Threat Level Isn't 100% Sure What a Great Team Looks Like Anymore, But a Very Good One is Much Easier to Identify

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rkylet83's picture

As severe as it’s been in long time.  Does everyone enjoying Michigan being really good again and standing in front of our dreams like a gorilla instead of a chihuahua?  To think some people here actually wanted this…

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sumaic's picture

I actually am glad. Chihuahua's are obnoxious and make bad opponents. Gorillas make great opponents and the bragging rights are earned. Kicking a dog, no matter how Michigander annoying it may be, is just cruel

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Dymatize's picture

Who gives a shit what animal shows up in the Shoe, as long as they have an M on their jersey they are getting their shit kicked in. 
 

Enough of this bullshit scared fan base. 
 

Not a single player in Scarlet and Gray isn’t salivating for a chance to destroy TTUN.

They aren’t scared, and we shouldn’t be either. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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YoungNut's picture

Damn, that got me hyped, not gonna lie!!!

F*ck ttun

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I have a feeling that prep for scUM has begun in earnest inside the WHAC.

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YoungNut's picture

Agreed, my theory is that this is why we always have injured players. I think ever since the ttun loss last year, Day has been kicking the shit out of the players at practice since everyone was calling us soft.

F*ck ttun

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TigerSweat's picture

I think it's weather dependant... If we get dry skies with no crazy wind - OSU wins comfortably. If it's raining/snowing and the wind is whipping through the Shoe - they're in for a fucking dog fight. M's secondary can't match up with our receivers

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DelhiWolverine's picture

No disrespect, but I don't think it's about how good OSU's receivers are, to be honest. Last year, OSU had the best WR group I have ever seen - they were incredible. And they put up ridiculous numbers - 394 yds through the air. I don't think anyone out there thinks that JSN / Harrison / Fleming is significantly better than JSN / Olave / Wilson. And it's the same elite QB throwing the ball. Michigan's secondary is as good or better than they were in 2021. So very little has changed in terms of the talent level with OSU's passing offense and Michigan's passing defense in its secondary. 

The real tipping point for The Game is how well the OSU offensive line protects Stroud through the course of the game. Part of that equation is how well they do with run blocking to keep Michigan from teeing off on their pass rush. OSU could not do this in 2021 and the Michigan D line created enough havoc to keep CJ just enough off balance to slow down the OSU offense and get critical stops. 

The Game in 2022 will be won and lost in the trenches - whoever has the better O and D lines will dictate the team that wins the game. Weather could come into play, but I think that Michigan stands a very good chance on a good weather day because I think their lines are very very good. 

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Dymatize's picture

The tipping point is we have a damn defense this season. 
 

It’s really that simple. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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BuckeyeBrons's picture

It really does boil down to the trenches. Mostly for our D-Line. 

The one key difference between last year and this year is our Defense. I believe if we can get just a couple stops - we can win the game. Our offense and Stroud did very well under pressure from UM Dline and blitzing. 

I think it comes down to our Dline if we win this game or not... we all know we are not going to run the ball on you or anyone at this point lol...

Bronson Lillemon

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MaxMermelstein's picture

yeah, because the thoughts of the people on this board have certainly changed the direction of michigan's program...

It's fun to beat michigan when they're good. It also increases the chance of losses. It is what it is.

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WarBuck's picture

This guy

I hope Michigan never wins another game.

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WarBuck's picture

It's fun to beat Michigan no matter what. Hope they're shit eternal

I hope Michigan never wins another game.

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TigerSweat's picture

Fact check: True

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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CreekBuck's picture

absofuckenlutely

Muck Fichigan

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WarBuck's picture

I hope Michigan never wins another game. I hope they're irrelevant every single year. I still get great pleasure stomping their asses. I don't need Michigan to be good to enjoy beating them.

I hope Michigan never wins another game.

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Doc's picture

I logged in just to upvote this.  Oyster and I were saying this very same thing on Saturday while watching the game.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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Dymatize's picture

Doc and Oyster?

Are you guys a morning radio show somewhere?

”Doc and Oyster in the morning on Q105.5 FM”

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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Doc's picture

Oyster was an original here at 11W, before your time.

