I had noticed, maybe 10 days ago, that LSU had moved ahead of OSU in the recruiting rankings (247 composite) but I couldn't figure out how. I didn't see a new commitment at the time. Now they are back to 7th after losing 6 or so points yet I don't see a decommitment. The Buckeye are now back up to 6th. Anyone have a clue what happened there or perhaps just a 247 computing error?
247 now has both a recruit-only class ranking and overall rankings, which includes transfers in. In the recruit-only ranking, OSU is 6th with 287.66. In overall, OSU is 7th, with 290.39. So the difference you’re seeing is that LSU is adding more points via their transfers
Gotcha, that makes sense. I had assumed at the time that LSU passed OSU with a transfer but I didn't realize they now have two split rankings. That's good, as adding transfers to a recruiting class is a bit odd to me. I know JUCO guys used to be but they didn't tend to impact the rankings to the extent the large amount of transfers are now. Regular transfers who weren't from JUCO never used to be added into class rankings.
Nope, they only account for additions. The only place transfers out will be accounted for is in the team talent composite that will be updated next summer.
Kirby Smart: "I've always said that states that have spring football practice, your kids leave high school football one year ahead of the states that don't."
— Ralph D. Russo (@ralphDrussoAP) January 8, 2023
When Ryan Day first took the head coaching job this seemed to be an important issue to him. He said at one point they were close to getting something done regarding spring football. I haven’t heard much since over the past couple of years.
If he gives up having complete control of the offense there are really "big issue" items he can be spending his time on - getting the Buckeyes out in front of the NIL movement, transitioning from recruiting to roster management, studying the details of what other successful programs do, and even something like spending real energy on issues like this one. Southern kids are just ahead of Ohio kids. We have the inside track on Ohio kids but they are not as far along as kids from the south.
Ohio needs to clean up education overbuilding football facilities. Warren has a great stadium and no one goes any more. Holds about 16,000 can't get 6 in there.
Ohio States 11 early enrollees who will begin their Buckeye careers this week:
WR Carnell Tate
WR Noah Rogers
WR Bryson Rodgers
TE Jelani Thurman
OT Luke Montgomery
OT Miles Walker
G Austin Siereveld
C Joshua Padilla
DT Will Smith Jr.
CB Jermaine Mathews
S Malik Hartford https://t.co/earnugJnTV
— Dan Hope (@Dan_Hope) January 9, 2023
Innis will still play early. He is further along in development then the other WR recruits. He has a burst that just can't be taught. He isn't going to regret shit. I'm sure if he could have come in earlier he would have.
Bullets will be back to save the season, and Stroud's dignity.
Yeah, they are some of the ones that are probably most important to get in there. With body changes, gaining weight and so on in addition to technique and so on. It is important for anybody but OL in particular. I hope they all become great.
One thing with Inniss though is that the other 3 receivers that were brought in are all outside guys I believe, I think Inniss is destined to play the slot and I think he will excel there with his burst and short area quickness.
And just when y’all thought 2023 was done, Parker Fleming is out there trying to nab us another kicker. Toledo Blade article about Ottawa Hills Kicker Emilio Duran …
With a recent scholarship offer from Michigan State and an upcoming visit from Ohio State …
Last week, one of Ohio State's punters, Michael O'Shaughnessy, entered the transfer portal. Members of the Buckeye coaching staff are coming to Ottawa Hills on Friday to watch Duran kick.
I wonder since we did not get any cornerbacks or offensive tackles from the portal, that we feel good about some recruits that will sign in the late signing period in Feb. Sure haven't heard anything.
Transfers used to be guys looking for a chance at playing more. The portal is mostly guys looking for guarantee’s in money and starting jobs. That limits the pool of candidates. OSU wants guys to come here and compete with the guys we currently have. Carter said yes, the others said no thanks.
I think the portal is still mostly guys looking for a better opportunity to play. The best of those guys are highly desirable, and so NIL be comes a factor for them. And of course if they are stuck behind someone better and moving on to get more PT then of course they are want to know that is a realistic possibility. They are not going to want to move somewhere and still not get much pt.
This is my theory as well: 1) starters on good G5, lower tier P5 or upper tier FCS looking for more exposure (and possibly NIL), and 2) backups on good teams moving down to lower tier or laterally to a rebuilding program (e.g., Auburn, Wisconsin) where they can start. No one wants the backup on a bad team. Those are the guys who are left with nowhere to sit when the music stops.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Our pool was small from the get taking only certain type of players now they want money too. Still think Portal kids are mostly looking for pt and most are not going to get paid good but not elite. Lastly Day will not promise PT so our pool is small along with being shallow too.
From my reading I am not sure feeling good is the right word. I think they feel better than the fanbase does but it is also clear they want a CB and OT from the portal. The issue is their targets either did not want to go to OSU for whatever reason or OSU did not see guys they were high on.
Other problems include that the portal opens when playoff teams are focused on playoff and winning now. So, you miss out. OSU does not seem to be as in on tampering and getting into contact before they are allowed. NIL policy hurts with some kids (I presume FSU and others are pushing that hard to become somewhat good again).
