Raiola's mullet picture is LEGENDARY! Almost like a Davey Crockett hat.
Yeah, the Jim Carrey 'Dumb and Dumber' bowl cut should be our pursuit going forward.
I think Jadyn is the better college prospect. Raiola may have more pro potential, but I prefer Davis in college. Unfortunately he’s most likely headed up north.
Ewers or Arch manning to the transfer portal first? I’m betting manning…some say he is only a 3 star in reality but the name gave him 2 extra stars….will be fun to watch
The Manning name with three NFL quarterbacks in his pedigree is worth something. He almost has to be a couple of years ahead in terms of mental aspects of the game from congregating with his uncles and grandad and his father as well
From the only game I watched (which was on espn 2), he could be inaccurate from time to time. He also never runs, almost like stroud. But his arm is freakish, dude has an absolute cannon. One game I watched I was a little unimpressed though, especially since they ended up losing. He definitely has the potential though
That is hard to say against another high school team. Plus his team had a great running back who got lots of touches.
While watching him warm for the second half in front of us, he was flicking the ball 40 yards accurately. He is the best high school QB I have ever seen but I don't a large data set of future D1 QBs. Maybe only 1.
And let's not forget to add we landed another committing the class a year earlier than him. This comes only 1 or 2 days after it. I want more Flields like qbs anyways.
I have a feeling the coaching staff knew this decommitment was coming and that info helped in flipping Kienholz. I have absolutely no knowledge of this, it's just a guess.
Didn't want to compete, never has had to. IMO has talked to all 3 QBs and none are decommunicating, meaning the job wouldn't be his when he arrives on campus as a freshman.
At Nebraska he could drop out of the sky in midseason and start.
Pure speculation, but it wasn’t even a week ago that Day and AD Smith very publicly stated that NIL was going to shape the future of CFB, and that Huckeye Nation needed to help raise more funds. This week, a 5-star QB decommits. Coincidence? It’s why they have the word. But they definitely could be related.
Wondering if Warren Buffet kicks in some NIL coin for the Husker’s…?
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Is his uncle at Nebraska the main reason for the decommit? Rhule is a good college coach but I wouldn't exactly say he's known for QB development. I've heard that Nebraska has really stepped up its NIL game and with the recent comments from Gene Smith maybe that's the reason for the decommit. It's crazy with how rabid our fanbase is and how many donors we have that we seem to keep losing high profile recruits to NIL. OSU really needs to step up its game on that front as it keeps growing in importance.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
I am an avid fan but if I am donating money to college kids it will be my grandsons 529 plan each year on their birthday or a disabled veteran. Surely not to football player
I hope there are some alumni with very deep pockets who are able to donate. Otherwise we are doomed to mediocrity very soon. Kids are going to go where the money is, and if our alumni/fan base doesn’t want to kick in, the SEC schools are going to eat our lunch.
I appreciate the perspective, but the fact is OSU has rich donors who will do anything to win just like all the other top programs in the country. The message was geared towards them, not sane people like you and I.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
Remains to be seen but the gut feeling is NIL is in play even if it is Nebraska. Have said before imagine if Warren Buffet, a huge Nebraska fan, decided to throw in what is pennies to him into a NIL. They would instantly have tens of millions to work with.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
With NIL you better be prepared to pay for your team like $aban did before NIL….with these kids these days , there is no such thing as a “commitment” to anything , the highest bidder wins…the first thing that needs to be fixed is the transfer without sitting out a year…leave the grad transfers alone…secondly, schools may have to find a way to legally hold commitments in place with the threat of a suit and only release them from that commitment if the schools agrees to it…got to hold them and the parents who play games with recruiting accountable for something ….look at the time , effort and $$ to recruit only for a “kid” and parents to bail on you and leave schools empty handed at the last minute…something has to become of this….I wish Mr Raiola no ill will , but with that said, hoping you are a flop at the next level…he does not deserve a good luck pat on the back…especially with the dishonest approach that he and all these kids seem to olay
That's what signing the LOI is for. Before that, there's no way you can make a commitment legally binding. If you want to do that, it has to be true for the school, too. Schools move on from recruits all the time if a better one comes along. It goes both ways.
You are 100 percent correct, but the landscape has now changed with NIL and currently there are no rules and anything goes…there has to be some guidelines put in place…you can be sure some serious tampering is going on since the player is. It required to sit out a year when transferring
Coaching staffs and programs are just as dishonest with these kids. It's called a two-way street. Everyone has their panties in a wad because the players, God forbid, have a little more say so than in the past on their own futures. Oh the horror of it all......
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
What do you mean am I serious?? Sure they have lost some recruits that have stung. But where is A&M right now, how about Miami?? Three out of the four schools in the playoffs are not big NIL spenders upfront. We will see in the long term what happens. But they will continue to put together top 10 classes and win Big 10 Championships.
I don't mean to jump into you two's spat here, but you guys are talking about 2 different things. Sometimes both points can be valid. The NIL stuff is a mess right now, but I also don't think NIL success = immediate success on the field. Of course not. But I will say - those who adapt survive. I can't ever remember a time when Buckeye Nation spent energy comparing itself to A&M or Maimi. Even when we probably should've been with Miami, most traditional schools tried to distance themselves as far away from Miami as possible.
Ohio State wishes to be elite, plain and simple. Don't take my word for it, it's the standard there from Gene and Ryan all the way down to the players. The past 2 seasons have not met expectations - really in any metric. The expectation is the be at or near the best. Are the expectations lofty? Of course they are at Ohio State. Are they realistic? Maybe they are? If you want to be at or near the best. If Ohio Sate wants to be the 4th, 5th, 6th best program - then yes, we're right where we need to be for now. But any forward-looking individual can connect the dots over 2 seasons and see that there have been chinks in the armor since the start of the pandemic - in all phases, coaching, development, recruiting, NIL, on-field results, etc. Ohio State can fall out of bed and win 10-11 games per season. That's no longer the standard in 2022.
You start with Michigan, and go from there. That's been the only formula to work here since the beginning of time. But you MUST start with Michigan. This year's squad has an opportunity to salvage everything, and that has me crazy excited. But it's clear they have an uphill battle to pull it off. Let's hope everyone in the Woody has the stuff needed to rise to challenges. It's noisy as f*ck right now, and only they can quiet the naysayers. But I don't blame the naysayers - it's not looking good, and if we're honest with ourselves the signs have been there for 2 seasons. Gene Smith and Ryan Day both making multiple public statements about needing more NIL help is them sounding the alarm. It's a huge red flag, and frankly neither one of them should even have to worry about it. The collectives and the university need to get in a room, and gameplay their way outta this. There's time to fix it, when you have the resources of Buckeye Nation - but they need some quick planning/strategy/leadership, and they've lost 18 months and haven't kept up. It's like they're just starting a race that other schools took off on a year ago.
I guess I don’t get as worked up about the NIL as others do. I just don’t see what we have seen in the last year be a stable long term platform. Sure I understand to win championships you need top flight talent. Until OSU stops bringing that in I am not going to get too concerned with losing out of some recruits. I think OSU will adjust to the NIL, just like I think donors will see the failures of it (Texas AM and Miami) and question if that is how they want to spend large amounts of funds.
I personally think is NIL the wild west and completely out of control, and will eventually get some heavy legislation structured around it. But it's safe to conclude that Gene Smith and Ryan Day are worked up about NIL. I'm a season ticket holder, and personally heard Ryan Day voice his concerns about where Ohio State is with NIL right from his own mouth earlier this summer. Brian Schottenstein recently has gone public and voiced his concerns on the collective front. It's not going away, so the university and the collectives need to get on the same page. Right now, there are a bunch of guys volunteering their time on NIL while having other full time day jobs. That's unacceptable.
Georgia and Bama are more out in front of this than you think. Georgia literally hired one of Ohio State's former compliance resources to run the Georgia collective full time.
Ohio State has plenty of donors - but they're focused on "legacy donations" and not padding the pockets of 18-19yr old kids who are starting to feel entitled to big checks right out the gate. Then, there's this:
Gene Smith on THE podcast
Gene said he doesn't feel comfortable fundraising for the NIL collectives with boosters who donate to the Athletic department. He feels more comfortable having one on one talks with boosters to talk about the ramifications of diverting their funds.
— jbook (@jbook37) December 16, 2022
That’s the thing, these NIL collectives have no transparency. If I donate money, I want to know where it goes, whether that is 100 bucks or 10,000. If there was some sort of transparent OSU collective I would have no problem throwing some money its way. But as it is, I may as light money on fire.
Agreed - I think anybody would. The reports on the collectives thus far haven't been flattering. Several folks have said that they donated money last year (5 figure donations) and outside of one immediate thank you email (and an invite to a dinner event with a few players) they hadn't heard back from the collective in any way. No follow-ups, no progress updates, no marketing. Nothing.
The local beat writers have asked Brian Schottenstein how he plans to show transparency of the financials, and I heard he all but responded, "we don't". At least not at this point in time. Sounds like there's no mechanism currently in place to make this turnkey.
Schottenstein did finally get a portal in place yesterday to start accepting monthly donations from regular fans. That, after originally stating they planned to have it in place by January (January?!). You'd think Gene's public statement asking the fans to donate a week ago would've aligned with already having a way to donate already being in place. The good news is, the public outcry at least forced the hand to move quicker to continue setting up fundamental avenues for regular folks to donate to the cause.
Agreed, I think anybody would…,I can say with all sincerity no way in hell would I donate money to pay college football players. I would donate to my grand babies college funds and to a wounded warrior college fund but not to see 19 year old millionaires. As the great Steve Buschemi famously said “Fuck all that”
Economics of nil don't work. In its present form it will die of its own accord. Funders will need to see some return on their investment. You think any texas a&m donor is bragging about he he game some kid 500Gs not to play and then transfer?
Caleb Williams and Bryce Young are sitting at home watching CJ Stroud play.
Dual threat wins Heismans for sure, and a dual threat with amazing accuracy like Fields can win titles. But Caleb Williams, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts and Kyler Murray all have very rude awakenings in the playoffs.
Recruit a guy who can throw first, and then if he can run it's a cheat code. But if you recruit a guy who is 50% passer and 50% runner, you end up with an awesome highlight reel watching others lift trophies.
What they all have In common? No defense to back them up. The best QBs in the NFL right now are all mobile, current players are just too big and fast for pocket QBs.
Kyler Murray? Lol. You apparently don't watch the NFL. Here are the top QBs by QBR: Mahomes, Tua, Josh Allen, Hurts, Geno Smith, Goff, Burrow, Brissett, Lamar and Derek Carr. Passer rating is a little different, but many of the same names, except Garoppolo is top 5. It's a mix of guys that run quite a bit and many that just sit in the pocket.
Among teams with 10 wins, one starts Kirk Cousins, one starts Garoppolo, Cowboys have started Dak and Cooper Rush. I'll give you Hurts and Josh Allen. Mahomes runs for 20 yards a game, so he isn't exactly dual threat.
Being "duel threat" doesn't necessarily mean running for positive yardage. Its the ability to extend plays, evade a collapsing pocket, and either find an open receiver while scrambling, or take the green grass in front of you. "20 yards a game" is a very, very weak argument.
Stroud is great at extending plays and being mobile in the pocket and everyone gets mad that he doesn't run the ball past the line of scrimmage. Seems like people use "dual threat" to fit what they want even if it isn't reality.
And yet when C J does that everybody picks at him. How many times has he scrambled and made incredible throws? He can't win for all the fans on here wanting him to be a RB.
And how do you know this? What is obvious is that we need a QB willing to take off and run if we want to win championships and we don’t have that right now, we have won nothing in the last two years with a pocket QB so why not look in a different direction and go back to what made Ryan most successful, a dual threat QB.
Unfortunately the norm for many on here when a recruit decommits. First ones to post booms, first ones to try and diminish how good they are when they leave.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
They did? The teams stated goals: beat TTUN, win the B1G, compete for a national championship. 2021, none of THEIR goals accomplished. 2022, first two goals were missed. I don’t have high hopes for third.
Totally agree, we need dual threat QBs. It would be interesting how the NIL offers compared and whether the Michigan embarrassment on the big stage had any impact on the kid's decision to decommitt.
Devin Brown or Lincoln Kienholz are more than capable. Let Riola go languish in Nebraska playing for a coach who has never developed any qb at any level.
I see a coach that is 45-5. Look, I don’t always agree with the play calling but I’m not willing to write negative shit about the play calls or the coach or the staff.
You can make a mobile qb a pocket passer depending on coaching and playcalling. Just because we think these guys are athletes doesn’t mean they’ll be asked to utilize that side of it.
Yes, Nebraska is a team of the past. Rhule, a failure in the NFL, is not bringing the Huskers back. Dylan, enjoying playing in the Liberty Bowl at best.
Not so sure about that. With usc and ucla schools coming in big ten will be even tougher. Plus the elimination of the big ten west is going to hurt Nebraska.
Rhule is a good coach but I’m not sure Nebraska is more than an 8 win team going forward.
If DR is as good as we believed him to be yesterday then he should be able to lift Nebraska to wins over most if not all big 10 teams not named OSU regularly and maybe a win or two against us depending on if they get him any receivers.
This is quite possibly one of the dumbest posts I've seen, given the last 20 years of college football. Rhule failed in the NFL, therefore he will suck at Nebraska? Recent (or relatively recent) history would point to the stupidity of this thought. Nick Saban, successful at Toledo, about as successful as one can be at MSU, NC at LSU, sucked in the NFL, comes back and dominates college football for a decade and a half at Bama. Urban Meyer: successful at BG, successful at Utah, 2 NCs at Florida, 1 NC here, jumps to NFL, doesn't even make it through one season.
The NFL and College football might as well be two different sports. 2 coaches in the history of the game have won NCs at the college level and at least one Super Bowl. Two of the best coaches in college history were utter failures in the NFL.
I’m sure the uncle coaching there played a big roll, but Nebraska has some of the most, if not the most, loyal fans who are starving for a return to the 1990s teams. There will be a lot of NIL money available for recruits. Ohio State also has a fan entitlement issue, with some fans acting like clowns to the players after the Michigan loss. Recruits don’t want to deal with crap.
Anyone playing for a program that has real championship expectations and fails to meet them is going to have to deal with criticism. “Fan entitlement” isn’t something that only happens in Columbus. You can either shut people up by winning or by playing somewhere that gets excited about being bowl eigible.
Criticism is one thing. The shit that some of the people on here were spewing after the loss was NOT criticism. eveyone on here carping about how THEY'RE not going to pay college kids to play football and then acting like the team owes them something. The irony.
What is unique, though, is that the AD of one of the most profitable athletic departments in the country publicly jingled his beggar’s can in the national media shortly after a loss. I didn’t complain about it at the time, but I certainly understand folks saying it’s a bad look.
But on the whole, I reject the premise that players are choosing schools based on mean tweets from fans or a lack thereof. There are trolls everywhere. (PS, I wasn’t your DV and I don’t have twitter)
Agree. The coaches, the administration, the players and the recruits could care less about what so amateur thumb warriors have to say about them or the "state" of the program. I love this site and the passion and the thoughtful (most of the time) commentary but have no illusion that we are actually influencing the outcome of anything meaningful.
I don’t know how many players or recruits came to these forums to cry about everything under the sun after the Michigan loss but I did see a lot of old men cry.