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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MaineStrength's picture

As severe as it’s been in long time.  Does everyone enjoying Michigan being really good again and standing in front of our dreams like a gorilla instead of a chihuahua?  To think some people here actually wanted this…

In all fairness, nothing has changed since JH has been around.  I know OSU has won all but one of the games, but everyone was still quite nervous going into most of them during JH's era.  In the first meeting OSU was 10-1 going in with it's only loss to MSU and UM was 10-2 with it's only losses to MSU and Utah, which was the first game of the year and a really close game.  In 2016 we all know how everyone thought going in.  In 2017 I'd guess OSU was a clear favorite, but again only one game separated their records going into the game and UM's losses were to MSU & PSU.  2018 was very similar to 2016 going in and many thought UM was the favorite.  In 2019 I'd say OSU was a strong favorite and the game was never played in 2020.  So, other than the fact that UM finally won a game in 2021 and now everyone remembers it can actually happen and all close games won't go OSU's way, nothing has really changed from the perspective of going into the game.  OSU won almost all of them and certainly finished their year's much better than UM.  But, hindsight is 20/20.  Going into the game, it was almost always up in the air and the expectation of a close game that could go either way.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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Dymatize's picture

This is fair and this is why I liked Harbaugh for a bit. 

Highly ranked teams that never beat OSU. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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MaineStrength's picture

Highly ranked teams that never beat OSU. 

I truly give credit to Meyer's last ass kicking on the way out.  I really thought UM had a good chance to win that year to win as did many others, but it obviously was not a great game and Don Brown had no answer or adjustment to Day's passing offense.  To be honest looking back if UM had a coordinator like Mintor or McDonald that year that game would have looked very different.  Brown was great against Meyer's QB run heavy offense, but terrible against Day's QB throw centered offense.  And, 2016 was a coin flip call from a UM win.  I think just saying highly ranked teams that never beat OSU is not quite fair.  They really could have easily won in there and chance/luck has a bit of a role there.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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Stevettt's picture

I think just saying highly ranked teams that never beat OSU is not quite fair.

Let me see, you have just described the manner in which each of those highly ranked teams did, in fact, lose every time to support the conclusion that saying so is not fair. May I assume you are a graduate of the UM College of logic?

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SilverHaven's picture

Dynatize. This is fair, and why I liked Urban Friggin Meyer coaching The Game!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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brutus0717's picture

To the contrary...every year, until this year, I thought their record wasn't a reflection of how good they could be against a tough team. The record was always inflated against a usually down B1G, and I always felt OSU would expose that. And I was right, until last year. This year, my personal Threat Level is "I hope I don't start shitting my pants on Thursday of The Game week because I feel our Buckeyes have very real weaknesses". I'm more nervous than I've been in a long time.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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MaineStrength's picture

every year, until this year, I thought their record wasn't a reflection of how good they could be against a tough team.

I would love to see your posts going into 2016 & 2018 if you can find them.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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DelhiWolverine's picture

He's referring to Michigan when making this statement, not OSU. I'm sure his posting history reflects exactly those sentiments in 2016 and 2018, if only because the evidence (Michigan's record vs. OSU over the past decade) confirmed it.

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BuckeyeBattleCry11's picture

It's in the shoe this time....bring it.

Bbc11

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BuckCLE's picture

I have and never will understand a person the hopes for Michigan to lose any game except when they play OSU. I want them undefeated everytime we play them. In fact I want every team to be undefeated when we play them...

N High St. was my playground

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Bigmarty's picture

Because hate is not a sometimes thing.  True hate is NOT like a water faucet you turn on and off.  It's OK not to be a true hater.  It's probably good not to be a true hater.  I admit, among several other "bad" traits I AM A TRUE HATER.  IF scUM was playing the Taliban in checkers I would still TRULY hate them and want them skunked.  I apologize to all peaceniks for my evil ways.  I TRULY hated the manner in which they kicked our ass last year...mano to mano and fear it will be the same this year up front both ways in the run game.  Hope JSN is fully healthy to play.

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sumaic's picture

SEVERE is correct at this point...especially if there's any wind in the 11/26 forcast

Csr

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RickRocket's picture

Bring it on.

Go Bucks!

Beat IU.  Beat Xichigan!

Time and change will surely show how firm thy friendship, O HI O.

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Lisadvm's picture

I survived the Cooper years. I’ll be be happy with complete dominance from here on out!

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Buck Pooter's picture

I also suffer from PCSD. The past 20 years of OSU dominance has done nothing to quash my distaste for UM and utter hope for eternal primacy.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Arthur was awful.  Harbaugh is awful.  Go Bucks. 

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Buckeye Beast's picture

The Juicy Juice & Capri sun commercials that came on during Arthur back then were fire, though.

Established 1803

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stlbuckeye15's picture

Yep, they’re good and definitely a threat.
 

I know a TTUN fan who used to complain that they were a good QB away from being elite. The sad thing is that even without elite QB play they are more of a threat to the Bucks now than they used to be. It’s not that they’ve gotten much better, it’s that the Bucks seem to have gotten worse in the trenches, at least on offense. That gives TTUN a chance, even if they are at a disadvantage at the skill positions. 
 

