I don't think having Sensabaugh being the 6th man is necessarily a bad thing - there have been notable 6th men all across the NBA - Lou Williams, Manu Ginobili, etc. My issue is more that we're still figuring out what the starting lineup is and it's almost Feb.   

I’m assuming the DVs are from folks who forget that Holtmann wasn’t our first choice and we couldn’t even get Greg McDermott here.

Go get Kelsey at C of C

Not In Tournament

No no Wigmon, I think people would’ve been completely reasonable if Jay Wright missed the tourney his first three years if he were he coach at OSU

I’m gonna argue for the sake of arguing. You’ve got to be like 24 years old. Go and count how many final 4s and sweet 16s we have. Matta was an aberration, not the norm. I get that Matta makes it possible for us to be upper echelon big ten, but long history says not probable to repeat those kind of results.

Rewatching that Akron game, McCord ran the offense well and that int wasn’t necessary his fault. He did tend to float the ball a bit too much and didn’t hit guys in stride. Also looked like he stares down his receivers a bit, so hopefully some of those things are ironed out.

After hearing this argument for the past few weeks, I think it tends to not hold as much water based on previous results:

In 2020 we held a prolific Clemson offense to 28 points. Georgia held Michigan to 11 last year, and then held Alabama to 18. You can find good defensive performances all over past CFPs. I think you saw two of the best offenses in the country go toe-to-toe with OSU and Georgia, but the argument that giving up 40+ in the CFP is the new norm for defenses, doesn't hold water in my book. 

I also caught his defensive coach basically shrugging as if to say “I dunno, no answers here.”

How does this get downvoted?

Count our final fours since the 70s. Then count our elite 8s…

Bsk - you’re about as rational and well informed on osu basketball that I know. I felt the same way, and it pains me to say, but I’m your exact boat

Shook - you’ve always been reasonable around this topic. 

Fuzz this is not the same as football. Matta got Oden and Conley when IU was in the dumps between coaches. His other class was all Ohio guys. Typically if OH HS basketball is good. So is osu. We’ve never recruited out of state well except for one or two players per class

If he loses next 7 I think he’s gone. You have Diebler as a stable interim. 

Happy to say I’m right here and eating crow. The all access was exposing. Although same can be said about half this thread after any win. I don’t particularly care about Holtmann’s job, but rather the programs sustainability. I would argue that half of this thread puts a rubber stamp of approval on how the browns manage coaching instead of letting some semblance of development before a firing. 
 

Let me hang on to something before the DVs come

He has two top 5 national recruiting classes back to back 

Realistically, with the transfer portal if you fire him this year, the team is decimated for at least four years akin to what happened to IU when Kelvin Sampson got canned. As a Holtmann apologist, this game made me eat crow. He doesn’t seem to coach in-game, his defensive coach is completely disengaged and his players don’t listen to him,  but if you fire him mid season you lose the young kids who may not have bought in and the recruiting class goes to shit. I’d rather be middling for two years, get rid of him thoughtfully, than set the program back 4-6 years, and this group will be even more miserable than they already are.

I don’t think there are any excuses about this one. The All Access made this worse. Holtmann wanted to play with pace and his players can’t execute. He had a half time speech about ball and player movement and the first possession second half was a one pass McNeil iso? As a coach, if his players don’t listen to him, then something is wrong. Also, his defensive coach may as well be a cardboard cutout - zero added benefit while we allow 50% shooting to a bottom big ten team. This was an abject failure by all parties. Also in 4 minute timeouts, repeating the same 2 items in different tones and cadences, doesn’t really count as coaching in my book. 

I wish there was more scoop on this -- I feel like we're having little misses here and there that could add up into big time issues down the road. We have one top 100 OL commit this year and a few other 4-stars, but we're a long way from landing the likes of Donovan Jackson and Paris Johnson in consecutive years. 

If I recall correctly, the optics during the COVID debacle is that he and his team did absolutely nothing in terms of problem solving around the pandemic. Meanwhile, every other conference, save for the Pac-12 (IIRC) figured out a way to play sports safely, and proactively solved a complex problem. Regardless if Warren was trying to figure this out for months, the optics were that he basically took a COVID holiday and did nothing but hurt the conference in his first year. Having a press conference with the Wall of Warren behind him also didn't help his situation.

That's awesome that he got two major schools to join, but as others have mentioned, he also missed out on Texas and Oklahoma. 

Explain the Holden comment - every time he’s in the game he doesn’t do much but pick up his dribble at inopportune. Doesn’t seem like he can slash against Big Ten teams the way he could  in the Horizon league.

They were wide open because we doubled Edey. We can’t play Edey straight up With Okpara. He’s 7’4, close to 300 lbs. Okpara is 200 lbs soaking wet. So we either double to prevent high probability 2’s from Edey that will run us out of the building, or trap and hope we can contest 3s that have a lower probability of beating us. There’s no win-win here. It’s pick your poison, and the plan seemed to be to limit the human giant and hope they don’t hit 7 threes

I dunno, this group seems like they’d be pretty mad if a northwestern team came in here and beat us. Probably a lot of words for how bad coach Izzo is.

It’s a shame that getting better at recruiting doesn’t have any correlation to future performance…