Wolf advances.

Jack Coan

Hope he doesn't miss a tackle in the opener because Jim will have him sit if he does.

Last 3 games for Sueing:

8-33 FG (34.8%), 0-6 3P (0.0%), 8-12 FT (66.7%), 12 REB, 0 STEALS, 8 ASSISTS, 9 TURNOVERS, 24 PTS, 92 MINS

The productivity is not there to continue giving him almost 30 minutes a game. He turns the ball over casually with no pressure on him. Doesn't hit the glass, doesn't get to the free throw line, misses shots around the basket. More of his minutes should be going to Gayle, Holden, Etzler and/or Eugene Brown, or really anybody else on the bench. Sueing needs to sit.

Time to move on from Holtmann. This is going to be a long season.

Why does the ball always end up with Zed Key at the 3 point line in the end of game situations?

fouled the wrong guy and took too long to foul

Not sure why Thornton is the game. He has really regressed.

Sensabaugh is 5-15, Thornton is 0-4 and Sueing is 1-6 

Remember when guys would follow their shot in case they missed?

Griesel reminds me of Ron Baker who played for Wichita State.

Tominaga reminds me of Ken Jeong from the Hangover movies.

Must win game.

Back when Miller was coach, the Big 10 was of course a smaller league and it was more importantly, in my opinion, a league that had a lot more talent.. Guys like Joe Barry Carroll, and Kevin McHale, and Randy Bruer, they always had a huge guy or two at Minnesota. You had Isiah Thomas at Indiana, of course Magic Johnson at Michigan State that first year or two.

Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Michigan, Minnesota, etc. all had some great players and excellent teams. It was at the peak of the talent pool in the Midwest. Michigan State with Jud Heathcote, Bobby Knight was at Indiana, Lou Henson was at Illinois, Lute Olsen was at Iowa, Gene Keady at Purdue, etc. Just great coaches.

Like Holtmann's offense, Miller's offense was simplistic, pretty much post up the big man on the low block and play through the low post with his back to the basket, and lean heavily on the defense. Of course, the 3 point shot was not yet in effect, I don't think that started until Gary Williams was here (which really benefitted Dennis Hopson and Jay Burson), and the shot clock wasn't in effect until Miller's last season 1985-1986. And no Big 10 Tournament back in those days. It was a different game.

I think it's tough to compare the two coaches because of the different eras, and rules, but if a comparison is to be made, it's probably in the offenses they run. Holtmann plays a possession-to-possession, "grind it out" type of game, using almost all of the shot clock, not getting into some action quickly. That means if the talent is somewhat equated and our offense struggles to put the ball in the hole, then you run into trouble and the game can go down to the end.

For me, I want them to take good shots, but I'd like to see more fast break, more open 3s, more pressure defense (much like Miller, Holtmann seems to be risk averse). Not saying play that way for 40 minutes, but we need more scoring spurts. And on defense, so far, with what we've seen, we're not capable of playing zone defense, at all, so that hurts us when playing a team with size, which leads to foul trouble. We're not dominate on the glass either. So, there's not much that we have in the way of an edge that gives us an advantage, other than making baskets at a good clip and not turning the ball over.

Just play. Have fun. Enjoy the game. -- Michael Jordan

This is perhaps the most important comment in this entire thread.

I'm trying to figure out why you want to hire a coach who is worse than the one we have and who has already shown he can't do anything in the B1G. At any rate, you can't seem to explain why, so I'm gonna stop trying to figure it out.

I explained it fully in my reply to Wigmon, which I won't duplicate here. He's exceeded expectations at Northwestern. He's a better coach than his record indicates, a solid X's and O's guy, and has earned the respect of every coach and program in the league.

Guys like Pat Kelsey, Dennis Gates, and Jerome Tang are intriguing to me because at least there is potential there.

Dennis Gates was just hired by Missouri last year. Gates' annual salary starts at $2.5 million in 2022-23 and will increase every year up to $3 million in 2027-28. He's not coming here.