“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey

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TigerSweat's picture

It feels like it's a scheme issue. We're seeing defenses do the same things every week now. I trust Day to adjust and evolve. He better because he's making a mint and has control of one of the most talented rosters in college football (maybe college football history).

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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DelhiWolverine's picture

I partly agree with you here. I think Day's recruiting has emphasized a different sort of O-lineman who is excellent at pass rushing, and OK at run blocking. Maybe it's also the emphasis in how they are coached. But I don't think OSU's O line is bad. They are still a good O Line. 

The difference is actually that MICHIGAN's O line has improved significantly in 2021/2022 from where they were in 2015-2019. Michigan always has had some pretty talented players on their D line (think Gary, Paye, Winovich) but they did not have depth of talent at that position until the past few years.

So you are likely seeing a couple things happening simultaneously. OSU's O Line (and D Line) are not quite as good as they have been historically, and Michigan's lines have improved significantly.   

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stlbuckeye15's picture

Not sure if we are recruiting a different caliber of lineman or if they are being coached differently. OSU's O-line is talented and not awful, but certainly not elite in the run game.

Yeah, I can imagine that TTUN's O-line has improved some. I believe that. D-line has always been respectable. So yeah, I agree with you that TTUN has improved in the trenches some (at least on offense) and it has coincided with OSU's O-line playing differently than in past years and struggling in the run game.

Urban Meyer preached that he wanted an O-line driven program and for the most part it showed. But the run game will only take you so far when you play an elite defense (see also OSU-Clemson 2016 and Georgia-TTUN 2021). So, the focus then became enhancing the offense by passing better. That box has been checked but it seems to have come at the cost of maintaining the integrity of a power run game, which plays into one of TTUN's strengths- a solid front 7. 

OSU's offense has a higher ceiling because it is tougher to stop an elite pass game than an elite run game. But TTUN will run over most teams on the ground and that will win them a lot of games.

We'll see how far the pass game and defense can take this Buckeye team but I don't have much confidence at all in the run game up to this point. Hoping for calm weather on the 26th.

“If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.”
-Jack Handey

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Goby's picture

Last I heard, Classic Recipe Arthur was living in a bunker somewhere, trying to make a living selling tableware on Etsy with "Live Laugh Love" on printed on the side.
 

Strong like horseradish, sir!

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever.

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TigerSweat's picture

Well, at least we didn't get a virtue lecture this week! Silver linings

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Johnny Ginter's picture

thanks for reading, see you next week

brutus0717's picture

Snark and arrogance in just seven words. Well done!

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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WarBuck's picture

Concur.

I hope Michigan never wins another game.

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Thurdsty's picture

Being fundamentally sound for four quarters is how this game is won.
Both teams will be challenged.
The most disciplined team will win.

Behold the chunky whoop ass.

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drclau's picture

Hmm, have I seen that blocked punt before. Oh yes, that’s right… https://imgur.com/wHxdT7d.gif

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TShell's picture

I can enjoy ripping hearts out at the end of the season by beating a good Michigan team that thinks they are going places.

I can also revel in the years where they are so terrible they legitimately fear how badly they will lose. Right up to that line where they consider cancelling the game because of "COVID".

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Dymatize's picture

Amen. 
True fan. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

It should be severe. This is no longer a game, to everyone who wanted them to be good, well you can just fuck right off

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beat downs.

 

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jimschehr's picture

TTUN is both mentally and physically tough. They don’t have stupid penalties either. The GAME will be won in the trenches which favors TTUN. The Buckeyes know that they have to stop the run and TTUN knows they have to stop the pass. Winner takes all! 

Try not to suck

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Dymatize's picture

The game favors TTUN?

I’m 100% convinced you’re a TTUN troll now. 
 

Every single one of your posts are how they are better than OSU. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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jimschehr's picture

not necessarily a loser-go-home game, but a loss does mean no chance at a conference championship game, which will hurt. Meanwhile, the winner will get an easy title-game matchup and a likely spot in the playoff.

Try not to suck

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BuckeyeBattleCry11's picture

We just watched GA dismantle the pass...hope ichigan wasn't paying attention.

Bbc11

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Put_In_Cardale's picture

TTUN and GA shouldn't even be compared, I thought we learned that this past January. 

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Steelydan54's picture

After last years poor showing, Day hired a Head Coach for the Defense and he and the Buckeyes will not get run over this year. The Buckeye Offense will come prepared  to pass enough to open up the run and win the game. We may blow them out or it may be close but we will not lose this game!  The Severe rating is justified but has little bearing on the game itself, and that's ok cuz it's a fun read!