So, there were slimmer pickings. The goal will be to address some of these areas in the spring when things open up again and more guys transfer. Guys in the portal are not transferring to be part of depth. They want to start. So, if you have starters set than those guys do not help you. At best you recruit for guys that know it may take a year or so before they start and that is your depth. It is harder than ever before.
So is the 2023 class pretty much wrapped up? Have any of the experts chimed in on any other HS players who are being targeted? Not referring to portal players.
A lot of recent phenomena happening lately that could change things: early signing period, early enrollees, and the portal plus NIL but that might be less important in this scenario: what happens if a 2023 enrolls early but is unhappy with his spring experience—is there anything that can prevent him from hitting the portal in May and being automatically eligible to play for another team in the fall? It could be a result of homesickness, depth chart, unfulfilled promises (e.g., NIL), or a million other reasons but what’s to keep a 2023 EE from transferring out?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
what happens if a 2023 enrolls early but is unhappy with his spring experience—is there anything that can prevent him from hitting the portal in May and being automatically eligible to play for another team in the fall?
I had that same question/thought in another thread. Not sure if they would have to ask for a release or what the deal would be.
SEC country stayed away we kicked the tires for need but it didn't happen. Kentucky takes many questionable players. I put him as questionable or not a fit. Turns out not really needed now imo.
It's actually a good thing that Colorado is getting these 5 and 4 star southeast players because if they didn't go to Colorado (PAC12 school), they would be going to either a SEC or ACC school.
Personally, while there very well could be NIL incentives—although it’s hard for me to see Colorado's collectives having very deep pockets—I think a lot of it is playing for Deion Sanders as taken on an almost mystical allure.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If they let him out it will open another can of worms. To me it's no different than a coach leaving. When you signed up it's not always everything you thought it would be. First mistake was going to a school you really didn't want.
I assumed he signed a contract. If he's holding up his end of the deal and they are not paying isn't that simple breach of contract. I want one of these deals to end up in court to shed a little more public light on the whole process/
Pretty sure that their coach brings a bit of NIL money along with him. I am sure he is a good recruiter as well but given he has no track record no way you get those kids away without loads of money too.
For the love of Christ, aren’t you people tired of whining about NIL bag men with zero facts to back it up anytime a player doesn’t come here and any player that comes here is is only interested culture and development?
Zero facts huh? I guess the story being reported by every sports entity about jaden Rashada being promised $13 million to flip from Miami to florida then it being rescinded after he signed his LOI doesn’t count. The bagmen stories aren’t made up. They just don’t win every recruiting battle but they had an impact on our class. At the very least, it’s why we lost mark Fletcher.
Mathews and CSH finished as a #1 and #2 corners on On3’s final rankings. Mathews a 5 star and the 14th ranked overall player. On3 fucking loves OSU CBs
Not sure how I feel about their rankings. It’s cool when they rank Buckeye players high but they just seem to be off the consensus by a wide margin on a lot of players. They rank Noah Rogers as a 5* #3 WR yet somehow have Inniss ranked as the 16th! Best WR. Hmm.
Their issue with Inniss seems to be personal. Inniss and the SFE have publicly criticized and called them for their ranking and they seem to be holding a grudge
I think that started due to On3 ranking him somewhat low though, so that was always their stance on Inniss. Charles Power is the main guy who ranks prospects for On3 and I'd be interested to know how many others really have much say in the process. I always got the feeling the rankings were mostly based on who Power likes, but maybe more people are involved than I suspect.
I am pretty confident that Ewers was hurt the whole back half of the season and it led to inconsistency. That being said, he's definitely not an elite processor or decision maker at the college level yet. He is very young and missed his senior year of HS, but I think that is a real learning curve for him. His raw arm talent is definitely very very real. Will be interesting to see how he does later in his career and if he forces his way to the NFL next year or is content to wait if he isn't ready. He kinda reminds me of a more talented rattler in a lot of ways. Both have great arm talent, not great processors, miss things, inconsistent, high end talent, neither are as mobile as you'd think they would/could be. Will be interesting.
I'm not sure why people are so down on McCord. He has really good upside. He will arguably be ahead of where Stroud was when he made his first start and he has played with marv for years now. I expect those two to get off to a running start next year. We also have another guy behind him that is very talented as well. Whoever wins the job will do well if the line can hold up.
Shiny toys lose some of their shine after sitting for 2 years I guess. I think he’s ready to roll and Brown has a year under his belt so he’s ready to compete as well. This is the ideal situation.
It is a case of the shiny new thing more than anything. McCord is very talented and has been in the system longer. Stroud beat him out and was crazy talented and the coaches liked what he brought to the table more.
I think my only gripe, not against McCord, would be that it would have been nice to see him run the full offense for a drive or two at some point. He was obviously second string for a reason behind Stroud, but that does not mean he will not be successful.
Remember though that at OSU even if you play well he will be torn up for not doing something well enough for somebody who will post enough to make sure that it feels like common knowledge.
Day took a lot of citicism late in the year. But one area that I think was completely justified was how little he did to get real game-time experience for his backup QBs. He was questioned about it once this year and he said that with a big lead he wanted to "respect the game". To me that's nonsense. Leaving the starters in too long is rubbing it in. But letting your backup QB, running with your second team guys, run the offense to get some experience is an essential part of a coach's job. He missed a chance to get his backup experience running the offense, and there's a chance that might come back to bite him next year. No amount of practice is the same as real game experience.