That and Justin Zwick and Jack whats his name. World beating Freshman? I stomped so many of them by my senior year in wrestling that it became my specialty. Its hard for a flower or person to bloom non-stop.
Post looks like it says,'.....Wilftong'. I think Wiltfong is some type of sports journalist or podcast guy. [pretend I knew how to put a shrug emoji here]
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
Actually I am pretty optimistic. If the dude is all about NIL then we may not want them here anyway. It just makes me more excited and intrigued over Brown and Keinholz.
Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".
If this was about his dad played at Nebraska and his uncle currently coaching there, then he wouldn’t have committed at Ohio State first. I’m sure his uncle worked out a huge NIL package.
I do not think his uncle was on staff when he committed to OSU. I also don’t think spending money is a big issue coming from his family. You may be right. I may be right. WHO knows
If some people knew who some of us were we would probably get death threats. The thing is, of the what seems like millions of death threats different people receive through social media (and I mean individuals,
not the rantings by the psychos to various groups of people) how many have actually been acted upon or tried to act upon? Something tells me you have a better chance of being struck by lightning and bitten by a poisonous snake at the same time than you do of a threat actually being carried out.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I think it cuts both ways. There are several former QBs who didn't make it in the NFL or win a natty, but are fondly remembered here even. Troy Smith, Kenny Guiton, Braxton Miller (though he did win a natty) the list goes on.
The fan base is emotional - waves of praise and adoration if the team and players do well. They're worshipped. But lose, and it's the opposite.
Not saying it's good or bad, but it just is.
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But those people AREN'T fans. They're hangers-on who only want to support the team when they win all the marbles. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an 11-1 team, playing for a shot at the CFP. But look at all the negative whiners on here saying they don't even support the team enough to say they CAN win. What's saddest about it is that there are so many so-called adults who have to live their lives vicariously through a football team. Sure, I hate when the Buckeyes lose, but it's not the end of the world for me. For a lot fo people on here, it sure seems to be the end of theirs by the stuff they post.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
If this is true, it says a lot about his lack of desire to compete. If they did not bring in a QB in this class and Brown wins the job next spring, they would have had one scholarship QB on the team. It isn’t out of the question that if McCord wins the job that Brown transfers out because his would likely be on the bench for at least two years behind McCord.
This is a bad take. Nothing suggests that he’s afraid of competition. They know that programs like OSU are taking the best year after year. He’s gonna play for his dad and his dad’s alma mater
Dad and player said they are unhappy with issues with day. These issues come up the same week osu signs a qb in this class.
His uncle was on staff last year when he commited to osu. Rhule comes in, promises him the starting job and there you have it. No competition whatsoever.
BK has said this. Won’t go into details but said the family felt there were issues with day and osu. Funny these issues popped up the week osu grabs a qb in this class that is an upgrade over Glenn
You have proof of this? Why take shots at his character?
1. No longer a trash coach at his dad's alma mater.
2. New coach with NFL ties.
3. Uncle now coaches there
Could be tons of reasons instead of "He doesn't want to compete." The kid is still in high school for goodness sakes. Who knows what kind of direction he getting from his family?
Knowing ignorance is strength; ignoring knowledge is sickness - Lao Tzu
In this era no one is in the class until they actually sign and even then…. Buckeye reporters and fans need to quit getting excited about so-called commitments months and years out in the future. Also let’s start locking down Ohio and keep Michigan, PSU, and ND out. We should really focus on getting the top 10 from Ohio every year and not waste time on unwinnable bidding wars with SEC teams for kids from Florida and Texas.
You want to go back to Tressel era and that would basically mean ceding the national title to an SEC team every year. OSU may have no choice if it can't get its NIL act together.
Yup. We are losing 3 big ten games a year because we can't out recruit all those SEC powerhouses on our schedule. I shouldnt have to say /s, but with some of you guys I actually do
NIL needs some rules and no money until the kid is in the program. Must be in the program two years before the free transfer. This is good for the sport and the athlete.
No more of this commitment BS because it means nothing. Sucks that word is no longer bond, which is how I've operated in business since I can remember. Forget signing day. You want to attend a program, then sign on the dotted line. That will end all this flip nonsense and coaches can focus on their program. How are you supposed to plan your roster when this is all clearly out of control.
Thanks for your response. I grew up in the 60's listening to many games on the radio and still enjoy following games like this even day. There are FAR too many commercials due to college football being controlled by money made via advertising. All the other crap going on in today's game (recruitment, transfer portal, NIL, etc) makes watching and following the sport so much more painful, in my opinion. Go Bucks!
Do we know if Ohio State’s is off the table or is Raiola just taking a step back and reassessing?
It’s odd how often a player “re-opens” his recruitment but the team he was committed to is no longer an option as if the door is permanently closed. I’m always curious how things get to a point where they’re that bad.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
To all of those who thought Ohio State was essentially “Miami proof”, this is how the plummet starts. Give your rival momentum, lose two #1 QBs after skipping on QB’s 2-10, lose whatever aura you had (in this case toughness), not be on the forefront of an advantage (NIL), etc. The apocalypse isn’t here yet but it’s down the street.
Yep. Day needs to continue recruiting at a high level. And with more than Hartline’s WRs.
Not just because on one de-commitment, but our program is going in the wrong direction. This is a symptom of a bigger problem. Lose on the field, national perception is we are soft and no longer the top dog in the big 10. Recruiting takes a hit, etc. we need to turn things around, the UM game was the perfect opportunity. But we lost and now continue to lose.
What re the chances that the Wr we just got actually comes here? 50% ? Lower?
Well, the good news is that we can reverse those perceptions starting on December 31st. The opportunity is with OSU and nobody else. In the worst case, your slow approaching doomsday may appear but it is too early to think that now. We will know more around midnight on NYE, that much is for damn sure.
So his uncle contacted Nebraska donors to get him to attend? Wouldn't he need to file taxes then? And there would be proof of a rules violation. If not, money laundering by the donors. I mean, that's if there are actually rules.
Can’t be too shocked with the way things are these days. I’m confident the coaches will be able to pick up someone else in the 2024 class that is exciting, but hard not to be bummed. Raiola’s tape looked awesome.
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
you don’t need a running QB but certainly one that can extend plays and pick up 1st down’s occasionally and run good enough to keep defenses honest. my first impression of Raiola is he may eat himself into being a TE.
Just curious, if ppl aren’t that concerned about this or are blowing it off as no big deal, what would make you concerned?? Outside of Jeremiah Smith, it feels like the program has been on a severely unfortunate run of bad luck. I’ve personally never seen a run like this in a long time and has me concerned for the future of the program granted we have a goal of realistically competing for national championships. I may be downvoted first this but I’m just being transparent with my thoughts and feelings. Sometimes it’s ok to be worried. It shows that I care.
What are your plans on December 31st?? I plan on watching OSU play in the college football playoffs with the chance to play for the national championship. I am not going to let some recruits that may never play impactful football keep me up at night.
I don’t know about a run of bad luck, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for Smith to stay committed. Don’t get me wrong, I hope he does. Some of these out of state guys seem to use a commitment to OSU as leverage and that’s all.
I think this whole "recruiting thing" is just a bit overblown. Our recruiting classes have dwarfed Michigan's yet they've kicked out ass two years in a row. For every five star, greatest HS QB in the nation, there's a Stetson Bennett or a Max Duggan or a Cam Rising who's getting their team to the Top 10 in the country.
We've got McCord, Brown, and Kleinholz in the fold. We lost Ewers because he couldn't come in and immediately win the job. The same might have happened with Raiola so it's difficult to get excited about something that may or may not happen 1.5 to 2 years from now.
I've also gotten to the point where I'm not at all expecting kids to be a Buckeye until they sign their NLI.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Im just curious what kinda "Run like this" are you talking about?
Being 3rd in average rating this season? Being 3rd last season? Being 2nd in 2021? 5th in 2020? 3rd in 2019? 2nd in 2018?
Decommitments have happened EVERY SINGLE SEASON from OSU
4 in 22, 2 in 21, 4 in 20, 5 in 19, 4 in 18, etc etc etc
OSU Fans as a whole need to step back from the Ledge. I get we are a National Championship or bust ideal, but living through the 90s guess what it DIDNT do.... Put OSU into oblivion in the 2000's. Losing a couple years to TTUN isnt going to put OSU into oblivion now.
Take a deep breath, its all going to be ok. Very Very Very Very Very few teams go on runs like Saban has done at Bama. Outside of him no other school has had as much sustained success over the last 20 years as OSU. NO BODY. Sure UF has 3 rings, but they also have had the last 5 years of basically being awful. OU has been pretty damn good, no titles since 2000 though. Clemson has had a run, but was mediocre at best at the start of the 2000s. UGA has been pretty good but didnt win a title till last year. UT, Down years. USC Down years.
OSU has had 1 Down year (the Fickell transition year, and 3 meh years at the very start of the century with Tress, outside of that they have been outstanding.
So lets all collectively pause, think about this shit and maybe let some of it actually play out for more than a season or 2 before we start throwing up the Defcon Level 1 type panic.
Well, the CFP this year has JJ McCarthy, Max Duggan, and Stetson Bennett as the QBs of the top three seeds. Not sure I'm sold on this idea that you have to have the best QB in a recruiting class to win a conference championship and a national championship. You do have to have a leader and a competitor so we should think about that.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Cue Buckeye fans freaking out and screaming the sky is falling...
Getting commits from kids two years out is always going to be fraught with issues and it is what it is. This has nothing to do with coach Day or Ohio State and everything to do with a 5* athlete getting hammered hourly from every school in the country.
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
Ohio State fans have had to learn this the hard way, but anytime you get a high profile player from out of state player to commit more than a year In advance, the chance of him signing here is sketchy. And the further away he lives, the sketchier it gets,
True. I believe we would be better served to give 110% attention to the portal. Get players now and hold your breath on commitments way down the road. Definitely pursue great kids but don't bank on them to keep a promise.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
This kind of supports my belief that top recruits shouldnt commit 1-2 years before they actually can go to college , also I think Ryan Day is understanding that he may need to start heavily going after Dual Threats because as much as I love CJ (loved the dude) the offense was not catered to him & was more suited for a dual threats guy
What would concern me? Nothing! I've lived through Cooper, I've lived through scandals and sanctions, I've lived through 6-6 years. Football is football and there will always be ups and downs. Not losing my.mind over 16-18 year old kids decision making
Sounds like USC is the likely destination, not Nebraska.
Fucking Lincoln Riley… With Hollywood and their NIL base, we’re never going to win recruiting battles with them for the same types of kids who play in that type of offense. We either need to change our offensive approach or completely rethink the NIL model.
Cade McNamara said on a recent podcast he was on that Iowa and Nebraska had the strongest NIL collectives in the B1G. I'm guessing Rhule told the Nebraska NIL to get Railoa no matter the cost. It will be interesting to see if he goes there and flops if others would see that chasing NIL money at a lesser program at the risk of development isn't worth it. Also, if in the past every OSU hater would say that OSU just buys prospects, then why aren't these same bagmen steeping up now that its basically ok with the NCAA?
I doubt McNamara has enough insight to know that; his perspective is likely limited to the schools that recruited him as a transfer. That said, the light seems to be coming on for Ryan Day thinking that chemistry and development aren’t enough to overcome other schools throwing a lot of money upfront at recruits.
In the past, everything was under the table. No one talked about it because of the risks. Players didn’t compare notes with each other because prior to all the camps, combines, all-star competitions, and social media, their paths rarely crossed. Now, it’s all out on the table. Everyone’s talking to each other. There are no secrets and that’s going to lead to greed and jealousy, which destroy locker rooms from within.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
That's a good point. The only actual numbers I recall in buying a player was the Albert Means case where Alabama was turned in by Phil Fulmer for offering Means around $250K to sign. Since it was "illegal" by the NCAA players wouldn't go around comparing notes and there wasn't social media back then to make it easy to do so.
Recruiting has changed and I'm not sure that taking commitment 2 years before they can enroll really has any meaning anymore. So many end up changing their minds or the coaches change or now NIL offers come in why bother. I'm sure the coaches stress about this stuff but it's kind of like what Urban used to say about committing just means you are in their top group. No one shuts down their recruitment anymore, especially since it's 2 years away.
Ya know, yes recruiting is important (out of high school in particular)…however we need to attack the portal more; why you ask…here are kids who have proven themselves without any NIL money and have a year or two to make it work in college prior to the pros. If we don’t give out NIL money then we need to take the flyers more (and more frequently) on those who need to up their draft stock. That won’t cost you a dime!
“You punish them again, and again, AND AGAIN”
-Coach Marotti-
I agree. It looks like we're going to have to go back to the old model of bringing in solid kids that can be coached up rather than relying on plug-and-play 5 stars across the board. I'm not so sure this is a bad thing.
At this point, unless it’s an in state kid who has always wanted to go to OSU, it’s worthless to pay any attention to a commitment that’s more than a year out.
The kid family is NFL wealthy it was never about NIL with him. I think him and his family just had a change of heart for whatever reason. You guys know Day will go back to lab I'm not even worried.
His dad is NFL wealthy and though the kid may not be suffering financially, if say someone offers him $8M over the next 4 years like TN allegedly did for its qb, that is his money to do as he pleases with and not his dad's.
It sucks, be we're already stacked at QB. I think if he goes to Nebby with the uncle, he most likely starts as a freshman. He isn't doing that at Ohio State. It's the same reason The Mighty Quinn, the Eskimo,transferred out. How's that working for him, hmmmmm?
I don't think this had as much to do with NIL $, then the pressure he got from family. Is it for sure he's going to Nebraska, though? Prolly don't know yet? I guess it doesn't matter now?**
**Bosa shoulder shrug.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Agree on all, except the NIL part. If this was done to follow a family tradition of playing at Nebraska, then he doesn’t initially commit to Ohio State. The uncle is in a position to have shady conversations with alumni and boosters to work out guaranteed big $$. Ohio State has said that they aren’t currently making NIL promises.
Until the letter of intent is signed faxed and stamped I don't trust ANY of these recruits in a world where "nil" is being used. With the aforementioned being said tOSU will be fine with or without Dylan going forward.
This is a good example of how we fans need to keep things in perspective. These are kids we know nothing about nor would we care a thing about them if they were not someway tied to tOSU. If this kind of thing drives yo crazy or worst makes you crazy then I suggest you walk away. There are so many other things that are more important and fulfilling. Just my take.
In 99.9% of past seasons we haven't signed the #1 overall player or QB. The sky didn't fall every season in the past
We have solid QB's on the roster and a solid commit for '23.
We will sign a solid QB in '24 who 1) wants to be here, 2) will be coached by Ryan Day and 3) will be surrounded by elite WR's and skill position talent.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
Sounds like a very talented qb, but really who knows. Ewers was also supposed to be a generational player, but I watched several Texas games this year, and just don't see that. We are stacked at qb, and I'm sure Day will find another qb to replace him.
And one other thing: this sucks for us fans but imagine how bad this sucks for Coach Day! I mean, all of the time, energy and $ that is put into ONE PLAYER, only to flip-flop. Like was said by another, better now than later.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
The good ones will all go to the NFL. I would want nothing to do with recruiting anymore. College football has become so toxic and isn’t gonna get any better.