Steelybuck54

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Steelydan54's picture

After last years poor showing, Day hired a Head Coach for the Defense and he and the Buckeyes will not get run over this year. The Buckeye Offense will come prepared  to pass enough to open up the run and win the game. We may blow them out or it may be close but we will not lose this game!  The Severe rating is justified but has little bearing on the game itself, and that's ok cuz it's a fun read!

Steelybuck54

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KillrNut's picture

I'd go high or elevated, not severe. 

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NOBLUE's picture

Hopefully the Buckeyes miraculously get mean nasty and with their hair on fire by the time they play Shitigan but if OSU played them today they would be taken behind the woodshed .....

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Dymatize's picture

This guy and his woodshed again. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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Ozdragon's picture

Never underestimate TTUN, I am expecting a dog fight, repeat of 2006.

Two heavy weights slugging it out for 60 minutes with the BUCKEYES coming out victorious.

GO BUCKEYES!!!

Ozdragon

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DelhiWolverine's picture

I've been saying that we will either see a game similar to 2006 or 2016, and I'm not sure which one. If we get 2006, I think OSU wins. If we get 2016, it will be Michigan. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

OSU swill beat TTUN by four touchdowns. Don’t get too high on your own supply, champ. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Dymatize's picture

Message board swagger. 
I like it. 

The ‘19 team was our best ever.

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mb5599's picture

No worries!  I am sure Day has been very vanilla and holding some great plays back for this game. /s

Big B

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wantagoback's picture

Yea xichigan will be coming to the Shoe with their run game  Qb included . Their defense will constantly be running around our ends and disrupt the play behind the line of scrimmage that's what they do . 

RLMay

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

It all comes down to 11/26... Everything happening up until then will be pretty much meaningless... A one game season, been a long time since Michigan has consistently offered the one game season scenario for the Buckeyes.

The Excellence of Execution, the Best there is, the Best there was, the Best there ever will be!

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Midwestbuck's picture

Beating a good scUM team is phenomenal, because knowing their fans suddenly think they're the team to beat after 1 win in decades and then rubbing it in their faces when they lose is great. BUT it's absolutely just as phenomenal to watch them lose to Toledo or App state, have punts blocked to lose games in the final seconds, run away from ass whoopings in the shoe when their team is 2-4, and ultimately hope they never win another game. Hell I'd love to see the athletic department pull the funding for their team because they're so bad and disgraceful at some point in the future. What joy it would be knowing all those scUM fans would be able to watch the bucks play on Saturdays but not their former turd squad. That's ultimate salt. Just a dream from a real buckeye fan.

ibleedscarletandgray

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Big 'Ole Buck's picture

It's going to be a Hell of a game.  I never thought I would see more talent on the field than I did in 2006.  This year could come very, very close.  

Can't wait.  

Go Bucks!

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

If they are this good, and their floor is so high, then both teams from “the game” should make it into the playoffs. Right? No, the fact of the matter is that TTUN blew it in the playoffs last year, and embarrassed themselves in a ridiculous fashion against Georgia and that is why they are not good and nobody actually respects them or else everybody would be saying that, “it doesn’t matter who wins or loses the game. Both teams are getting in at this point.” But they’re not. And that it tells you everything you need to know.

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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EffMarkMay's picture

Let me see if I can do this right: {clears throat and typing in my best MGo 'voice}: Rutgers had total control and gifted UM 3 turnovers which completely made the game look worse than it was - UM turned those into points, but really not that impressed - more of a reflection of Rutgers being terrible than UM being good.  Not impressed by the running game - just over 100 each, Corum should be out of the Heisman race with those pedestrian numbers and no way Harbaugh let's that QB be anything more than a game manager - he can't let someone else outshine his own UM career..... {wow, it's really hard to be as delusional as some of the MGo faithful}

In all seriousness, The Game this year has the makings of a really good 2006/2016 level game.  It seems that Harbaugh has found his way to consistently competing in the Big 10 (a lot like the later Tressel teams, I don't think UM is built to really compete Nationally - at this point).  I'll be curious to see if UM can maintain the pipeline of quality NFL assistants, imposing o-line, workhorse RBs, and good defensive units into the future, but for 2022, 'Severe' is the pick - until order is restored and OSU is on the way to 10 more years of winning!

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Optobuck's picture

Michigan is better than some think and will be tough to beat.  This will be a classic War.  Anything is possible.  Home field is enormous.  I hope the crowd is vicious.

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Buckeye Barefooter's picture

The Rutgers punt block looked like the same play Schiano drew up for the Buckeyes against Michigan in 2018.  Maybe we should try it again this year.

A bad day on the water beats a good day at work.

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mynameiswoody's picture

I want them to go 0-12 every year. I hate them that much. I lived through the earl bruce 9-3 seasons and the coop coop cooper is a quit quit quitter years. 

tOSU

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