. I haven't seen any evidence that Jayden Mcburrows did anything to bring such a vicious assault onto himself by several Spartan players. Michigan men deserve scorn and ridicule for their pathetic antics (Dez, Harbaugh, Winovich, et al), but assault crosses the line.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Yes, assault crosses the line and it's been that way for generations upon generations. There are some actions and words that will always draw a physical response in the right conditions and Mcburrow got right up in there. As far as rivalries go - they have NEVER ended on the field and if they had, they wouldn't be a fucking rivalry and M's wouldn't be crossed out all over campus every fall. To suggest that a rivalry should begin and end on the field is a little bit ridiculous
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Right on Shoelesskeithbyars!
How about a full article about the shit they pull each and EVERY year with various teams. Sounds like a great start to 'Threat Level' leading up to this year's THE Game. (With video)
"Put ya' weight on it"
I came of age in the 90s, so it should go without saying that I despise everything about that team up north. My hatred, which admittedly ebbed slightly after our nearly two decades of dominating the rivalry, was rekindled after last year's game and the subsequent 12 months of trash-talking from the maize and blue-clad hordes in Ann Arbor (which was earned; to the "victors" go the spoils, after all). Despite my general distaste of all things Michigan, I also respect their team, the program and the rivalry as a whole. I would be horrified beyond words if the Buckeyes had perpetrated a similar assault against the Wolverines, and it disgusts me when I see the videos of what transpired Saturday night. A few nebulous "indefinte suspensions" to 3rd stringers don't go far enough, and I hope the legal process plays out and the offending parties are held accountable. What happened in the bowels of that brick shithole they call the "Big House" shouldn't have happened and should never happen again. Period.
Anyways, rant over. Go Bucks; beat Michigan and take back what's rightfully ours on November 26th. We will destroy you on the field, but we will do so with class and respect, unlike your Sparty brethren to the north.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Well put. I think I speak for almost all (non-deranged) Michigan fans in that we respect Ohio State but severely disdain Sparty. Some tunnel woofing and a little group shoving, sure; but it's really impossible for me to imagine what happened Saturday between Michigan and Ohio State and god knows you've beaten us like a drum the last 20 years.
When Sparty and Ohio State play each other, I don't root for Meteor. Rather, I root for an Ohio State annihilation of them, preferably in front of 50,000 Buckeyes and 20,000 or so Green degenerates who didn't sell their tickets for meth money and used sofas in that mis-placed ACC stadium of theirs in East Landfill.
Keep your friends close, but your rivals, closer.
Sorry, but therein lies the problem. We have seen football fights before. We have seen issues between teams in that single tunnel. It is frankly irresponsible for the people in charge there to not imagine what happened (and worse) and work to prevent it pro-actively. And really, the teams in question don't matter. When Michigan plays Hawaii there should be the same protocols in place as for when it plays MSU or OSU. And that's not said because I don't get the difference, but because there is an obvious safety issue there, and no reason for full mitigation of the risk not to be in place for every game. Also because, when talking about two amped up football teams occupying a small enclosed space, there may not be a difference. A couple of cheap shots in the game, a fight or two on the field and is there any reason to suggest that Hawaii and UM couldn't get dangerous in that tunnel?
Ryan day reminds me of John cooper.
Caleb nause
How so?
OSUAlumInAZ
Because they both beat *ichigan in their first game and had them duck Ohio State in what would have been the second?
There's nothing more that I'd like to see than JJ Mcarthy getting his literal ass handed to him by our defense in November.
OSUAlumInAZ
This was great, Johnny. Two things can be true: the rivalry is historic and intense, and has never been limited to the field before; and what happened in that tunnel is unacceptable, and has no place in sports. The first is useful context for the second, but don't confuse context with justification.
The same goes for Michigan and MSU. I've seen fans on both sides trying to either justify their side in what happened (oh, the dIsrEsPekT), or frankly, some real hysterics from the Michigan side about how MSU is apparently an organized criminal gang. Again. Both things can be true: Any MSU player who took part in those events should be kicked off the team. I for one am not thrilled about the legal proceedings side of it, but it's Gemon Green's right to do it, so that's pretty much that.
But it can be also true, that the tunnel's been a problem for years, and Harbaugh is a weirdo who's been known to engage in weird Psy Ops-ish shit. We can have both discussions, and when someone gets all angsty and insists we can't? Well, thanks for telling on yourself, I guess? We're adults, allegedly. Nuance is your friend.
Michigan had the game won 29-7 in the waning moments. Harbaugh didn't put in back-ups, nor did he decide to run the ball behind an OL already getting 5+ yards/carry. No, Harbaugh had to call a trick play, then throw a bomb downfield He purposely tried to rub it in Michigan State's face. This is certainly no justification for violence, but Harbaugh fueled the flames. He's a dick, period, and let's not pretend Michigan, their coaches or players, are beyond such antics. On top of it, they've looked down at Michigan State for years and think it's an inferior school, academically and athletically.
OSUAlumInAZ
Absolutely AZ but it doesn't justify lack of restraint by MSU, they have to be smarter than that plain and simple. If you can't stop it on the field, you can't bitch, just remember that shit next year. Harbaugh has an inferiority complex, thus the trying to run up the score to make it look like they belong with the 'big boys'. I mean he ducked us in '20 like a bitch, had the game of his life in '21 and subsequently got slaughtered by one of the real 'big boys' in the CFP. MSU got the best of him lately and he's still salty. OSU dominated him for years and when he 'one', he couldn't wait to run his mouth. Harbaugh's a bitch and so are his players. ( my phone auto-typed that last sentence after the word Harbaugh.)
"Put ya' weight on it"
I'm pretty sure Harbaugh hates Sparty, they broke his arm once. The psy-ops is likely true. His personality actually seems to hew less like Mr. Glenn E and more like Mr. Wayne W when it comes down to it.