Plot twist...Arch beats out Quinn for the starter down in TX. Ewers transfers back to OSU and fullfills his destiny as winning a heisman and National championship in Columbus. Unless there is a rule that prevents tuis from happening lol
CJ decides to come back, but transfers before summer camp. Goes to Texas. Ewers transfers back to OSU. OSU is locked in a tight playoff game against the Horns when Stroud gets injured, forcing Arch Manning into the game. He throws a pick six that seals the game for the Buckeyes. Instead of being upset he gives a wry smile and takes off his Jersey, revealing an OSU shirt underneath. This was all part of the plan.
In the championship game we lose 42-20 because we’re still playing man coverage. C’est la vie.
I know two things for sure. Day will find another QB and Raiola won’t be the top ranked recruit in the final 2024 rankings. It’s possible that he won’t be the top ranked QB. Everyone needs to relax.
Disappointing. I'm sure Ohio State will be fine in the long run.
If the time wasted on Ewers and Raiola prompts us to reevaluate our "all quarterbacks and receivers, all the time" recruiting philosophy, while we're scouring the rosters of various FCS teams to find offensive tackles, it might not be the worst thing in the world.
Well, $9.5M per year soothes a lot of headaches. Most of us probably deal with as much or more BS in our jobs, and we do it for a tiny fraction of the compensation.
No offense, but, “Best Athlete to Ever Come Out of South Dakota” isn’t really saying much. Who’s his competition: Adam Vinatieri? Brock Lesnar (half of his success is owed to steroids)? Shayna Baszler? Becky Hammon? Not exactly murderer’s row.
I mean Jesus Christ could play quarterback for osu and you would have an issue with it. Unless it’s a 5 star quarterback on paper you think the guy sucks.
Again, recruiting rankings are right more often than they are wrong. A team full of 5-stars is, in most occasions, going to curb-stomp a team full of 3-star try-hards. But, hey, keep on coping by convincing yourself that Matt Baldwin 2.0 is a hidden superstar, just you wait and see. SMH…
Sorry, but, a kid who looks great on tape against a bunch of farm boys in a state with more cows than people doesn’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence.
French Lick is a small town, yes, but, Indiana has a lot more people than does South Dakota. Larry Bird got to play against actual competition in state tournaments.
One of the issues with these very early commitments is that they kill momentum for all intervening classes. Look at the Ewers situation. It made us lose out of Allar, though we got lucky and flipped Brown late. Fingers crossed Day can salvage 2024, but whether Brown and McCord pan out will be the true test of if his recruiting strategy is working.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I know kids will be kids but in all honesty the only position being recruited at an "elite" level are WR's and a couple of Great [2] DE's but based on recruiting services the rest of the squad is suspect all based on stars (not development) OL? Interior DL? TE? RB? ? LB? CB? Safety? I think Ryan Day needs this win over UGA more and more haha no the walls aren't crumbling (YET) but the pressure isn't to slow down anytime soon especially getting your head kicked in at home (and on the road) against your biggest rival FOR ALL THE MARBLES. But nothing would be sweeter than beating UGA then curb stomping your Biggest Rival for the Natty on national television
P.S. CB's Tony Grimes and Denver Harris are both in the Portal as well as OL Goodwin of Kentucky
There is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer, quicker, or smarter. Everything is within. Everything exists. Seek nothing outside of yourself.” -Miyamoto Musashi
I made poor decisions at 17 years old too.. have fun winning 7 games at Nebraska. Everyone remember how amazing Justin Zwick and Tate Martell were supposed to be?
I’m really starting to care less and less about college football with the craziness regarding building a roster. NIL has made it worse than the NFL because with the NFL you have the draft and contracts which lock up players. College is year to year free agency.
And before we talk ourselves off the ledge remember this Nutters. Currently we are competitive and competing for national championships. Ryan Day and Hartline will make sure QB and WRs are in rhythm having some of the best WRs to throw to. IMO if a kid and his family don't want to be Buckeyes idk what more can a coach and his staff can provide. He just didn't want to be a Buckeyes plainly Had nothing to do with NIL. Players that come from NFL backgrounds already have money. I think his family just change their minds. Day will find his QB for sure. Not even worried
Meh, if there is one area currently I will never be concerned about; that is QB recruiting. We just trade 5 stars for 5 stars in that department. And we've got a full year to find the next guy.
Funny reading some of the reactions on here. Many are saying no big deal or he wasn't "really that impressive" even though earlier this week some were talking how big of a deal it was to have the top 2 players "committed here. If he decommitted from another school and there were rumors of him coming here many on here would be calling it a big deal. Losing the number 1 ranked player (especially a QB) is a big deal and for those who don't think so remember that if he goes to USC or Nebraska.
I haven’t seen many of the “oh well, he wasn’t that good anyway” posts. Most are “oh well, we have had pretty luck recruiting QBs”. He’s a talented kid, but we will be ok.
Maybe this is why Kienholz flipped to Ohio State. Since the Raiola de-commitment has "been in the works", perhaps Coach Day informed Kienholz that there would be no Raiola enrolling in the class behind him.
Either way, we will be okay at QB, we always are. Many other teams win with solid "game managers" running the offense. Ohio State will always have that...or more.
College football is simply being ruined like almost everything else in life. Hey will be wearing flags within 5 years and allowed to transfer after every game of the week. The whole thing has become a joke already.
I have worked hard and saved up almost 7k to put towards my daughter's college fund, but now I'm giving it Ohio State football to recruit. She can work at McDonald's.
He’s a 16-17 year old young man, best of luck to him figuring out where he wants to be. If it’s Ohio State then great, otherwise I have faith in Day things will be just fine.
"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it." Woody Hayes
Why would you wish him good luck? He gave his word to Day and Day backed off recruiting highly rated 2023 and 2024 quarterbacks based on that. It makes it all the more challenging to recruit an elite 2024 quarterback based on the time we lost to build relationships due to his “commitment”.
not a popular sentiment here on 11W, but with the ttun blowout last month and the drumbeat about ryan day's future, maybe these young guys feel a little uncomfortable.
I feel like there is no sense in getting excited for a kid in recruiting any longer with NIL involved and the portal. I used to follow recruiting but now I'm done with it. He won't be the only one to be concerned about especially if they isn't committing this December. I know this kid didn't need NIL money but that doesn't matter. I think beating Georgia helps but these recuiting cycles to me is a precursor to our demise if we don't change the way we do business against the south and our own conference.
Hate to lose a talent like that but if he wants to go play for his family then all the power to him. Not going to sit up here and knock a kids decision on where he wants to play. I’m sure he’ll help Nebraska if that’s where he’s going. The kid Lincoln from South Dakota who’s committed sounds like he’s the real deal. Impressive passing/rushing yards. The offense that Coach Day runs is better suited for duel threat QB.
Promising a kid who won't even be on campus for another 2 years a starting job or a hefty NIL package for unproven college skills, is stupid. I think that we've had 5-star players (and have some on this team now) that really haven't played up to their high school hype...According to how it was phrased, this all started when we got Lincoln to commit...just leads me to speculate, doesn't want competition, or NIL.
Devin Brown is likely our qb in 2024 and maybe 2025, so we have 2-3 seasons to find Raiola's replacement. Agree with the posters suggesting fans step off the ledge.
There are no guidelines or maximum awards for NIL. I make a respectable salary, but it would take me 7-10 years to make what an 18 year old kid makes in one fell swoop of NIL money. Thanks, NCAA. And by the way, reinstate the 2010 season results for Ohio State. What an embarrassment to have leveled such a punishment only to cave in to everything 10 years later.
Plus, the NCAA should not allow any kid to commit until his senior year. No verbal commitments, only letters of intent, and the only way out is if the head coach leaves. Either that, or forfeit a year of eligibility by sitting out.
It was obvious NIL was going to ultimately drive recruiting. Kind of surprised NCAA didn't even attempt to set rules to prevent that. Maybe no NIL money or negotiations until after freshman year. You'd still have cheaters, but they'd think twice. Transfers are crazy. Should have always been 1 transfer, period, without any exceptions.
Why can't we try picking up a proven QB from another school. Imagine having Brock Purdy at OSU instead of ISU. These 5 stars are going to want two things: NIL Loot, and IMMEDIATE playing time. Can't say I blame them in either case. They way we start "winning" the NIL/Portal battles is to "own" the 3rd and 4th year upper classmen business. Chasing teenagers is a fool's errand unless you can pay em an play em immediately.
Even a kid's tweet about his word concerning his word...doesn't mean squat. I'm jumping on the bandwagon that says, "Don't get excited about a recruit until he actually signs, and even then, don't let your excitement go past a Level 5 until he plays in a game!"
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
Using the word "commitment" with these kids is tiring. There is no such concept with them these days when a college player can play for four different teams over his years of eligibility. NIL means kids don't care about the school, the traditions or anything else that college football supposedly represented. It's all about getting to the NFL ASAP and how much they can make before that happens.
How committed was Dylan by the way, 100%, 200% a 1000%? I'll bet it was somewhere in that range if you go back and look at previous articles.
According to Big Ten insider Zack Carpenter, the Ohio State staff was "blindsided" by this sudden decision.
Seems like that this sounds like a direct result of our last QB commit (Lincoln). I'm sure that the staff after talking to the dad and Dylan will have an idea on what happened.
Using Keinholtz's commitment is just a convenient excuse. It was clear that the Raiola family was pissed off with Scott Frost. If Frost had not gotten wasted and missed his in home with the Raiola's, Dylan would have been committed to them a while ago.
Rhule isn't the arrogant dipshit that Frost was, and was likely able to get in the ear of the Raiola's to make his pitch and mend that wound.
Dylan likely ALWAYS wanted to go to Nebraska (assuming that is where he ends up), but Frost's actions were too disrespectful to look past. He chose Ohio State because they realized that it was the best place for him long term. Now, he is just going with his heart.
"Raiola's decision to decommit is as shocking of a move as you will see on the recruiting trail in the 2024 cycle. All indications were that Raiola was firmly committed to OSU. The move happened quickly over the last week and has blindsided the Buckeye staff," Carpenter reported."
The story goes; Scott Frost was due to have an in home with the Raiola family (read that as the WHOLE Raiola family), where Dylan was going to commit and they would all celebrate. One of the assistants (Mickey Joseph I think) was already at the house with the family trying to call Scott because he was late. Turned out that Frost was drunk at a bar, and tried to convince the Raiola's to do a Zoom with the family instead. This obviously pissed off the Raiola's, and lead to Dylan committing to us.
This is why I only pay attention to signing day. The whims of teenagers and now NIL make it senseless to do otherwise. I have feeling Devin Brown is going to be great anyway. I just hope the staff can keep him from transferring closer to home
I'm willing to bet on any QB that Ryan Day coaches over one that he doesn't.
If Raiola wants to make the emotional decision to go to Nebraska and follow his dad's footsteps, then so be it.
If we end up missing on Jadyn Davis because he is butthurt about us taking the Raiola commitment, then so be it.
I think we will be just fine with any three of Keinholtz, Brown, or McCord. I also have no doubt that Day will identify another QB that he thinks can be a great QB for next year's class and the one after.
But hey, there is also the possibility that Raiola realizes that OSU is the best spot for him and he get's back into the fold. He'll get to compete with the others, while learning from one of the best developers of QB talent in the nation.
Or he wont, and someone else will get that opportunity.
This^^^ OSU’s cupboard is not bare. With the turbulence in recruiting and NIL struggles, maybe OSU should direct resources more than ever toward coaching and development.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
Stuuuuupid. It happens, but this is lame. Regardless, Day and Dennis' track record speaks for itself. I'm not going to pretend to know what goes on in these teenagers' heads after Ewers passed on the chance to play with Marvin Harrison Jr. in the best offense in America so he can get screamed at by fans & boosters in Texas.
If your Matt Rhule, this is how you make a huge splash by getting a Huskers legacy whose son happens to be the number 1 ranked player in the 2024 cycle. As for Ohio State, it's either Davis or Moore. Even though Davis has been linked to Michigan, he had a relationship with the Buckeyes, but can they overcome the distance that Michigan has built. Then there's Moore, whose currently commited to Oregon and the Buckeyes were a team he followed as a kid. But unlike Davis, can the Buckeyes overcome the NIL money that was thrown at him and his family. Or does Day ride with McCord, Brown, and Keinholtz and look ahead to 2025
Don’t understand this “duel threat” business being a big deal. No running east-west or north-south. You stand back to back, walk ten paces, turn and fire. Q.E.D.
This really puts us behind the eight ball with QB’s in the 24’ class, most of the top ones are already committed to other programs and we don’t have the relationships with them, Davis is going to go Michigan. Raiola kind of screwed us on this one.
Don't be so sure about Davis going to Michigan, because he would have committed by now. He had a great relationship with Ohio State, so don't be surprised if they can sway him
most of the top ones are already committed to other programs
This entire article concerns someone who was also committed but no longer is. I suspect what you're saying isn't going to dissuade the OSU staff from trying,
In the new world of recruiting with so many variables, such as NIL, Coaches getting fired, player development, playing time, and family members being hired on staff. I wouldn't get excited about a recruit until they are signed and officially on campus and in class....The word BOOM should be delayed until then...... The recruiting class of 2024 and 2025 dont get excited anything can happen now in the wild wild west of college football...It will never be the same.
I dont give rats fuck about Dylan decommitting and going to Nebraska. But I absolutely do care h9w this effects Jeremiah Smith and the other top offensive players for 2024. That's the bigger mystery here. Dylan can go lose 4 games a year and look like a princess doing so for all I care. Day will put a QB in the position to look like a top 3 player. But will this impact 5-10 other top players? Will Dylan be the 1st 5 million dollar a year college QB?
Bullets will be back to save the season, and Stroud's dignity.
From the chatter going around, it sounds like this had less to do with NIL than with Nebraska basically offering the Raiolas total control of their program. Nebraska was desperate enough to give in to ridiculous demands, and OSU wasn’t.
I won't say anything bad about Dylan. It's a de-commit, so i expect that Ohio State will STILL recruit hard for him.
I will say this openly, however: I dare Dylan to re- consider. I get that Nebraska may be enticing for family ties, and I get that NIL money is attractive. BUT SO IS WHERE YOU CAN GO, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, TRACK, ACADEMICS, AND PRO PURSUIT.
Ryan Day, warts and all, develops excellent QBs IF they have the heart for it. And all Buckeye Nation asks of you, is that you play your heart out, have the guts to play "Hero Ball", and do what it takes to make the first down marker. Have a "killer instinct" to you? WE WILL LOVE YOU. Have tenacity? We will raise you above our shoulders. BEAT MICHIGAN? HOLD THE HARDWARE? YOU'LL BE IMMORTALIZED FOREVER ON OUR GROUNDS.
Best of luck to you, kid.Take the time and evaluate, Dylan (or anyone else who has the GUTS and HEART to be a Buckeye): The fanbase is passionate, and the standards are high. It won't be easy, but I guarantee you, if you have what it takes? The Glory of being a Buckeye, in a "never say die" setting is unmatched.
When you're ready to DARE TO BE GREAT, don't forget THE PROGRAM that can get YOU there. GO BUCKS!!!