I think it was justified to a point. As I do understand respect for the game. That said, if the offense already looked good I do not know why the starters needed to keep runnin the offense deep into the game. I would have taken a drive or two with the backup QB going at it.
That said, I think Day got hammered so much, much of it unrreasonable to me, that it all becomes numb I guess. I am not saying that he did not deserve criticism but just judging by this board I have to wonder at times why he was not fired after each game.
Day definitely gets nitpicked a lot but it comes with the territory. We are trying to get to the top and attention to detail is very important in getting there. At the end of the day, I think we have the right guy here. He knows what he is doing and I trust him to get us there. Should he have gotten McCord/Brown some more reps? Probably, but I think getting reps against bad teams that are either completely worn down or playing their backups is a little overrated. I would have preferred that they got more reps but if they fail, I doubt it will be because of that.
The oline stayed in too long and the backups could have had more reps also. I think he truly went style points and padding a qb's stats. Respect for the game is not running up the score on a team that quit at half time.
This is the downside of having a QB that is a Heisman contender. I can guarantee that is why CJ was in the game so late on multiple occasions. You're crazy if you don't think Day knows how many Heisman winners Lincoln Riley has and he wants to show he can do it as well.
He has never had a Heisman winner but still gets the credit and well deserved of being a qb guru. So if he is packing up stats which we don't know for sure it's not working. Day is risking injury to his qb and reps for his backups of the future. OMO the Heisman is a bogus award to begin with. QB's have won the Davey Obrian and lost out on the Heisman. Each position has an award of being the best and the Heisman is not always the best player in that year. Day has also said in pressers the risk of Stroud running the ball yet he keeps him in the game to long I feel just a thought.
Here's three reasons why you should trust Ryan Day instead of not trusting Kyle McCord
Dwayne Haskins
Justin Fields
CJ Stroud
Also, Georgia just won back to back National Championships with a former walk-on as their QB who most likely will never play a game in the NFL. Ohio State won their only National Championship in 20 years because of their 3rd string QB and I believe Urban said that year, "the QB is a product of the team around him"..
Just from watching his stints in the last two years and his hudl tape, I'd say he's about as mobile or more mobile than Haskins, less mobile than Stroud. However, aside from the UGA game, he looks more willing to tuck the ball than Stroud was.
There's also a subtle part of QB play - the ability to just move WITHIN the pocket, not outside of it. A guy like Brady is as immobile as a QB gets. Yet he takes a step or two up into the pocket, or sideways, or up and then back again. Somehow he, and a few others with that skill, can read the pass rushers and the blockers while still watching the action downfield. It's not always the guy that can roll out and throw on the run. Sometimes it's the guy that can buy and extra second or two in the pocket to find a guy and then has a much better base to throw accurately.
Buckeye - That’s 100% true. I remember recently going back and reading a scouting take on McCord when he was coming out of high school and it basically said McCord excelled at exactly what you are referencing.
Based on what I have seen, I would compare McCord’s mobility to a statue. Hopefully he has improved in that area. This is one of the reasons I am team Brown. However, I trust the coaches to start the player that gives us the best chance to win.
If you want to make the world a better place take a look at what Kevin Warren is doing and do the opposite.
Just throwing this out there. You really don't have to be fast at qb but when they give you space take it. Cardale Jones was neither fast or mobile but got it done. I think Day told Stroud to not run?
You don't need to be Justin Fields, or Braxton Miller or Terrelle Pryor to be an effective runner. But we need that element in our offense. It gave us a chance to get in range for Ruggles. In the words of Herman Boone in Remember the Titans, "I don't care if you're black, green, blue, white or orange," if you're named QB1 of our program, you will run and move the sticks by any means necessary.
Cormani McClain (#1) CB flips from the U to Colorado. Say what you will about Prime, he’s improving that roster in a hurry. Between recruits and transfers he’s got 42(!) new players coming in and the third ranked Pac-12 class in the combined ranking, just behind Oregon and USC
I thought I read a tweet that Colorado was having money issues when it comes to paying Deion. How can they afford to pay this kid? The boosters might need to make sure the coach get's paid first
Colorado was 1-11. Going 8-4 would be a seven-win swing. It's not unheard of--Tulane was 2-10 in 2021 and 12-2 in 2022--but highly unlikely. Colorado plays three of the four teams you listed in the first five games.
Nebraska (in Boulder) should be better under Matt Rhule. He's picked up eight transfers since the portal opened.
Oregon State (in Boulder) is coming off a 10-3 season, returns its QB, 1,000 yard RB, and picked up D.J. Uiagalelei through the portal.
UCLA (in Los Angeles) was 9-4, loses DTR but picks up Dante Moore, who looks ready to play already. Chip Kelly has also gotten 11 transfers since November.
Washington State (in Pullman) was 7-6 and has QB Cameron Ward back.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Whatever Deion is doing at Colorado, I wish we could be doing here at OSU. Deion on the recruiting trail reminds me of Urban when he first got to OSU. Players want to play for him.