Jerome Tang was just hired by Kansas State last year. Tang agreed to a six-year deal worth $14.1 million with the Wildcats. He's not coming here.

Pat Kelsey coached 9 years at Winthrop and he's in his 2nd season with College of Charleston. Not exactly name-brand power 5 schools. If he's your splash hire, so be it. But I'll grant you this, of the 3 that you named, he might be the only one to take the position. From an X's and O's standpoint, I have no idea what his teams run, so I don't know if he's any better than we have now.

Also, according to Wikipedia:  "In 2017, Kelsey was hired as the head coach at Massachusetts, but returned to Winthrop two days after accepting the position, citing personal reasons. Kelsey informed UMass Athletic Director Ryan Bamford of his decision 25 minutes before the scheduled press conference to formally introduce Kelsey to the press and university community." Walking out on that position, in that manner, 25 minutes before the press conference, can't have done Kelsey any favors and it certainly doesn't look good on his resume.

Edit: I also agree with what GoNutz27 wrote below, asking Clark Kellogg and Jimmy Jackson to help with the search. Their input might be helpful.

So I'm assuming you think Collins would get exceptional talent at OSU

I answered that question already by saying I don't know. I'm sure Calipari can provide that "insane talent" that you're requiring. Outside of Calipari, I can think of a couple of names that might bring "insane talent," but those guys already have a good gig elsewhere and so, they are not coming here.

You're the one arguing against Collins because in your opinion he can't get the "insane talent" that you require, so I asked you for a list of candidates that can provide the "insane talent" and the only name you provide is the name of one of our assistant coaches? 

For me, personally, I'd rather promote Diebler than hire Collins because Diebler has shown at what level he can recruit to OSU and I think it is the optimal level that OSU needs.

You went from "insane talent" to "optimal OSU level talent."

If your answer is Jake Diebler, as the "optimal level" recruiter, than you're hiring a guy that has no head coaching experience. None. Not bashing Diebler, but I thought the idea was to get better results on the floor with the talent that we have on hand; talent that he has recruited. If Diebler was the answer, wouldn't we be seeing some of the results on the floor by now? Where's the improvement on the floor that would leave me without a doubt that Diebler was the right man for the job?

Holtmann did not have a better talent level at Butler than Collins has had at Northwestern.

I have no way of determining the validity of this statement. I do know that Northwestern has been the perennial doormat in the Big 10 for decades, however since Collins arrived at Northwestern he has upped their level of play, they execute their offense and they are a tough out regardless of who they play, despite not having much in the way of talent, and their lesser talent level is due to better academics. Strictly from a talent standpoint, they start with one massive strike against them because of academics, so Northwestern starts with a smaller potential talent pool than do other programs, both within the Big 10 and elsewhere.

However, I don't think that was really your point. I think your main point of contention is incapsulated in this sentence:

You think Collins would get insane talent to come to OSU or something?

I have no way of determining this either. Outside of a Calipari, I don't know who would get "insane talent" to come to Ohio State. If that's your goal, then give me your list of (realistic) candidates that will demonstrably provide the "insane talent." 

Chris Collins always has teams that are better than the sum of their parts. Played at Duke, coached at Duke under Krzyzewski before taking the job at Northwestern. His teams have shown the ability to execute and run sets efficiently, even though he doesn't have the talent that other schools have. He's as a good a coach as there is in the Big 10 and has done a great job at Northwestern. No reason not to consider him.

One thought - wish they'd consider putting Martinez on offense.

Yep, defense is not his spot. However, if I had to guess, I'd say they're not going to move him to offense because there's already enough weapons on that side of the ball, which means Martinez is probably headed for the portal after spring ball.

Anyone else remember this play from 2016? That was a great defensive line.

Vonn Bell looked over at Mark Andrews like "Hey man, what's going on?"

On the plus side, he remembers peach baskets and underhand shooting.

He's in the transfer portal. Rumor has it he's headed to State Pen.

Kidding aside, Stroud could end up with the NYJ