Seems like a Nebraska (bc of Dad) vs USC battle now. (Bc it looks like Riley may be better than Day with qbs.)¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I really was hoping DR would stay committed, but with NIL in the West, and well, back to back loses to the rival may have a lil something to do with this. (But what do i know?) Next quality qb recruit up, hopefully...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
I’d like to see a change that if you are ready to commit, then you have to sign a LOI. Get rid of signing periods and allow LOI anytime. Only a coaching change or sanctions against the team would allow a player to be let out of the LOI.
Commitments mean squat with the current format. No one should get very excited until a kid actually signs.
He’s heading to Nebraska. Hugely dumb move. Ohio state puts QB’s in the NFL. Nebraska QB’s play college football for 5 years, then become used car salesman. Way to throw a few million dollars out the window kid!
Well, yet another kid I’ll never root for. Too bad!
Nebraska is about to hit success like Pelini. Good for them. Welcome back to being “decent”! Hope you regret your decision forever!!! Hate commitments who aren’t committed!!! Good riddance!!!
we really need to win the whole damn thing this year. Get the momentum back. Let’s be real, Bama is out! It’s now or, maybe never, until Saban leaves. This is our opportunity!!! Bama ain’t going nowhere anytime soon!! Just do it, boys!!!!
In 2024, who the heck is gonna back up returning HT winner Devin Brown? Also, strange to de-commit from the NC. Over-the-top positivity; my new 2023 thing. O! H!
Well the good news is we did not lose any SEC/NFL type DTS. Bad news we only got one for 2023 and none on the horizon with no game visits for 2024, etc. despite almost all other positions having multiple visits/offers.. etc. Stuck on repeat, unfortunately.
His dad should know better than to "commit" but when Scott Frost was out it changed things . Matt Ruhle is a good enough coach, and Dylan can be the start of Nebraska. He has probably been rooting for Nebraska since he was born. Just unfortunate that he "commits" like it means something. People were commenting maybe he left because they signed Kienholz, but the reality is they signed Kienholz because they knew he was leaving before we all did. All this said, Devin Brown's tape looks outrageously good so I'm not worried. Losing Ewers and this kid is quite a lot but in this day and age there's no sure thing until the kid steps on the field for you.
I don’t put any thought on a recruit that commits a year ahead of time. Wouldn’t be surprised we lose that wr we got the other day. Nil will cost us him. Probaly lose a couple rbs to the portal after the bowl game.
I’m not saying he will. But do t be surprised. He’s the top wr. Lives in south florida. Nil money If I was a betting man I would bet he doesn’t make it to cbus
Most of these players will never play for Ohio State even the ones we sign on signing day. The new world of college football is that rosters will be constantly changing and shifting until summer camp. So don’t get too attached to any 1 player.
Oh my God, so many people freaking out about someone who may/may not pan out and on top of it hadn't even completed his Junior year in high school. On top of it the group claiming he is Nebraska-bound when it would be even more likely he would go to USC. Get a grip people.
Kinda tough losing a QB because they help recruit other players to a certain degree. But he left early enough and I'm sure we'll be okay at that position.
NIL has ruined college football period, and no I do not wish a decommit "good luck" I wish them the worst career of all time, I hope they are complete busts who never sniff the league.
Meh. I mean, it’s not great, but there is only on QB on the field at a time. And we aren’t hurting for talent at that position. Go recruit depth and other positions. We will be fin at QB.
Until they actually play at the college level who knows how good they really are. Obviously he was afraid of the competition from South Dakota so good luck to him.
Any updates on landing him? With Jeremiah Smith committing as the #2 overall recruit in the 2024 class and the beast mode load of WRs coming in this year, have to think he could revisit OSU.
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Jadyn Davis line 1 ASAP
Don't call him if he has a mullet. That's 2 for 2 on out of state QB five star commits with mullets. /s
TampaBayBone Doc
You’ve actually got a point… I say we go with bowl cuts from here on out. At least a bowl cut won’t backstab us :(
Raiola's mullet picture is LEGENDARY! Almost like a Davey Crockett hat.
Yeah, the Jim Carrey 'Dumb and Dumber' bowl cut should be our pursuit going forward.
"Put ya' weight on it"
lol. Bowl Cut is what other SEC fans call Kirby Smart.
haha
The heck with their stupid haircuts!
How about preventing the annual haircut by Michigan!
And the stupid idea that's a snart thing.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Lighten up, Karen.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
I think Jadyn is the better college prospect. Raiola may have more pro potential, but I prefer Davis in college. Unfortunately he’s most likely headed up north.
Sure you do Nicster Boi.
Eh, he’s likely another Ewers. We’ll be fine, he’s 16, doesn’t run the ball, and we need more physical QBs clearly.
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
Ewers or Arch manning to the transfer portal first? I’m betting manning…some say he is only a 3 star in reality but the name gave him 2 extra stars….will be fun to watch
NWObuckeye
The Manning name with three NFL quarterbacks in his pedigree is worth something. He almost has to be a couple of years ahead in terms of mental aspects of the game from congregating with his uncles and grandad and his father as well
I mean isn’t that a dumb question since Ewers had transferred before Arch graduated high school?
Oh ok you are correct and I’m stupid they name is everything …you know what I was talking about in regards to this ..you don’t have to be a smart ass
NWObuckeye
You only get one free transfer. Ewers will have to sit a year if he transfers again.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
Not necessarily. JT Daniels is on his fourth team in four years and hasn’t sat out yet…
AZ13: Yes, the rule was put in place recently, to prevent multiple NIL transfers.
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
I’m going to go with Ewers since, you know, it has already happened.
He probably didn't want to be labeled as soft or play for a soft coach./s
Not sure if you're serious or joking but, I'm 99% sure that ISN'T the reason Raiola entered the transfer market/portal.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
/s = sarcasm
Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect - Woody Hayes
That is too bad. I was really high on him and even watched him play a game this past season.
Let's Go Bucks
Was he worthy of his 5 star ranking?
From the only game I watched (which was on espn 2), he could be inaccurate from time to time. He also never runs, almost like stroud. But his arm is freakish, dude has an absolute cannon. One game I watched I was a little unimpressed though, especially since they ended up losing. He definitely has the potential though
Don't think we want another QB who won't run. Been there, done that and it doesn't help the team.
Makes Sense to me...
DEFENSE has hurt us over the years more than a qb that can't run.
Denny
Won’t run.
That is hard to say against another high school team. Plus his team had a great running back who got lots of touches.
While watching him warm for the second half in front of us, he was flicking the ball 40 yards accurately. He is the best high school QB I have ever seen but I don't a large data set of future D1 QBs. Maybe only 1.
Let's Go Bucks
Do we know why he decommitted ?
It was NOT the all-black unis. Kids love the alts!
$$$
And let's not forget to add we landed another committing the class a year earlier than him. This comes only 1 or 2 days after it. I want more Flields like qbs anyways.
I have a feeling the coaching staff knew this decommitment was coming and that info helped in flipping Kienholz. I have absolutely no knowledge of this, it's just a guess.
Makes sense
I’m pretty certain Raiola wasn’t concerned about competing with a kid from SD.
Based on?
Based on nothing in particular. As I said, it's just a guess on my part.
What part of what I said gave you the impression that I was saying Raiola was afraid of competition?
1. I'll bet like Ewers, D. Riaola wants to go to a place where he can start as a freshman. He isn't doing that at OSU.
2. NIL $ may have played a part.
3. If he ends up at Nebraska, it's because of his uncle.
4. My guess is he stays home and goes to USC, so we'll likely be playing against him in 2024-2025.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Seems like it is either Nebraska or USC for Raiola. Riley has no problem starting a true Frosh and Nebraska really has no choice.
Not so sure about this. He knew at the time he committed that starting as a freshman wasn't likely.
Let's Go Bucks
Didn't want to compete, never has had to. IMO has talked to all 3 QBs and none are decommunicating, meaning the job wouldn't be his when he arrives on campus as a freshman.
At Nebraska he could drop out of the sky in midseason and start.
Who exactly would that be?
Pure speculation, but it wasn’t even a week ago that Day and AD Smith very publicly stated that NIL was going to shape the future of CFB, and that Huckeye Nation needed to help raise more funds. This week, a 5-star QB decommits. Coincidence? It’s why they have the word. But they definitely could be related.
He was afraid of competition? (Lincoln Kienholz)? Best wishes to him. Maybe his Nebraska ties make a difference, but don't need another Ewers.
Damn...
ibleedscarletandgray
These out of state commitments are so hard to keep when they’re not seniors.
Hmm
You can win with us or you can lose to us. Good Luck at Nebraska.
Have fun losing at Nebraska, Dylan.
What if he goes to USC?
Same
David Peck
His dad is a big Nebraska legacy and uncle is a coach there. They just hated frost.
They have a 5 star named Malachi Nelson coming in next year, 0% chance he goes to USC.
Wow, if it is Nebraska, seems like a bad move to me.
This situation aside, recruiting in general appears to be getting more and more slippery since NIL.
Wondering if Warren Buffet kicks in some NIL coin for the Husker’s…?
Without winners there wouldn't be any gosh darn civilization. We make no apologies for winning or for aiming our entire program toward that goal. - Woody Hayes
Initial commitments just set the starting bidding price.
I don't always finish my sentences but when I do
Is his uncle at Nebraska the main reason for the decommit? Rhule is a good college coach but I wouldn't exactly say he's known for QB development. I've heard that Nebraska has really stepped up its NIL game and with the recent comments from Gene Smith maybe that's the reason for the decommit. It's crazy with how rabid our fanbase is and how many donors we have that we seem to keep losing high profile recruits to NIL. OSU really needs to step up its game on that front as it keeps growing in importance.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
I am an avid fan but if I am donating money to college kids it will be my grandsons 529 plan each year on their birthday or a disabled veteran. Surely not to football player
Sir, I salute your correct perspective on this subject.
David Peck
Amen to that!!
I hope there are some alumni with very deep pockets who are able to donate. Otherwise we are doomed to mediocrity very soon. Kids are going to go where the money is, and if our alumni/fan base doesn’t want to kick in, the SEC schools are going to eat our lunch.
True dat look at Auburn...that said if you take NIL expect to play every damn game even post season.
Bbc11
1000% agree
I appreciate the perspective, but the fact is OSU has rich donors who will do anything to win just like all the other top programs in the country. The message was geared towards them, not sane people like you and I.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
Its more about tax write offs at that level. Give to the program and school instead of the taxman.
NIL situation coming to a head.
What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??
I think this is more buying into Ruhle and wanting to be the key piece and being the one to bring back his dads alma mater.
I believe his uncle is going to be on Rhule staff as well.
He'll start right away.
Idk how important that is when his dad is a former NFL player.
Pay the kids they said. They need gas money they said. What's it gonna hurt they said....
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
Remains to be seen but the gut feeling is NIL is in play even if it is Nebraska. Have said before imagine if Warren Buffet, a huge Nebraska fan, decided to throw in what is pennies to him into a NIL. They would instantly have tens of millions to work with.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I would love to see Warren Buffet do that. Would be interesting to see if it would work.
With NIL you better be prepared to pay for your team like $aban did before NIL….with these kids these days , there is no such thing as a “commitment” to anything , the highest bidder wins…the first thing that needs to be fixed is the transfer without sitting out a year…leave the grad transfers alone…secondly, schools may have to find a way to legally hold commitments in place with the threat of a suit and only release them from that commitment if the schools agrees to it…got to hold them and the parents who play games with recruiting accountable for something ….look at the time , effort and $$ to recruit only for a “kid” and parents to bail on you and leave schools empty handed at the last minute…something has to become of this….I wish Mr Raiola no ill will , but with that said, hoping you are a flop at the next level…he does not deserve a good luck pat on the back…especially with the dishonest approach that he and all these kids seem to olay
NWObuckeye
That's what signing the LOI is for. Before that, there's no way you can make a commitment legally binding. If you want to do that, it has to be true for the school, too. Schools move on from recruits all the time if a better one comes along. It goes both ways.
You are 100 percent correct, but the landscape has now changed with NIL and currently there are no rules and anything goes…there has to be some guidelines put in place…you can be sure some serious tampering is going on since the player is. It required to sit out a year when transferring
NWObuckeye
Coaching staffs and programs are just as dishonest with these kids. It's called a two-way street. Everyone has their panties in a wad because the players, God forbid, have a little more say so than in the past on their own futures. Oh the horror of it all......
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
Actually the pandora's box has been opened & it's only going to get worse:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-labor-board-region-sides-with-usc-at...
Welcome to the cnfl
David Peck
We need more money. This year has been amazing…. Said no one ever
Fire Kevin Warren
You are aware they are playing in the college football playoffs on December 31st, correct???
Are you serious?
Fire Kevin Warren
What do you mean am I serious?? Sure they have lost some recruits that have stung. But where is A&M right now, how about Miami?? Three out of the four schools in the playoffs are not big NIL spenders upfront. We will see in the long term what happens. But they will continue to put together top 10 classes and win Big 10 Championships.
I don't mean to jump into you two's spat here, but you guys are talking about 2 different things. Sometimes both points can be valid. The NIL stuff is a mess right now, but I also don't think NIL success = immediate success on the field. Of course not. But I will say - those who adapt survive. I can't ever remember a time when Buckeye Nation spent energy comparing itself to A&M or Maimi. Even when we probably should've been with Miami, most traditional schools tried to distance themselves as far away from Miami as possible.
Ohio State wishes to be elite, plain and simple. Don't take my word for it, it's the standard there from Gene and Ryan all the way down to the players. The past 2 seasons have not met expectations - really in any metric. The expectation is the be at or near the best. Are the expectations lofty? Of course they are at Ohio State. Are they realistic? Maybe they are? If you want to be at or near the best. If Ohio Sate wants to be the 4th, 5th, 6th best program - then yes, we're right where we need to be for now. But any forward-looking individual can connect the dots over 2 seasons and see that there have been chinks in the armor since the start of the pandemic - in all phases, coaching, development, recruiting, NIL, on-field results, etc. Ohio State can fall out of bed and win 10-11 games per season. That's no longer the standard in 2022.
You start with Michigan, and go from there. That's been the only formula to work here since the beginning of time. But you MUST start with Michigan. This year's squad has an opportunity to salvage everything, and that has me crazy excited. But it's clear they have an uphill battle to pull it off. Let's hope everyone in the Woody has the stuff needed to rise to challenges. It's noisy as f*ck right now, and only they can quiet the naysayers. But I don't blame the naysayers - it's not looking good, and if we're honest with ourselves the signs have been there for 2 seasons. Gene Smith and Ryan Day both making multiple public statements about needing more NIL help is them sounding the alarm. It's a huge red flag, and frankly neither one of them should even have to worry about it. The collectives and the university need to get in a room, and gameplay their way outta this. There's time to fix it, when you have the resources of Buckeye Nation - but they need some quick planning/strategy/leadership, and they've lost 18 months and haven't kept up. It's like they're just starting a race that other schools took off on a year ago.
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
I guess I don’t get as worked up about the NIL as others do. I just don’t see what we have seen in the last year be a stable long term platform. Sure I understand to win championships you need top flight talent. Until OSU stops bringing that in I am not going to get too concerned with losing out of some recruits. I think OSU will adjust to the NIL, just like I think donors will see the failures of it (Texas AM and Miami) and question if that is how they want to spend large amounts of funds.