Kids are gonna be attracted to the charismatic coaches like Urban and Deion, but after the initial excitement ends, you have to produce to keep those 4 and 5 stars coming year after year. Urban did that, we will have to see if Deion can duplicate it.
NPB -- I'm absolutely fascinated with Deion and his gravitas. I don't know if it's sustainable but what guy to be the face of a new era in college football. No rooting interest if he succeeds or fails but I'll be watching closely just to see how it goes.
He seems flashy but success will define it going forward. Guys want to play for OSU as well. I imagine that Sanders brings in alot of NIL as well. Which is mainly OSU's problem at the moment.
Deion lost with a stacked team at a lower level. How’s he going to do more with less at Colorado? He’ll get some top DB’s for obvious reasons. Not impossible but nothing close to being a safe bet either.
I think the point is that Deion still had far more talent on roster than his opponents both years and didn't win. He had guys on roster who had no business playing down at the FCS level.
While Deion will have more talent at Colorado than Colorado usually does, he will not wield the same type of talent gap at Colorado that he did at Jackson State. We're about to see if Deion can now coach and run a coaching staff at a high level, against similar competition, and win.
Deion certainly has the swagger and the clout from his playing days, he's a name. But I don't know if he has the ability to build a legitimate program at the Power 5 level. You need serious coaching chops, incredible assistant coaches, elite support staff, and a donor base with big money, and a large fanbase. You need a damn good infrastructure to be successful. Colorado doesn't have a rich tradition of winning. Coaching at a HBCU is one thing. They probably thought Deion was a God, easily the most excitable, interesting coach they could ever have. Deion made Jackson State feel like they were more than they really were. He was a blue whale in a small pond. Power 5 football is very different. Flash, flare and swagger can only take you so far. He can certainly recruit, and that is big, but A LOT goes into building a perennial successful program that goes against USC, Oregon, Washington, etc. Colorado did build a new facility and that helps, too. We'll see.
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you confused about something?
Nobody was jumping in with good updates. I sometimes fail trying to be funny.
Another one :)
I had noticed, maybe 10 days ago, that LSU had moved ahead of OSU in the recruiting rankings (247 composite) but I couldn't figure out how. I didn't see a new commitment at the time. Now they are back to 7th after losing 6 or so points yet I don't see a decommitment. The Buckeye are now back up to 6th. Anyone have a clue what happened there or perhaps just a 247 computing error?
Weird. I just pulled up 247 to check it out and Bucks are still 7th with 290.30.
Nevermind. The 290.39 and 7th was homepage. When I look up team rankings they are 6th, but at 287.66. Very weird.
Was there a re-rank?
I thought the final rankings had been triple stamped, no erasies…
247 now has both a recruit-only class ranking and overall rankings, which includes transfers in. In the recruit-only ranking, OSU is 6th with 287.66. In overall, OSU is 7th, with 290.39. So the difference you’re seeing is that LSU is adding more points via their transfers
Gotcha, that makes sense. I had assumed at the time that LSU passed OSU with a transfer but I didn't realize they now have two split rankings. That's good, as adding transfers to a recruiting class is a bit odd to me. I know JUCO guys used to be but they didn't tend to impact the rankings to the extent the large amount of transfers are now. Regular transfers who weren't from JUCO never used to be added into class rankings.
That is hard to figure. Does that mean when somebody transfers out it will get deducted.
Nope, they only account for additions. The only place transfers out will be accounted for is in the team talent composite that will be updated next summer.
I was thinking a hanging chad
Denny
Good looking group …
Thought the same thing when I saw the pic yesterday.
I’d be happy if they’d just start by allowing organized 7on7.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
When Ryan Day first took the head coaching job this seemed to be an important issue to him. He said at one point they were close to getting something done regarding spring football. I haven’t heard much since over the past couple of years.
If he gives up having complete control of the offense there are really "big issue" items he can be spending his time on - getting the Buckeyes out in front of the NIL movement, transitioning from recruiting to roster management, studying the details of what other successful programs do, and even something like spending real energy on issues like this one. Southern kids are just ahead of Ohio kids. We have the inside track on Ohio kids but they are not as far along as kids from the south.
I am not sure if Day alone could change the football schedule. He could push harder but he is not going to be able to do it alone.
Ohio needs more/better facilities to house indoor football seasons
Ohio needs to clean up education overbuilding football facilities. Warren has a great stadium and no one goes any more. Holds about 16,000 can't get 6 in there.
Denny
Inniss isn’t enrolling early? Dang.
Yeah that could wind up biting him in the ass for a long time tbh.
Innis will still play early. He is further along in development then the other WR recruits. He has a burst that just can't be taught. He isn't going to regret shit. I'm sure if he could have come in earlier he would have.
Bullets will be back to save the season, and Stroud's dignity.
It has to do with his HS and their structure that doesn't allow him to enroll early
I think he and CSH both go to schools that don't allow them to graduate early.
From all things I’ve heard CSH could but really wants to run track his final year.
God Bless
Good for him. You are only young the once.
What about Benjamin Button?
If you want to make the world a better place take a look at what Kevin Warren is doing and do the opposite.