Keep your friends close, but your rivals, closer.
I think sparty is following the lead of their HC. Just watch him answer reporter questions and the look on his face is always pissed off. He looks like the living embodiment of that Samuel L Jackson GIF
Awesome article, Johnny!!
Reminds me of the Nebraska game a few years ago when Tommy Armstrong was down for a long time and finally taken off the field in an ambulance. The student section was chanting "Tommy Armstrong" clap, clap, clap clap clap, and received a thumbs up from Armstrong on the way out. When Armstrong returned to the stadium, he was given a huge standing ovation by over 100,000 fans and students! Made me proud to be a Buckeye that day!
Just don’t like Ryan day like John cooper he’s not from Ohio he doesn’t understand the rivalry and I don’t think we play Ohio state football under day. My opinion tho so downvote just don’t think he’s a true Ohio state coach he’s basically a chip Kelly with a more talented roster… I think Luke fickell is our next head coach.
Caleb nause
I think Ryan day gets fired we hire Luke fickell and the bucks win another national title.
Caleb nause
cry for attention much?
Cause Luke Fickell worked out so great the last time he was here.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
But Ryan day will win the national title this year I didn’t notice we’re running the same defense Chris ash did.
Caleb nause
Shitigan is well known for being dirty players MSU players took out their frustrations on them ...shit like this happens in football ..anyone who's played the game knows that ..this is the Shitty news media making a mountain out of a molehill as per usual ...sadly including the writers on this site ...wow !! football players fighting ...haha ...
The whole tunnel design needs a modern day upgrade. Can't have today's 20 year old athletes shoulder to shoulder, it's a recipe for local police department charges.
O-H
Need a barf bag after this one.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
I hope you’ll get some therapy to help you with your depression, Johnny. I also hope you’ll be back to writing your silly, goofy, weekly post next week as i very much enjoy them. I admittedly just skimmed this article, as I could sense that it wasn’t going to be very entertaining. Yahoo is a better place to hear people carry on about the ills of the world and how it hurts them to the core of their very being. Keep it light, dude
Agree. Get enough social commentary and virtue signalling elsewhere. Gonna get dv'd, but it is what it is. I'm just over social commentary, we are inundated by it. I come here for Buckeye football and to occasionally express my absolute hatred for the shit stain of a state to the north and their favored football team. Fck em. Wish sparty kicked a couple more of their asses
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
What the heck is going on in that tunnel after games? Wasnt there an incident with Penn St a couple weeks ago, something about sandwiches being thrown?
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I think this Buckeye team can beat this Michigan team the exact same way they beat Penn State and Iowa... The offense is going to need time to get things going and likely will have to make adjustments in layers depending on what the Michigan defense is doing.
I think the Buckeye defense can do the right things and make the right plays at the right time to keep Ohio State in the game until the offense wears the Michigan defense down.
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Here's my take - call me wrong if you want. If you are going to have one tunnel for both teams you should line it on both sides with moderators who cut off trash talk IMMEDIATELY if not sooner. Don't rely on player maturity to be good winners and good losers. I came from a good, supportive family but when I was in my teens and twenties (thirties?) I would have wanted to beat the living crap out of some ass hat that was taunting us after a hard fought loss. A lot of these kids come from a dog eat dog background so don't expect more from them than from any other man. Drop all charges subject to all parties face to face apologizing - for inciting violence and for doing violence - and learn from this situation Mr. NCAA.
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Sorry, HATE WEEK or a general hatred of another teams fanbase, players, or coaches IS NOT anything in any way, shape, manner or form like ANTI-SEMITISM and has no place being even discussed on a stupid fan blog forum like 11W. End of story.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Seriously. This post went off the damn rails. No idea how "anti-semitism" has anything to do with anything in college football. F*ck Michigan. The whole state.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
Yeah, and the entire article had nothing to do with football, either.
So TTUN's gameplan is... Tresselball?
Fuck Michigan
Well said
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Bravo, Johnny. Well said and an unfortunately needed commentary. Keep up the good work!
Needed commentary on MGOBlue maybe.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.
The common thread isn't that damn tunnel. It's the ttun players! Fools like Harbaugh blame the OTHER TEAM and more fools agree with him. The common thread here? It's happening AT *ichigan!!. *ichigan is the common thread here and they are the problem. If Harbaugh made his players behave this doesn't occur. No one deserved to be assaulted but sometimes you do get back what you asked for and that #1 'Skippy' guy certainly went asking for it by skipping into Sparty and talking **it. Every time something like this comes up it's the Visitors fault? I don't think so Jim.
Cheers, and well said.
Remember this play? Fuck those guys. Looking forward to seeing Roman Wilson getting rocked via a clean hit.
"You ever hear of the saying "you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole." - Raylan Givens
Like Steele did to the Penn St. TE!
David Peck
Was there this much outrage when Juwaan Howard hit and threatened another coach??? don't coaches set the standard ? Didn't Harbaugh belittle Franklin for pointing this out just a few short weeks ago ?? It starts at the top.
Mark May is a mental midget
So an apology and a suspension are ok when the head UM MBB coach assaults an opposing coach during postgame formalities, but these kids should be figuratively guillotined for committing a similar act ? I don't recall Harbaugh calling for criminal charges to be levied against JH.
OSU better be mentally and physically prepared for TTUN this year bc they could be better than last year's team. OSU is better this year too, but let's be real. This _ichigan team is by FAR the best OSU will face. No illness excuses this time (in my best Thanos).
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
Beat Michigan
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Crush, Maim, Destroy, Annihilate, Castrate, Eviscerate, Devistate and Obliterate Michigan. Fck em.
I hope Michigan never wins another game.