I personally think is NIL the wild west and completely out of control, and will eventually get some heavy legislation structured around it. But it's safe to conclude that Gene Smith and Ryan Day are worked up about NIL. I'm a season ticket holder, and personally heard Ryan Day voice his concerns about where Ohio State is with NIL right from his own mouth earlier this summer. Brian Schottenstein recently has gone public and voiced his concerns on the collective front. It's not going away, so the university and the collectives need to get on the same page. Right now, there are a bunch of guys volunteering their time on NIL while having other full time day jobs. That's unacceptable.
Georgia and Bama are more out in front of this than you think. Georgia literally hired one of Ohio State's former compliance resources to run the Georgia collective full time.
I think you're spot on about the donors, 725.
Ohio State has plenty of donors - but they're focused on "legacy donations" and not padding the pockets of 18-19yr old kids who are starting to feel entitled to big checks right out the gate. Then, there's this:
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
That’s the thing, these NIL collectives have no transparency. If I donate money, I want to know where it goes, whether that is 100 bucks or 10,000. If there was some sort of transparent OSU collective I would have no problem throwing some money its way. But as it is, I may as light money on fire.
Agreed - I think anybody would. The reports on the collectives thus far haven't been flattering. Several folks have said that they donated money last year (5 figure donations) and outside of one immediate thank you email (and an invite to a dinner event with a few players) they hadn't heard back from the collective in any way. No follow-ups, no progress updates, no marketing. Nothing.
The local beat writers have asked Brian Schottenstein how he plans to show transparency of the financials, and I heard he all but responded, "we don't". At least not at this point in time. Sounds like there's no mechanism currently in place to make this turnkey.
Schottenstein did finally get a portal in place yesterday to start accepting monthly donations from regular fans. That, after originally stating they planned to have it in place by January (January?!). You'd think Gene's public statement asking the fans to donate a week ago would've aligned with already having a way to donate already being in place. The good news is, the public outcry at least forced the hand to move quicker to continue setting up fundamental avenues for regular folks to donate to the cause.
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
Agreed, I think anybody would…,I can say with all sincerity no way in hell would I donate money to pay college football players. I would donate to my grand babies college funds and to a wounded warrior college fund but not to see 19 year old millionaires. As the great Steve Buschemi famously said “Fuck all that”
You’ve made this point repeatedly, in this thread and previous threads. It’s getting old.
RemainCalm — All is well.
Bring a 501c3 don’t they have to have transparency in what they do with the money provided? No disrespect, serious question.
Economics of nil don't work. In its present form it will die of its own accord. Funders will need to see some return on their investment. You think any texas a&m donor is bragging about he he game some kid 500Gs not to play and then transfer?
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
No offense, bru. But if your post fills my entire phone screen I'ma skip it.
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Well you might be right about that.
Fire Kevin Warren
Not too concerned about this one, we need to look into recruiting more dual threat QBs going forward and not just pure passers.
DCharles
Absolutely. Our best chance for success is to move on from this pocket-passer mode and get into the dual-threat mode like we had with Justin Fields.
It should be no surprise that QBs like Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Max Duggan, JJ McCarthy,...are winning in college football.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Caleb Williams and Bryce Young are sitting at home watching CJ Stroud play.
Dual threat wins Heismans for sure, and a dual threat with amazing accuracy like Fields can win titles. But Caleb Williams, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts and Kyler Murray all have very rude awakenings in the playoffs.
Recruit a guy who can throw first, and then if he can run it's a cheat code. But if you recruit a guy who is 50% passer and 50% runner, you end up with an awesome highlight reel watching others lift trophies.
What they all have In common? No defense to back them up. The best QBs in the NFL right now are all mobile, current players are just too big and fast for pocket QBs.
DCharles
Exactly. Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, ....
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Kyler Murray? Lol. You apparently don't watch the NFL. Here are the top QBs by QBR: Mahomes, Tua, Josh Allen, Hurts, Geno Smith, Goff, Burrow, Brissett, Lamar and Derek Carr. Passer rating is a little different, but many of the same names, except Garoppolo is top 5. It's a mix of guys that run quite a bit and many that just sit in the pocket.
Among teams with 10 wins, one starts Kirk Cousins, one starts Garoppolo, Cowboys have started Dak and Cooper Rush. I'll give you Hurts and Josh Allen. Mahomes runs for 20 yards a game, so he isn't exactly dual threat.
Mahomes not a dual threat QB? You lost the argument with that one.
DCharles
He runs for 20 yards a game. There is no argument. The stats back up my assertion.
He nets 20 yards a game but that doesn’t account for his sideline to sideline jaunts before finding an open kelce either.
Being "duel threat" doesn't necessarily mean running for positive yardage. Its the ability to extend plays, evade a collapsing pocket, and either find an open receiver while scrambling, or take the green grass in front of you. "20 yards a game" is a very, very weak argument.
Stroud is great at extending plays and being mobile in the pocket and everyone gets mad that he doesn't run the ball past the line of scrimmage. Seems like people use "dual threat" to fit what they want even if it isn't reality.
Mahomes is mobile and runs around to wait for receivers but doesn't run much. Mobile wins. Duel threat runners get hurt.
SalemBuckeye
And yet when C J does that everybody picks at him. How many times has he scrambled and made incredible throws? He can't win for all the fans on here wanting him to be a RB.
Princess Buckeye
If he were 2-0 or 1-1 vs TTUN everyone would love him, he's not so he's a bum. Pretty dumb really, but that's life around here!
That's life everywhere pretty much.
SalemBuckeye
Yea, we didn't really want the No1 rated player in the country anyway, right?
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Ratings are subjective, look at Marvin Harrison.
DCharles
Let’s not pretend this was a kid who didn’t fit our system or values. We recruited him and were excited about him until an hour ago. Don’t be jaded.
And how do you know this? What is obvious is that we need a QB willing to take off and run if we want to win championships and we don’t have that right now, we have won nothing in the last two years with a pocket QB so why not look in a different direction and go back to what made Ryan most successful, a dual threat QB.
DCharles
Exactly, TNT.... High School guy who gets turned down for a date with the Homecoming Queen: "I didn't want her anyway, she's a snob" lol.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Unfortunately the norm for many on here when a recruit decommits. First ones to post booms, first ones to try and diminish how good they are when they leave.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
How 'bout Chris Olave
Managed to make it through 2022 without Quinn Ewers. I suspect Ohio State will survive without Dylan Raiola too.
They did? The teams stated goals: beat TTUN, win the B1G, compete for a national championship. 2021, none of THEIR goals accomplished. 2022, first two goals were missed. I don’t have high hopes for third.
I mean technically the First Goal can still happen as well. Just not at the point people thought.
Aaaand you have a point
Just because you're Debbie Downer doesn't mean all of us are.
Princess Buckeye
Ewers would not have been the difference this year. So what is your point.
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Commodore said he wasn’t rated high enough.
Hmm
Totally agree, we need dual threat QBs. It would be interesting how the NIL offers compared and whether the Michigan embarrassment on the big stage had any impact on the kid's decision to decommitt.
Good luck to kid, next
Wow ok cool
recruiting just gets better
Devin Brown or Lincoln Kienholz are more than capable. Let Riola go languish in Nebraska playing for a coach who has never developed any qb at any level.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
I'm a Brown fan too. We need a dual-threat QB.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Time will tell if Ryan Day agrees with that.
Do you think Day had no part in recruiting Brown or Keinholz?
Rhetorical question, hanawi? Of course he did. Then again, I see a coach who throws on 3rd and 2 and 4th and 1. With 2 AA tackles. What do you see?
I see a coach that is 45-5. Look, I don’t always agree with the play calling but I’m not willing to write negative shit about the play calls or the coach or the staff.
RemainCalm — All is well.
Name checks out....UV!
David Peck
Regardless of what Day thinks, it won't change my mind. And, I'll bet you he doesn't win a Natty with a pocket passer.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
You can make a mobile qb a pocket passer depending on coaching and playcalling. Just because we think these guys are athletes doesn’t mean they’ll be asked to utilize that side of it.
Yes, Nebraska is a team of the past. Rhule, a failure in the NFL, is not bringing the Huskers back. Dylan, enjoying playing in the Liberty Bowl at best.
Rhule won at Temple and Baylor. The chances of him succeeding at Nebraska are very high. His development of QBs is a more legitimate question.
Every living OSU fan has a winning record against TTUN.
Not so sure about that. With usc and ucla schools coming in big ten will be even tougher. Plus the elimination of the big ten west is going to hurt Nebraska.
Rhule is a good coach but I’m not sure Nebraska is more than an 8 win team going forward.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
If DR is as good as we believed him to be yesterday then he should be able to lift Nebraska to wins over most if not all big 10 teams not named OSU regularly and maybe a win or two against us depending on if they get him any receivers.
This is quite possibly one of the dumbest posts I've seen, given the last 20 years of college football. Rhule failed in the NFL, therefore he will suck at Nebraska? Recent (or relatively recent) history would point to the stupidity of this thought. Nick Saban, successful at Toledo, about as successful as one can be at MSU, NC at LSU, sucked in the NFL, comes back and dominates college football for a decade and a half at Bama. Urban Meyer: successful at BG, successful at Utah, 2 NCs at Florida, 1 NC here, jumps to NFL, doesn't even make it through one season.
The NFL and College football might as well be two different sports. 2 coaches in the history of the game have won NCs at the college level and at least one Super Bowl. Two of the best coaches in college history were utter failures in the NFL.
Fu(k _ichigan
Ugh.
Well, that fucking sucks. I’m guessing this has nothing to do with NIL or anything other than the coaching change at Nebraska.
I’m sure the uncle coaching there played a big roll, but Nebraska has some of the most, if not the most, loyal fans who are starving for a return to the 1990s teams. There will be a lot of NIL money available for recruits. Ohio State also has a fan entitlement issue, with some fans acting like clowns to the players after the Michigan loss. Recruits don’t want to deal with crap.
Shatinkycat1
*Losses
Anyone playing for a program that has real championship expectations and fails to meet them is going to have to deal with criticism. “Fan entitlement” isn’t something that only happens in Columbus. You can either shut people up by winning or by playing somewhere that gets excited about being bowl eigible.
Criticism is one thing. The shit that some of the people on here were spewing after the loss was NOT criticism. eveyone on here carping about how THEY'RE not going to pay college kids to play football and then acting like the team owes them something. The irony.
Princess Buckeye
Again, I doubt that is unique to our fanbase.
What is unique, though, is that the AD of one of the most profitable athletic departments in the country publicly jingled his beggar’s can in the national media shortly after a loss. I didn’t complain about it at the time, but I certainly understand folks saying it’s a bad look.
But on the whole, I reject the premise that players are choosing schools based on mean tweets from fans or a lack thereof. There are trolls everywhere. (PS, I wasn’t your DV and I don’t have twitter)
Agree. The coaches, the administration, the players and the recruits could care less about what so amateur thumb warriors have to say about them or the "state" of the program. I love this site and the passion and the thoughtful (most of the time) commentary but have no illusion that we are actually influencing the outcome of anything meaningful.
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Say that louder. I don't think the asshats on 11W heard you.
"Recruits don't want to deal with crap". This. Today's kids are a whole different bread. One must be very careful around their fragile egos.
That's right, that's right, we bad
NBA players have gotten pretty sensitive. Draymond Green got a fan kicked out about a week ago.
I don’t know how many players or recruits came to these forums to cry about everything under the sun after the Michigan loss but I did see a lot of old men cry.
who’s soft now?
You hit the nail right square in the head
NWObuckeye
This is one of the reasons I dont get to excited over commits that are two seasons away.
That and Justin Zwick and Jack whats his name. World beating Freshman? I stomped so many of them by my senior year in wrestling that it became my specialty. Its hard for a flower or person to bloom non-stop.
His dad said that they lost the respect of Day and the OSU program... Wiltfong
“Because I couldn't go for three.” - Woody Hayes, 1968 TTUN game.
Could you cite this source by chance?
Post looks like it says,'.....Wilftong'. I think Wiltfong is some type of sports journalist or podcast guy. [pretend I knew how to put a shrug emoji here]
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
If you don’t know who Steve Wilfong is and what he does then just stop posting. For Gods sake google the guy.
RemainCalm — All is well.
User name...not matching up.
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty warrior, so are the children of one's youth. Happy is the man whose quiver is full, he shall not be afraid, but shall speak with the enemies at the gate. Psalm 127
Is this bullshit? Or you have a source?
Based on what actions?
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
“We have a lot of respect for Coach Day and the Ohio State program,” Raiola’s father Dominic added.
https://247sports.com/Article/Dylan-Raiola-decommits-Ohio-State-Ryan-Day...
People like this should just get banned
F off troll, he said the opposite.
“LOT”, not “LOST”. It’s one letter, but a huge difference.
Words hard. OP has LOT/LOST brain depending on if he talk to others or nice man in mirror
“We have a lot of respect for Coach Day and the Ohio State program,” Raiola’s father Dominic added.
Better now than in 12 months
BOOM!
Actually I am pretty optimistic. If the dude is all about NIL then we may not want them here anyway. It just makes me more excited and intrigued over Brown and Keinholz.
Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".
Where are you getting NIL as basis?
if his das went to Nebraska and NFL and uncle is coaching at NU this may not be NIL at all?
If this was about his dad played at Nebraska and his uncle currently coaching there, then he wouldn’t have committed at Ohio State first. I’m sure his uncle worked out a huge NIL package.
Shatinkycat1
Stinky - did you see the paperwork?
I do not think his uncle was on staff when he committed to OSU. I also don’t think spending money is a big issue coming from his family. You may be right. I may be right. WHO knows
Probably saw all the fans shit on Stroud and decided he didn’t want to be a failure and get death threats for going 11-1
I wouldn't call those people "fans".
Unfortunately those are the only ones interacting with the players. Normal fans are smart enough to not tweet teens, positive message or not
Agreed
Isn’t it true that Kirk Herbstreit moved his family to Nashville to get them away from some in this fanbase?
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
whose to say they are just trolls from other fan bases?
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Fan is short for fanatic so…
Ronny P Buckeye
You're also going to get those people everywhere.
Negativity is a choice I seldom make. Everything has a positive spin. Sometimes you simply have to look a little harder
A two time heisman finalist, future top 3 pick would get a statue at 99% of schools. He got death threats here, and it’s fresh on everyone’s mind.
I think this is more to do with Nebraska and Rhule than fans, but I also think it could have played a role
If some people knew who some of us were we would probably get death threats. The thing is, of the what seems like millions of death threats different people receive through social media (and I mean individuals,
not the rantings by the psychos to various groups of people) how many have actually been acted upon or tried to act upon? Something tells me you have a better chance of being struck by lightning and bitten by a poisonous snake at the same time than you do of a threat actually being carried out.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I think it cuts both ways. There are several former QBs who didn't make it in the NFL or win a natty, but are fondly remembered here even. Troy Smith, Kenny Guiton, Braxton Miller (though he did win a natty) the list goes on.
The fan base is emotional - waves of praise and adoration if the team and players do well. They're worshipped. But lose, and it's the opposite.
Not saying it's good or bad, but it just is.
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But those people AREN'T fans. They're hangers-on who only want to support the team when they win all the marbles. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being an 11-1 team, playing for a shot at the CFP. But look at all the negative whiners on here saying they don't even support the team enough to say they CAN win. What's saddest about it is that there are so many so-called adults who have to live their lives vicariously through a football team. Sure, I hate when the Buckeyes lose, but it's not the end of the world for me. For a lot fo people on here, it sure seems to be the end of theirs by the stuff they post.