Innis will still play early, unless the other WR from this past class take a huge step forward.
Half the class is huge for next year. Going to be huge for the development especially for the OL.
Love that those four OL are part of the group. Get in here, get in the weight room, start eating right, and learn the system early.
Yeah, they are some of the ones that are probably most important to get in there. With body changes, gaining weight and so on in addition to technique and so on. It is important for anybody but OL in particular. I hope they all become great.
One thing with Inniss though is that the other 3 receivers that were brought in are all outside guys I believe, I think Inniss is destined to play the slot and I think he will excel there with his burst and short area quickness.
The early enrollees (plus two other guys I don't recognize). Guess these guys aren't recruits anymore.
If anyone can put names to the faces (from left to right) that would be great!
Standing, left to right:
OL Joshua Padilla
Unnamed walk on presumably
OL Miles Walker
WR Noah Rogers
Another unnamed walk on
OL Luke Montgomery
S Malik Hartford
RB Wiltrell Hartson
WR Bryson Rodgers
WR Carnell Tate
DT Will Smith Jr.
OL Austin Siereveld
Crouching:
TE Jelani Thurman
CB Jermaine Mathews
Thank you, much appreciated!
Pretty sure the walk ons at least have names man.. haha but thanks for going thru the work of saying whose who in the picture
Nicholas l Ernst
I think the 2nd unnamed walk-on could be WR Brennen Schramm (https://www.instagram.com/bschramm18/?hl=en) though not positive
I forgot Siereveld is already listed at 6'5 320 - he looks like a junior.
Dude looks like a future All American tackle to me lol
There was a third walk-on, but Sierveld got hungry. Geez that man is a behemoth!
Hmm
Oh those two are long snappers…
God Bless
We are winning the long snapper arms race… that’s why Parker Fleming makes the big bucks
Don't forget the kickers.
We have lost the two best on the team and Ruggles
Denny
Stop saying Ruggles, it’s still too soon.
Already bonding.
Lined Kingston off the Big Board.
And just when y’all thought 2023 was done, Parker Fleming is out there trying to nab us another kicker. Toledo Blade article about Ottawa Hills Kicker Emilio Duran …
And I was like, EMILIOOOOO!
Nice Katan reference
Sometimes it feels like they're ducking with us.
I wonder since we did not get any cornerbacks or offensive tackles from the portal, that we feel good about some recruits that will sign in the late signing period in Feb. Sure haven't heard anything.
Transfers used to be guys looking for a chance at playing more. The portal is mostly guys looking for guarantee’s in money and starting jobs. That limits the pool of candidates. OSU wants guys to come here and compete with the guys we currently have. Carter said yes, the others said no thanks.
I think the portal is still mostly guys looking for a better opportunity to play. The best of those guys are highly desirable, and so NIL be comes a factor for them. And of course if they are stuck behind someone better and moving on to get more PT then of course they are want to know that is a realistic possibility. They are not going to want to move somewhere and still not get much pt.
This is my theory as well: 1) starters on good G5, lower tier P5 or upper tier FCS looking for more exposure (and possibly NIL), and 2) backups on good teams moving down to lower tier or laterally to a rebuilding program (e.g., Auburn, Wisconsin) where they can start. No one wants the backup on a bad team. Those are the guys who are left with nowhere to sit when the music stops.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Our pool was small from the get taking only certain type of players now they want money too. Still think Portal kids are mostly looking for pt and most are not going to get paid good but not elite. Lastly Day will not promise PT so our pool is small along with being shallow too.
Denny
From my reading I am not sure feeling good is the right word. I think they feel better than the fanbase does but it is also clear they want a CB and OT from the portal. The issue is their targets either did not want to go to OSU for whatever reason or OSU did not see guys they were high on.
Other problems include that the portal opens when playoff teams are focused on playoff and winning now. So, you miss out. OSU does not seem to be as in on tampering and getting into contact before they are allowed. NIL policy hurts with some kids (I presume FSU and others are pushing that hard to become somewhat good again).
So, there were slimmer pickings. The goal will be to address some of these areas in the spring when things open up again and more guys transfer. Guys in the portal are not transferring to be part of depth. They want to start. So, if you have starters set than those guys do not help you. At best you recruit for guys that know it may take a year or so before they start and that is your depth. It is harder than ever before.
So is the 2023 class pretty much wrapped up? Have any of the experts chimed in on any other HS players who are being targeted? Not referring to portal players.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Never say never, but if there isn't any buzz at this point in the cycle it's a pretty safe bet that they're done with the '23 class.
A lot of recent phenomena happening lately that could change things: early signing period, early enrollees, and the portal plus NIL but that might be less important in this scenario: what happens if a 2023 enrolls early but is unhappy with his spring experience—is there anything that can prevent him from hitting the portal in May and being automatically eligible to play for another team in the fall? It could be a result of homesickness, depth chart, unfulfilled promises (e.g., NIL), or a million other reasons but what’s to keep a 2023 EE from transferring out?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I had that same question/thought in another thread. Not sure if they would have to ask for a release or what the deal would be.
RB Jamarion Wilcox has committed to Kentucky.
I think he’s really good player. I’m not sure why OSU never pursued him harder or gained traction per his recruitment. Oh well.
SEC country stayed away we kicked the tires for need but it didn't happen. Kentucky takes many questionable players. I put him as questionable or not a fit. Turns out not really needed now imo.
Denny
Because we have no room for another running back
Cormani McClain has received a couple crystal balls to Colorado.
They're about to have Travis Hunter and Cormani McClain
“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum
They’ll rule the mighty pac 12 in a couple years. Nobody will know or care by then tho since usc/ucla are leaving.
It's actually a good thing that Colorado is getting these 5 and 4 star southeast players because if they didn't go to Colorado (PAC12 school), they would be going to either a SEC or ACC school.
Wow. I thought he got a big bag to go to Miami.
I doubt that Colorado is handing out coupons.
Personally, while there very well could be NIL incentives—although it’s hard for me to see Colorado's collectives having very deep pockets—I think a lot of it is playing for Deion Sanders as taken on an almost mystical allure.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Maybe for the dispensary. Bags and what not.
Hmm
These are I owe yous and they are just as good as money.
The florida IOU’s are bouncing like crazy right now
Just saw Rashada asking out of NLI.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35469311/reports-florida-qb-commit-asks-nil-deal-falls-apart
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
If they let him out it will open another can of worms. To me it's no different than a coach leaving. When you signed up it's not always everything you thought it would be. First mistake was going to a school you really didn't want.
Denny
Could get interesting. The LOI is with the University, the NIL deal with the Collective. I smell a lawsuit brewing.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I assumed he signed a contract. If he's holding up his end of the deal and they are not paying isn't that simple breach of contract. I want one of these deals to end up in court to shed a little more public light on the whole process/
Pretty sure that their coach brings a bit of NIL money along with him. I am sure he is a good recruiter as well but given he has no track record no way you get those kids away without loads of money too.
For the love of Christ, aren’t you people tired of whining about NIL bag men with zero facts to back it up anytime a player doesn’t come here and any player that comes here is is only interested culture and development?
How much were you paid to write that?
What do you mean, "you people?"
Zero facts huh? I guess the story being reported by every sports entity about jaden Rashada being promised $13 million to flip from Miami to florida then it being rescinded after he signed his LOI doesn’t count. The bagmen stories aren’t made up. They just don’t win every recruiting battle but they had an impact on our class. At the very least, it’s why we lost mark Fletcher.
Mathews and CSH finished as a #1 and #2 corners on On3’s final rankings. Mathews a 5 star and the 14th ranked overall player. On3 fucking loves OSU CBs
They had Brown as the number one player in the country last year. Maybe they just love OSU.
Not sure how I feel about their rankings. It’s cool when they rank Buckeye players high but they just seem to be off the consensus by a wide margin on a lot of players. They rank Noah Rogers as a 5* #3 WR yet somehow have Inniss ranked as the 16th! Best WR. Hmm.
Their issue with Inniss seems to be personal. Inniss and the SFE have publicly criticized and called them for their ranking and they seem to be holding a grudge
I think that started due to On3 ranking him somewhat low though, so that was always their stance on Inniss. Charles Power is the main guy who ranks prospects for On3 and I'd be interested to know how many others really have much say in the process. I always got the feeling the rankings were mostly based on who Power likes, but maybe more people are involved than I suspect.
On3 has always been the best/most accurate ranking service.
Absolutely; none of us have ever questioned them.
Just looked, I forgot how much 247 hated Jermaine Matthews as a prospect.
There's no way Mathews is the 29th best CB. That's laughable to me.
MrBuck24
I don't trust Kyle McCord to step up we need a 5 star QB. We are really going to miss Quinn Ewers this year.
ROSU
McCord was a five star prospect
Never let facts get in the way of a hot take.
Hmm
Never let facts get in the way of a
hoterroneous and stupid take.It’s an obvious troll job. I’m sure that dude never watched McCord’s HS tape where he was making NFL throws at that young age.
Word on the street was McCord was better than Ewers and coaches thought McCord would beat out Ewers in a head-to-head competition for QB2 in 2022
We're going to be just fine with McCord or Devin Brown
Not to mention JJ McCarthy….this year McCord gets to prove it on the field in AA
After watching Ewers play a few times this year, I’d say that’s probably pretty accurate.
What does this have to do with 2023 recruiting, in which OSU landed its QB and the cycle is basically over?
Ewers was NOT good this year, and that was in the dogshit Big 12 where both Texas, Oklahoma and last year's champion Baylor sucked donkey balls.
BOATS and HOES.
I am pretty confident that Ewers was hurt the whole back half of the season and it led to inconsistency. That being said, he's definitely not an elite processor or decision maker at the college level yet. He is very young and missed his senior year of HS, but I think that is a real learning curve for him. His raw arm talent is definitely very very real. Will be interesting to see how he does later in his career and if he forces his way to the NFL next year or is content to wait if he isn't ready. He kinda reminds me of a more talented rattler in a lot of ways. Both have great arm talent, not great processors, miss things, inconsistent, high end talent, neither are as mobile as you'd think they would/could be. Will be interesting.
Ewers was looking elite against Bama before he went down but you could argue the Bama secondary was awful this year.