Princess Buckeye
Wow. That is big. Yikes. This will sting. And we basically kicked the other kid from South Carolina to the curb for Dylan.
Taking down notes... "Skip if they have a mullet."
That’s hilarious
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
Probably good advice for many aspects of life.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
His Dad said they lost the respect of Day and the OSU program... Wiltfong
“Because I couldn't go for three.” - Woody Hayes, 1968 TTUN game.
Ban this guy permanently for posting this lie.
Dad and junior are pissed because osu brought in a good qb in this class. He doesn’t want to compete
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
If this is true, it says a lot about his lack of desire to compete. If they did not bring in a QB in this class and Brown wins the job next spring, they would have had one scholarship QB on the team. It isn’t out of the question that if McCord wins the job that Brown transfers out because his would likely be on the bench for at least two years behind McCord.
Did he think that that Brock Glenn was a bum? Didn’t have a problem when Glenn was here for 2023. Maybe Kienholz is pretty good.
Not saying anything negative about Glenn, but Kienholz is a 5* if he lived in a big hs football state. Reminds me a lot of Joe B.
Kid is a winner that plays every sport Well. He’s underrated
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
This is a bad take. Nothing suggests that he’s afraid of competition. They know that programs like OSU are taking the best year after year. He’s gonna play for his dad and his dad’s alma mater
Dad and player said they are unhappy with issues with day. These issues come up the same week osu signs a qb in this class.
His uncle was on staff last year when he commited to osu. Rhule comes in, promises him the starting job and there you have it. No competition whatsoever.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Where did they say they were unhappy with issues with Day.
BK has said this. Won’t go into details but said the family felt there were issues with day and osu. Funny these issues popped up the week osu grabs a qb in this class that is an upgrade over Glenn
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
As a 247 subscriber I cannot find any of this said by BK
Bullshit, that's pure speculation
You have proof of this? Why take shots at his character?
1. No longer a trash coach at his dad's alma mater.
2. New coach with NFL ties.
3. Uncle now coaches there
Could be tons of reasons instead of "He doesn't want to compete." The kid is still in high school for goodness sakes. Who knows what kind of direction he getting from his family?
Knowing ignorance is strength; ignoring knowledge is sickness - Lao Tzu
I think the operative phrase in this whole thing is HE'S A HIGH SCHOOL KID.
Princess Buckeye
As usual, you are strictly guessing
In this era no one is in the class until they actually sign and even then…. Buckeye reporters and fans need to quit getting excited about so-called commitments months and years out in the future. Also let’s start locking down Ohio and keep Michigan, PSU, and ND out. We should really focus on getting the top 10 from Ohio every year and not waste time on unwinnable bidding wars with SEC teams for kids from Florida and Texas.
I don't think they're unwinnable. I do think Ohio kids would play a harder versus TTUN because it means something to them.
You want to go back to Tressel era and that would basically mean ceding the national title to an SEC team every year. OSU may have no choice if it can't get its NIL act together.
Eph, we're you not around when Tress kicked Miami's ass? He had some great teams.
Go Bucks!
I was around for that. I'm referencing the later losses to Florida, LSU, and USC. Those teams had the elite talent that OSU couldn't keep up with.
Get ready for a bunch of 9-3 seasons until Ohio State can get its NIL money to the same amount as the SEC.
Kevin Warren cancelled football for the Big Ten while allowing his son to play for Mississippi State
Jesus. Step back from the ledge.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Yup. We are losing 3 big ten games a year because we can't out recruit all those SEC powerhouses on our schedule. I shouldnt have to say /s, but with some of you guys I actually do
Get ready for 1st round PO losses and no NC games until.... there I fixed it.
That's right, that's right, we bad
Lol Obstacle22…..seriously
Buckeye/CFB has been my biggest sports passion for 60+ years. I'm enjoying it less now, day by day. Sad, sad, sad.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
I’m right there with you.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Definitely frustrating I'll give you that.
NIL needs some rules and no money until the kid is in the program. Must be in the program two years before the free transfer. This is good for the sport and the athlete.
No more of this commitment BS because it means nothing. Sucks that word is no longer bond, which is how I've operated in business since I can remember. Forget signing day. You want to attend a program, then sign on the dotted line. That will end all this flip nonsense and coaches can focus on their program. How are you supposed to plan your roster when this is all clearly out of control.
Oldebucke. Count me as a member of that group as well. My sports-watching has always centered around OSU & CFB but my interest in certaily in decline.
I'm there too Allbuck. A fan since Woody and Bo. CFB is entering into a brave new world.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Thanks for your response. I grew up in the 60's listening to many games on the radio and still enjoy following games like this even day. There are FAR too many commercials due to college football being controlled by money made via advertising. All the other crap going on in today's game (recruitment, transfer portal, NIL, etc) makes watching and following the sport so much more painful, in my opinion. Go Bucks!
Add me to the ever growing list.
Go Bucks!!!
David Peck
Oldebucke, what's making you enjoy it less and less?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ professionalism.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Right there with you Olde, right there with you.
There is no harmony in this rivalry's refrain
How did he crush that without cutting himself?
Sugar glass, like in the movies.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Fake news, fake stunt.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Hint: it's not real glass.
Edit: Iowa beat me to it:)
Ah, I see. Back to being negative now: it is the end of the world. How are we going to recover?
who is paying the most, re ;NIL.!!
big buck!
Do we know if Ohio State’s is off the table or is Raiola just taking a step back and reassessing?
It’s odd how often a player “re-opens” his recruitment but the team he was committed to is no longer an option as if the door is permanently closed. I’m always curious how things get to a point where they’re that bad.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
To all of those who thought Ohio State was essentially “Miami proof”, this is how the plummet starts. Give your rival momentum, lose two #1 QBs after skipping on QB’s 2-10, lose whatever aura you had (in this case toughness), not be on the forefront of an advantage (NIL), etc. The apocalypse isn’t here yet but it’s down the street.
Yep. Day needs to continue recruiting at a high level. And with more than Hartline’s WRs.
Not just because on one de-commitment, but our program is going in the wrong direction. This is a symptom of a bigger problem. Lose on the field, national perception is we are soft and no longer the top dog in the big 10. Recruiting takes a hit, etc. we need to turn things around, the UM game was the perfect opportunity. But we lost and now continue to lose.
What re the chances that the Wr we just got actually comes here? 50% ? Lower?
Well, the good news is that we can reverse those perceptions starting on December 31st. The opportunity is with OSU and nobody else. In the worst case, your slow approaching doomsday may appear but it is too early to think that now. We will know more around midnight on NYE, that much is for damn sure.
Yep. Doesn’t have to be that way but our beloved team is hurting right now.
The challenge with reversing the perception is that we will be starting a new qb on the road in Ann Arbor next season.
A “new” qb in game 12 isn’t a real thing though….
Wow, that is a big loss. I imagine OSU is not out of it, but surprised by this one. He seemed all in. Not sure if this is NIL or other stuff though.
His uncle coaches at Nebraska, I’m sure there was a huge NIL package worked out. Nebraska has been trying to return to the glory days.
Shatinkycat1
So his uncle contacted Nebraska donors to get him to attend? Wouldn't he need to file taxes then? And there would be proof of a rules violation. If not, money laundering by the donors. I mean, that's if there are actually rules.
Every kid receiving NIL money will need to file taxes. You won’t be seeing any of those returns.
He's a freaking HIGH SCHOOL kid. He probably changes his mind three times before breakfast.
Princess Buckeye
Can’t be too shocked with the way things are these days. I’m confident the coaches will be able to pick up someone else in the 2024 class that is exciting, but hard not to be bummed. Raiola’s tape looked awesome.
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
Devin Brown might just win the job next season and have it for a few years.
Lincoln Kienholz might just be a hidden gem.
College football requires you to have qb that can be a running threat. Osu needs to get back to this.
Cannot let recruits hold your program hostage.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
you don’t need a running QB but certainly one that can extend plays and pick up 1st down’s occasionally and run good enough to keep defenses honest. my first impression of Raiola is he may eat himself into being a TE.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Just curious, if ppl aren’t that concerned about this or are blowing it off as no big deal, what would make you concerned?? Outside of Jeremiah Smith, it feels like the program has been on a severely unfortunate run of bad luck. I’ve personally never seen a run like this in a long time and has me concerned for the future of the program granted we have a goal of realistically competing for national championships. I may be downvoted first this but I’m just being transparent with my thoughts and feelings. Sometimes it’s ok to be worried. It shows that I care.
What are your plans on December 31st?? I plan on watching OSU play in the college football playoffs with the chance to play for the national championship. I am not going to let some recruits that may never play impactful football keep me up at night.
I don’t know about a run of bad luck, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for Smith to stay committed. Don’t get me wrong, I hope he does. Some of these out of state guys seem to use a commitment to OSU as leverage and that’s all.
Hmm
I think this whole "recruiting thing" is just a bit overblown. Our recruiting classes have dwarfed Michigan's yet they've kicked out ass two years in a row. For every five star, greatest HS QB in the nation, there's a Stetson Bennett or a Max Duggan or a Cam Rising who's getting their team to the Top 10 in the country.
We've got McCord, Brown, and Kleinholz in the fold. We lost Ewers because he couldn't come in and immediately win the job. The same might have happened with Raiola so it's difficult to get excited about something that may or may not happen 1.5 to 2 years from now.
I've also gotten to the point where I'm not at all expecting kids to be a Buckeye until they sign their NLI.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Very sane and realistic point of view Kujo. I'll join you in this thought process.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Im just curious what kinda "Run like this" are you talking about?
Being 3rd in average rating this season? Being 3rd last season? Being 2nd in 2021? 5th in 2020? 3rd in 2019? 2nd in 2018?
Decommitments have happened EVERY SINGLE SEASON from OSU
4 in 22, 2 in 21, 4 in 20, 5 in 19, 4 in 18, etc etc etc
OSU Fans as a whole need to step back from the Ledge. I get we are a National Championship or bust ideal, but living through the 90s guess what it DIDNT do.... Put OSU into oblivion in the 2000's. Losing a couple years to TTUN isnt going to put OSU into oblivion now.
Take a deep breath, its all going to be ok. Very Very Very Very Very few teams go on runs like Saban has done at Bama. Outside of him no other school has had as much sustained success over the last 20 years as OSU. NO BODY. Sure UF has 3 rings, but they also have had the last 5 years of basically being awful. OU has been pretty damn good, no titles since 2000 though. Clemson has had a run, but was mediocre at best at the start of the 2000s. UGA has been pretty good but didnt win a title till last year. UT, Down years. USC Down years.
OSU has had 1 Down year (the Fickell transition year, and 3 meh years at the very start of the century with Tress, outside of that they have been outstanding.
So lets all collectively pause, think about this shit and maybe let some of it actually play out for more than a season or 2 before we start throwing up the Defcon Level 1 type panic.
Well, the CFP this year has JJ McCarthy, Max Duggan, and Stetson Bennett as the QBs of the top three seeds. Not sure I'm sold on this idea that you have to have the best QB in a recruiting class to win a conference championship and a national championship. You do have to have a leader and a competitor so we should think about that.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
And look who is out:
5* Bryce Young
5* DJ Ung…
5* CJ Stroud back doors in
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That is all football is about. Players, coachers, etc. Are football players now cork sniffers?? Not enough cavier in our buffet?
I now am thinking football players have the status of Lawyers and accountants in my world. Actually I need those 2 sometimes.
Cue Buckeye fans freaking out and screaming the sky is falling...
Getting commits from kids two years out is always going to be fraught with issues and it is what it is. This has nothing to do with coach Day or Ohio State and everything to do with a 5* athlete getting hammered hourly from every school in the country.
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
Ohio State fans have had to learn this the hard way, but anytime you get a high profile player from out of state player to commit more than a year In advance, the chance of him signing here is sketchy. And the further away he lives, the sketchier it gets,
True. I believe we would be better served to give 110% attention to the portal. Get players now and hold your breath on commitments way down the road. Definitely pursue great kids but don't bank on them to keep a promise.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
This kind of supports my belief that top recruits shouldnt commit 1-2 years before they actually can go to college , also I think Ryan Day is understanding that he may need to start heavily going after Dual Threats because as much as I love CJ (loved the dude) the offense was not catered to him & was more suited for a dual threats guy
What would concern me? Nothing! I've lived through Cooper, I've lived through scandals and sanctions, I've lived through 6-6 years. Football is football and there will always be ups and downs. Not losing my.mind over 16-18 year old kids decision making
You’ll be crushed by the sky.
Hmm
Day is having a bad 8 weeks….is what it is.
Ohio State is bigger than one player. Not taking a dog at the kid, but we will be fine.
Sounds like USC is the likely destination, not Nebraska.
Fucking Lincoln Riley… With Hollywood and their NIL base, we’re never going to win recruiting battles with them for the same types of kids who play in that type of offense. We either need to change our offensive approach or completely rethink the NIL model.
If that’s true, can’t really blame the kid. “Hey, wanna win a Heisman and be a #1 pick?” is a pretty decent pitch.
And play for Cleveland and end up a bust? Sounds good. Winning the Heisman and being picked number one is HIGHLY overrated.
Princess Buckeye
Or win the Heisman, NC and go #1 to a team like Cincinnati and take the team to the Super Bowl in year 2…
From a Browns fan.
Never say Never Blood
Cade McNamara said on a recent podcast he was on that Iowa and Nebraska had the strongest NIL collectives in the B1G. I'm guessing Rhule told the Nebraska NIL to get Railoa no matter the cost. It will be interesting to see if he goes there and flops if others would see that chasing NIL money at a lesser program at the risk of development isn't worth it. Also, if in the past every OSU hater would say that OSU just buys prospects, then why aren't these same bagmen steeping up now that its basically ok with the NCAA?
I doubt McNamara has enough insight to know that; his perspective is likely limited to the schools that recruited him as a transfer. That said, the light seems to be coming on for Ryan Day thinking that chemistry and development aren’t enough to overcome other schools throwing a lot of money upfront at recruits.
In the past, everything was under the table. No one talked about it because of the risks. Players didn’t compare notes with each other because prior to all the camps, combines, all-star competitions, and social media, their paths rarely crossed. Now, it’s all out on the table. Everyone’s talking to each other. There are no secrets and that’s going to lead to greed and jealousy, which destroy locker rooms from within.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
That's a good point. The only actual numbers I recall in buying a player was the Albert Means case where Alabama was turned in by Phil Fulmer for offering Means around $250K to sign. Since it was "illegal" by the NCAA players wouldn't go around comparing notes and there wasn't social media back then to make it easy to do so.
Riola is jot going to Nebraska.
Unless we have a bench full of schmos and this guy, we should be concerned. Plenty of top recruits don’t pan out It’s never a guarantee. Like… Tathan.
The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.
That article from yesterday about us having the top two recruits is about get memory holed
I give up on thinking recruits are solid til signing day. Fool me a hundred times shame on me lol
Matt Rhule worked wonders with Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, so this make a lot of sense for his future development and nfl aspirations.
Lol at working wonders. He got fired in the middle of the season. He was a terrible NFL coach
Pretty sure that was sarcasm Bootsy.
I live in Charlotte and am a Panthers fan.