I'm not sure why people are so down on McCord. He has really good upside. He will arguably be ahead of where Stroud was when he made his first start and he has played with marv for years now. I expect those two to get off to a running start next year. We also have another guy behind him that is very talented as well. Whoever wins the job will do well if the line can hold up.
Shiny toys lose some of their shine after sitting for 2 years I guess. I think he’s ready to roll and Brown has a year under his belt so he’s ready to compete as well. This is the ideal situation.
If he had a mullet people would like him more.
It is a case of the shiny new thing more than anything. McCord is very talented and has been in the system longer. Stroud beat him out and was crazy talented and the coaches liked what he brought to the table more.
I think my only gripe, not against McCord, would be that it would have been nice to see him run the full offense for a drive or two at some point. He was obviously second string for a reason behind Stroud, but that does not mean he will not be successful.
Remember though that at OSU even if you play well he will be torn up for not doing something well enough for somebody who will post enough to make sure that it feels like common knowledge.
Day took a lot of citicism late in the year. But one area that I think was completely justified was how little he did to get real game-time experience for his backup QBs. He was questioned about it once this year and he said that with a big lead he wanted to "respect the game". To me that's nonsense. Leaving the starters in too long is rubbing it in. But letting your backup QB, running with your second team guys, run the offense to get some experience is an essential part of a coach's job. He missed a chance to get his backup experience running the offense, and there's a chance that might come back to bite him next year. No amount of practice is the same as real game experience.
I think it was justified to a point. As I do understand respect for the game. That said, if the offense already looked good I do not know why the starters needed to keep runnin the offense deep into the game. I would have taken a drive or two with the backup QB going at it.
That said, I think Day got hammered so much, much of it unrreasonable to me, that it all becomes numb I guess. I am not saying that he did not deserve criticism but just judging by this board I have to wonder at times why he was not fired after each game.
Day definitely gets nitpicked a lot but it comes with the territory. We are trying to get to the top and attention to detail is very important in getting there. At the end of the day, I think we have the right guy here. He knows what he is doing and I trust him to get us there. Should he have gotten McCord/Brown some more reps? Probably, but I think getting reps against bad teams that are either completely worn down or playing their backups is a little overrated. I would have preferred that they got more reps but if they fail, I doubt it will be because of that.
The oline stayed in too long and the backups could have had more reps also. I think he truly went style points and padding a qb's stats. Respect for the game is not running up the score on a team that quit at half time.
Denny
This is the downside of having a QB that is a Heisman contender. I can guarantee that is why CJ was in the game so late on multiple occasions. You're crazy if you don't think Day knows how many Heisman winners Lincoln Riley has and he wants to show he can do it as well.
Only buckeye fans could find a downside to having a heisman level qb.
He has never had a Heisman winner but still gets the credit and well deserved of being a qb guru. So if he is packing up stats which we don't know for sure it's not working. Day is risking injury to his qb and reps for his backups of the future. OMO the Heisman is a bogus award to begin with. QB's have won the Davey Obrian and lost out on the Heisman. Each position has an award of being the best and the Heisman is not always the best player in that year. Day has also said in pressers the risk of Stroud running the ball yet he keeps him in the game to long I feel just a thought.
Denny
Here's three reasons why you should trust Ryan Day instead of not trusting Kyle McCord
Also, Georgia just won back to back National Championships with a former walk-on as their QB who most likely will never play a game in the NFL. Ohio State won their only National Championship in 20 years because of their 3rd string QB and I believe Urban said that year, "the QB is a product of the team around him"..
I know McCord has elite arm talent but how mobile is he? How willing to be mobile is he?
These aren’t rhetorical questions. If anyone knows from scouting him in high school please jump in.
Just from watching his stints in the last two years and his hudl tape, I'd say he's about as mobile or more mobile than Haskins, less mobile than Stroud. However, aside from the UGA game, he looks more willing to tuck the ball than Stroud was.
There's also a subtle part of QB play - the ability to just move WITHIN the pocket, not outside of it. A guy like Brady is as immobile as a QB gets. Yet he takes a step or two up into the pocket, or sideways, or up and then back again. Somehow he, and a few others with that skill, can read the pass rushers and the blockers while still watching the action downfield. It's not always the guy that can roll out and throw on the run. Sometimes it's the guy that can buy and extra second or two in the pocket to find a guy and then has a much better base to throw accurately.
Buckeye - That’s 100% true. I remember recently going back and reading a scouting take on McCord when he was coming out of high school and it basically said McCord excelled at exactly what you are referencing.
Based on what I have seen, I would compare McCord’s mobility to a statue. Hopefully he has improved in that area. This is one of the reasons I am team Brown. However, I trust the coaches to start the player that gives us the best chance to win.
If you want to make the world a better place take a look at what Kevin Warren is doing and do the opposite.
You forgot JT Barrett, best passing year by far was with Day.
I won’t say it wasn’t his best but not by far, and there’s an argument Tom had a better year with him.
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2014 Ohio State Big Ten FR QB 12 203 314 64.6 2834 9.0 9.8 34. 10 169.8
*2017 Ohio State Big Ten SR QB 14 240 371 64.7 3053 8.2 9.0 35 9 160
Just throwing this out there. You really don't have to be fast at qb but when they give you space take it. Cardale Jones was neither fast or mobile but got it done. I think Day told Stroud to not run?
Denny
'Functional mobility' is really all that's necessary.
You don't need to be Justin Fields, or Braxton Miller or Terrelle Pryor to be an effective runner. But we need that element in our offense. It gave us a chance to get in range for Ruggles. In the words of Herman Boone in Remember the Titans, "I don't care if you're black, green, blue, white or orange," if you're named QB1 of our program, you will run and move the sticks by any means necessary.
BOATS and HOES.
Polynesian Bowl will be played this Friday at 4 o’clock on NFL Network.
Cormani McClain (#1) CB flips from the U to Colorado. Say what you will about Prime, he’s improving that roster in a hurry. Between recruits and transfers he’s got 42(!) new players coming in and the third ranked Pac-12 class in the combined ranking, just behind Oregon and USC
I thought I read a tweet that Colorado was having money issues when it comes to paying Deion. How can they afford to pay this kid? The boosters might need to make sure the coach get's paid first
Brooks was here...
So was Red
Correct me if I'm wrong but I do not believe a school's financial situation has anything to do with NIL.
East Coast living with Ohio roots
It does not. The school is not paying the players. Outside entities are.
Just came on here to post this. Watch Rashada pick Colorado next. Prime is going to be robbing banks soon to afford his roster.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
For those new to betting get ready to put it all on under 6.5 wins for Colorado. Going to be the most overhyped team in history
I only see four games they should absolutely lose. TCU, Oregon, USC, and Utah. All their other opponents are mediocre at best.
Hmm
Colorado was 1-11. Going 8-4 would be a seven-win swing. It's not unheard of--Tulane was 2-10 in 2021 and 12-2 in 2022--but highly unlikely. Colorado plays three of the four teams you listed in the first five games.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I thought Oregon States QB went to Ole Miss? Either way still a win for Oregon State…
God Bless
Oklahoma State's QB transferred to Ole Miss.
Agh yes that’s it, thank you
God Bless
As always you’ve done more research than I. Fair to surmise you’re taking the under? Let’s take it the other way. Who do they likely beat?
Hmm
That flip also moved OSU up to 5 in the composite recruiting rankings (not recruiting + portal).
McClain and Hunter as your two CBs is as about idea as you could want…
God Bless
Whatever Deion is doing at Colorado, I wish we could be doing here at OSU. Deion on the recruiting trail reminds me of Urban when he first got to OSU. Players want to play for him.
Kids are gonna be attracted to the charismatic coaches like Urban and Deion, but after the initial excitement ends, you have to produce to keep those 4 and 5 stars coming year after year. Urban did that, we will have to see if Deion can duplicate it.
NPB -- I'm absolutely fascinated with Deion and his gravitas. I don't know if it's sustainable but what guy to be the face of a new era in college football. No rooting interest if he succeeds or fails but I'll be watching closely just to see how it goes.
A little bit of objectivity can go a long way
He seems flashy but success will define it going forward. Guys want to play for OSU as well. I imagine that Sanders brings in alot of NIL as well. Which is mainly OSU's problem at the moment.
Deion lost with a stacked team at a lower level. How’s he going to do more with less at Colorado? He’ll get some top DB’s for obvious reasons. Not impossible but nothing close to being a safe bet either.
If he teaches them to tackle the way he did, those kids are going to have a hell of a time making stops in this new Era of football.
Bullets will be back to save the season, and Stroud's dignity.
It was a championship game vs a worthy opponent, don't forget the white TE dropped the tying TD.
white tight end? Is that a new position?
I think the point is that Deion still had far more talent on roster than his opponents both years and didn't win. He had guys on roster who had no business playing down at the FCS level.
While Deion will have more talent at Colorado than Colorado usually does, he will not wield the same type of talent gap at Colorado that he did at Jackson State. We're about to see if Deion can now coach and run a coaching staff at a high level, against similar competition, and win.
Lost? aint he only lose 1 game last season? lmao.
Deion certainly has the swagger and the clout from his playing days, he's a name. But I don't know if he has the ability to build a legitimate program at the Power 5 level. You need serious coaching chops, incredible assistant coaches, elite support staff, and a donor base with big money, and a large fanbase. You need a damn good infrastructure to be successful. Colorado doesn't have a rich tradition of winning. Coaching at a HBCU is one thing. They probably thought Deion was a God, easily the most excitable, interesting coach they could ever have. Deion made Jackson State feel like they were more than they really were. He was a blue whale in a small pond. Power 5 football is very different. Flash, flare and swagger can only take you so far. He can certainly recruit, and that is big, but A LOT goes into building a perennial successful program that goes against USC, Oregon, Washington, etc. Colorado did build a new facility and that helps, too. We'll see.
BOATS and HOES.
He was hired to get some excitement back to Colorado football , and it worked . We will see soon enough how bad of a hire it was , it wont take long .
I dont think the guys we recruit will be deciding between us and the Buffs
The Deion thread this should be renamed!, nothing to do with Buckeye Football…..