I’m POSITIVE that was sarcasm Bootsy.
9/1/07: A great day in the history of college football.
He realized Day is a douchebag and moved on...
Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!
Recruiting has changed and I'm not sure that taking commitment 2 years before they can enroll really has any meaning anymore. So many end up changing their minds or the coaches change or now NIL offers come in why bother. I'm sure the coaches stress about this stuff but it's kind of like what Urban used to say about committing just means you are in their top group. No one shuts down their recruitment anymore, especially since it's 2 years away.
JWilly3
Ya know, yes recruiting is important (out of high school in particular)…however we need to attack the portal more; why you ask…here are kids who have proven themselves without any NIL money and have a year or two to make it work in college prior to the pros. If we don’t give out NIL money then we need to take the flyers more (and more frequently) on those who need to up their draft stock. That won’t cost you a dime!
“You punish them again, and again, AND AGAIN”
-Coach Marotti-
I agree. It looks like we're going to have to go back to the old model of bringing in solid kids that can be coached up rather than relying on plug-and-play 5 stars across the board. I'm not so sure this is a bad thing.
The big fear with that scenario is pissing off the already committed guys on the team.
At this point, unless it’s an in state kid who has always wanted to go to OSU, it’s worthless to pay any attention to a commitment that’s more than a year out.
That’s definitely true, but every commitment post is still going to have 100 comments full of dumb “boom” gifs anyway.
Damn, what a shocker.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
The kid family is NFL wealthy it was never about NIL with him. I think him and his family just had a change of heart for whatever reason. You guys know Day will go back to lab I'm not even worried.
A touch of greatness how cool would that be ..
His dad is NFL wealthy and though the kid may not be suffering financially, if say someone offers him $8M over the next 4 years like TN allegedly did for its qb, that is his money to do as he pleases with and not his dad's.
NFL monday in the 80s isn't the same as today. It's not like he has Deshaun Watson money.
It sucks, be we're already stacked at QB. I think if he goes to Nebby with the uncle, he most likely starts as a freshman. He isn't doing that at Ohio State. It's the same reason The Mighty Quinn, the Eskimo, transferred out. How's that working for him, hmmmmm?
I don't think this had as much to do with NIL $, then the pressure he got from family. Is it for sure he's going to Nebraska, though? Prolly don't know yet? I guess it doesn't matter now?**
**Bosa shoulder shrug.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Agree on all, except the NIL part. If this was done to follow a family tradition of playing at Nebraska, then he doesn’t initially commit to Ohio State. The uncle is in a position to have shady conversations with alumni and boosters to work out guaranteed big $$. Ohio State has said that they aren’t currently making NIL promises.
Shatinkycat1
Unless the family hates Scott frost who might have been the lynchpin in keeping DR away from Nebraska
Well damn. This shit is getting old. I understand they are young men. But WTF with the flip flop BS.
Chris Haas
Ooohhh fuuuuddggee
Until the letter of intent is signed faxed and stamped I don't trust ANY of these recruits in a world where "nil" is being used. With the aforementioned being said tOSU will be fine with or without Dylan going forward.
GO BUCKS
Ugh. So hard to keep up with these kids these days.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
This is a good example of how we fans need to keep things in perspective. These are kids we know nothing about nor would we care a thing about them if they were not someway tied to tOSU. If this kind of thing drives yo crazy or worst makes you crazy then I suggest you walk away. There are so many other things that are more important and fulfilling. Just my take.
That's right, that's right, we bad
This stinks but remember:
In 99.9% of past seasons we haven't signed the #1 overall player or QB. The sky didn't fall every season in the past
We have solid QB's on the roster and a solid commit for '23.
We will sign a solid QB in '24 who 1) wants to be here, 2) will be coached by Ryan Day and 3) will be surrounded by elite WR's and skill position talent.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
Twice I get excited for a future QB for them to slip away. This sucks.
Sounds like a very talented qb, but really who knows. Ewers was also supposed to be a generational player, but I watched several Texas games this year, and just don't see that. We are stacked at qb, and I'm sure Day will find another qb to replace him.
I go 1 game at a time. CJ for 12/31. 2024 is a long way off.
And one other thing: this sucks for us fans but imagine how bad this sucks for Coach Day! I mean, all of the time, energy and $ that is put into ONE PLAYER, only to flip-flop. Like was said by another, better now than later.
As you get older, three things happen: The first is your memory goes, and I can't remember the other two.
Recruiting sounds absolutely awful and I have no idea why anyone would want to be a CFB coach lol.
^ This. You're losing coaching talent because of this. Maybe not a lot, but it's not good for the sport and this needs to get under control.
The good ones will all go to the NFL. I would want nothing to do with recruiting anymore. College football has become so toxic and isn’t gonna get any better.
10 million per year
NFL pays well too, and your schedule is a lot easier 8 months of the year.
Plot twist...Arch beats out Quinn for the starter down in TX. Ewers transfers back to OSU and fullfills his destiny as winning a heisman and National championship in Columbus. Unless there is a rule that prevents tuis from happening lol
Edibles for breakfast?
Hmm
CJ decides to come back, but transfers before summer camp. Goes to Texas. Ewers transfers back to OSU. OSU is locked in a tight playoff game against the Horns when Stroud gets injured, forcing Arch Manning into the game. He throws a pick six that seals the game for the Buckeyes. Instead of being upset he gives a wry smile and takes off his Jersey, revealing an OSU shirt underneath. This was all part of the plan.
In the championship game we lose 42-20 because we’re still playing man coverage. C’est la vie.
Hahahaha yes this is exactly what i was going for! Well done
I know two things for sure. Day will find another QB and Raiola won’t be the top ranked recruit in the final 2024 rankings. It’s possible that he won’t be the top ranked QB. Everyone needs to relax.
Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft
Disappointing. I'm sure Ohio State will be fine in the long run.
If the time wasted on Ewers and Raiola prompts us to reevaluate our "all quarterbacks and receivers, all the time" recruiting philosophy, while we're scouring the rosters of various FCS teams to find offensive tackles, it might not be the worst thing in the world.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
I'm so over this fucking year.
College football recruiting has turned into an absolute shit show. Agree with others above: no idea why anyone would want to be a coach anymore.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Well, $9.5M per year soothes a lot of headaches. Most of us probably deal with as much or more BS in our jobs, and we do it for a tiny fraction of the compensation.
Plus endorsements and side benefits
I guess keinholtz is better than we thought?
I have family in Pierre SD, they believe he is the best all around athlete to ever come out of SD and is the best QB in the 2023 class. We will see.
Shatinkycat1
No offense, but, “Best Athlete to Ever Come Out of South Dakota” isn’t really saying much. Who’s his competition: Adam Vinatieri? Brock Lesnar (half of his success is owed to steroids)? Shayna Baszler? Becky Hammon? Not exactly murderer’s row.
I mean Jesus Christ could play quarterback for osu and you would have an issue with it. Unless it’s a 5 star quarterback on paper you think the guy sucks.
Stay gold, Ponyboy.
Again, recruiting rankings are right more often than they are wrong. A team full of 5-stars is, in most occasions, going to curb-stomp a team full of 3-star try-hards. But, hey, keep on coping by convincing yourself that Matt Baldwin 2.0 is a hidden superstar, just you wait and see. SMH…
Sorry, but, a kid who looks great on tape against a bunch of farm boys in a state with more cows than people doesn’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence.
Well, if he knelt down and washed someone's feet I'd be pissed but other than that, if the Savior has a cannon for an arm, I'd be happy.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
I think Jesus' first response to being chosen as Ohio State's primary signal caller would be "What the f*ck is a football?"
Yes, but can He be a vocal leader and keep His head up when things go wrong?
I don't know about that but if Ryan Day denies to name him as the starting QB three times, that could be an issue.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
Would Jesus be considered an option quarterback? Bet he's got some wheels.
I like my quarterbacks not to have to come back from the dead
I would've preferred Jesus as our team physician. At least the players(JSN, the RBs, etc.)would've been healed & playing.
David Peck
Maybe you should call up coach Day and let him know that Ohio State is too good for players from small populated states.
Shatinkycat1
Maybe, but I’m sure there wasn’t a lot of buzz from French Lick until The Hick either. That seemed to turn out ok for a small town if history serves.
French Lick is a small town, yes, but, Indiana has a lot more people than does South Dakota. Larry Bird got to play against actual competition in state tournaments.
What do you think are the chances Jadyn Davis still wants his spot here??
Well that didn’t take long.
osuflash
Since only one QB can play at a time, think of this as an early transfer since there wasn't any guarantee he would beat out McCord/Brown/Kleinholz.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
One of the issues with these very early commitments is that they kill momentum for all intervening classes. Look at the Ewers situation. It made us lose out of Allar, though we got lucky and flipped Brown late. Fingers crossed Day can salvage 2024, but whether Brown and McCord pan out will be the true test of if his recruiting strategy is working.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I know kids will be kids but in all honesty the only position being recruited at an "elite" level are WR's and a couple of Great [2] DE's but based on recruiting services the rest of the squad is suspect all based on stars (not development) OL? Interior DL? TE? RB? ? LB? CB? Safety? I think Ryan Day needs this win over UGA more and more haha no the walls aren't crumbling (YET) but the pressure isn't to slow down anytime soon especially getting your head kicked in at home (and on the road) against your biggest rival FOR ALL THE MARBLES. But nothing would be sweeter than beating UGA then curb stomping your Biggest Rival for the Natty on national television
P.S. CB's Tony Grimes and Denver Harris are both in the Portal as well as OL Goodwin of Kentucky
There is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer, quicker, or smarter. Everything is within. Everything exists. Seek nothing outside of yourself.” -Miyamoto Musashi
Harris and Goodwin will not be pursued by Ohio State. Grimes...possibly.
I made poor decisions at 17 years old too.. have fun winning 7 games at Nebraska. Everyone remember how amazing Justin Zwick and Tate Martell were supposed to be?
He's so fast he makes fast people look, not fast
I’m really starting to care less and less about college football with the craziness regarding building a roster. NIL has made it worse than the NFL because with the NFL you have the draft and contracts which lock up players. College is year to year free agency.
Trout Dog
I think I’m more OCD than I realized. All of this chaos is driving me crazy lol
And before we talk ourselves off the ledge remember this Nutters. Currently we are competitive and competing for national championships. Ryan Day and Hartline will make sure QB and WRs are in rhythm having some of the best WRs to throw to. IMO if a kid and his family don't want to be Buckeyes idk what more can a coach and his staff can provide. He just didn't want to be a Buckeyes plainly Had nothing to do with NIL. Players that come from NFL backgrounds already have money. I think his family just change their minds. Day will find his QB for sure. Not even worried
A touch of greatness how cool would that be ..
Meh, if there is one area currently I will never be concerned about; that is QB recruiting. We just trade 5 stars for 5 stars in that department. And we've got a full year to find the next guy.
Funny reading some of the reactions on here. Many are saying no big deal or he wasn't "really that impressive" even though earlier this week some were talking how big of a deal it was to have the top 2 players "committed here. If he decommitted from another school and there were rumors of him coming here many on here would be calling it a big deal. Losing the number 1 ranked player (especially a QB) is a big deal and for those who don't think so remember that if he goes to USC or Nebraska.
Big B
I haven’t seen many of the “oh well, he wasn’t that good anyway” posts. Most are “oh well, we have had pretty luck recruiting QBs”. He’s a talented kid, but we will be ok.
I think the Ewers situation changed a lot of minds for people. We all freaked out when Ewers left, but he just merely good this year.
It sucks he decommitted, but saying the program is in free fall is ridiculous.
Maybe this is why Kienholz flipped to Ohio State. Since the Raiola de-commitment has "been in the works", perhaps Coach Day informed Kienholz that there would be no Raiola enrolling in the class behind him.
Either way, we will be okay at QB, we always are. Many other teams win with solid "game managers" running the offense. Ohio State will always have that...or more.
I suspect you’re correct on that take. The AD and Coach Day come out the past week asking for NIL $$. They knew this was coming.
Shatinkycat1
College football is simply being ruined like almost everything else in life. Hey will be wearing flags within 5 years and allowed to transfer after every game of the week. The whole thing has become a joke already.
TheDewMan10
$$$ is the root.....
David Peck
What in the actual fuck... FIGURE IT OUT!!
I have worked hard and saved up almost 7k to put towards my daughter's college fund, but now I'm giving it Ohio State football to recruit. She can work at McDonald's.
Go Bucks!
He’s a 16-17 year old young man, best of luck to him figuring out where he wants to be. If it’s Ohio State then great, otherwise I have faith in Day things will be just fine.
"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it." Woody Hayes
Every time something like this happens it's hard not to wonder how much of a role NIL plays a part. OSU needs to get that up to snuff in a hurry.
It’s Ohio State. We will be fine. Time to move on and wish the young man good luck wherever he ends up.
Why would you wish him good luck? He gave his word to Day and Day backed off recruiting highly rated 2023 and 2024 quarterbacks based on that. It makes it all the more challenging to recruit an elite 2024 quarterback based on the time we lost to build relationships due to his “commitment”.
Trout Dog
Because he's a damn HIGH SCHOOL KID and we're not azzholes.
Princess Buckeye
not a popular sentiment here on 11W, but with the ttun blowout last month and the drumbeat about ryan day's future, maybe these young guys feel a little uncomfortable.
klusewski
So you go to Nebraska???
I feel like there is no sense in getting excited for a kid in recruiting any longer with NIL involved and the portal. I used to follow recruiting but now I'm done with it. He won't be the only one to be concerned about especially if they isn't committing this December. I know this kid didn't need NIL money but that doesn't matter. I think beating Georgia helps but these recuiting cycles to me is a precursor to our demise if we don't change the way we do business against the south and our own conference.
Shockersmad
Exactly right. All the fanfare and this and that. Just a waste of time.
Call me when a player gets here AND contributes before they transfer.
In an era where transferring is as easy as ordering a pizza, recruiting high schools is simply not as important as it used to be.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Next man up.
Hate to lose a talent like that but if he wants to go play for his family then all the power to him. Not going to sit up here and knock a kids decision on where he wants to play. I’m sure he’ll help Nebraska if that’s where he’s going. The kid Lincoln from South Dakota who’s committed sounds like he’s the real deal. Impressive passing/rushing yards. The offense that Coach Day runs is better suited for duel threat QB.
DC
When a kid commits, and then decommits months later the school needs to immediately pull the scholarship offer.
Give violence a chance
When it rains it pours for Ryan Day. Hope he changes it around in the playoffs.
He only said he was coming to Ohio State. Now he said he isn’t. So it’s just words. On to the next one.
This is also why I don’t think much about early commits. Stuff happens.
Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.
we do not need a Clemson style QB(DJ), exactly who he reminds me of.
Promising a kid who won't even be on campus for another 2 years a starting job or a hefty NIL package for unproven college skills, is stupid. I think that we've had 5-star players (and have some on this team now) that really haven't played up to their high school hype...According to how it was phrased, this all started when we got Lincoln to commit...just leads me to speculate, doesn't want competition, or NIL.
Devin Brown is likely our qb in 2024 and maybe 2025, so we have 2-3 seasons to find Raiola's replacement. Agree with the posters suggesting fans step off the ledge.
There are no guidelines or maximum awards for NIL. I make a respectable salary, but it would take me 7-10 years to make what an 18 year old kid makes in one fell swoop of NIL money. Thanks, NCAA. And by the way, reinstate the 2010 season results for Ohio State. What an embarrassment to have leveled such a punishment only to cave in to everything 10 years later.
Plus, the NCAA should not allow any kid to commit until his senior year. No verbal commitments, only letters of intent, and the only way out is if the head coach leaves. Either that, or forfeit a year of eligibility by sitting out.
It was obvious NIL was going to ultimately drive recruiting. Kind of surprised NCAA didn't even attempt to set rules to prevent that. Maybe no NIL money or negotiations until after freshman year. You'd still have cheaters, but they'd think twice. Transfers are crazy. Should have always been 1 transfer, period, without any exceptions.
Why can't we try picking up a proven QB from another school. Imagine having Brock Purdy at OSU instead of ISU. These 5 stars are going to want two things: NIL Loot, and IMMEDIATE playing time. Can't say I blame them in either case. They way we start "winning" the NIL/Portal battles is to "own" the 3rd and 4th year upper classmen business. Chasing teenagers is a fool's errand unless you can pay em an play em immediately.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Even a kid's tweet about his word concerning his word...doesn't mean squat. I'm jumping on the bandwagon that says, "Don't get excited about a recruit until he actually signs, and even then, don't let your excitement go past a Level 5 until he plays in a game!"
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
What a joke this poster is eh?
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
I'm thinking USC...with Riley's track record of producing Heisman winners.
And this is why I might just stop following recruiting altogether--worse than a dumb soap opera. Thanks NIL.
Using the word "commitment" with these kids is tiring. There is no such concept with them these days when a college player can play for four different teams over his years of eligibility. NIL means kids don't care about the school, the traditions or anything else that college football supposedly represented. It's all about getting to the NFL ASAP and how much they can make before that happens.
How committed was Dylan by the way, 100%, 200% a 1000%? I'll bet it was somewhere in that range if you go back and look at previous articles.
I just found this:
According to Big Ten insider Zack Carpenter, the Ohio State staff was "blindsided" by this sudden decision.
Seems like that this sounds like a direct result of our last QB commit (Lincoln). I'm sure that the staff after talking to the dad and Dylan will have an idea on what happened.
Every QB should know a school will take at least 1 QB commitment every year - just have to in order to ensure roster stability.
Either way - not sweating a commitment or decocmmitment from any 17 year old. Don't get all hyped about these dudes until they sign the papers.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
Using Keinholtz's commitment is just a convenient excuse. It was clear that the Raiola family was pissed off with Scott Frost. If Frost had not gotten wasted and missed his in home with the Raiola's, Dylan would have been committed to them a while ago.
Rhule isn't the arrogant dipshit that Frost was, and was likely able to get in the ear of the Raiola's to make his pitch and mend that wound.
Dylan likely ALWAYS wanted to go to Nebraska (assuming that is where he ends up), but Frost's actions were too disrespectful to look past. He chose Ohio State because they realized that it was the best place for him long term. Now, he is just going with his heart.
Oh well.
"Raiola's decision to decommit is as shocking of a move as you will see on the recruiting trail in the 2024 cycle. All indications were that Raiola was firmly committed to OSU. The move happened quickly over the last week and has blindsided the Buckeye staff," Carpenter reported."
Frost did what?
SalemBuckeye
The story goes; Scott Frost was due to have an in home with the Raiola family (read that as the WHOLE Raiola family), where Dylan was going to commit and they would all celebrate. One of the assistants (Mickey Joseph I think) was already at the house with the family trying to call Scott because he was late. Turned out that Frost was drunk at a bar, and tried to convince the Raiola's to do a Zoom with the family instead. This obviously pissed off the Raiola's, and lead to Dylan committing to us.
This is why I only pay attention to signing day. The whims of teenagers and now NIL make it senseless to do otherwise. I have feeling Devin Brown is going to be great anyway. I just hope the staff can keep him from transferring closer to home
puddy
You know, "decommit" should not even be a word. If you commit, you commit. Period.
Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan
I'm willing to bet on any QB that Ryan Day coaches over one that he doesn't.
If Raiola wants to make the emotional decision to go to Nebraska and follow his dad's footsteps, then so be it.
If we end up missing on Jadyn Davis because he is butthurt about us taking the Raiola commitment, then so be it.
I think we will be just fine with any three of Keinholtz, Brown, or McCord. I also have no doubt that Day will identify another QB that he thinks can be a great QB for next year's class and the one after.
But hey, there is also the possibility that Raiola realizes that OSU is the best spot for him and he get's back into the fold. He'll get to compete with the others, while learning from one of the best developers of QB talent in the nation.
Or he wont, and someone else will get that opportunity.
This^^^ OSU’s cupboard is not bare. With the turbulence in recruiting and NIL struggles, maybe OSU should direct resources more than ever toward coaching and development.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
His word was strong as an oak.
Go Bucks!
Stuuuuupid. It happens, but this is lame. Regardless, Day and Dennis' track record speaks for itself. I'm not going to pretend to know what goes on in these teenagers' heads after Ewers passed on the chance to play with Marvin Harrison Jr. in the best offense in America so he can get screamed at by fans & boosters in Texas.
You should snatch Grayson McCall out of the portal. He would give OSU 2 years of domination. But I doubt they will even talk to him.
If your Matt Rhule, this is how you make a huge splash by getting a Huskers legacy whose son happens to be the number 1 ranked player in the 2024 cycle. As for Ohio State, it's either Davis or Moore. Even though Davis has been linked to Michigan, he had a relationship with the Buckeyes, but can they overcome the distance that Michigan has built. Then there's Moore, whose currently commited to Oregon and the Buckeyes were a team he followed as a kid. But unlike Davis, can the Buckeyes overcome the NIL money that was thrown at him and his family. Or does Day ride with McCord, Brown, and Keinholtz and look ahead to 2025
It’s probably no coincidence that the top 2025 prospect is in Columbus today. I’d be betting on a reclassification.
Nevermind about Moore, I thought he was in the 2024 cycle
Don’t understand this “duel threat” business being a big deal. No running east-west or north-south. You stand back to back, walk ten paces, turn and fire. Q.E.D.
Great post Donnie. That is a duel. What they should be saying is dual threat. I hate to be that spelling guy but...
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Devin Brown or Hotrod Lincoln Kienholz is our future. Both can run a bit. We will survive. Need rock solid DEFENSE!
On a different note, Lincoln Riley + NIL + No Scruples + Big 10 Money = Beast in the making
Buckeye For Life
3-Star game manager QBs + Rock Solid Defense = Iowa. Maybe Brian Ferentz can come run our offense! Let’s aim higher than that, shall we?
So both of those qbs are not 3 star qbs bloodworth so why don't you use your brain for once and not post stupid comments.
Whatever - many fish in the sea
Someone send in Brian Hartline to finish the job
Cedar Point, America's Rock'n roller coast.
He's probably on his way to Colorado LOL
Cedar Point, America's Rock'n roller coast.
This really puts us behind the eight ball with QB’s in the 24’ class, most of the top ones are already committed to other programs and we don’t have the relationships with them, Davis is going to go Michigan. Raiola kind of screwed us on this one.
Don't be so sure about Davis going to Michigan, because he would have committed by now. He had a great relationship with Ohio State, so don't be surprised if they can sway him
This entire article concerns someone who was also committed but no longer is. I suspect what you're saying isn't going to dissuade the OSU staff from trying,
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
See you...Sat... Oct. 12 ...2024... NEBRASKA MEMORIAL STADIUM (LINCOLN, NE)...Go Bucks
wtf osu? U better keep these kids...WTH happened??? Dammit!
We are fine.
I think the hand writing is on the wall that Day is interested in a more duel threat kind of guy.
He is legacy Nebraska....he initially wanted to commit to Nebraska but did not like Frost as a coach. Dude is going to land at Nebraska.
CBus love
Nebraska? What a waste then. Terrible. Hope he changes his mind again and at least goes somewhere good.
In the new world of recruiting with so many variables, such as NIL, Coaches getting fired, player development, playing time, and family members being hired on staff. I wouldn't get excited about a recruit until they are signed and officially on campus and in class....The word BOOM should be delayed until then...... The recruiting class of 2024 and 2025 dont get excited anything can happen now in the wild wild west of college football...It will never be the same.
TM OHIO81
NIL is sucking the joy out of college football.
"There's always going to be an element of pressure when you walk on the stage." -Eddie George
I dont give rats fuck about Dylan decommitting and going to Nebraska. But I absolutely do care h9w this effects Jeremiah Smith and the other top offensive players for 2024. That's the bigger mystery here. Dylan can go lose 4 games a year and look like a princess doing so for all I care. Day will put a QB in the position to look like a top 3 player. But will this impact 5-10 other top players? Will Dylan be the 1st 5 million dollar a year college QB?
Bullets will be back to save the season, and Stroud's dignity.
Perhaps, he wants to be coached hard like a Dog and not cuddled like a Cat.
NIL has really screwed up College football...No idea how it will ever get straightened out...if ever...
From the chatter going around, it sounds like this had less to do with NIL than with Nebraska basically offering the Raiolas total control of their program. Nebraska was desperate enough to give in to ridiculous demands, and OSU wasn’t.
I won't say anything bad about Dylan. It's a de-commit, so i expect that Ohio State will STILL recruit hard for him.
I will say this openly, however: I dare Dylan to re- consider. I get that Nebraska may be enticing for family ties, and I get that NIL money is attractive. BUT SO IS WHERE YOU CAN GO, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, TRACK, ACADEMICS, AND PRO PURSUIT.
Ryan Day, warts and all, develops excellent QBs IF they have the heart for it. And all Buckeye Nation asks of you, is that you play your heart out, have the guts to play "Hero Ball", and do what it takes to make the first down marker. Have a "killer instinct" to you? WE WILL LOVE YOU. Have tenacity? We will raise you above our shoulders. BEAT MICHIGAN? HOLD THE HARDWARE? YOU'LL BE IMMORTALIZED FOREVER ON OUR GROUNDS.
Best of luck to you, kid.Take the time and evaluate, Dylan (or anyone else who has the GUTS and HEART to be a Buckeye): The fanbase is passionate, and the standards are high. It won't be easy, but I guarantee you, if you have what it takes? The Glory of being a Buckeye, in a "never say die" setting is unmatched.
When you're ready to DARE TO BE GREAT, don't forget THE PROGRAM that can get YOU there. GO BUCKS!!!
Seems like a Nebraska (bc of Dad) vs USC battle now. (Bc it looks like Riley may be better than Day with qbs.)¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I really was hoping DR would stay committed, but with NIL in the West, and well, back to back loses to the rival may have a lil something to do with this. (But what do i know?) Next quality qb recruit up, hopefully...
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Woody Hayes
I’d like to see a change that if you are ready to commit, then you have to sign a LOI. Get rid of signing periods and allow LOI anytime. Only a coaching change or sanctions against the team would allow a player to be let out of the LOI.
Commitments mean squat with the current format. No one should get very excited until a kid actually signs.
He’s heading to Nebraska. Hugely dumb move. Ohio state puts QB’s in the NFL. Nebraska QB’s play college football for 5 years, then become used car salesman. Way to throw a few million dollars out the window kid!
I laughed so hard at this this is gold…upvote for you sir!
“You punish them again, and again, AND AGAIN”
-Coach Marotti-
MOOB.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
Well, yet another kid I’ll never root for. Too bad!
Nebraska is about to hit success like Pelini. Good for them. Welcome back to being “decent”! Hope you regret your decision forever!!! Hate commitments who aren’t committed!!! Good riddance!!!
we really need to win the whole damn thing this year. Get the momentum back. Let’s be real, Bama is out! It’s now or, maybe never, until Saban leaves. This is our opportunity!!! Bama ain’t going nowhere anytime soon!! Just do it, boys!!!!
In 2024, who the heck is gonna back up returning HT winner Devin Brown? Also, strange to de-commit from the NC. Over-the-top positivity; my new 2023 thing. O! H!
I-O!!!
David Peck
As much as I’m concerned about the program this loss doesn’t bother me we need a mobile QB
Well the good news is we did not lose any SEC/NFL type DTS. Bad news we only got one for 2023 and none on the horizon with no game visits for 2024, etc. despite almost all other positions having multiple visits/offers.. etc. Stuck on repeat, unfortunately.
And what will he do if we win a Natty?
otis68
His dad should know better than to "commit" but when Scott Frost was out it changed things . Matt Ruhle is a good enough coach, and Dylan can be the start of Nebraska. He has probably been rooting for Nebraska since he was born. Just unfortunate that he "commits" like it means something. People were commenting maybe he left because they signed Kienholz, but the reality is they signed Kienholz because they knew he was leaving before we all did. All this said, Devin Brown's tape looks outrageously good so I'm not worried. Losing Ewers and this kid is quite a lot but in this day and age there's no sure thing until the kid steps on the field for you.
Called it the other day.
Doug
I don’t put any thought on a recruit that commits a year ahead of time. Wouldn’t be surprised we lose that wr we got the other day. Nil will cost us him. Probaly lose a couple rbs to the portal after the bowl game.
Doug
Why would Smith decommit? Ohio State has plenty of good quarterbacks in the stable and Hartline has a very impressive track record of developing WRs.
I’m not saying he will. But do t be surprised. He’s the top wr. Lives in south florida. Nil money If I was a betting man I would bet he doesn’t make it to cbus
Doug
muck fichigan
Most of these players will never play for Ohio State even the ones we sign on signing day. The new world of college football is that rosters will be constantly changing and shifting until summer camp. So don’t get too attached to any 1 player.
Buckeye4life
Shockingly predictable!
Try not to suck
Oh my God, so many people freaking out about someone who may/may not pan out and on top of it hadn't even completed his Junior year in high school. On top of it the group claiming he is Nebraska-bound when it would be even more likely he would go to USC. Get a grip people.
OSUAlumInAZ
I'm sure OSU will end up with another top 10 QB.
Kinda tough losing a QB because they help recruit other players to a certain degree. But he left early enough and I'm sure we'll be okay at that position.
NIL has ruined college football period, and no I do not wish a decommit "good luck" I wish them the worst career of all time, I hope they are complete busts who never sniff the league.
Meh. I mean, it’s not great, but there is only on QB on the field at a time. And we aren’t hurting for talent at that position. Go recruit depth and other positions. We will be fin at QB.
I don't think anyone has posted this yet so I will:
Dylan who?
I never get too excited about a recruit until they've arrived on campus and signed up for their classes.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Lot of you posters are embarrassing. Lose the number 1 overall recruit and all of a sudden he’s overrated.
Until they actually play at the college level who knows how good they really are. Obviously he was afraid of the competition from South Dakota so good luck to him.
Rather have a guy who really wants to be a Buckeye. Craig Krenzel was no 5 star but he was a great Buckeye QB.
Why I don't participate in the boom yip yapping. Save it for when the ink dries.
He has Nebraska ties.........good riddance.....don't need anyone that can't keep their word.......
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
Crushing? Seriously...
'72 Buckeye
Who would want to throw the ball to the Ohio State wide receiving group?
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
Any updates on landing him? With Jeremiah Smith committing as the #2 overall recruit in the 2024 class and the beast mode load of WRs coming in this year, have to think he could revisit OSU.